THE VISION

What did Brother Sadiq see?

After a forty-day fast that I was requested to go through by the Lord, in the place of prayer, I suddenly saw light around me and then heard the audible voice of the Lord saying, “Men have seen the sky, the sun, moon and stars, the mountains and the hills and yet they fear Me not; I will not hold My peace anymore, I am coming to judge the earth.”



MY GOING DOWN INTO HELL

When the Lord told me that the people in destruction are going to hell except they repent, then I asked the Lord “Can I see the place?” He said “Yes, you can see hell because you asked in a right way”.

The Lord said “Come with me” and the next thing I saw is that we were walking together in hell. When we got to hell, the Lord said to me, “This is the place you wanted to see, don’t be afraid because of who I will allow you to see, and what I will show you.” The place was very terrible. It was dark and I could hear screams of billions upon billions of people, men and women. Though the place was dark, I could still see because the light of God was shining. His face was shining like the sun in its strength. I saw the flames of fire looking reddish and multitudes of people as though they were swimming in the fire. The people I was allowed to speak to were in their individual pits of fire. These pits of fire are literally billions upon billions! They would try to come out of the pit, but it was as if the fire would melt them. I saw billions upon billions of demons running around. These demons were more or less making mockery of those there.

The Lord said “I will allow you to talk with three men who were top preachers from your country but are now in hell.”These are people I never met or knew on earth. Each of these men introduced himself to me and acknowledged that he deserved to be there in hell.

The first person I talked with was Archbishop Benson Idahosa (Church of God Mission International).

When I saw his state of suffering in hell, then I asked him some questions.

Q. Why are you here?

A. Covetousness and I was full of self-righteousness while I was on earth. And I deserve to be here.

Q. Are you used to the pains and the suffering?

A. No. The suffering is new every day.

Q. For how long have you been here?

A. Thirteen (13) years

Q. What if I want to come here where you are?

A. If you want to, you are welcome.

While I was talking with him his flesh would melt as if acid was poured on his face. All the time he was talking with me, he was in torment in his own pit of fire.

The next person I talked with was Baba Paul Gindiri (New Life for All). While he was looking at me, he was screaming in his own pit of fire. As he would try to talk, fire would come from his mouth melting his throat. Then the throat came back again and he was able to talk with me. As he was talking there was fire burning even inside his head and he was in real torment.

Q. Why are you here?

A. My works brought me here

Q. What works?

A. Guile (deceit, hypocrisy, falsehood)

Q. But I was touched by some of your messages I have listened to, yet you are here. Is your message that we are listening to also going to bring us here?

A. No

Q. Why?

A. If you allow the Spirit of the Lord to lead you and not your human mind, your life will glorify God through the messages.

The next person I spoke with was Pastor Philip Mokungah (Oasis Church, Plateau state). He was talking with me with his head upside down. The Lord says that was the state of his punishment at that hour.

Q. Who are you and why are you here?

A. I was Pastor Philip Mokungah. Now I know I am nothing and my self-will brought me here. And I’ve already sowed the seed of self-will and selfish desire in my family. The more it grows the more my punishment in hell increases. I was walking right with God then I gave room to the devil and he cut me off. He succeeded through my desire and at the end I divorced my wife. This was the first step that separated me from God. And I took it very lightly. Now I am here as a result of my self-will.

He also gave me a message for his family.

While I was talking with him, I also saw a woman who was a very popular female preacher from Nigeria – She introduced herself saying, “See me, see me, see me, Bimbo Odukoya,” but I was not allowed to talk to her but she was allowed to talk to me. She said what brought her there was secret sin, though she did not state what the secret sin was. The Lord made it clear that it was iniquity that took her there.

Ten other people spoke to me but I was not allowed by the Lord to speak to them. Eight of them are of other nationalities (Non-Nigerians).

