Patchesagain:


Some questions:

1. Doro Gowon - if you look on google earth you can see that the town has been leveled. Are we still going to operate under the pretext that there are civilians there?

2. What do I have access to? everything in the nigerian army inventory?

3. The town of Shiwari is 10km away - do i hold this town? If I do - who has the initiate/momentum?

1) The assumption is that Doro Gowon has just been taken over, and the civilians are being there and being subjected to Boko Haram's barbaric interpretation of the world. That's why I mentioned adherence to international law.
Apologies to Henry, but I should've made this more clear in the original scenario.

2) Yet another failing on my part; I conceived the whole thing to tease out doctrine on how assets are employed. Can we stick with that for the moment? Or maybe use the same assets Henry used? With reasonable and equal number substitutions as per your concept of ops?

3) As per 2 above, mea culpa for the rushed scenario. You have un-opposed movement in a 50km radius around the landward side of the town.

N.B. This is more of a doctrinal demonstration than tactical. Perhaps a purely tactical manoeuvre exercise in future? With a battallion battle group?

Gentlemen, I shall join battle this weekend. I have free time. Just before I go up for refresher training on desert warfare (you can guess my next posting).

frumentius:
Genltemen, I shall join battle this weekend. I have free time. Just before I go up for refresher training on desert warfare (you can guess my next posting).

South Sudan??

Centrifude:

South Sudan??

We are not deployed in South Sudan, but in Sudan proper, Darfur to be exact. If it were up to me, the battalion in Darfur would be deployed in the DRC (part of SADC), specifically in the provinces of Equator and Orientale, to cut off supply lines to the Kivus. Then again, the politicians make all the decisions and we just maak n' plan!

frumentius:


We are not deployed in South Sudan, but in Sudan proper, Darfur to be exact. If it were up to me, the battalion in Darfur would be deployed in the DRC (part of SADC), specifically in the provinces of Equator and Orientale, to cut off supply lines to the Kivus. Then again, the politicians make all the decisions and we just maak n' plan!

Ohhh, thanx for the clarification, I've always assumed that the mission was in South Sudan because of all of the instability there no Sudan.

Now I'm just confused why we're in the north and not in the South.
Why deploy forces in a Country that has an army instead of country that is completely engulfed in civil war?

Centrifude:


Ohhh, thanx for the clarification, I've always assumed that the mission was in South Sudan because of all of the instability there no Sudan.

Now I'm just confused why we're in the north and not in the South.
Why deploy forces in a Country that has an army instead of country that is completely engulfed in civil war?

We where there before people ever thought there would be a south sudan. We actualy have deplyed to south sudan but on very rare occasions.

Russian CSAR effort in Syria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHm2Owpo79Q&feature=youtu.be

Regardless of each country's doctrine, Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) broadly comprises 2 planning characteristics: immediate and deliberate. We've just seen both in Syria within the space of a few hours. The immediate appoach failed whilst the latter succeded. The main difference between the 2 is the time required to build a clear intelligence picture. With lives on the line however, the immediate approach often is the only available option.

With a fuzzy intelligence picture, one plans to mitigate at least some of the unknowns. In my opinion, and based on the available videos, the Russian execution was tactically inept because of these reasons:
1) there were no ground assets;
2) the pair of Hinds were not adequate to both protect the rescue MI-8s and suppress any hostiles on the ground;
3) no CAS fast jets like the SU-25 Frogfoot.


South African doctrine stipulates that all these assets practise and train intensively for both immediate and deliberate CSAR. I imagine Russian doctrine is similar. Now, in their defence, they may well not have enough ground forces in Syria for this. Which is why they utilised Syrian Special Forces in the ground role for the successful deliberate effort.
Why were these omitted in the failed immediate effort? I imagine the officer who signed off on this has already been recalled to Moscow.

frumentius:
Russian CSAR effort in Syria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHm2Owpo79Q&feature=youtu.be

Regardless of each country's doctrine, Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) broadly comprises 2 planning characteristics: immediate and deliberate. We've just seen both in Syria within the space of a few hours. The immediate appoach failed whilst the latter succeded. The main difference between the 2 is the time required to build a clear intelligence picture. With lives on the line however, the immediate approach often is the only available option.

