Ihuomadinihu:
Hol'up! What is so special and unique about Bantu genetics? I don't see what qualifies Bantu to be a race,otherwise Igbo would have been a race a long time ago!

bantu genetics gave bantus the edge to conquer 1/2 of Africa and bring civilization almost everywhere in Africa.Bantu genetics produced nelson mandela,king shaka,queen nzinga,lumumba,eusebia,samuel etoo,great Zimbabwe,the Kongo kingdom,kimpa vita,samora machel,agostinho neto,kimathi,etc........Bantu genetics is the reason why 8 out of 10 best countries in black Africa are bantus.Comparing igbos to bantus is like comparing a mouse to an elephant.

alanmwene:

bantu genetics gave bantus the edge to conquer 1/2 of Africa and bring civilization almost everywhere in Africa.Bantu genetics produced nelson mandela,king shaka,queen nzinga,lumumba,eusebia,samuel etoo,great Zimbabwe,the Kongo kingdom,kimpa vita,samora machel,agostinho neto,kimathi,etc........Bantu genetics is the reason why 8 out of 10 best countries in black Africa are bantus.Comparing igbos to bantus is like comparing a mouse to an elephant.

Each group in Africa has produced great men and women. If you were White,you would be called a racist with your illogical and stupid line of thought.
What are the composites of a bantu genetics? How does the Bantu genetics differ from the genetics of other Africans? That is my question not how many notable people you have produced. Once again, Bantu is not an ethnicity and Igbo ethnic group alone can take down the whole Bantu people if you want us to toll that path.
You should sit down and study West Africa before throwing up these useless comparisons!

LOL. Now I see what this claim of Bantu 'distinctness' is about: a feeling of superiority. Interesting.

tpiar:



Are you saying nowhere outside west africa worships deities?

Don't mind the Bantu scamp. Bantus have gods,they venerate their ancestors,they believe in Sky beings, Spirits and Monsters. These examples run through the whole of Africa in different forms,styles and names. He is just being ignorant and foollish.

Unfortunately,i don't see any need for the superiority assertions. I thought he had a valid reason for creating a seperate Bantu race and identity. Whatever Bantus have produced, Igbos alone have surpassed you over and over again not to talk of West Africa put together.

Where did you get your list of best countries in Africa? Lmao!

Ihuomadinihu:
Unfortunately,i don't see any need for the superiority assertions. I thought he had a valid reason for creating a seperate Bantu race and identity. Whatever Bantus have produced, Igbos alone have surpassed you over and over again not to talk of West Africa put together.

are you seriously going to compare igbos to bantus?You are a serious joke!
The whole igboland cant even be compared to the tiniest bantu country (equatorial guinea) in terms of infrastructure and you are here talking about igbos.Igbos cant even be compared to hausas or ashantis and you are here wanting to compare yourselves to people who own half of Africa?The day igbos will produce something like the kongo kingdom that spans more than 4 countries(drcongo,angola,congo-brazzaville,gabon,south east of cameroun) will be the day you can talk.Until then,go back to your Igbo shithole.

alanmwene:

are you seriously going to compare igbos to bantus?You are a serious joke!
The whole igboland cant even be compared to the tiniest bantu country (equatorial guinea) in terms of infrastructure and you are here talking about igbos.Igbos cant even be compared to hausas or ashantis and you are here wanting to compare yourselves to people who own half of Africa?The day igbos will produce something like the kongo kingdom that spans more than 4 countries(drcongo,angola,congo-brazzaville,gabon,south east of cameroun) will be the day you can talk.Until then,go back to your Igbo shithole.

Lol,i will leave at the foot of your own stupiidity,ignorance and wrong perception of superiority.
It baffles me that you don't know the difference between Language groups(Bantu,Igbo,yoruba), Countries(Gabon,Nigeria)
Ethnic groups(Igbo,Yoruba, Kikuyi).
Why would a reasonable person compare Guinea with Hausa or Igbo. If you must compare,then pick two related items!
These are just silly jusxatapositions and comparisons, you keep talking about Congo kingdoms. I would assume you have not heard of West African Kingdoms. When you talk about Pan Africans like Mandela,i will assume you haven't heard about his West African contempories.
When you mention Queen Nzinga,i will assume you are ignorant of Dahomney warriors or even Queen Amina etc.
These countries like Equ. Guinea are not only inhabited by Bantus,there are natives like Igbo and other West African groups in it. Moreover, Bantus in South Africa and Equ. Guinea are incapable of ushering in any form of development. The White settlers are to be apperciated for any development you see in these countries.
You can keep living in the 17th century but this is 2015 and Nigerians and Igbos who have been compared to extremely intelligent people like the Jews are way above you all

Ihuomadinihu:

