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Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by thoth: 5:15pm On Apr 24, 2015
totima:


But are there no individual geniuses to that are examples?

We have so many musicians, artists, writers, activists, businessmen today.

These are right-brained success stories. Where are our master scientists
Try to understand the problem first, don't grade yourself with criteria that are external to you. example : there are many smart people who worked together to solve the Ebola issue right ? Now find the next Nigerian man(Adult)standing near you and ask him/her the name of just one of them , i can bet all i have that he does not know,maybe you yourself don't have the answer as well. But these guys saved the whole country from annihilation, we all rejoiced but we still don't care or curious enough to know their names nor do we care to add it in the primary school curriculum, but guess what… Mungo Park discovered River Niger and every school kid knows that, meanwhile all the guys that lived along the river NEVER KNEW IT WAS THERE.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Nobody: 5:23pm On Apr 24, 2015
totima:
In other words, EXTREME necessity would be the mother of invention especially for post colonial African blacks. And the immediate threat of extinction/panic would be the spur that Africans need to break out of this shell. If so, wouldn't it make sense to push Africans to a breaking point to elicit the innovation that we so desperately need?

I am still confused though. In our centuries long war with Arabs and Whites (prior to colonization), why didn't we, in the face of immediate danger, employ the use of scientific ingenuity to extricate ourselves from trouble?


Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by thoth: 5:32pm On Apr 24, 2015
totima:
In other words, EXTREME necessity would be the mother of invention especially for post colonial African blacks. And the immediate threat of extinction/panic be the spur that Africans need to break out of this shell. If so, wouldn't it make sense to push Africans to a breaking point to elicit the innovation that we so desperately need?

I am still confused though. In our centuries long war with Arabs and Whites (prior to colonization), why didn't we, in the face of immediate danger, employ the use of scientific ingenuity to extricate ourselves from trouble?


Threat of extermination is necessary not needed to spur development but as i tried to show above that when such threats are present the now dormant capabilities activate themselves which shows we still have these capabilities, it's in our DNA. Colonialism and it's auxiliary systems that maintain African underdevelopment was imposed by force, trauma and under a threat of extermination, for example many towns were wiped out in eastern Nigeria, parents who revolted on the brainwashing of their kids by the white missionaries were imprisoned, miseducation was forcefully imposed, their were killings, duhumanizations,threats,toture and all kinds of barbary used to inflict the subservient self destructive ideology on the subsaharan Africans. Hence a reverse Trauma is needed to forcefully bring the African man out of that mental prison which he fears to exist without. the capabilities he shows are such that are inherent in him, he needs no one to show him or teach him ,he knows it already but the Traumatic repression forbids him from using it. his innate capabilities gets active with Trauma because it was repressed with Trauma, just like you can jump from a two storey building if your house is on fire but you can't on ordinary days, if someone asks you to jump for a million dollars you might laugh and promise the person more for him to do the jump.

Egypt lost a War, so was Rome,Ottoman Empire, France(Napoleon), Germany twice. Africans lost in the same category, mind you, some parts of Africa were able to hold Islam in check for centuries. The problem now is that our situation is so bad we can't even free our minds talk less freeing ourselves physically.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Nobody: 7:09pm On Apr 24, 2015
No great scientific minds from Africa for the simple reason the environment, leaders and lack of provision of infrastructure to help those who are interested in science to grow and mature into some of the best people on various fields are not there. They need to take care of malaria and other diseases first, do something about primitive traditions hindering progress in development, innovations, imaginations, creativity and inventions,etc before even coming close to taking the step of producing great mind. There are lot of factor hindering that to happen in Africa.

Imagine a nation like Nigeria where a cattle herdsman is more valuable for a presidential position than a PhD certificate holder. angry lipsrsealed cry
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by awejulius: 7:30pm On Apr 24, 2015
all4naija:
No great scientific minds from Africa for the simple reason the environment, leaders and lack of provision of infrastructure to help those who are interested in science to grow and mature into some of the best people on various fields are not there. They need to take care of malaria and other diseases first, do something about primitive traditions hindering progress in development, innovations, imaginations, creativity and inventions,etc before even coming close to taking the step of producing great mind. There are lot of factor hindering that to happen in Africa.

