I just read an excellent OpEd from the New York Times that speaks to the heart of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

The OpEd is in blue and my comments is in red. Leave your comments . . .

Crisis Imperils 2-State Plan, Shifting a Balance

CAIRO — With every image of the dead in Gaza inflaming people across the Arab world, Egyptian and Jordanian officials are worried that they see a fundamental tenet of the Middle East peace process slipping away: the so-called two-state solution, an independent Palestinian state coexisting with Israel.

Egypt and Jordan fear that they will be pressed to absorb the Palestinian populations now living beyond their borders. If Israel does not assume responsibility for humanitarian aid in Gaza, for example, pressure could compel Egypt to fill the vacuum; Jordan, in turn, worries that Israel will try to push Palestinians from the West Bank into its territory.

Comment -[/b]In 1967, Israel seized Gaza and the West Bank from Egypt and Jordan respectively. It is interesting to note that all these arabs who cry the loudest about a Gaza "holocaust" are themselves unwilling to host their own brethren! What is it about these "palestinians" that even fellow arabs are scared of?

In Egypt, where leaders have been castigated for refusing to keep open the Rafah crossing to Gaza, officials have argued that they are bound by the agreement on border security that followed Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza. But there is an underlying subtext to their message: that Gaza is not Egypt’s problem.

[b]“Gaza is no longer Egypt’s responsibility, and Egypt is determined not to take it back,” said Abdel Raoud el-Reedy, a former ambassador to the United States who is the chairman of the Egyptian Council for Foreign Affairs.

Egypt controlled Gaza, a 140-square-mile coastal strip, until the 1967 war with Israel. Now, Egypt is trying to negotiate a cease-fire there, because resolving the conflict is very much in its interests. Representatives of Hamas were in Cairo on Sunday and representatives from Israel were expected to arrive Monday, officials said.

Comment - Interesting that so many morons here cry so much about Israel "violating" resolution 242. Well its hard to comply to such a resolution if Egypt wont take back Gaza anyway.

Jordanians, too, are anxious. “It is a real concern in Jordan,” said Adnan Abu Odeh, who was an adviser to King Hussein.

While the prospect of having to absorb the West Bank may be remote, Jordan does not want to have to do so, fearing it would destroy the fabric of society in the country, where about half the population is of Palestinian origin.

“This kind of formula means a Palestinian loss of their land and a Jordanian loss of their identity,” Mr. Odeh said.

Comment - Mr. Odeh is being economical with the truth. Now we know that about half of Jordan is palestinian (so much for Israeli occupation eh), the remaining half are from Saudi Arabia . . . note that the British gave Jordan as a gift NOT to the arab or jewish inhabitants but to the sons of the Sharif of Mecca in reward for not attacking the French in Syria in 1922.

Mr. Odeh does not want the "palestinians" (who are essentially disenfranchised and deliberately dispossessed Jordanians) because they will "destroy the fabric of Jordanian society" . . . are these the same Jordanians who are loudly promoting the fraudulent "right of return"?
So now we know that their right of return hubris is really a back-door plan to destroy the fabric of society. If arabs are afraid of other arabs why should Jews trust them?

Mr. Odeh says Jordan being forced to accept its own citizens it keeps in concentration camps is tantamount to "loss of their land". I ask him . . . which "land"? They already lost "their land" when you kicked them out of Jordan in 1970 for daring to overthrow your saudi King!

Very interesting piece but i could only post the few i found addressed salient issues that most people here do not bother to probe. Now we know the "palestinians" are simply an arab-created phenomenon designed ostensibly to destroy the Jewish nation from within. Their experiment has failed now it threatens to blow up in their faces.

Can we simply ask Jordan and Egypt a simple question . . . why are they deliberately violating resolution 242?

Comment -In 1967, Israel seized Gaza and the West Bank from Egypt and Jordan respectively. It is interesting to note that all these arabs who cry the loudest about a Gaza "holocaust" are themselves unwilling to host their own brethren!  Shocked What is it about these "palestinians" that even fellow arabs are scared of?

You wrote that yourself "Seized". Then what makes Israel a responsible state? There are millions of Palestinians all over the middle-east region. Why would they invite the responsibility of creating refugee centers in their country? Though Egypt's action of closing or blocking the Rafah crossings is celebrated by Israel.

Comment - Interesting that so many morons here cry so much about Israel "violating" resolution 242. Well its hard to comply to such a resolution if Egypt wont take back Gaza anyway.

Are you trying to say Egypt should take over Gaza strip? It seems you are even out of your Zionists ideas.

Comment - Mr. Odeh is being economical with the truth. Now we know that about half of Jordan is palestinian (so much for Israeli occupation eh), the remaining half are from Saudi Arabia . . . note that the British gave Jordan as a gift NOT to the arab or jewish inhabitants but to the sons of the Sharif of Mecca in reward for not attacking the French in Syria in 1922.

And now where is Jordan? Is with King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz or Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz?

Mr. Odeh does not want the "palestinians" (who are essentially disenfranchised and deliberately dispossessed Jordanians) because they will "destroy the fabric of Jordanian society" . . . are these the same Jordanians who are loudly promoting the fraudulent "right of return"?  Grin
So now we know that their right of return hubris is really a back-door plan to destroy the fabric of society. If arabs are afraid of other arabs why should Jews trust them?

Mr. Odeh says Jordan being forced to accept its own citizens it keeps in concentration camps  is tantamount to "loss of their land". I ask him . . . which "land"? They already lost "their land" when you kicked them out of Jordan in 1970 for daring to overthrow your saudi King!