Lol,i will leave at the foot of your own stupiidity,ignorance and wrong perception of superiority.
It baffles me that you don't know the difference between Language groups(Bantu,Igbo,yoruba), Countries(Gabon,Nigeria)
Ethnic groups(Igbo,Yoruba, Kikuyi).
Why would a reasonable person compare Guinea with Hausa or Igbo. If you must compare,then pick two related items!
These are just silly jusxatapositions and comparisons, you keep talking about Congo kingdoms. I would assume you have not heard of West African Kingdoms. When you talk about Pan Africans like Mandela,i will assume you haven't heard about his West African contempories.
When you mention Queen Nzinga,i will assume you are ignorant of Dahomney warriors or even Queen Amina etc.
These countries like Equ. Guinea are not only inhabited by Bantus,there are natives like Igbo and other West African groups in it. Moreover, Bantus in South Africa and Equ. Guinea are incapable of ushering in any form of development. The White settlers are to be apperciated for any development you see in these countries.
You can keep living in the 17th century but this is 015 and Nigerians and Igbos who have been compared to extremely intelligent people like the Jews are way above you all

You are so wrong there. Guinea is one of the African countries that has civilisation before the whites came. You do not want to compare at all

Let's not lose sight of the topic here.


A characteristic common to most Niger–Congo languages is the use of a noun class system.[2] The most widely spoken Niger–Congo languages by number of native speakers are Yoruba, Igbo, Fula, Shona and Zulu. The most widely spoken by total number of speakers is Swahili.[1] Some scholars have doubted whether Niger–Congo is a valid linguistically genetic unit or rather a typological grouping, but most specialists today consider it to be a valid family, although there is no consensus on the subclassification.

Niger–Congo languages have a clear preference for open syllables of the type CV (Consonant Vowel). The typical word structure of Proto-Niger–Congo is thought to have been CVCV, a structure still attested in, for example, Bantu, Mande and Ijoid – in many other branches this structure has been reduced through phonological change. Verbs are composed of a root followed by one or more extensional suffixes. Nouns consist of a root originally preceded by a noun class prefix of (C)V- shape which is often eroded by phonological change.

Consonants Edit
Reconstructions of the consonant set of several branches of Niger–Congo (Stewart for proto-Volta–Congo, Mukarovsky for his proto-West-Nigritic, roughly corresponding to Atlantic–Congo) have posited independently a regular phonological contrast between two classes of consonants. Pending more clarity as to the precise nature of this contrast it is commonly characterized as a contrast between 'fortis' and 'lenis' consonants. Five places of articulation are postulated for the consonant inventory of proto-Niger–Congo: labial, alveolar, palatal, velar, and labial-velar.

Vowels Edit
Many Niger–Congo languages' vowel harmony is based on the [ATR] (advanced tongue root) feature. In this type of vowel harmony, the position of the root of the tongue in regards to backness is the phonetic basis for the distinction between two harmonizing sets of vowels. In its fullest form, this type involves two classes, each of five vowels:
(Copied from wiki)

GENETICS


Reference mrerial;
Winters C. Origin of the Niger-Congo Speakers. WebmedCentral GENETICS 2012;3(3):WMC003149
doi: 10.9754/journal.wmc.2012.003149


The Niger-Congo (NC) Superfamily of languages is the largest family of languages spoken in Africa. Researchers have assumed that the NC speakers originated in West Africa in the Inland Niger Delta. The research indicates that the NC speakers originated in the Saharan Highlands 12kya and belonged to the Ounanian culture. The NC population cultivated millet from Saharan Africa to South India. Phylogenetically the NC mtDNA haplogroups include L1,L2,L3, U5, L3(M,N). The y-Chromosome haplotypes associated with the NC population were A,B, E1b1a, E1b1b, E2, E3a and R1. A major finding was that the Atlantic, Mande and Dravidian languages of India, form a new NC Subfamily we can designate Indo-African.

https://www.webmedcentral.com/article_view/3149


Cc: Alanmwene

Enjoying topic.

Am an armchair enthusiast of genetics and history.

Has anyone tried to link common phenotypes amongst igbos to any bantu group? e.g many full blooded tutsis share common phenotypes with some ethiopian highlander types suggesting common origin.

Also is there similarity styles in traditional(pre colonial) architecture?

Ihuomadinihu:


You can keep living in the 17th century but this is 2015 and Nigerians and Igbos who have been compared to extremely intelligent people like the Jews are way above you all

You need a good bath right now my dear Einstein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLUE45C6vOo

Maybe you should use your big brains to clean up this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX-cP9jWFag
and live like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI6L5YatANM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R47hnU9FpNg

Ah, the 'select the worst image of X I can find, and compare it with the best image of Y I can find' fallacious type of argument.