Imagine a nation like Nigeria where a cattle herdsman is more valuable for a presidential position than a PhD certificate holder. angry lipsrsealed cry
Because your PhD holder could not defend his certificate , besides he has doctorate in animals science not in intelligence.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Nobody: 10:22pm On Apr 24, 2015
awejulius:
Because your PhD holder could not defend his certificate , besides he has doctorate in animals science not in intelligence.

This clearly defines why that nation will not produce brightest or brilliant minds in the scientific fields. You are so petty that you think intelligence is something you study where as it is an individual capacity to produce logical and meaningful means to problem solving, etc. There you go 'cattle herdsman-president sympathizer!'

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Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by cooljude(m): 11:52pm On Apr 24, 2015
@ thoth, i like your post most especially the Biafra part. I wonder why Nigeria did not improve on what Biafra achieved during their time. My prof back in FUTO was once talking about when he was young then in UNN and he worked under his prof ( i can't remember his name). He said they were part of the biafra engineering team and that his prof was among the main people who developed Ogbunigwe and some other innovations. He said this things because he was complaining that studentd of this era were lazy. We tried to persuade him to write a book about this great professor that he adored so much, i don't know if he did. Seriously, until we define who we are and where we place ourselves in this world, we would continue to a be a dependent baby waiting for his mum to feed him.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Fulaman198(m): 12:12am On Apr 25, 2015
This thread is foolish, what about Philip Emeagwali? He's a big name in science
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Nobody: 2:14am On Apr 25, 2015
Fulaman198:
This thread is foolish, what about Philip Emeagwali? He's a big name in science
This is laughable!

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Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Fulaman198(m): 5:53am On Apr 25, 2015
all4naija:
This is laughable!

The only thing laughable is your brain.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by thoth: 6:19am On Apr 25, 2015
cooljude:
@ thoth, i like your post most especially the Biafra part. I wonder why Nigeria did not improve on what Biafra achieved during their time.
Britain advised them to disband RAP team(Research and Production). Do you know that Biafran Nuclear Scientists tried to acquire Uranium to build a nuclear bomb, they have already bought the Uranium and the MI6 captured it in Belgium.

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Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by thoth: 6:20am On Apr 25, 2015
Fulaman198:


The only thing laughable is your brain.
Please, i implore you to ignore that guy,whatever he might post just ignore him.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by ololo12: 6:33am On Apr 25, 2015
Wow! I'm surprise. Are you sure Biafran nuclear scientist tried to acquire uranium to build a nuclear bomb?

thoth:

Britain advised them to disband RAP team(Research and Production). Do you know that Biafran Nuclear Scientists tried to acquire Uranium to build a nuclear bomb, they have already bought the Uranium and the MI6 captured it in Belgium.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by juman(m): 6:34am On Apr 25, 2015
Even Africans cannot govern themselves well talkless of being scientific.

Nigeria with her resources that supposed to be shinny example for other African countries, but the cursed leaders that destroyed the country do not allow that.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by cooljude(m): 7:06am On Apr 25, 2015
thoth:

Britain advised them to disband RAP team(Research and Production). Do you know that Biafran Nuclear Scientists tried to acquire Uranium to build a nuclear bomb, they have already bought the Uranium and the MI6 captured it in Belgium.
Interesting, when i was reading Madeabo's book, he said the only thing they tried to build that didn't work was a plane. Imagine Biafra had succeeded in its campaign, i tell you that Africa would never be the same again. Because with the advancement in military capability in Biafra, its neighbouring country (Nigeria) would feel threatened and would have to develop its own military hardware in other to defend itself. Do you know that most inventions are made in war times.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by thoth: 7:32am On Apr 25, 2015
cooljude:
Do you know that most inventions are made in war times.
95% of American inventions are a product of military industrial complex and CIA Research. The Digital Camera, satellite, personal computers were all by products of aggressive military expansion.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by thoth: 7:44am On Apr 25, 2015
ololo12:
Wow! I'm surprise. Are you sure Biafran nuclear scientist tried to acquire uranium to build a nuclear bomb?