With a fuzzy intelligence picture, one plans to mitigate at least some of the unknowns. In my opinion, and based on the available videos, the Russian execution was tactically inept because of these reasons:
1) there were no ground assets;
2) the pair of Hinds were not adequate to both protect the rescue MI-8s and suppress any hostiles on the ground;
3) no CAS fast jets like the SU-25 Frogfoot.


South African doctrine stipulates that all these assets practise and train intensively for both immediate and deliberate CSAR. I imagine Russian doctrine is similar. Now, in their defence, they may well not have enough ground forces in Syria for this. Which is why they utilised Syrian Special Forces in the ground role for the successful deliberate effort.
Why were these omitted in the failed immediate effort? I imagine the officer who signed off on this has already been recalled to Moscow.

Same similar problem the Americans had In there failed "Operation Red wings" rescue in Afghanistan. Inadequacy of assets and a rush of blood to the head. The Americans went in with 2 chinook helicopters without air support. A chinook with 24 navy seals was downed, while the lucky second suffered multiple gunshot related damages.


I think in both cases, without on the ground Intel chances of success are always going to be very slim....... At most 30% window of success.

You know a rescue mission has gone horribly wrong when the rescuers need rescuing.

Henry240:


I think in both cases, without on the ground Intel chances of success are always going to be very slim....... At most 30% window of success.

Which is why you increase your chances of success by deploying appropriately. From the moment that Fencer went down, a drone should've been loitering on-station, a pair of Frogfoots spreading hate on hostiles on the ground. And as seems likely, the Syrian SF weren't immediately available to constitute the ground QRF, at least 4 Hinds should've been deployed.

But as you say, probably a rush of blood to the head. I mean, they did things properly just a few hours later!

oh wow. so there's a 'discussion' thread. all this e-generals should just calm down, Go enlist in your respective militaries.

so basically there's
.
-the tribute thread.
- the picture thread
- the online war thread
- the discussion thread

Cyber generals!!

frumentius:


Which is why you increase your chances of success by deploying appropriately. From the moment that Fencer went down, a drone should've been loitering on-station, a pair of Frogfoots spreading hate on hostiles on the ground. And as seems likely, the Syrian SF weren't immediately available to constitute the ground QRF, at least 4 Hinds should've been deployed.

But as you say, probably a rush of blood to the head. I mean, they did things properly just a few hours later!

I agree, a drone should have been loitering, it would definitely have help the rescue team with situational awareness.


A lot of credit should be given to Syrian Special forces and Qasem Soleimani. Great the operation finally succeeded.

Nigerian Air force unmanned combat aerial vehicle destroys Boko Haram logistics base



The Nigerian Air Force Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle (UAV) has destroyed a logistics base used by members of the Boko Haram Terrorists (BHT) group. The UAV was on intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) mission when it came across the gathering of BHTs at Garin Moloma, about one kilometre north of the Sambisa Forest. At the time of the UAV attack, the location, though under surveillance for quite a while, had a large gathering of BHTs and vehicles. The multiple explosions and huge fire ball from the location, as can be seen from the enclosed video of the UAV strike, strongly suggests that it may be either an ammunition/ fuel storage or weapons/technical workshop. This strike is thus a major setback for the Boko Haram Sect, and a major plus for the fight against insurgency by own troops.

i hope our SBS teach these ship hijackers a bloody lesson.

Nigerdeltaboi:
i hope our SBS teach these ship hijackers a bloody lesson.

I'm confident in the ability of our SBS to deal with the problem. However this government needs to thread carefully, the politics of Nigeria has to be handled in a very matured manner.


This government needs GEJ to mediate in the entire regions before things escalate. The current President also needs to be smart with his utterances so that fellow citizens don't feel alienated.

Expeditionary forces fire support tool.
The G7 105mm howitzer.

