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... by Nobody: 11:04am On Dec 24, 2014
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Re: ... by Nobody: 11:05am On Dec 24, 2014
edition.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world/meast/inside-isis-juergen-todenhoefer/
Re: ... by Rich4god(m): 11:11am On Dec 24, 2014
ISIS and its likes are causing a whole lot of damage to the muslims but they are all keeping quite abt it. Look at Belgium, France, Netherlands, Denmark... Extremist are spranging up in those places, believing that ISIS are doing the right thing. But the muslims brothers wont rise up to speak against them. But if one mumu man draw cartoon of the prophet, all the whole muslims will take to the street. So much for religion of peace.

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Re: ... by brownlord: 11:33am On Dec 24, 2014
xule20:
-- Juergen Todenhoefer's journey was a
tough one: dangerous, but also eye-opening. The
author traveled deep into ISIS territory -- the area
they now call their "caliphate" -- visiting Raqqa
and Deir Ezzor in Syria, as well as Mosul in Iraq.
Mosul, Iraq's second largest city, was taken by ISIS
in a Blitzkrieg-like sweep in June.
Todenhoefer managed to visit the mosque there
where the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi,
gave his only public address.
And he saw the realities of daily life under ISIS,
with all shops having to close for prayers in the
middle of the day.
"There is an awful sense of normalcy in Mosul,"
Todenhoefer said in an exclusive interview with
CNN.
"130,000 Christians have been evicted from the
city, the Shia have fled, many people have been
murdered and yet the city is functioning and
people actually like the stability that the Islamic
State has brought them."
Nonetheless, he says, there is an air of fear
among residents: "Of course many of the them
are quite scared, because the punishment for
breaking the Islamic State's strict rules is very
severe."
According to ISIS's leadership, the group's
fighters managed to take Mosul with only
about 300 men, even though more than
20,000 Iraqi army soldiers were stationed
there when the attack was launched.
Todenhoefer spoke with several ISIS
fighters who took part in the operation.
"It took us about four days to take Mosul,"
a young fighter told him.
"So you were only about 300 men and you
defeated 20,000 troops in four days?"
Todenhoefer asked.
"Well, we didn't attack them all at once, we
hit their front lines hard, also using suicide
attacks. Then the others fled very quickly,"
the fighter explained. "We fight for Allah,
they fight for money and other things that
they do not really believe in."
Glow in their eyes
Todenhoefer told CNN the enthusiasm the
ISIS militants showed was one thing that
stood out.
"When we stayed at their recruitment
house, there were 50 new fighters who came
every day," Todenhoefer said. "And I just could
not believe the glow in their eyes. They felt like
they were coming to a promised land, like they
were fighting for the right thing.
"These are not stupid people. One of the people
we met had just finished his law degree, he had
great job offers, but he turned them down to go
and fight ... We met fighters from Europe and the
United States. One of them was from New Jersey.
Can you imagine a man from New Jersey traveling
to fight for the Islamic State?"
He went on to say that one of ISIS's main points of
strength is their fighters' willingness -- even their
will -- to die on the battlefield.
Todenhoefer met one somewhat overweight
recruit in a "safe house" who said he wears a
suicide belt to every battle because he is too
chubby to run away if he is cornered and would
choose to blow himself up, rather than be
captured.

ISIS also has a track record of abusing, torturing
and executing prisoners of war. Todenhoefer was
briefly able to speak to a Kurdish captive while in
Mosul. The captive claimed he had not been
tortured, but Todenhoefer said he found that hard
to believe.
"This was a broken man," Todenhoefer said. "It
was very sad to see a person in this state. He was
just very weak and very afraid of his captors."
Todenhoefer conducted the interview with
the prisoner while several ISIS fighters
stood guard. He asked the man whether
he knew what would happen to him.
"I do not know," the captive told him. "My
family does not even know I am still alive.
I hope that maybe there will be some sort
of prisoner exchange."
Child ISIS fighters
Todenhoefer was also taken to see child soldiers
outfitted with Islamic State gear and brandishing
AK-47s. One of the boys seemed very young but
claimed he had already gone to battle for ISIS.
"How old are you?" Todenhoefer asked.
"I am 13 years old," the boy replied -- though he
looked even younger than that.
One of the most remarkable episodes of
Todenhoefer's trip to the ISIS-controlled region
came when he was able to conduct an interview
with a German fighter who spoke on behalf of
ISIS's leadership.
The man -- clearly unapologetic about the group's
transgressions -- vowed there was more to come;
he also issued a warning to Europe and the United
States.
"So you also want to come to Europe?"
Todenhoefer asked him.
"No, we will conquer Europe one day," the man
said. "It is not a question of if we will conquer
Europe, just a matter of when that will happen.
But it is certain ... For us, there is no such thing as
borders. There are only front lines.
"Our expansion will be perpetual ... And
the Europeans need to know that when we
come, it will not be in a nice way. It will be
with our weapons. And those who do not
convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will
be killed."
Todenhoefer asked the fighter about their
treatment of other religions, especially
Shia Muslims.
"What about the 150 million Shia, what if
they refuse to convert?" Todenhoefer
asked.
"150 million, 200 million or 500 million, it
does not matter to us," the fighter
answered. "We will kill them all."
Beheadings