Yes, there multiple sources for that, British intelligence, Belgian intelligence and Soviet unions KGB, Dr Orji one of the Nuclear physicist that worked in RAP during the civil war attested so. Though the people believe the materials were lost in Portugal but it was actually stolen in Belgium. The story how biafran foreign operators avoided, provided decoys, evaded the pursuing British and American intelligence services all over Europe meanwhile trying to transport a radioactive material to blockaded Biafra will chill your bones, we really have very intelligent guys that can show extreme dedication and patriotism in the face of danger and i am very proud of that.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Fulaman198(m): 7:55am On Apr 25, 2015
juman:
Even Africans cannot govern themselves well talkless of being scientific.

Nigeria with her resources that supposed to be shinny example for other African countries, but the cursed leaders that destroyed the country do not allow that.

And yet Nigerians are the most educated people in the United States and the U.K., nice try though.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by juman(m): 9:03am On Apr 25, 2015
Fulaman198:


And yet Nigerians are the most educated people in the United States and the U.K., nice try though.

Bros, you think so? Where is the figure?

Even if we have very educated nigerians at home and abroad we have bad country with leaders that destroy the country.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by thoth: 9:38am On Apr 25, 2015
juman:


Bros, you think so? Where is the figure?

Even if we have very educated nigerians at home and abroad we have bad country with leaders that destroy the country.
We have bad leaders ofcourse, But what right have you to blame the leaders ? what have you done yourself ? How have you fought the supposedly evil leaders that were holding you back from being the next Einstein ?
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Fulaman198(m): 12:16pm On Apr 25, 2015
juman:


Bros, you think so? Where is the figure?

Even if we have very educated nigerians at home and abroad we have bad country with leaders that destroy the country.

Google it, it's not what I think, it's fact.

Correction, we had a very bad leader and we hope that Buhari won't follow the trend of poor/bad leadership
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by akoaki(m): 12:54pm On Apr 25, 2015
totima:
Where are Africa's greatest minds in science? I mean our own equivalents of Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein.

Discovers, Inventors, Astronomers, Premier Physicists, Theorists and Originators.

Why hasn't there been a Nobel Prize winning scientist on the Black side of Africa?

Are we saying that we have no such geniuses?

Why do we tend to lean towards seemingly "se..xier" and right brained paths to glory: i.e. arts, movies, business?

Is this a root problem for Africans? A natural aversion to challenging the status quo and generally unscientific minds?

Correct me if I am wrong - can anyone name foremost Black AFRICAN names in the sciences. Nigerians, Ghanaians, Kenyans, etc?


Consciousness for science is supposed to be introduced at early stage of life, maybe during elementary education. But with the nigerian style of education I doubt if this will happen soon. Religion, culture and tradition are the other factors working against science-based critical thinking in nigeria. Any society that believes that " with god all things are possible" will hardly think outside its box of myopicism. Nigeria should begin to discard all phenomena that promote lazy or shallow thinking and conclusions at the expense of scientific knowledge and endeavours. Finally , corporate organisations should sponsor less of musical/entertainment/social competitions and promote science oriented events in schools as this will bring more dividends to our country in future.

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Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by juman(m): 2:57pm On Apr 25, 2015
Fulaman198:


Google it, it's not what I think, it's fact.

Correction, we had a very bad leader and we hope that Buhari won't follow the trend of poor/bad leadership

Yeah, nigerians have high hope that buhari would perform well. He must not fail. This is the last chance for people of his generation. The useless generation that destroyed the country. The useless generation of people that deliberately could not build a sensible country despite in charge of the country for many many decades, the failed generation.

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Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by anulaxad(m): 2:58pm On Apr 25, 2015
totima:


If you mean Emeagali, ok. But I don't think he invented the fastest computer.

That's why his famous. He invented the worlds fastest super computer back then.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Fulaman198(m): 7:25pm On Apr 25, 2015
juman:


Yeah, nigerians have high hope that buhari would perform well. He must not fail. This is the last chance for people of his generation. The useless generation that destroyed the country. The useless generation of people that deliberately could not build a sensible country despite in charge of the country for many many decades, the failed generation.


