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| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Tonylyte(m): 5:35pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
diarra94: show me where the bible said that. Galileo Galilei's life was in danger from the priest an church community because he proposed that the earth orbited the sun. you are actually the one deceiving yourself, you believe in a deity which was forcefully incorporated into your brain which your ancestors existed happily without.Isaiah 40vs22. |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Nobody: 5:38pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
date1816: THE MOON'S ORBIT  Surah 36:39 reads in a word by word translation: "And the moon We predestined/evaluated it (in) sequences/descents until it returned as/like the palm tree's branch/date bunch, the old." (Compare the translations given by Osama Abdallah.) It is claimed: "Moon’s S-shaped orbit around earth is shaped like a branch of a date tree. mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science!" Osama Abdallah carries on by analysing the correct translation of this surah which is the scientific prediction that this surah describes the moon orbiting around the earth not in a circular way, but rather in an S-shaped path, a path that is shaped like an old palm tree’s branch. Then he shows how science confirms this predicted path. The main argument against his statement is in his view that there are date palm branches of different shapes (even straight ones) but which, as he claims, does not invalidate his discovery. Let us first show where we agree: Indeed, modern science confirms that the moon’s elliptic orbit around the earth shows lateral variations. This is mainly due to the fact that the moon’s orbital plane is tilted with regard to the equatorial plane of the earth by about 5.1° and the intersection line of these 2 planes precesses (due to nutation) at a rotation period of 18.6 years. At the same time the equatorial plane of the earth is tilted by about 23.4° versus the ecliptic plain in which the earth orbits the sun, while also performing a slow precession movement (rotation period of 25,800 years). Taken together the epicyclic path of the moon around the earth through space resembles a 3-dimensional spiral comparable to a twisted S. In short: Due to gravitational forces (causing nutation, precession) and the respective tilts of the earth’s and moon’s orbital planes, the path of the moon around the earth does not conform to the naive picture of a plain circle, but rather to the more complex picture of a tilted gyrating ellipse. More detailed descriptions are easily available in the internet, e.g. in the Wikipedia entries on [url=http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon]Moon[/url] and Earth Therefore, two specific claims are made by date1816 which we will carefully examine in the following: Has this "S-shaped" motion of the moon really not been known to human beings before Muhammad (until end of 6th century AD)? Does a correct interpretation of Surah 36:39 really imply the claim of the S-shaped orbit of the moon? It was discovered that even the Babylonians in the 6th century BC possessed already knowledge that the moon changed its speed and its lateral position while orbiting across the sky. By collecting a lot of data about moon and sun in large number tables they could even predict solar eclipses. MUL.APIN – This Babylonian compendium of sun, moon, planet, and star observations (whose earliest copy is dated to 686 BC, but is assumed to date from a time earlier than 1000 BC) contains a lot of information on "which stars are rising and which contain the full moon", on solstices and equinoxes, and was able to judge the "disparity of the lunar and solar cycles". See also the text in Babylonian Astronomy According to this article with several links, the Babylonian text "arranges stars in 'strings' that lie along declination circles and thus measure right-ascensions ... There are dozens of cuneiform Mesopotamian texts with real observations of eclipses, mainly from Babylonia." So the Babylonians knew about the elliptic shape and the declination of the orbit of the moon and stars. The more interested reader is referred to the published translation of the most known astronomical tablets by Otto Neugebauer "Astronomical Cuneiform Texts". It is especially interesting to note that these texts have later been used and conserved by Islamic astronomers, too. However, a first consistent mathematical theory (and not just collections of data) on the moon’s orbit was developed by the Greek astronomer Hipparchus (ca. 190 – 120 BC) implying a precession movement of the moon around the earth which was very close to our present scientific knowledge, e.g. see Hipparchus Ptolemy of Alexandria (Egypt, ca. 83-161 AD) was building on this knowledge and refining the theory in his Almagest (al-kitabu-l-mijisti, i.e. "The Great Book"  which was translated and conserved over hundreds of years by the Arabs. While Ptolemy still believed in a geocentric model of the solar system, he used several epicyclic movements to explain the non-circular path of the moon, making correct predictions. See PtolemyIt is therefore clear that the precession of the moon in his movement around the earth had already been known for hundreds, if not thousands, of years before Muhammad, and Muhammad would only have had to listen to a conversation of astronomers in his time to know about it. By the way: this short essay also shows that the video which is for download on Osama Abdallah’s website "The universe is full of paths and orbits" which refers to Surah 51:7 "by the sky full of paths and orbits" falls short of being a proof of the revelatory nature of the Qur’an either. That the celestial