The interview became testy when they
reached the topic of beheadings and
enslavement, especially of female captives.
"So do you seriously think that beheadings
and enslavement actually signal progress
for humanity?" Todenhoefer asked.
"Slavery absolutely signals progress," the
man said. "Only ignorant people believe that there
is no slavery among the Christians and the Jews.
Of course there are woman who are forced into
prostitution under the worst circumstances.
"I would say that slavery is a great help to us and
we will continue to have slavery and beheadings, it
is part of our religion ... many slaves have
converted to Islam and have then been freed."

The ISIS spokesman blamed the beheading of
captured Western journalists and aid workers on
the policies of the United States.
"People should really think about the case of
James Foley," he said. "He did not get killed
because we started the battle. He got killed
because of the ignorance of his government that
did not give him any help."
Even with recent gains by Kurdish forces against
ISIS in northern Iraq, Todenhoefer sees the
extremist group as entrenched, building state
institutions, and that it shows no sign of losing its
grip in the main areas it controls in Iraq and Syria.
"I think the Islamic State is a lot more dangerous
than Western leaders realize," he said. "They
believe in what they are fighting for and are
preparing the largest religious cleansing
campaign the world has ever seen."

I know Christian says Jesus is the "Prince of Peace" i wonder what muslims will say about Muhammed.

Remove islam and the world will have peace

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Re: ... by onoja12: 11:47am On Dec 24, 2014
Point of order isis,is not the business of Nigeria or Africa,let does who made them deal with them or better still let them deal with who made them.as for Africa count us out