There was a man I met in Indonesia where I went preaching in 2009. He said he was in hell because of wrong counseling. He was a counselor who was giving people wrong counsel.
One of them said he is there because of the spirit of irresponsibility.
Another said he came there because of gossip.
Another said he is there because of the spirit of bitterness.
A lady said she came there because of lying in the name of God.
There was a young man who said he was arrested while on earth for preaching the gospel and the devil cut him off in prison where he compromised his faith.
There was a woman who was just wailing but I could not pick out her words.
There was an elderly man who said he wished he was me because looking at me I was not feeling what he was feeling.
I saw a young girl with a very long hair with different colors. She was an occultic girl who was in the choir of her church.
The last person was a young man. He said he called himself into the ministry because he desired to help God. The hand of the Lord was not on him and therefore no grace. He went to so-called men of God seeking anointing of the Holy Spirit. As they prayed, they transferred the same evil spirits in them into him. He gave a message – “Be careful of those you allow to lay hands on you.”
The three men the Lord allowed me to speak with were very popular preachers. God, however, is not a respecter of persons for He is a just judge.

Acts 10:34-35:

“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him.

Rom 2:11:

“For there is no respect of persons with God.”

Rom. 11:22:

“Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.”



THE RAPTURE

What does the Scripture say concerning the rapture of the ready saints?

1 Thess. 4:16-18:

“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

1 Thess. 5:1-11:

“But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night.

But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.”

Rev 22:10-12:

“And he said to me, “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand. He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.

And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. ”

The Lord showed me an open vision of the rapture before He took me down to hell. The first person I saw in the vision was the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. I have seen Him on several occasions before now so I know Him.

The Lord ALLOWED me to see the PRESENT CONDITION (not FUTURE DESTINATION!) of everyone He has privileged me to meet in my two and half year’s journey with Him. As well as many others that I have never met including those the Lord said I will meet in future.

1. I saw those who were going up in glory with the Lord.

2. I saw those were going down in destruction.



Those in Category 2 were far more in number compared to those in Category 1.

There were those who were not seen in Category 1 or 2. The Lord says these ones are hiding in darkness for there is nothing hidden in the Light.

Most of the ministers who were going up in glory, the Lord says, are not the popular ministers known by men on earth but are known by Him. However, I saw some ministers of the gospel that I know.

Most of the major ministers in Nigeria were seen going down in destruction. The Lord says this is the season of judgment. He says He cannot bear any longer what they are doing in His name for He is coming to judge the earth, yet it is not too late if they repent; but He says, “If you refuse to be sincere with yourself and repent, you know where you are going – your destiny is eternal destruction.”Just some of the major ministers among the so many ministers in destruction are going to be mentioned here for the purpose of their redemption. The Lord says it is not His will for you to be where you are right now and you know it.



These include Pastor Enoch Adeboye (Redeemed Christian Church of God), Bishop David Oyedepo (Living Faith Church), Pastor Tunde Bakare (Latter Rain Assembly), Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor (President, Christian Association of Nigeria), Dr. Olukoya (Mountain of Fire and Miracles), Matthew Ashimolowo (Kingsway Church, United Kingdom), Pastor Chris Oyakhilome (Christ Embassy), Pastor T.B. Joshua (Synagogue of All Nations), Chris Okotie (Household of God), Evangelist Uma Ukpai and many others!



I have never met or known any of these ministers. However, some of these ministers were brought to me in the place of prayer for intercession during the forty-day fast preceding this vision. The Lord introduced them to me as lost ministers.



Christian national leaders from other countries include –Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Bishop T.D. Jakes, Billy Graham, Joyce Meyer, Rod Parsley, Myles Munroe, Mike Murdock, Paula White, Ron Kenoly, Pastor Donnie McClurkin, Pat Robertson, Reinhard Bonkke, Pope Benedict, David Yongi Cho, Duncan Williams and many others!



The essence of mentioning these names is for these people to be warned by those who know them and love them so there can be a change in their ways before it is too late! My responsibility is to simply report what I saw and to warn, so I am free of their blood. There are many other lost ministers whose names cannot be listed here, but let everyone examine himself before the searchlight of the Holy Spirit. Each of us must confront ourselves with the gospel of truth before it is too late forever!