At least we agree here
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Fulaman198(m): 7:26pm On Apr 25, 2015
anulaxad:


That's why his famous. He invented the worlds fastest super computer back then.

He is also referred to as the father of the internet. We wouldn't be sitting here using the internet if it wasn't for him today. To me, the internet is the BIGGEST breakthrough of this century.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by igbo2011(m): 8:18pm On Apr 25, 2015
Fulaman198:


As my friend Thoth said, Black Africans are extremely thoughtful and curious people. The Binary number system used today in computer systems was derived from Ancient African mathematics. Don't let Europeans fool you. Be proud to be African and stop having inferiority complex @OP.

In the past Africans have mastered maths and sciences for 1000s of years. The greeks used to sstuy from Ancient Egypt, Mali and the moors. Even during colonialism and slavery Africans were teaching Europeans. One of the largest man made structures is in Nigeria called the Sungbo Eredo made by Nigerians. We did plenty of things with science but alot of the history or taken from us. Africans civilized the world!! Here are videos to learn. If you want books look up Ivan Sertima, Cheik Anta Diop, Runoko Rashidi, Martin Bernal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLk50p7YdK0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n36qV4Lk94


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCLfFejowHo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UYb3zx7vCg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T03G7wuzFEk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RGzzxsCF9g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL7-Y4_3QMs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYfCaRlMy0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSSK3QbfiGM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaQiGDZVDz4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfRdmx8J_3g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdKqRRQyojE

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Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by igbo2011(m): 8:22pm On Apr 25, 2015
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Fulaman198(m): 9:41pm On Apr 25, 2015
igbo2011:


In the past Africans have mastered maths and sciences for 1000s of years. The greeks used to sstuy from Ancient Egypt, Mali and the moors. Even during colonialism and slavery Africans were teaching Europeans. One of the largest man made structures is in Nigeria called the Sungbo Eredo made by Nigerians. We did plenty of things with science but alot of the history or taken from us. Africans civilized the world!! Here are videos to learn. If you want books look up Ivan Sertima, Cheik Anta Diop, Runoko Rashidi, Martin Bernal


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLk50p7YdK0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n36qV4Lk94


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCLfFejowHo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UYb3zx7vCg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T03G7wuzFEk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RGzzxsCF9g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL7-Y4_3QMs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYfCaRlMy0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSSK3QbfiGM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaQiGDZVDz4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfRdmx8J_3g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdKqRRQyojE

Absolutely true bros

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Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by Fulaman198(m): 9:45pm On Apr 25, 2015
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by wirinet(m): 10:09pm On Apr 25, 2015
anulaxad:


That's why his famous. He invented the worlds fastest super computer back then.

I thought we have settled this inventing the fastest computer ( or is it father of the internet) scam by Phillip Emegwali, it had been thrashed thouroughly in this forum. He did not invent a calculator before talking of inventing a supercomputer. He was only able to connect some computers together and clocked the fastest processing speed at that time. The record did not last more than a few months before faster processing speed was achieved by others.

This was his claim to fame.
Re: Africans Are Not A Scientific People. Or Am I Wrong? by igbo2011(m): 10:14pm On Apr 25, 2015
totima:
Where are Africa's greatest minds in science? I mean our own equivalents of Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein.

Discovers, Inventors, Astronomers, Premier Physicists, Theorists and Originators.

Why hasn't there been a Nobel Prize winning scientist on the Black side of Africa?

Are we saying that we have no such geniuses?

Why do we tend to lean towards seemingly "se..xier" and right brained paths to glory: i.e. arts, movies, business?

Is this a root problem for Africans? A natural aversion to challenging the status quo and generally unscientific minds?

Correct me if I am wrong - can anyone name foremost Black AFRICAN names in the sciences. Nigerians, Ghanaians, Kenyans, etc?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOLOLrUBRBY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkMauaHxBw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb8roUKQ050


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITtOvW9UNgM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjIAtI9pyKg

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