Nigerian Navy's Fleet Re-Capitalization continues;


As well as NNS Ayam and NNS Siri, the Nigerian Navy has completely refurbished NNS Brass and NNS Yola. These vessels have now entered navy service. Their refits were carried out at the Naval shipyard in Port-harcourt.



As soon as i can lay my hands on there photos, i'll post them.

Video of NAF CH-3A drone destroying boko-haram logistics base
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5fDPP62_H8

Henry240:


I'm confident in the ability of our SBS to deal with the problem. However this government needs to thread carefully, the politics of Nigeria has to be handled in a very matured manner.


This government needs GEJ to mediate in the entire regions before things escalate. The current President also needs to be smart with his utterances so that fellow citizens don't feel alienated.

spot on

Giving the JF-17 multi-role jet teeth.

Analysis on what impact SA weapon systems would have if they were offered as part of the JF-17 weapons package.

In tandem with attractive cost-savings, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) needs to guarantee the availability of current-day as well as emerging technologies, especially in the areas of air-to-air and air-to-surface munitions.

http://quwa.org/2016/02/01/could-the-jf-17-thunder-help-south-africa/

MikeCZAR:
Giving the JF-17 multi-role jet teeth.

Analysis on what impact SA weapon systems would have if they were offered as part of the JF-17 weapons package.

In tandem with attractive cost-savings, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) needs to guarantee the availability of current-day as well as emerging technologies, especially in the areas of air-to-air and air-to-surface munitions.

http://quwa.org/2016/02/01/could-the-jf-17-thunder-help-south-africa/

This could potentially help you South-Africans. South-Africa needs air frames like the JF-17 and LCA to compete in missile market.


Already the political clout of the U.S ensures all NATO members buy missiles from the U.S in varying quantities.


Eastern bloc leaning Nations and India would either buy from Russia or co-develop with the Russians. Bhramos et al


The Chinese have, Thailand, Pakistan, Malaysia and some eastern bloc countries.

Your air force would have been a good source to create awareness, but as we can see, the SAAF lacks the funds.

So realistically for your missiles to sell a neutral aircraft like the JF-17 is one of your best bets. 150 + Aircrafts for Pakistan alone, with numbers expected to rise to 250 planes, sales to Nigeria, Sri-Lanka, possibly Egypt, Iran and Azerbaijan.

Better leadership.

The Power Of The Rooivalk On Show During A Three Day Demonstration.

Members of various Defence Forces, Defence
analysts, the Defence Industry and the media are
attending a demonstration of the Denel Rooivalk
equipped with the Denel Mokopa missile.......

http://www.denellandsystems.co.za/press-article/The-Power-Of-The-Rooivalk-On-Show-During-A-Three-Day-Demonstration/113

Henry240:


This could potentially help you South-Africans. South-Africa needs air frames like the JF-17 and LCA to compete in missile market.


Already the political clout of the U.S ensures all NATO members buy missiles from the U.S in varying quantities.


Eastern bloc leaning Nations and India would either buy from Russia or co-develop with the Russians. Bhramos et al


The Chinese have, Thailand, Pakistan, Malaysia and some eastern bloc countries.

Your air force would have been a good source to create awareness, but as we can see, the SAAF lacks the funds.

So realistically for your missiles to sell a neutral aircraft like the JF-17 is one of your best bets. 150 + Aircrafts for Pakistan alone, with numbers expected to rise to 250 planes, sales to Nigeria, Sri-Lanka, possibly Egypt, Iran and Azerbaijan.

The USA is losing it's dominance in this market.

The Metoer BVRAAM and the IRIS-T SRAAM are great examples. European air forces are sourcing/acquiring missiles in that continent. MBDA dominated market.

The SAAF is funding the R & D costs of these projects. Maintaining and building skills.

The big ticket items like the G5, G6, Rooivalk etc are the only systems SA companies have been struggling to secure orders.

MikeCZAR:
The USA is losing it's dominance in this market.