xule20:
-- Juergen Todenhoefer's journey was a
tough one: dangerous, but also eye-opening. The
author traveled deep into ISIS territory -- the area
they now call their "caliphate" -- visiting Raqqa
and Deir Ezzor in Syria, as well as Mosul in Iraq.
Mosul, Iraq's second largest city, was taken by ISIS
in a Blitzkrieg-like sweep in June.
Todenhoefer managed to visit the mosque there
where the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi,
gave his only public address.
And he saw the realities of daily life under ISIS,
with all shops having to close for prayers in the
middle of the day.
"There is an awful sense of normalcy in Mosul,"
Todenhoefer said in an exclusive interview with
CNN.
"130,000 Christians have been evicted from the
city, the Shia have fled, many people have been
murdered and yet the city is functioning and
people actually like the stability that the Islamic
State has brought them."
Nonetheless, he says, there is an air of fear
among residents: "Of course many of the them
are quite scared, because the punishment for
breaking the Islamic State's strict rules is very
severe."
According to ISIS's leadership, the group's
fighters managed to take Mosul with only
about 300 men, even though more than
20,000 Iraqi army soldiers were stationed
there when the attack was launched.
Todenhoefer spoke with several ISIS
fighters who took part in the operation.
"It took us about four days to take Mosul,"
a young fighter told him.
"So you were only about 300 men and you
defeated 20,000 troops in four days?"
Todenhoefer asked.
"Well, we didn't attack them all at once, we
hit their front lines hard, also using suicide
attacks. Then the others fled very quickly,"
the fighter explained. "We fight for Allah,
they fight for money and other things that
they do not really believe in."
Glow in their eyes
Todenhoefer told CNN the enthusiasm the
ISIS militants showed was one thing that
stood out.
"When we stayed at their recruitment
house, there were 50 new fighters who came
every day," Todenhoefer said. "And I just could
not believe the glow in their eyes. They felt like
they were coming to a promised land, like they
were fighting for the right thing.
"These are not stupid people. One of the people
we met had just finished his law degree, he had
great job offers, but he turned them down to go
and fight ... We met fighters from Europe and the
United States. One of them was from New Jersey.
Can you imagine a man from New Jersey traveling
to fight for the Islamic State?"
He went on to say that one of ISIS's main points of
strength is their fighters' willingness -- even their
will -- to die on the battlefield.
Todenhoefer met one somewhat overweight
recruit in a "safe house" who said he wears a
suicide belt to every battle because he is too
chubby to run away if he is cornered and would
choose to blow himself up, rather than be
captured.
ISIS also has a track record of abusing, torturing
and executing prisoners of war. Todenhoefer was
briefly able to speak to a Kurdish captive while in
Mosul. The captive claimed he had not been
tortured, but Todenhoefer said he found that hard
to believe.
"This was a broken man," Todenhoefer said. "It
was very sad to see a person in this state. He was
just very weak and very afraid of his captors."
Todenhoefer conducted the interview with
the prisoner while several ISIS fighters
stood guard. He asked the man whether
he knew what would happen to him.
"I do not know," the captive told him. "My
family does not even know I am still alive.
I hope that maybe there will be some sort
of prisoner exchange."
Child ISIS fighters
Todenhoefer was also taken to see child soldiers
outfitted with Islamic State gear and brandishing
AK-47s. One of the boys seemed very young but
claimed he had already gone to battle for ISIS.
"How old are you?" Todenhoefer asked.
"I am 13 years old," the boy replied -- though he
looked even younger than that.
One of the most remarkable episodes of
Todenhoefer's trip to the ISIS-controlled region
came when he was able to conduct an interview
with a German fighter who spoke on behalf of
ISIS's leadership.
The man -- clearly unapologetic about the group's
transgressions -- vowed there was more to come;
he also issued a warning to Europe and the United
States.
"So you also want to come to Europe?"
Todenhoefer asked him.
"No, we will conquer Europe one day," the man
said. "It is not a question of if we will conquer
Europe, just a matter of when that will happen.
But it is certain ... For us, there is no such thing as
borders. There are only front lines.
"Our expansion will be perpetual ... And
the Europeans need to know that when we
come, it will not be in a nice way. It will be
with our weapons. And those who do not
convert to Islam or pay the Islamic tax will
be killed."
Todenhoefer asked the fighter about their
treatment of other religions, especially
Shia Muslims.
"What about the 150 million Shia, what if
they refuse to convert?" Todenhoefer
asked.
"150 million, 200 million or 500 million, it
does not matter to us," the fighter
answered. "We will kill them all."
Beheadings
The interview became testy when they
reached the topic of beheadings and
enslavement, especially of female captives.
"So do you seriously think that beheadings
and enslavement actually signal progress
for humanity?" Todenhoefer asked.
"Slavery absolutely signals progress," the
man said. "Only ignorant people believe that there
is no slavery among the Christians and the Jews.
Of course there are woman who are forced into
prostitution under the worst circumstances.
"I would say that slavery is a great help to us and
we will continue to have slavery and beheadings, it
is part of our religion ... many slaves have
converted to Islam and have then been freed."
The ISIS spokesman blamed the beheading of
captured Western journalists and aid workers on
the policies of the United States.
"People should really think about the case of
James Foley," he said. "He did not get killed
because we started the battle. He got killed
because of the ignorance of his government that
did not give him any help."
Even with recent gains by Kurdish forces against
ISIS in northern Iraq, Todenhoefer sees the
extremist group as entrenched, building state
institutions, and that it shows no sign of losing its
grip in the main areas it controls in Iraq and Syria.
"I think the Islamic State is a lot more dangerous
than Western leaders realize," he said. "They
believe in what they are fighting for and are
preparing the largest religious cleansing
campaign the world has ever seen."
Re: ... by onoja12: 11:51am On Dec 24, 2014
correct both islam and Christians come from one source which is Abraham,so in my view remove both and have peace,since Christianity came to Africa.there has been no peace rather the society as degenerated to worse than Sodom

brownlord:


I know Christian says Jesus is the "Prince of Peace" i wonder what muslims will say about Muhammed.

Remove islam and the world will have peace
Re: ... by brownlord: 11:53am On Dec 24, 2014
onoja12:
correct both islam and Christians come from one source which is Abraham,so in my view remove both and have peace,.since Christianity came to Africathere has been no peace rather the society as degenerated to worse than Sodom


Please educate me more on this
Re: ... by onoja12: 1:28pm On Dec 24, 2014
Christianity came with slavery and exploitation,it came with greed,it came with deception,it came with power drunkenness,it came with division,it came with bigotry,it came with discrimination,it came with brain washing and destruction most of all it came with hatred

brownlord:


Please educate me more on this
Re: ... by onoja12: 1:34pm On Dec 24, 2014
you don't need to look far,just examine the virtues of society in the days of old,there was no stealing,people traded in the market without been there,there was no prison. and never was it recorded in history that people fought over religious believes or where divided on religion lines,today look at the society two foreign religions destroying every where and this two religion are from one source,a source that records have shown was very deceptive


brownlord:


Please educate me more on this
Re: ... by Fash20: 2:23pm On Dec 24, 2014
Make I book first-class ticket for front page.

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