bodies move in paths and orbits was known long before and would be obvious even if you believe in a geocentric model of the universe. Actually the text of Surah 36:39 adds several more question marks to the alleged miracle. Taking Surah 36:37-40 at face value, you see that the focus is on daylight and the darkness of night being a sign to us human beings. In verse 39 the focus seems to be on the phases of the moon which certainly increase from new moon to full moon and return to the thin sickle shape. Imagine an Arabic desert night with the moon just shaped like a thin sickle a few days about new moon. A person – standing next to an old dry palm tree – might easily manage to take a position in which a curved date palm branch exactly covers the thin sickle of the moon which exhibits the same curved shape as the branch of the palm. So this provides a very plausible reading of the text comparing the weak moon phases to the curved thin shape of dry branches of a palm tree. There is on the other hand no clear indication that this verse speaks about the space path of the moon. On the contrary, if one takes these verses to describe the path of sun and moon, one could ask why the Quran didn’t mention in verse 40 that the path of the moon can approach the sun during a sun eclipse which would pose another problem to the interpretation of Osama Abdallah. So the interpretation with regard to the scientific miracle of the S-shaped path of the moon remains rather ambiguous and needs to be read into the text (eisegesis) rather than being derived from the text (proper exegesis). Additionally, it needs to be mentioned that it is, of course, very vague to claim that the shape of an old date palm branch needs to be interpreted as an S-shaped space path of the moon, especially if this comparison is claimed to contain new scientific knowledge which could not possibly be known in the time of Muhammad. In summary, we see that the precession movement of the moon (which could be regarded as somewhat S-shaped) was already known hundreds of years before Muhammad, and second, that the verse is written far too vague so that the "miracle" of the date palm shaped path of the moon has to be read into the text and doesn’t correspond well with the face value meaning of the verse. Credit not mine |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Infomizer(m): 5:48pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
Unexplainable does not imply the supernatural. Rainbows were once supernatural...Nuff said! |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by tomiobj(m): 5:59pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
#story for the gods |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Nobody: 6:37pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
diarra94: show me where the bible said that. Galileo Galilei's life was in danger from the priest an church community because he proposed that the earth orbited the sun. you are actually the one deceiving yourself, you believe in a deity which was forcefully incorporated into your brain which your ancestors existed happily without. Actually wrong. 1.Gallleo did not originally propose the earth orbited the sun....it was Nicholas Copernicus and prior to him several other scientists who made the original proposition. Even then his theory was not fully correct....and was eventually cleared up by a later scientist. 2.Gallileo was opposed by the Church, and by the Scientists of the day on scientific grounds....the prevailing scientific paradigm on the cosmos was derived from Aristotle....and the theory that the earth went round the sun was considered a flawed and un-proven theory. 3.Gallileo got into trouble because he then went on to attempt to interpret certain Biblical verses in the light of his discovery...which was frowned upon by the Church....and also because he inadvertedly insulted the then Pope in one of his books. 4.Gallileo was punished....with comfortable house arrest....and was not sent to a dungeon....and died in his house. 1 Like |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by einsteino(m): 7:09pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
Op na this your post wey make PEJ shout "chai! Diaris God o!" |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Flexysweet(m): 7:24pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
CocoaOla: when will the african race go to the moon.when we start using our heads  |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by uzoexcel(m): 7:58pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
 lost causeRoyalprestidge: 1 Like |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by uzoexcel(m): 7:59pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
comfortable house arrest  ?wat that mean..wats difference btw that and been placed in a zoo?bushdoc9919: 1 Like |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by uzoexcel(m): 8:07pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
watch transformers:dark of the moon  ugoezeik: can someone pls summarisation dis to me? because d Onyibo About puzzle n moon is too much to read. Pls if anyone can summarise it for me i dnt mind sending u card of 1500 1 Like |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by uzoexcel(m): 8:08pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
we can not...first we need constant power to build rockets...i think thats in vision 2050  CocoaOla: when will the african race go to the moon 1 Like |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by uzoexcel(m): 8:08pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
we can use religion to cure it #trolling Chibokgame: The moon's theory will continue to be a puzzle cos the moon was not made by human hands. 1 Like |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by uzoexcel(m): 8:08pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