Ezek. 3:17-21:

“Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore hear a word from My mouth, and give them warning from Me: When I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

“Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him, he shall die; because you did not give him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man that the righteous should not sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; also you will have delivered your soul.”

Ezek. 33:7-11:

“So you, son of man: I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore you shall hear a word from My mouth and warn them for Me. When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

“Therefore you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel: ‘Thus you say, “If our transgressions and our sins lie upon us, and we pine away in them, how can we then live?”‘ Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?”

what a lie. please does hell exist. if so, there are so many question one need to ask.......

The truth is like a double-edged sword which if received reverently could comfort us and if rejected could crush us (Heb. 4:12-13).

This vision is a demonstration of grace and love from the FATHER-HEART OF GOD.



I saw many national leaders including President Barrack Obama and President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan going down in destruction. They also must be warned!

When I looked at the people who were going up with the Lord, they were very calm, at peace and full of joy.

When I looked down at the people in destruction, I was surprised because some of them are supposed to be the people of God that I know. They were crying out in agony and pain. Yet the Lord said there was nothing He could do except they repent. At this point I had questions in my mind. Then the Lord told me to ask questions.

Q. Where is the destination of these people who are going up with You?

A. They are coming to be with Me where I prepared for them.

Q. For those going down in destruction, where is their destination?

A. They are going down to hell except they repent.

Q. Why are these people in destruction?



1. Hypocrisy – what they are in their mouth is not what they are in their heart.

Matt 15:7-9:

“Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: “These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”

2. Submitting to the spirit of paranoid that does not allow them to see sin as God sees it, thus making light what is serious in His sight. This spirit works directly against the Spirit of Truth.

John 16:13-14:

“However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you”.

Consequently, they are not pure in heart, for only the pure in heart will see God (Matt 5:

“Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord.” Heb. 12:14.

Coming out of Hell

After the Lord brought me out of hell, I was back in the light were I was before. Then I said, “Lord, can I ask a question?” He answered, “Why not”. “Lord, why did you allow me to have this experience. I’m afraid seeing these men in hell?” Then the Lord said to me, “I allowed you to see these men in hell because of the message you are carrying for this generation.” I now asked the Lord, “Can I carry this message of seeing these people who labored in Your vineyard, and yet ended up in hell?” The Lord said to me, “That is their choice. They knew the truth but they refused to confront themselves with the truth but others. You can carry the message because of the anointing that is upon your life”. “But Lord, You anointed these men as well and yet they have ended up in hell!” “It is because of their choice. If you also choose the wrong road like them, you will end up where they are. But my desire is that you continue on the right road”. This warning, of course, applies to all those going up with the Lord in glory! “What about those people who listen to their messages, would they be saved or lost like them?” “If they believe in Me, it is not their message, it is My message”.



Then the Lord raised His two hands and was leaving. Then I asked Him, “Lord, when are you coming to take us?” He said, “I Myself do not know, only the Father”;as He said this, He was looking up towards heaven. After this He went up. There were many angels with Him in the clouds and they went back with Him.

The end of the vision

After they left, as I looked, I was shocked to find myself still in the place of prayer where I first knelt before the Lord the previous day, 2nd of September 2011. I realized I had been with the Lord for about twenty-four hours yet there was no weariness or weakness in my body. Then an anointing came upon me and the names of some of the people I had seen in the vision began coming to me especially the lost ministers, for prayer. I was given specific prayer points for each of them. The general prayer for all the lost ministers is for God to open their spiritual eyes to see the need to confront themselves with the gospel of Truth.

After this I gave thanks to the Lord for about an hour. I called Pastor Kelvin Stewart (my pastor) who said he tried to reach me the previous day without succeeding. He was assured by the Lord that I was alright, that I was with Him and would call early in the morning, which is what happened.

