dolphpaul: im an Engineer A COREN member by the way.Its sad hearing a learned man and leader of many talking this way.Is it the fault of the owner or as a result of using sub standard materials.How many so civil Engineers are qualified to be called structural Engineers.The fault is partially the house owner but fully the supervising Engineer.just all in the name of making money.A good Engineer is after a good name than money.
What of instances a house gets burnt due to power surge and every bodi says its from PHCN.No its from the substandard material.Every cable has its withstanding max voltage.
To me sorry to say,Coren is just a monetary body and not supervisory.

mployer:
Kill building owner and free quack engineers that did the construction

mployer:
Kill building owner and free quack engineers that did the construction

duni04:
You don't just make draconian laws like that. What if there's a really heavy thunderstorm and a building collapses?
The best form of regulation against building collapse is enforcing strict adherance to building codes, and increasing the capacity of regulatory agencies to properly investigate building collapses so when a building collapses, we know exactly why it collapsed, and not just blindly critizing people.

dolphpaul: im an Engineer A COREN member by the way.Its sad hearing a learned man and leader of many talking this way.Is it the fault of the owner or as a result of using sub standard materials.How many so civil Engineers are qualified to be called structural Engineers.The fault is partially the house owner but fully the supervising Engineer.just all in the name of making money.A good Engineer is after a good name than money.
What of instances a house gets burnt due to power surge and every bodi says its from PHCN.No its from the substandard material.Every cable has its withstanding max voltage.
To me sorry to say,Coren is just a monetary body and not supervisory.

numericalguy:


Guy! cool down, your blood too dey hot

Any building construction should involve qualified professional like Electrical engineers, Builders, Architects, Surveyors, Mechanical engineers and Civil engineers. Builders alone cannot handle everything.
I have worked in construction sites with all the above guys and all I can say is that we are a team.

Okijajuju1:


This comment is what you get when your solution to a problem is based more on sentiments than on sound reasoning.

mployer:
Kill building owner and free quack engineers that did the construction

Whizpeter: COREN nko.. COREN ni..
How many COREN members do you see in construction sites nowadays??
Their normal lifestyle every weekday z.. Wake up in an air-conditioned house, drive in an air-conditioned car, sign cheques in an air-conditioned office, withdraw whooping sums of money at an air-conditioned bank, spend time with some cheap harlots in an air-conditioned hotel room and then return at night to their air-conditioned houses...
While they are enjoying themselves, their so Site Engineers are left to do all the work at the site.. At the end of the month, they receive a paltry sum of money as salary...
Now when that building collapses due to the mistake of the structural engineer who lacked supervision from his Oga At The Top, the COREN member would scream "Kill the Owner"
At times sef, the big Ogas pass the blame for the collapsed building on the poor site engineers..
I as a Civil Engineering Student decided a long time ago that I would have nothing to do with COREN... That council z all about politics...
Oh Nigeria, My dear country, I weep for thee...

CzarChris: Last time I checked, a judge doesn't just sentence someone without a hearing, at least the owner would produce documents of the building includiing the structural design/plan endorsed with a COREN stamp by an authorised member/registered engineer and the plan would scrutinized if the BS codes where adhered to.
On being draconian, desperate times demand desperate measures, my thoughts though.

Three7Ty9:

Please tell them oh bros.
BTW: you've got a pm sir.

duni04:
Oh i'm afraid that's not the case in Nigeria. Lets not all forget that obnoxious Anti kidnapping law in Anambra state where buildings housing kidnappers are pulled down, even without any court process. Somone just reads on the news that kidnappers stayed in a particular building and the next thing they do is pull the building down. With the way things work in Nigeria, people will just be killed immediately their buildings collapse without any investigation whatsoever.
Lets allow the law take its course. If a building owner is found guilty of using substandard building materials or not consulting adequately before erecting a building (after proper investigations have been carried out) he should be charged to court with involuntary manslaughter if anyone dies in the building collapse, or reckless negligence if there are no fatalities. Very simple. Lets implement the extant laws first instead of grandstanding and playing around with death sentencing.

honeric01:

Singapore, Japan, China e.t.c, including some states in the US use capital punishment and it's working for them. so what's with you and the 'nigerian ways' ?

oyb: there are multiple possible points of failure finding the root cause of building collapse

design [the possibility that the building may not even have been designed by an engineer in the first place]. . very often, an architect or draftsman may just copy paste some old drawings, or use his experience. during approval, once the right people are settled, all the necessary stamps from coren registered engineers and building agencies are added. design has passed muster

specification [ the design engineer may have put the wrong spec of materials required for building structure] improper mix of concrete, improper schedule of pipe, etc

owner the owner may not be willing to spend Bleep millions on a building, and will then engage someone who can do it for less than the estimates provided by professionals. this someone may cut corners that should not be cut.the baba suwe builder who hs been building houses for 20 years [ understands the how but not the why]

contractor [ a contractor may be paid in full , may be provided with all the right designs documentation , etc, but because of greed and the desire for 300% ptofit, will choose to skimp on materials. it may even be worse, while the oga of the construction company intends to do the right thing, his boys cut corners behind his back , putting 20cubic meters of gravel where 15 cubic were recommended]