The Metoer BVRAAM and the IRIS-T SRAAM are great examples. European air forces are sourcing/acquiring missiles in that continent. MBDA dominated market.

The SAAF is funding the R & D costs of these projects. Maintaining and building skills.

The big ticket items like the G5, G6, Rooivalk etc are the only systems SA companies have been struggling to secure orders.

In many quarters, the Gripen NG is considered a better product than the F-35. This doesn't mean the Gripen NG has the political clout to compete with the F-35 in terms of sale. Norway tried going for the Gripen NG, the Americans threatened them back into line.

Arms sales is more political than anything else.

Europeans would always use European products, but sales would be dictated by washington.


SAAF doesn't have the money to induct the systems. To prove viability and product support, the seller has to show it can also support these products in the next 25 - 30 years.


Realistically, the JF-17 provides the perfect platform to sell your missiles. That is if china even agrees with product integration.


It's a tough market.

Throw back. Yes I know it is not Thursday.

Before the late 90s financial crisis befell Asian country and the deal was scrapped.

Apache scalped by Rooivalk in Malaysia

Malaysia and South Africa are finalising a deal covering the purchase of an initial eight Denel CSH-2 Rooivalk attack helicopters.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/apache-scalped-by-rooivalk-in-malaysia-533/

I'm sure we've all seen this Janes article on the T-50



Although it looks like a fifth-generation fighter, the T-50 PAK-FA currently lacks many of the systems associated with that class of combat aircraft, and it is doubtful whether they will be incorporated into future production blocks. Source: Sukhoi The presence of the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor at the 2016 Singapore Airshow, and statements from the company about future demand in Asia for more F-35 models to be procured have highlighted the interest in the region for fifth- generation combat aircraft. A number of air forces have a programme to acquire a fifth- generation fighter, but what qualifies an aircraft to carry that label is a "matter of perspective," a US industry representative told IHS Jane's . Russian industry has consistently referred to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA as a fifth-generation aircraft, but a careful look at the programme reveals that this is an 'in-name-only' designation. What qualifies a fighter aircraft as being a next-generation design is more than just having a stealthy-looking shape, said Lockheed Martin representatives. Previously, Russian defence think-tanks had been projecting that the T-50 would be purchased by Asian nations that were already operating some model of the Sukhoi Su-27/30 'Flanker'- series. This would include Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam. China, another major operator of Sukhoi aircraft is developing its own next-generation aircraft in the Chengdu J-20 and Shenyang FC-31. Russian specialists familiar with the T-50 programme state that the aircraft will have trouble gaining traction in the Asian market as the on-board systems offer very little fifth-generation technologies despite what is projected to be a considerably higher price tag than the latest Su-35 'Flanker-E', ordered by China and Indonesia. Both the T-50's NIIP Irbis radar and the NPO Saturn 117S engine that are two of the major subsystems of the T-50 are the same as those installed in the Su-35. Also, a number of the avionics on-board the T-50 and Su-35 are common. Those that will be part of the production-configuration of the T-50 will more likely than not be only incremental or evolutionary improvements over their analogues on- board the Su-35, say the same specialists.

I'm sure we've all seen this Janes article on the T-50



Although it looks like a fifth-generation fighter, the T-50 PAK-FA currently lacks many of the systems associated with that class of combat aircraft, and it is doubtful whether they will be incorporated into future production blocks. Source: Sukhoi The presence of the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor at the 2016 Singapore Airshow, and statements from the company about future demand in Asia for more F-35 models to be procured have highlighted the interest in the region for fifth- generation combat aircraft. A number of air forces have a programme to acquire a fifth- generation fighter, but what qualifies an aircraft to carry that label is a "matter of perspective," a US industry representative told IHS Jane's . Russian industry has consistently referred to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA as a fifth-generation aircraft, but a careful look at the programme reveals that this is an 'in-name-only' designation. What qualifies a fighter aircraft as being a next-generation design is more than just having a stealthy-looking shape, said Lockheed Martin representatives. Previously, Russian defence think-tanks had been projecting that the T-50 would be purchased by Asian nations that were already operating some model of the Sukhoi Su-27/30 'Flanker'- series. This would include Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam. China, another major operator of Sukhoi aircraft is developing its own next-generation aircraft in the Chengdu J-20 and Shenyang FC-31. Russian specialists familiar with the T-50 programme state that the aircraft will have trouble gaining traction in the Asian market as the on-board systems offer very little fifth-generation technologies despite what is projected to be a considerably higher price tag than the latest Su-35 'Flanker-E', ordered by China and Indonesia. Both the T-50's NIIP Irbis radar and the NPO Saturn 117S engine that are two of the major subsystems of the T-50 are the same as those installed in the Su-35. Also, a number of the avionics on-board the T-50 and Su-35 are common. Those that will be part of the production-configuration of the T-50 will more likely than not be only incremental or evolutionary improvements over their analogues on- board the Su-35, say the same specialists.