Pastor Kelvin has shared the vision with the people with whom we are relating as it affects them and there has been genuine repentance amongst us. Like I stated, the purpose of this revelation from the Lord is for REDEMPTION. Some of those mentioned have, with great humility and openness, made contact and sorting things out with God.

Why the vision?

It is a warning and a wake-up call.

To save the lost ministers, and sinners in and outside the organized Church.
To fit the saved for greater service in the Kingdom of God.
THE TIME IS AT HAND.

MEN MUST BOW TO WORSHIP THE KING – JESUS!

AND THEN ARISE TO ESTABLISH HIS KINGDOM WHERE WE LIVE AND WORK!

MAY WE BE FOUND RAPTURE- READY!



This testimony can be reproduced with permission.

Contact the author – Bro. Sadiq Ibrahim: +234-8038411672 Or Bro. Kelvin Stewart : +234-8037258581



NOTE ESPECIALLY

Whatever questions you have from this mini-book, the Lord wants you to ask Him first.

John 10:27-28:

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.”

Jesus said,

Mark 9:43-50:

“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched — where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’

And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched — where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’

And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire — where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’

For everyone will be seasoned with fire, and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt. Salt is good, but if the salt loses its flavor, how will you season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace with one another.”

Conclusion

As you have read this book, dear friend, if you have not given your life to Christ and you desire to do so from your heart please pray the prayer below. Also, if you have just been a religious person, just going to church but you know you have no relationship with Christ as your head or you are a backslider. If you desire that Christ give you a pure life now you have a divine opportunity. Truly you are making the greatest decision in your life.

The End

* I would like you to pray this prayer right away, if you want Jesus to come into your heart:

Heavenly Father, I come to You admitting that I am a sinner (Romans 3:23). Right now I choose to turn away from sin, and I ask you to cleanse me, by Your blood, of all unrighteousness. I believe that Your Son, Jesus, died on the cross to take away all my sins.

I also believe that He rose again from the dead so that I may be justified and made righteous through faith in Him (Romans 6:23). I call upon the name of Jesus Christ, to be the Savior and Lord of my life (Acts 2:21). Dear Lord, I choose to follow You, and I ask that you fill me with the power of the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:3).

I hereby renounce the power of Satan and sin over my life, declaring that I am now a born-again child of God (Romans 10:9-10). I am free from sin and full of the righteousness of God, in Jesus’ name I pray, Amen.

If you just prayed this prayer by faith, the Word of God has promised that you are now BORN AGAIN! (II Corinthians 5:17). Welcome to the Kingdom of God! Now you have brothers and sisters all around the world. This is the most important decision that you have ever made. Take full advantage of it. Don’t go back into the world. The world leads to death, but the fear of God leads to eternal life. At each moment you need to live like it is the last day, and the last time of your life.

Four steps will help you to grow in faith and grace:

1. Read the Bible (I Peter 2:2)

2. Pray (Romans 12:12)

3. Attend Church (Hebrews 10: 25)

4. Share Christ with others (II Corinthians 5:18-20)

REAL VIDEOS OF HELL BY DIVINE REVELATION. SAVE YOURSELF AND SAVE OTHERS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9KI4rSXw4

This revelation in as much as it is a call for repentance does not entirely reflect some truths about Hell Fire in the Bible.
First, Hell Fire will be commissioned at the end when Satan, his false Prophets and the people he deceived will be finally removed from the scene (Read the book of Revelations for proper perspective)
Satan at this moment according to the Bible doesn't live in Hellfire
Second, Jesus was said to have preached to the dead persons locked up in Hell(Not Hellfire ), from Adam to the time of Jesus' death. The gate of Hell was opened and those prisoners were released. The Saints visited the relatives at the time of Jesus' Resurrection
Third, the story of the Rich man and Lazarus, a great analogy of the structure of Hell(not Hellfire ) by Jesus himself shows that the dead who were in Hell could not interact with the living let alone granting an Interview from Hell
Four, some demons are in abyss and Hellfire was not used in the Bible interchangeably with abyss

