Kay17:


This is more like an abdication. You have effectively 'outsourced' a discussion to external apologists. I'm not unaware of these authors, but I find them to place an undue emphasis on faith. Faith in my belief is too subjective to form a concrete foundation.

Kay 17 This is not an abdication because as I have other responsibilities and Christians have very likely given sound answers to the questions that you may wish to raise. Also the mentioned Wallington Gospel Hall website is something that I contribute to. If you can really answer the questions in the article "Is there any Convincing Evidence for God?" then you have a valid case for atheism.
However if you wish to discuss "Faith, God and His Word the Bible" then that is going off topic for this post and I am happy to open another post with that as the topic and continue.

Kay17:


This is more like an abdication. You have effectively 'outsourced' a discussion to external apologists. I'm not unaware of these authors, but I find them to place an undue emphasis on faith. Faith in my belief is too subjective to form a concrete foundation.

Kay 17 This is not an abdication as I have other matters to attend to as well and those mentioned are better thinkers than me. Also I contribute to the Wallington Gospel Hall website and the article "Is there any Convincing Evidence for God?" asked atheists some hard questions. However if you wish to discuss “faith” this is changing the subject and so I suggest that we open another topic called “Faith, God and the Bible”.

Kay17:


This is more like an abdication. You have effectively 'outsourced' a discussion to external apologists. I'm not unaware of these authors, but I find them to place an undue emphasis on faith. Faith in my belief is too subjective to form a concrete foundation.

Kay 17, This is not an abdication as I have other matters to attend to and those mentioned are better thinkers than me. Also I contribute to the Wallington Gospel Hall website and the article "Is there any Convincing Evidence for God?" asked atheists some hard questions. However if you wish to discuss “faith” this is changing the subject and so I suggest that we open another topic called “Faith, God and the Bible”.

Runwellnow:


Kay 17, This is not an abdication as I have other matters to attend to and those mentioned are better thinkers than me. Also I contribute to the Wallington Gospel Hall website and the article "Is there any Convincing Evidence for God?" asked atheists some hard questions. However if you wish to discuss “faith” this is changing the subject and so I suggest that we open another topic called “Faith, God and the Bible”.

Sigh.

This is a wrong fallacious argument , first you have to prove god exists before asserting a claim on who created god..

manichukk56:
This is a wrong fallacious argument , first you have to prove god exists before asserting a claim on who created god..

Are u saying he doesn't exist?

How do you know its a he/she, secondly what proof do you have for the existence of god

manichukk56:
How do you know its a he/she, secondly what proof do you have for the existence of god

Bible/Quran

The bible and quaran are claims not Evidence, spiderman comics exist that doesn't mean spiderman is real..... If i write a book and say it is gods word that doesn't mean it is, thats just a claim not evidence

manichukk56:
The bible and quaran are claims not Evidence, spiderman comics exist that doesn't mean spiderman is real..... If i write a book and say it is gods word that doesn't mean it is, thats just a claim not evidence

buh it doesn't burn

addempsea:
buh it doesn't burn

what doesn't burn

manichukk56:


what doesn't burn

the books.

Reyginus:
You are asking me to commit a logical fallacy. I cannot tell you where. You can only know how I have really lived my life if only I let you know.

Lol... Welcome to Jamrock

LucemFerre:


Lol... Welcome to Jamrock

How exactly?

manichukk56:
The bible and quaran are claims not Evidence, spiderman comics exist that doesn't mean spiderman is real..... If i write a book and say it is gods word that doesn't mean it is, thats just a claim not evidence

The Bible is more than A CLAIM, but since logic requires step-wise approach, I will leave that matter for now and focus on why I believe there is a creator for the universe.

I really don't believe in COINCIDENCES when three (3) or more Factors play out in a specific way-Planned way eg


1) Earth's unique shape with Flatten poles.

2) Earth's Water, Nitrogen and Oxygen cycle

3) Earth's rotation, Path around the sun.

4) Earth's tilt angle.

5) Earth's magnetic shield

6) Earth's location from the sun.

7) Earth's moon size, size ratio to Earth, distance

Earth's Sun- size, type of energy emitted, rate of decay.