dubious materials retailers [one of the biggest banes of the construction industry. the people who will sell you substandard materials, cleverly disguised as the original thing. if you are not experienced or in contact with very honest sellers, you can quickly get into trouble. it is a very real problem that i have been a victim of in the past. i specified a cable sized 95mm as a replacement. this cable came to over 1 million naira. the contractor installed it , we signed off. two months later, the cable started overheating [signs of cable being undersized'] i went over my calculations , checked everywhere - i could not understand what the issue was. eventually we replaced the cable with an even larger size. a different contractor did the replacement. during the replacement, i was called aside and shown that teh cable was actually 70mmsq. someone has scraped off the size and stamped 95mm on the cable. no way of knowing if it was the original contractor, his supplier, or the two of them conniving]

crooked professionals [yes you can engage professionals to design, monitor and supervise your project. the sad thing is that they may be your typical nigerians, who are bent on ripping you off for every kobo. they make up issues for additional money , refuse to sign off on contractors work unless they are settled. once a supervising engineer is compromised, your project is in trouble, because there is no one to put the contractor in check. in my earlier days when i visited sites harassing contractors and challenging them on defects, it was 90% the same reaction - they would hastily pull me aside and make an offering - because for them, all the noise was a demand for settlement.

greedy government supervisors. these government agencies are wholly interested in one thing only - money and settlement. no better than frsc who can give driving licenses to blind men or vio that will certify trucks that should be condemned as road worthy. and a lot of these chest thumping coren throwing around 'professionals' are the worst - the masters of copying and pasting without any clear understanding of the principles

Omooba77: As part of moves to sanitise the building and construction industries to minimise building collapse and shoddy construction jobs, the Council for the Regulation of Engineering in Nigeria, COREN, has stressed the urgency for a law to make owners of buildings that collapse as a result of using quacks or cheap materials and kill people to be visited with capital punishment.President of the institution, Kashim Ali, likened the situation to that of medical doctors who were charged with murder if, as a result of carelessness or quackery, they cause the death of their patients.He spoke yesterday at a news briefing to herald the 23rd Engineering Assembly scheduled for August 19 and 20 in Abuja as part of COREN’s efforts to update members’ knowledge, share ideas on emerging issues in engineering and to network.Its theme is “Commercialising Engineering: An Imperative for National Development.”Noting that he was underscoring the need for a major deterrent such as death penalty for building collapse in Nigeria because they were thoroughly embarrassed by the incidence, Ali said: “We have advocated that anybody who builds a house or structure that collapses and kills people should be killed.So, if that law is there, people who are not trained will not venture into it. If somebody who is a doctor commits quackery and kills somebody, they will charge him or her for murder, but not in the case of collapsed buildings; nobody is charged.“Often, because people who have these structures always have a way around the situation, nobody deals with them. That is why we are urging the National Assembly to go a step further.”He also lamented that although COREN had been using the police to deal with the incidence of building collapse in the past, it had not had the desired impact because “we found that the people who they charged to court were only the poor people. It’s that mason who calls himself an engineer that was being taken to court. The real person who got a million naira project would not go to court.”He explained that it was to find a more capable institution to handle the situation that his organisation decided to partner with the Independent Corrupt Practices and Other Related Offence Commission, ICPC.According to Ali, their apparent fixation with quackery was because it was the greatest challenge to the engineering profession.Still in pursuance of an industry free of irregularities, COREN has ordered all registrable firms to register with it, saying it was now compulsory and any defaulter would be handed over to the ICPC.“COREN recently signed an MoU with the Independent Corrupt Practices and Other Related Offence Commission, ICPC, to prosecute people who commit infraction of COREN Act and are not on the register.“Directly connected to the above is the recent order of Council that Registry must commence the licensing of engineering firms to practise in Nigeria.“By this, it is now compulsory for the following categories of engineering firms to procure COREN licence to practice: Engineering consulting firms; engineering construction firms; engineering manufacturing/production firms; engineering maintenance and service providers; engineering inspection, testing and laboratory service firms; and vendors of engineering machineries, equipment, plants and materials, etc”, Ali said.



http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/coren-wants-death-sentence-for-owners-of-collapsed-buildings/186477/

CzarChris: Dude as an ardent follower/liker of your comments here on nl, all I can say is I'm disappointed with this your comment. So asking someone to use professionals to do his job is being sentimental abi? I'm sentimental then agreed.

J12: Crude and barbaric

GlorifiedTunde: Death sentence? They kind of deserve it sha.

I also want death sentence for rapists

+ boko haram
+ Ebola victims who ran away
+ pokithiefcians
+ ...

CzarChris: yeah, I got your pm, but you failed to mention your discipline in engineering and experience level.

barcanista: guy na Airconditioner be the problem ni?

Okijajuju1:


This comment is what you get when your solution to a problem is based more on sentiments than on sound reasoning.

CzarChris: I'm really surprised at the comments above, its funny how most people reason.
Look at it this way you have a a loved one who happens to be killed in a collapsed building, all because the landlord decided to cut corners and use an unqualified individual to build his house and most of these buildings don't even have a structural design plan, the nature of the soil in that area is not put into consideration and the quack engineer(mason in most cases) use his experience in area A to build in area B.
My people say when you see the dead body of an unrelated person it looks like a log of wood, just wait till it happens to you then I'll see if you'll even wait for a court judgment before you strangle both the landlord and the quack 'engineer'.
As a professional, I support this law if ever its passed.
Also remember that it's usually mass slaughter when a building collapse.

NB: @Whizpeter, that COREN official that you say moves from airconditioned this to that was once a site engineer, he has paid his dues and is now riping the benefits. Don't hate son, only pray you'll reach his level or even exceed it. Then you can boast all you want.

Missmossy:
Rubbish! Read properly next time before you spill trash. Do you have to quote me? I wonder how what i said itches your body,nonsense!