Topgainer:
This revelation in as much as it is a call for repentance does not entirely reflect some truths about Hell Fire in the Bible.
First, Hell Fire will be commissioned at the end when Satan, his false Prophets and the people he deceived will be finally removed from the scene (Read the book of Revelations for proper perspective)
Satan at this moment according to the Bible doesn't live in Hellfire
Second, Jesus was said to have preached to the dead persons locked up in Hell(Not Hellfire ), from Adam to the time of Jesus' death. The gate of Hell was opened and those prisoners were released. The Saints visited the relatives at the time of Jesus' Resurrection
Third, the story of the Rich man and Lazarus, a great analogy of the structure of Hell(not Hellfire ) by Jesus himself shows that the dead who were in Hell could not interact with the living let alone granting an Interview from Hell
Four, some demons are in abyss and Hellfire was not used in the Bible interchangeably with abyss

what are u insinuating? That Hell doesnt exist at the moment?
Must it be mentioned as "Hellfire" in the bible before u know its Hellfire? Hell and Hellfire are thesame ok. Get things right ok. If the rich man in the times of lazarus felt terrible sorrow to the extent that he begged for a drop of water which certainly will never be enough to satisfy his taste, does that not tell u the extent of his sorrow in Hell? Talking about end time, if the richman went to Hell immediatly after death in the bible that alone explains that Hell takes effect on evil people immediatly after death. Please whenever u read ur bible try and meditate properly before running into conclusion. End time punishment is ment for evil guys who are still alive then ok.

How comes no vision of hell is consistent with the other?

Heaven is created for us mankind not for God. The rules and guide to get there is well spelt out in the bible. All u need to do is to read and practicallise it simple.

pls i would like to know if there are no hardened sinners like witches and wizards ,idolaters robbers, adulterers etc in hell . Since God is merciful and forgiving he should pls forgive those who have preached to win souls for him(but who can query him sha)? my humble submission.

Walahi satan don hook dis one wela

Bro Sadiq. My God, I am short of words. You r so ignorant of the word of God that u just ended up messing urself up. Didn't you see your prophet Mohammed( curse be upon him) in hell? He married a 6 yrs old child, disvirgined her at 9yrs, died on top of her having sex when she was 18yrs old. You didn't see him in hell, but u saw the entire christian preachers. May the curse of jehovah never depart from ur linage. The bible you quoted from told you that hell fire is commisioned? For your info, hell is a place build, and preserve for satan and his demons, and for sorts like u. You r so blind with hate that you can't understand even wen u read it. Satan is not in charge of hell u slowpoke. No one is. God build hell to purnish Satan, how can satan rule over his place of doom? Wen in hell, everyone is equal, no satan or humans there. Lol, you where granted an interview in hell. Even when Abraham told the rich man that no one from this side can cross to that side. Jesus gave u a tour of hell agaisnt his own words. You r like ur master the devil, a liar. Wait, is it the hell that Allah is god or the hell were jehovah is God over? Go and sit down.

No man is condmned to hell fire until at dead and judgement. And judgement takes place at the end of time. The Bible says there is hope for a tree even though it be cut down, so long as its roots r still on the groung, if it as much as smells water, it will springup again to life. It also says there is hope to him that isjoined to the living. Until a man dies, u can't rule him out from the redemption plan. oh, you won't know anything about that, would you. At least you admit that jesus died, ressurrected and is alive. Where is ur prophet mohammed(curse be upon him)? Sadiq, you shd have tried hidding that you r a son of slave strange woman.

You just can't stand it that, these preachers messages are turning a great number of Muslims to christ. You come up with this cheap blackmail. The more u guys try, the more we will take over ur children for christ. No one ever went to hell and saw Adolf Hitler, or Sadam Hussein, Arafat, no one ever saw Mohammed with his dick wrap around his neck looking for little girls to rape. All you guys see are men of God.