9) Location of Earth's Solar system on our Milky way galaxy.

10) Earth's gravitational value/constant

11) The Fact that complex life has not been found anywhere close if at all.

12) Order in the universe,

13) No other good explanation for the origin of the universe- No other mention of another big bang!


I like to think everything was planned and since every Plan/Law need Planner/Law giver- why not a creator.

RikoduoSennin:


The Bible is more than A CLAIM...

Yeah right, it's a stack of illusions of historical legitimacy and revelations... Let's call it... a story book.

RikoduoSennin:
I really don't believe in COINCIDENCES when three (3) or more Factors play out in a specific way-Planned way eg

We attended the same primary school with a guy, same secondary school, same university and now we work at the same fu<|<ing place? Wtf do you call that, Gods plan? Hell, I don't even like this muthr fu<|<er, not to talk of being his gddamn friend... Chew that.

RikoduoSennin:

1) Earth's unique shape with Flatten poles.

2) Earth's Water, Nitrogen and Oxygen cycle

3) Earth's rotation, Path around the sun.

4) Earth's tilt angle.

5) Earth's magnetic shield

6) Earth's location from the sun.

7) Earth's moon size, size ratio to Earth, distance

Earth's Sun- size, type of energy emitted, rate of decay.

9) Location of Earth's Solar system on our Milky way galaxy.

10) Earth's gravitational value/constant

11) The Fact that complex life has not been found anywhere close if at all.

12) Order in the universe,

You think all that was a coincidence? Are you 5h!+ing me? It's called evolution, natural process.

RikoduoSennin:

13) No other good explanation for the origin of the universe- No other mention of another big bang!

What the hell does this even mean?

RikoduoSennin:
I like to think...

Yeah right, a hobby and a fuc<|<ing hunch (lol) get the fu<|< outta here

RikoduoSennin:
since every Plan/Law need Planner/Law giver

Says who? You wanna place God so, you cooked up a gddamn theory. How convenient

What would make you believe in GOD? LucemFerre

addempsea:
What would make you believe in GOD? LucemFerre

Which God? God mean different things to different people.

LucemFerre:


Which God? God mean different things to different people.

The supreme being.

addempsea:
The supreme being.

The God who created the world and doesn't give a sh!+ what goes on afterwards because... Well, it couldn't (the creative part of nature (which I don't know why people call it God)) or the religious God who is omniscient, omnipotent omni blah blah? They're both supreme...

LucemFerre:


Yeah right, it's a stack of illusions of historical legitimacy and revelations... Let's call it... a story book.



We attended the same primary school with a guy, same secondary school, same university and now we work at the same fu<|<ing place? Wtf do you call that, Gods plan? Hell, I don't even like this muthr fu<|<er, not to talk of being his gddamn friend... Chew that.



You think all that was a coincidence? Are you 5h!+ing me? It's called evolution, natural process.


What the hell does this even mean?



Yeah right, a hobby and a fuc<|<ing hunch (lol) get the fu<|< outta here



Says who? You wanna place God so, you cooked up a gddamn theory. How convenient

Please, if you want to be taken seriously, then learn how to talk and address people mostly the ones you know absolutely nothing about.

The above ranting is not something and intelligent/knowledgeable person will utter.

Did your college Professor explain/ answer your questions like that?

So much offensive cursing. Respect is reciprocal. Since I can't reply someone in that way- I choose to ignore your comment.

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No one takes someone like this seriously, do they?

RikoduoSennin:


Please, if you want to be taken seriously, then learn how to talk and address people mostly the ones you know absolutely nothing about.

The above ranting is not something and intelligent/knowledgeable person will utter.

Did your college Professor explain/ answer your questions like that?

So much offensive cursing. Respect is reciprocal. Since I can't reply someone in that way- I choose to ignore your comment.

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No one takes someone like this seriously, do they?

Whatever n!gga... Isn't it ironic...? I never said I was intelligent and knowledgeable... You assumed that from the B.S. I wrote... And emm... I don't think you ignored my post (obviously) you're just trying to escape your absurd theories by ad hominem, but it's okay man... Do what ever the hell you gotta do