All I had to do was type in 'shanty town South Africa', or 'slums Angola' or ' slums Congo' in Google, then hit on images to find places as bad as, or even worse than the Nigerian videos up there. You are smarter than this, my friend.

Radoillo:
Ah, the 'select the worst image of X I can find, and compare it with the best image of Y I can find' fallacious type of argument.

All I had to do was type in 'shanty town South Africa', or 'slums Angola' or ' slums Congo' in Google, then hit on images to find places as bad as, or even worse than the Nigerian videos up there. You are smarter than this, my friend.

Who told you he is smart?
He/She/It behind that username is as stupid as fck....
Bantu isn't even an ethnic group, it is a language group. Someone like Wangari Maathai, Paul Kagame and Jacob Zuma are nothing alike, yet, they are all Bantu language speakers. (speakers of a lost West African language offshoot, looooool)
Stupied will always be stupied.

It is like comparing German and Bengali people and saying , they belong to the Indo-European tribe.....

scholes0:


Who told you he is smart?
He/She/It behind that username is as stupid as fck....
Bantu isn't even an ethnic group, it is a language group. Someone like Wangari Maathai, Paul Kagame and Jacob Zuma are nothing alike, yet, they are all Bantu language speakers. (speakers of a lost West African language offshoot, looooool)
Stupied will always be stupied.

It is like comparing German and Bengali people and saying , they belong to the Indo-European tribe.....

LOL. I tire, bro. I was actually only patronizing him.

scholes0:

Who told you he is smart?
He/She/It behind that username is as stupid as fck....
Bantu isn't even an ethnic group, it is a language group. Someone like Wangari Maathai, Paul Kagame and Jacob Zuma are nothing alike, yet, they are all Bantu language speakers. (speakers of a lost West African language offshoot, looooool)
Stupied will always be stupied.
It is like comparing German and Bengali people and saying , they belong to the Indo-European tribe.....

before spewing craps,make sure you get your facts right!
An slowpoke lke you cant know that kagame is culturally bantu but biologically Nilotic(Tutsi).Since when have tutsis become bantus?As for bantus being a mere linguistical grouping,please go through the link below,and provided your monkey brain can make sense of anything in there,tell us what is said.
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2014/02/18/002808.full.pdf

Radoillo:


LOL. I tire, bro. I was actually only patronizing him.

the tivs or tikars are probably their parent language.

scholes0:




the tivs or tikars are probably their parent language.

Their languages do show a strong relationship to Tiv, as well as other languages spoken from the Middle Benue area and down the Cross River. These languages spoken along the eastern frontier of Nigeria form a common language group with the Bantu, i.e., the East Benue-Congo group, which itself is a branch of the larger Niger-Congo group.

Better-informed Bantu people already know this.

Radoillo:

LOL. I tire, bro. I was actually only patronizing him.

Don't worry for me! Dem people below need you more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0BgtG07hE

alanmwene:

Don't worry for me! Dem people below need you more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0BgtG07hE

I started typing something about the people who carried out the most horrifying genocide since the Holocaust (Rwandan Hutus), still hunt down and ritually kill and eat their Pygmy brothers as if they were animals and believe they can be cured of AIDS if they rape pygmy women (Bantus in Congo), have the highest rates of child rape on the continent (black South Africans), have the top three poorest countries on the continent (DRC, Zimbabwe, Burundi)... then I thought, "Why indulge this infantile, trolling dimwit?" So I deleted it.

Radoillo:


I started typing something about the people who carried out the most horrifying genocide since the Holocaust (Rwandan Hutus), still hunt down and ritually kill and eat their Pygmy brothers as if they were animals and believe they can be cured of AIDS if they rape pygmy women (Bantus in Congo), have the highest rates of child rape on the continent (black South Africans), have the top three poorest countries on the continent (DRC, Zimbabwe, Burundi)... then I thought, "Why indulge this infantile, trolling dimwit?" So I deleted it.

An avarage black south African lives 5x much better life than an avarage Nigerian...stop dreaming

daretodiffer:


You are so wrong there. Guinea is one of the African countries that has civilisation before the whites came. You do not want to compare at all

What do you mean by civilization?
Lol,there are different types of civilization. From your statement,you are trying to imply that Igbo, Hausa, Benin, Yoruba, Fante had no civilization prior the arrival of whites?
Lmao!

@Thunderinghooves I am also interested in genetics that was why i asked the Bantu buffon to produce Genetic differences between Bantus and West Africans.
The only thing he could come up with was names of Notable Bantu folks. Lol.

I've been in church since morning. Thank you Radoillo and Scholti for holding it down and teaching the Bantu monkey a lesson.