So Sadiq you took your mobile phone or your camera to hell to video that clip? Hmmm. You are really special, the only guy who was granted interview in hell, called on pastors to be interviewd, the only mortal who was allowd to cross with a material object from the material world to the immaterial world. Wonderful, Sadiq u r so lame. What do they teach u in that your school? Go get a life.

Anas09:
So Sadiq you took your mobile phone or your camera to hell to video that clip? Hmmm. You are really special, the only guy who was granted interview in hell, called on pastors to be interviewd, the only mortal who was allowd to cross with a material object from the material world to the immaterial world. Wonderful, Sadiq u r so lame. What do they teach u in that your school? Go get a life.

NA U SABI OOOO.
LEAVE WETIN DEM WRITE FOR MOTO ENTER MOTO. 99% OF PASTORS ARE FAKE FROM THE INSIDE. FOLLOW NO PASTOR BUT FOLLOW AND PRACTICE THE RAW WORD OF GOD AS IT IS IN THE BIBLE TO SAVE YOUR SOUL AND SAVE OTHERS PERIOD.

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So a loving and Just God can condemn someone to eternity of punishment and torture. . and still claim to be loving and just? what kind of offence can ever merit an eternity of punishment... why is the human idea of justice so so better and more humane than that of a supposedly just God...

(People cant even see when crap was sold to them to keep them in perpetual fear and psychological enslavement)

What kind of barbaric and saddistic God will punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment... 100years of sin with an eternity of punishment (trillions of years are just a like a day compared to the idea of a eternity) Is this justice and does it in anyway look like a product of love?

No its barbaric

What kind of a sweet loving God will be aware that trillions of people are in a burning furnace he put them in, shouting, crying and screaming yet is ok with it... seems to me like a saddist who derive joy in burning things and punishments yet christians claim it is love but its attributes contradicts the very concept of love...

Yahweh (God of judaism and christians) and Allah (islam) are both impossible... mythical abstract beings that only exist within the pages of an ancient, mythical, fable riddled, self contradictory primitive ancient book...

johnydon22:
What kind of barbaric and saddistic God will punish a finite sin with an infinite punishment... 100years of sin with an eternity of punishment (trillions of years are just a like a day compared to the idea of a eternity) Is this justice and does it in anyway look like a product of love?

No its barbaric

1. Not everyone that claims to have a vision is actually truly from God.

2. Hell was not created for humans. But for the rebellious angels. But humans that decide to follow the devil will end up there.

3. The sin that takes one to hell is not "finite" as you think. Its not those stealing, lying e.t.c. It is who the person is. Those small outward sins are fruits of who the person is.

4. God Himself said He is a judge and must always judge sin. God is infinitely great beyond all measure. A small sin against Him is enough to send one to an eternal punishment.

That is why seeing how bad this place of punishment is He has done all he needs to do to show mankind love by sending His Son to die and take care of that. But if you refuse there's nothing He can do. He will have to judge you. And send you to where he locks up anything sinful for all eternity. No one will have an excuse on that day.

God is infinitely great and Holy beyond all human comprehension.
A prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 6 when he saw God's holiness began to condemn Himself. Saying "woe is me for I am undone, for my eyes have seen the Lord of hosts and I am a man of unclean lips and dwell among people of unclean lips".

He is so great He can hold the entire universe in the palm of His hands. The Bible says the heavens of the heavens cannot contain God.

PS: I know your an atheist sha. But just thought I should share that.

Jeromejnr:


1. Not everyone that claims to have a vision is actually truly from God.

I am not arguing over the guy's vision of hell... the guy was dreaming for crying out loud..

Jeromejnr:

2. Hell was not created for humans. But for the rebellious angels. But humans that decide to follow the devil will end up there.