No, It is not a matter of being afraid of fellow Arabs, the governments of these countries I believe are also interested in seeing an Independent Palestinian state, are you expecting them to return back after they have settled in another place? Palestinians are everywhere in the Middle East, and bet me, any Palestinian that got the opportunity leaves the country. Because of the Israel terrorizing actions.

Very interesting piece but i could only post the few i found addressed salient issues that most people here do not bother to probe. Now we know the "palestinians" are simply an arab-created phenomenon designed ostensibly to destroy the Jewish nation from within. Their experiment has failed now it threatens to blow up in their faces.

In response to the above, I quote

The 1937 Peel Commission proposal. A British Royal Commission led by Lord Peel examined the Palestine question beginning late in 1936. Its report, published in July 1937, recommended the creation of a small Jewish state in a region less than 1/5 of the total area of Palestine. The remainder was to be joined to Transjordan except for some parts, including Jerusalem, that would remain under British control.

The Arab population in the Jewish areas was to be removed, by force if necessary, and vice versa, although this would mean the movement of far more Arabs than Jews. The Zionist leaders accepted the proposal, while the Arab leadership rejected the proposal outright. Two more partition plans were also considered: Plan B (map) and Plan C (map). It all came to nothing, as the British government had shelved the proposal altogether by the middle of 1938. In February 1939, the St. James Conference convened in London, but the Arab delegation refused to formally meet with its Jewish counterpart or to recognize them. The Conference ended on March 17, 1939 without making any progress.

On May 17, 1939, the British government issued the White Paper of 1939, in which the idea of partitioning the Mandate was abandoned in favor of Jews and Arabs sharing one government and put strict quotas on further Jewish immigration. Due to impending World War II and the opposition from all sides, the plan was dropped.

Can you see now how Palestine exists before 1947?

Can we simply ask Jordan and Egypt a simple question . . . why are they deliberately violating resolution 242?

From a legal and moral perspective, Israel's actions on Gaza legitimize Egypt's and Jordan's action to close their crossing.

It is so funny how this thing davidylan shoots himself in the foot with this post.

He his full of contracdictions. first he denies there is no occupation and now says Israel seized a land.

His post even highlights Palestinian terittories before state of Israel.

Talking of Egypt and Jordan - there is a difference between the arab people and the arab goverments. These 2 countries govt are nothing but collaborators with Israel and are equally guilty especialliy Mubarak of Egypt. When you say the arabs dont want their bretheren that is false but say mubarak and Abdullah of Jordan.

These despots are supported by the US and e democratically elected govt of Hamas was never recognised what a hypocritical world.

Lagosboy:

It is so funny how this thing davidylan shoots himself in the foot with this post.

Its either you didnt read the oped or my comments at all.

Lagosboy:

He his full of contracdictions. first he denies there is no occupation and now says Israel seized a land.

Israel siezed land from Jordan and Egypt during the 6-day war NOT the palestinians now claiming to be "occupied". HAMAS and FATAH never owned Gaza or the West Bank at any point in time so for them to be singing the "occupation" tune is a fraud. Arafat himself was Egyptian.

Lagosboy:

His post even highlights Palestinian terittories before state of Israel.

which "territories"? Who gave it to them and when were they EVER in charge of their own territories?

Lagosboy:

Talking of Egypt and Jordan - there is a difference between the arab people and the arab goverments. These 2 countries govt are nothing but collaborators with Israel and are equally guilty especialliy Mubarak of Egypt. When you say the arabs don't want their bretheren that is false but say mubarak and Abdullah of Jordan.

Someone said . . . it seems the arab nations who sign peace accords with Israel are regarded as "guilty collaborators" while those baying for blood are lauded as heroes. Speaks volumes to the blood thirsty nature of the islamic ideology really.

Lagosboy:

These despots are supported by the US and e democratically elected govt of Hamas was never recognised what a hypocritical world.

Prior to 1967 they were not despots right?

Hitler was also "democratically elected" doofus. So if al qaeda gets "democratically elected" the world must be forced to recognise a terrorist organization? Take ur head out of your quran for 2 mins and breathe the air of common sense.

Auwal, i will only quote your own article to see how stupid you sound.

[size=13pt]The 1937 Peel Commission proposal. A British Royal Commission led by Lord Peel examined the Palestine question beginning late in 1936. Its report, published in July 1937, recommended the creation of a small Jewish state in a region less than 1/5 of the total area of Palestine. The remainder was to be joined to Transjordan except for some parts, including Jerusalem, that would remain under British control.[/size]

Transjordan = jordan today.

So even your own article agrees that these fraudulent "palestinians" are simply Jordanian idiots left to fester in "refugee camps" and used as a political tool to press for Israel's destruction.

Nuff said really.

davidylan:

Auwal, i will only quote your own article to see how stupid you sound.

[size=13pt]The 1937 Peel Commission proposal. A British Royal Commission led by Lord Peel examined the Palestine question beginning late in 1936. Its report, published in July 1937, recommended the creation of a small Jewish state in a region less than 1/5 of the total area of Palestine. The remainder was to be joined to Transjordan except for some parts, including Jerusalem, that would remain under British control.[/size]

Transjordan = jordan today.

So even your own article agrees that these fraudulent "palestinians" are simply Jordanian idiots left to fester in "refugee camps" and used as a political tool to press for Israel's destruction.

Nuff said really.

Note that in red.

Now is River Niger extended in Nigeria alone?

Transjordan was a former Ottoman territory incorporated into the British Mandate of Palestine in 1921, in this context, Jordan as it is today was separated from Palestine itself.

Britain administered the part west of the Jordan as Palestine, and the part east of the Jordan as Transjordan.

This is the Palestine Mandate Ensign (1927 - 1948)




This is the map of the British Mandate of Palestine