[b]The vessel
hijacked by the pirates
The Nigerian Navy on Monday
in Lagos paraded six suspected
pirates it arrested for hijacking
an oil tanker.
The Chief of Naval Training and
Operations, Rear Adm. Henry
Babalola, told journalists that
the suspected pirates were
arrested around Sao Tome after
the gang had hijacked the
vessel off the coast of Cote
d’Ivoire.
Babalola said the arrest was
made after a fierce gun battle
with naval forces that left a
suspect dead.
”Before the security forces got
to the hijacked vessel, two crew
members, an Indian and a
Pakistan, had been kidnapped
and taken away by two of the
gang members.
”The hijackers, after sighting the
naval ships, refused to
surrender, shut downfall the oil
tanker and opened fire on the
security agents.
”It
was
at
that
point
the
deceased pirate was gunned
down because he came out of
the ship to confront the
boarding party,” he said.
The Naval chief said that the
operation was coordinated
from the naval headquarters in
Abuja and commended navies
in the neighbouring countries
for their cooperation.


Babalola warned pirates to
desist from such illegal acts or
face the consequences.
The captain of the hijacked
tanker, Capt. Prilliea Krishna,
expressed appreciation to the
Nigerian Navy for coming to the
crew’s rescue.
He pleaded with the navy
authorities to help find the two
crew members being held
hostage by the gang.
The pirates had hijacked a
Saudi Arabian tanker, MT
MAXIMUS, chartered by a South
Korean company. The vessel,
which was renamed MT ELVIS-5
by the hijackers to conceal it,
was loaded with 4,700 metric
tons of diesel.

The Nigerian Navy deployed
three naval ships, NNS
OKPABANA, NNS CENTENARY
and NNS SAGBAMA to smoke
out the hijackers.[/b]

Henry24o:
I'm sure we've all seen this Janes article on the T-50




Although it looks like a fifth-generation
fighter, the T-50 PAK-FA currently lacks
many of the systems associated with
that class of combat aircraft, and it is
doubtful whether they will be
incorporated into future production
blocks. Source: Sukhoi
The presence of the US Lockheed
Martin F-22 Raptor at the 2016
Singapore Airshow, and statements
from the company about future
demand in Asia for more F-35 models
to be procured have highlighted the
interest in the region for fifth-
generation combat aircraft.
A number of air forces have a
programme to acquire a fifth-
generation fighter, but what qualifies
an aircraft to carry that label is a
"matter of perspective," a US industry
representative told IHS Jane's .
Russian industry has consistently
referred to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA as a
fifth-generation aircraft, but a careful
look at the programme reveals that this
is an 'in-name-only' designation. What
qualifies a fighter aircraft as being a
next-generation design is more than
just having a stealthy-looking shape,
said Lockheed Martin representatives.
Previously, Russian defence think-tanks
had been projecting that the T-50
would be purchased by Asian nations
that were already operating some
model of the Sukhoi Su-27/30 'Flanker'-
series. This would include Indonesia,
Malaysia, and Vietnam. China, another
major operator of Sukhoi aircraft is
developing its own next-generation
aircraft in the Chengdu J-20 and
Shenyang FC-31.
Russian specialists familiar with the
T-50 programme state that the aircraft
will have trouble gaining traction in the
Asian market as the on-board systems
offer very little fifth-generation
technologies despite what is projected
to be a considerably higher price tag
than the latest Su-35 'Flanker-E',
ordered by China and Indonesia.
Both the T-50's NIIP Irbis radar and the
NPO Saturn 117S engine that are two of
the major subsystems of the T-50 are
the same as those installed in the
Su-35. Also, a number of the avionics
on-board the T-50 and Su-35 are
common. Those that will be part of the
production-configuration of the T-50
will more likely than not be only
incremental or evolutionary
improvements over their analogues on-
board the Su-35, say the same
specialists.