well on point!!!! Reiyvinn: 1 Like |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by uzoexcel(m): 8:13pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
this is just hopeless..lemme go to the literature thread and chill Originalsly: I believe man never went to tbe moon...was a hoax. Saw a documentary that used mainly unedited Nasa footage to question the landing. e.g...they showed what we all saw...the planting of the US flag on the moon...then they showed the unedited video in which the flag was flopping. How can the flag be flopping when there is no wind on the moon? Besides that...it took 4 years from the announcement to put man on the moon with 1960's analog technology but yet in 2008 with wayyyy more advanced digital technology Bush announced that Nasa would begin working to put man on the moon by 2020.I guezss yet another puzzle. 2 Likes
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| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by uzoexcel(m): 8:23pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? Does a sphere have ends, and how can you grab the ends of a sphere? Only a flat disc or square could be grabbed and shaken in this way. 2. Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? If the author of the bible thought of a globe earth then the last question in job 38: 44 should of read "Who stretched a measuring line around it?" Revelation 7:1 1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV) Isaiah 11:12 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV) Jeezuzpick: 1 Like |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by firestar(f): 8:34pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
Well, well, well...! Something to chew on for... forever? 2 theories shot and the best to come with is the apparent ease to explain the moon's nonexistence?  Weird.Heh, and it's seems to be hollow? Hollow, as in empty? Smh. What was in it? The mythical "£$%&%$?... Man always stands to be corrected. Universal Intelligence isn't meant for mortals. |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Ishilove: 8:37pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
bushdoc9919:Sauce please?  I've been reading so many versions of Galileo's 'heroics' that I don't even know which to believe... |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Smooyis(m): 9:21pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
LordReed:Source pls? |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Smooyis(m): 9:23pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
maclatunji:Can u prove this? source,? |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Missmossy(f): 9:29pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
Interesting discoveries  |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by LordReed(m): 9:55pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by diarra94(m): 10:44pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
bushdoc9919:I never said Galileo was the first to propose the earth's orbit around the sun. but he developed the first telescope and therefore studied the night sky before he supported heliocentrism. the church back then only stood in favor of geocentrism or the tychonic system and therefore Galileo's assertions were disposed. this is a quote from Wikipedia " The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was false and contrary to scripture, placing works advocating the Copernican system on the index of banned books and forbidding Galileo from advocating heliocentrism". this led Galileo to write one of his books titled "Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems" in which he tried to defend his stance. Galileo was sentenced of heresy as this quote from history.com shows " This time, Galileo's technical argument didn't win the day. On June 22, 1633, the Church handed down the following order: Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei, of Florence, aged seventy years, were denounced in 1615, to this Holy Office, for holding as true a false doctrine taught by many, namely, that the sun is immovable in the center of the world, and that the earth moves, and also with a diurnal motion; also, for having pupils whom you instructed in the same opinions; also, for answering the objections which were continually produced from the Holy Scriptures, by glozing the said Scriptures according to your own meaning; and whereas thereupon was produced the copy of a writing, in form of a letter professedly written by you to a person formerly your pupil, in which, following the hypothesis of Copernicus, you include several propositions contrary to the true sense and authority of the Holy Scriptures; therefore (this Holy Tribunal being desirous of providing against the disorder and mischief which were thence proceeding and increasing to the detriment of the Holy Faith) by the desire of his Holiness and the Most Eminent Lords, Cardinals of this supreme and universal Inquisition, the two propositions of the stability of the sun, and the motion of the earth, were qualified by the Theological Qualifiers as follows: 1. The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures. 2. The proposition that the earth is not the center of the world, nor immovable, but that it moves, and also with a diurnal action, is also absurd, philosophically false, and, theologically considered, at least erroneous in faith. Therefore . . . , invoking the most holy name of our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Most Glorious Mother Mary, We pronounce this Our final sentence: We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo . . . have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world; also, that an opinion can be held and supported as probable, after