Hell was not created for humans but yet humans end up there... Do you even hear yourself? So this God don't even know exactly what he plans on doing with hell...(A zoo is meant for animals and not humans but humans who behave like animals will end up in zoo) check out how preposterous this shiiiit sounds

Jeromejnr:

3. The sin that takes one to hell is not "finite" as you think. Its not those stealing, lying e.t.c. It is who the person is. Those small outward sins are fruits of who the person is.

am starting to wonder sins that are infinte... Even life is finite, am starting to wonder how a finite life cab bore out something infinite (infinite sin) can you give me an example of an infinite sin?

Jeromejnr:

4. God Himself said He is a judge and must always judge sin. God is infinitely great beyond all measure. A small sin against Him is enough to send one to an eternal punishment.

He should first judge himself cus our basic sense of morality is way better than that of this mythical idea (god)

Jeromejnr:

That is why seeing how bad this place of punishment is He has done all he needs to do to show mankind love by sending His Son to die and take care of that. But if you refuse there's nothing He can do. He will have to judge you. And send you to where he locks up anything sinful for all eternity. No one will have an excuse on that day.

Since he doesnt want any humans to go to hell then why dont he just not send any human there, why create hell at all, so he makes hell to torture you, torture and kill his son to to save you from something he made for you... why make it at all in the first place.. why use your son as a human sacrifice to yourself before you can forgive sins, why not forgive it without having to murder or kill anyone...

Jeromejnr:

God is infinitely great and Holy beyond all human comprehension.
A prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 6 when he saw God's holiness began to condemn Himself. Saying "woe is me for I am undone, for my eyes have seen the Lord of hosts and I am a man of unclean lips and dwell among people of unclean lips".

He is so great He can hold the entire universe in the palm of His hands. The Bible says the heavens of the heavens cannot contain God.

PS: I know your an atheist sha. But just thought I should share that.

Lmao... Am wondering your criteria for holiness, a God that you believe wiped the whole earth out with flood without considering the little children is holy?
you need your concept of holiness checked again..

He is so great that he can hold the universe in the palm of his hands but yet is so imcompetent and confided only to in the pages of a poorly worked ancient primitive book on tiny earth... ooh god is so great and loving

johnydon22:
I am not arguing over the guy's vision of hell... the guy was dreaming for crying out loud..

Hell was not created for humans but yet humans end up there... Do you even hear yourself? So this God don't even know exactly what he plans on doing with hell...(A zoo is meant for animals and not humans but humans who behave like animals will end up in zoo) check out how preposterous this shiiiit sounds

am starting to wonder sins that are infinte... Even life is finite, am starting to wonder how a finite life cab bore out something infinite (infinite sin) can you give me an example of an infinite sin?

He should first judge himself cus our basic sense of morality is way better than that of this mythical idea (god)

Since he doesnt want any humans to go to hell then why dont he just not send any human there, why create hell at all, so he makes hell to torture you, torture and kill his son to to save you from something he made for you... why make it at all in the first place.. why use your son as a human sacrifice to yourself before you can forgive sins, why not forgive it without having to murder or kill anyone...


Lmao... Am wondering your criteria for holiness, a God that you believe wiped the whole earth out with flood without considering the little children is holy?
you need your concept of holiness checked again..

He is so great that he can hold the universe in the palm of his hands but yet is so imcompetent and confided only to in the pages of a poorly worked ancient primitive book on tiny earth... ooh god is so great and loving

All this knowledge you are trying to find out is beyond you.

Jeromejnr:


All this knowledge you are trying to find out is beyond you.

Cus its myth huh?

johnydon22:


Cus its myth huh?

Naaa! Cus its spiritual.

Jeromejnr:


Naaa! Cus its spiritual.

myth...

johnydon22:


myth...

So called "Myth" that has stood the test of time. Never has once been declared its a myth like the Greek or Egyptian mythology.

Jeromejnr:


So called "Myth" that has stood the test of time. Never has once been declared its a myth like the Greek or Egyptian mythology.

lolzz the egyptian and greek mythology by far predates that of christians.
those mythologies have influenced the people during their own time but have slipped down the waterfall of mythology now even most stories in the bible are classified myths.. google list of creation stories and see..