Only people who don't know this are die hard Putin minions.
Even Russia tactfully reduced orders to two squadrons and got more su35.

M14A1:




Only people who don't know this are die hard Putin minions.
Even Russia tactfully reduced orders to two squadrons and got more su35.

I really don't like to view things through a narrow prism, we have to evaluate properly both sides. Only the guys at UAC working on the T-50 have all the details.


idrw.org/indian-air-force-pilots-will-be-allowed-to-test-pak-fa-uac-chief/#more-87936


Hopefully after the indians test the T-50, we would be able to get an independent assessment of the aircraft.



-during recent tests, rate of climb of PAKFA was 384m/s. This is with old engines, it should do 400m/s easily with it's new engine.

Henry240:


I really don't like to view things through a narrow prism, we have to evaluate properly both sides. Only the guys at UAC working on the T-50 have all the details.


idrw.org/indian-air-force-pilots-will-be-allowed-to-test-pak-fa-uac-chief/#more-87936


Hopefully after the indians test the T-50, we would be able to get an independent assessment of the aircraft.



-during recent tests, rate of climb of PAKFA was 384m/s. This is with old engines, it should do 400m/s easily with it's new engine.

Don't get me wrong.
My independent assessment is based on stealth/avionics.
Fifth gen fighters are stealthy missile slinging super computers.

M14A1:

Don't get me wrong.
My independent assessment is based on stealth/avionics.
Fifth gen fighters are stealthy missile slinging super computers.

It's RCS is unacceptable for a 5GEN fighter, there are doubts as to if it can super cruise. It's Aircraft Electronics most likely are underpar when compared to the F-35, however like every other thing with the plane, information is scarce to be sure for certain. The best bet for the whole world are the Indian test pilots.

Now this is hilarious!!




[b]Britain's 'Unique' Missiles Have Killed No Daesh Militants The radar-guided "smart missiles" quoted among the reasons for the UK to take part in the airstrikes campaign in Syria have so far killed no Daesh fighters. The response to a freedom of information (FOI) request by the Huffington Post UK has revealed that no recorded casualty has been attributed to the Brimstone missile since the start of the strikes in December. In the FOI answer, the UK Ministry of Defense said that only seven people have been hit by British strikes so far— it is unknown whether they were killed or just wounded. Five of the casualties resulted from US- made Hellfire missiles, while the remaining two were brought about by Paveway IV bombs. Brimstone missiles— £100,000-each — resort to radar and laser technology to hit targets precisely. They had previously been extolled by cabinet figures, including Prime Minister David Cameron, who said that they would "cut off the head of the [Daesh] snake". The government actually built part of its case for British intervention on the Brimstone missiles. Since only the UK and Saudi Arabia have access to these particular missiles, the cabinet’s narrative went, the RAF's intervention could actually make a difference. Tory minister David Jones described Brimstones as "unique", while the PM called them "some of the most accurate weapons known to man". It was claimed that such accuracy would reduce civilian kills and reliably hit faraway targets. This argument had nonetheless been disputed ahead of the vote, because Brimstone's anti-tank capabilities can cause harm to other than its intended target. The FOI response said that the much- touted missiles have so far been used only in nine strikes. In addition, the Brimstone missiles' deployment was not kick-started until January, more than a month after the British Parliament voted for the intervention.[/b]