it has been declared and finally decreed contrary to the Holy Scripture, and, consequently, that you have incurred all the censures and penalties enjoined and promulgated in the sacred canons and other general and particular constituents against delinquents of this description. From which it is Our pleasure that you be absolved, provided that with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith, in Our presence, you abjure, curse, and detest, the said error and heresies, and every other error and heresy contrary to the Catholic and Apostolic Church of Rome. Along with the order came the following penalty: "We order that by a public edict the book of Dialogues of Galileo Galilei be prohibited, and We condemn thee to the prison of this Holy Office during Our will and pleasure; and as a salutary penance We enjoin on thee that for the space of three years thou shalt recite once a week the Seven Penitential Psalms." Galileo agreed not to teach the heresy anymore and spent the rest of his life under house arrest. It took more than 300 years for the Church to admit that Galileo was right and to clear his name of heresy." lastly , I never said he was given a cruel trial or prison sentence. |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by maclatunji: 11:49pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
Smooyis: Can u prove this? source,? Here http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question18.html |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Nobody: 12:31am On Aug 19, 2014 |
Ishilove: Various historians of science....but R.Stark's For the Glory of God is a good book that discuses Gallileo among other controversies |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by Nobody: 12:35am On Aug 19, 2014 |
uzoexcel: comfortable house arrest While awful....it certainly wasn't some dark dungeon....and he was allowed to receive visitors...and did not stay in one place. I most certainly do not condone what happened to Gallileo...but it is flawed to assume he was opposing some 'flat earth theory of the Church'....the problem was that heliocentrism ran counter to the accepted Aristotelian science of the time....science which was accepted by the church. |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by snthesis(m): 12:53am On Aug 19, 2014 |
LordReed: u need to think deeper...... ........the clues were provided in the article ..............set ur mind free lemme guide u abit 1. the materials tested from the moon surface were much older than any thing found on earth  : a more ancient civilization2. the moon reverberates when hit by a substance- this shouldnt be d case : hollow structure cloaked to look solid3. mist reported to be released from the moon : periodic flushing of waste from a vessel4. materials property collected do not rust : vessel made from exotic materials, designed eva wondered y Man with technological advancement, has satellites/space stations hovering above the earth, if u do, now multiplicate that thought process by a million fold but then i wouldnt expect u to think in the abstract..... u aint a designer, I thank God for wisdom |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by snthesis(m): 1:15am On Aug 19, 2014 |
uzoexcel: Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?u see this is what u get wen u read/interpret a text incorrectly- u make a nyansh out of yaself. lemme clarify the "four corners of the earth" once and for all- 4 corners isnt referring to a mathematically description of a shape function, it is geographical description(North, East, South, and West - dude check all the maps in the world, it is always boldly depicted ) pls think!!!! why do you think the bible further clarifies by making mentions of the major wind direction (Ezekiel 37:9; Jeremiah 49:36; Revelation 7:1;.....) 2 Likes
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| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by diarra94(m): 4:33am On Aug 19, 2014 |
[quote author=Royalprestidge][/quote]if god relates to them accordingly then why did you drop your ancestral ways for Christianity. |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by LordReed(m): 8:19am On Aug 19, 2014 |
snthesis: You are the one who needs to broaden your mind, away from fiction. All those things you wrote have been explained satisfactorily. 1. The geological processes on earth are far more active than that on the moon so rock formation will be affected. http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/April04/lunarAnorthosites.html 2. As already mentioned there are active geological processes going on the moon IE there are moon quakes. The measurements of the seismic activity on the moon has brought about better understanding of the geological layers. http://news.discovery.com/space/history-of-space/bunnies-on-moon-7-lunar-myths-debunked-1407261.htm 3. It has been revealed by satellites that there is water on the moon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_water 4. The process of apparent rust protection is well understood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pillar_of_Delhi Now after reading the links I expect your head to come out of whatever fiction it's been lodged in. |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by LordReed(m): 8:35am On Aug 19, 2014 |
@snthesis Your excitement about Earth's moon is funny. Did you know that Jupiter has 50 moons? While Saturn has 53? Even our next door neighbour Mars has 2. Put those into perspective. |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by dammie3(m): 9:28am On Aug 19, 2014 |
Boring |
| Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by zionsamuel: 9:49am On Aug 19, 2014 |
THIS PROOFS THE EXISTENCE OF SOMEONE CALLED.....GOD! |
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