Ihuomadinihu:

What do you mean by civilization?
Lol,there are different types of civilization. From your statement,you are trying to imply that Igbo, Hausa, Benin, Yoruba, Fante had no civilization prior the arrival of whites?
Lmao!

You do not want to compare at all

Besides, why would anyone compare Guinea with the Igbs, what so special about the two.

ThunderingHooves:
Enjoying topic.

Am an armchair enthusiast of genetics and history.

Has anyone tried to link common phenotypes amongst igbos to any bantu group? e.g many full blooded tutsis share common phenotypes with some ethiopian highlander types suggesting common origin.

Also is there similarity styles in traditional(pre colonial) architecture?

Me too.

Igbos have a lot in common with the Congolese Bantu in terms of phenotype. Same with the Baganda of Uganda, the Bukusu and Kisii of Kenya (photos here; https://www.nairaland.com/1971376/beautiful-handsome-bantu-people-photos ).

They have the phenotype that I believe was probably the original Bantu phenotype (no references for this assertion) because it's the single most occurring phenotype in all bantu tribal groups. Including tribes that are heavily mixed with non-bantu tribes. You'll find it as far East as the East African Coast and to the furthest south.


Most genetic experts tend to ascribe the hutu/tutsi differences to social class systems, culture, etc, but nothing can be further from the truth. There was a clear tribal distinction in African tribes in terms of the economic activities of particular groups. The tutsi are pastoralists, like nilotes and cushites. Some think they are closely related to the Oromo. Their thin skeletal frames and height would fit closer with them than Ethiopian highlanders. But there is the Southern Ethiopia occupied by the Oromo. The Tutsi traditional story refers to the "north" as their origin.

"...One picture of their cultural history and oral legends, as well as cultural indications, suggested that in about the 1300s, a Cushite people, who are commonly a tall and thin, migrated into the area from the southern highlands of Ethiopia, coming as conquerors. Genocide survivor Eric Irivuzumugabe states "The truth is, it is difficult to tell who is Tutsi and who is Hutu by outward characteristics."*
They seem to have come originally speaking a language related to Somali and Oromo. Linguists tell us remnant words seem to indicate this. The Cushite descendants are known today by the name Tutsi. While there has been some suggestion that the feudal caste differences developed internally, and the physical differences sometimes associated with the two castes are due to genetic trends within the two castes, this does not seem to account for the extreme variations...."

http://orvillejenkins.com/peoples/tutsiandhutu.html

Am not from Rwanda, and can differentiate the two. There are also some, on both sides, with no signs of admixture.


I haven't ventured into the depths of architecture though.

Radoillo:

have the top three poorest countries on the continent (DRC, Zimbabwe, Burundi)... then I thought, "Why indulge this infantile, trolling dimwit?" So I deleted it.

How come there are ways more Nigerians in congo and Zimbabwe than congoleses and Zimbabweans in Nigeria?With all this war,congo is still a better place to live than Nigeria.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=728226
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=729330
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=674930
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=724834

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1751984

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY72owVie-o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-YbzWO_z60
The war is almost over and the descendants of Mwene Nimi,The Mwene Kongo are waking up .You better hurry up coz we will catch you and recreate the great Kongo kingdom

daretodiffer:



You do not want to compare at all

Besides, why would anyone compare Guinea with the Igbs, what so special about the two.

Please go back to earlier post and find out who is comparing Guinea and Igbos! I don't have the time for another round of illogical arguments from anyone.

Ihuomadinihu:

Please go back to earlier post and find out who is comparing Guinea and Igbos! I don't have the time for another round of illogical arguments from anyone.

I was referring to you two. He made an illogical argument and you carried on with him. You are as a guilty as he is. We are all Africans, Bantu or not

daretodiffer:


I was referring to you two. He made an illogical argument and you carried on with him. You are as a guilty as he is. We are all Africans, Bantu or not

Pls forward this to him. There are deal brokers in these sort of arguments. The Bantu insisted on going down that path and it's only logical you adopt his system and show him that his comparisons are irrelevant.
Enough of these Cautions and advices!! You either join the conversation or stay off my mentions.

@Thunderinghooves Well,i've seen articles that suggested that Tutsi were originally Nilotes that borrowed the Bantu language.

Ihuomadinihu:
@Thunderinghooves Well,i've seen articles that suggested that Tutsi were originally Nilotes that borrowed the Bantu language.

More like cushitics who adopted bantu language and customs.

People seem to forget the same social classes i.e. tutsi vs hutu also exist among other inter lacustrine bantu e.g tutsi = hima and hutu =bairu amongst the banyankole. Same goes with the Ha of Tanzania who are proximate to rwanda/burundi and speak similar language.see @muafrika 's post above.

All the same the confusion about igbo bantu affinity/relations remains.