So this fable of Godman Jesus will soon go down the drain of mythology when given enought time remember it is barely 2thousand years old..lol.

And am sure if it was the egyptian mythology and the greek mythology that the white missionaries brought here in africa, you still would believe it like this one they gave u.

the fable of jesus was influenced by many mythology from different civilization... eg horus from egyptian mythology influences the story, mithras from roman mythology, apollo from greek mythology all contributed in making this fine nice fable you now hype... SO SOMEHOW YOU STILL BELIEVE THE EGYPTIAN AND GREEK MYTHOLOGY AND SOMEHOW IT STILL LINGERS TILL NOW

btw this mythical hell you now hype and fear is still as a result of greek mythology (tartarus) adopted by the christians... [size=20] see who doesnt believe in greek myth [/size]

johnydon22:


lolzz the egyptian and greek mythology by far predates that of christians.
those mythologies have influenced the people during their own time but have slipped down the waterfall of mythology now even most stories in the bible are classified myths.. google list of creation stories and see..

So this fable of Godman Jesus will soon go down the drain of mythology when given enought time remember it is barely 2thousand years old..lol.

And am sure if it was the egyptian mythology and the greek mythology that the white missionaries brought here in africa, you still would believe it like this one they gave u.

the fable of jesus was influenced by many mythology from different civilization... eg horus from egyptian mythology influences the story, mithras from roman mythology, apollo from greek mythology all contributed in making this fine nice fable you now hype... SO SOMEHOW YOU STILL BELIEVE THE EGYPTIAN AND GREEK MYTHOLOGY AND SOMEHOW IT STILL LINGERS TILL NOW

You will wait tire to see if it will go down the drain

Why waste time loving when its all pointless. Afterall according to your belief we will all cease to exist one day.

I will like to get more insight into your way of reasoning.

Jeromejnr:


You will wait tire to see if it will go down the drain

Why waste time loving when its all pointless. Afterall according to your belief we will all cease to exist one day.

I will like to get more insight into your way of reasoning.

You see? Your reason for believing in all this because you cannot imagine not existing anymore..

but when you understand how you were before you came into existence (birth) you will know how it will be when you go out of existence (death).

Their is every point in loving because i am in existence now and that is all that matters not wishing to get another life when you have not finished living this one.

I am not asking you to reason or think like me, I am asking you to reason and think not believe any mythical crap you see...think outside the box of all you have been indoctrinated into from birth...

you believe in existence after death now answer this question

[size=20] Ask urself assuming their is life after death in what extension will you exist,
in this planet earth our extension is the human body, we have form.
eyes, nose, mouth tongue, hands, feet, brain, lungs and all this are possible
because we have flesh then if their is a conscious soul that exists after
death in what state? in what form or extension will it exist since we all know
all the things i mentioned above are all human traits.[/size]

johnydon22:


You see? Your reason for believing in all this because you cannot imagine not existing anymore..

but when you understand how you were before you came into existence (birth) you will know how it will be when you go out of existence (death).

Their is every point in loving because i am in existence now and that is all that matters not wishing to get another life when you have not finished living this one.

I am not asking you to reason or think like me, I am asking you to reason and think not believe any mythical crap you see...think outside the box of all you have been indoctrinated into from birth...

you believe in existence after death now answer this question

[size=20] Ask urself assuming their is life after death in what extension will you exist,
in this planet earth our extension is the human body, we have form.
eyes, nose, mouth tongue, hands, feet, brain, lungs and all this are possible
because we have flesh then if their is a conscious soul that exists after
death in what state? in what form or extension will it exist since we all know
all the things i mentioned above are all human traits.[/size]

Everything in the physical are but a shadow of the spiritual.

But like I said before, all this knowledge is beyond you.

Jeromejnr:


Everything in the physical are but a shadow of the spiritual.

But like I said before, all this knowledge is beyond you.

lolzzz why dont you just answer the question spiritual genius