johnydon22:
Good i like this... and am gonna share it.. Goold one bro

menesheh:


What's good about this piece.

Somebody wrote jargon and you are here irrationally saying good one.


FACTs will always be facts no matter how you configure it backed by mountains of evidence.

johnydon22:


Lol he is teaching people how to debate an atheist and i don't see anything wrong in that..

This actually is not a debate but just an opinion to his fellow comrade on how to debate an atheist..

unphilaz:

but lately, i have come to realize that the reason they seem
successful in their argument is because of one thing, they
dont have a standard by which one is to judge them by.

Yeah there are good religious debaters who have matched
naira for naira to the athiest arsenal such as mranony etc.

NumberOne2:
The only way is to know your scripture. SOme of them are failed Pastors or Imams so they probably know more than you and are ready to twist scripture in their favour. These are common on NL. Avoid such as they are bigots. They are NOT so smart but are usually blinded with anger.

Even Apostle Paul spoke about this type:

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." - Hebrew 6:4-6

Some more mature Atheists repect other religions knowing that they dont know any better. I have met some real Atheist. They are nice people and even seek some kind of spiritual experience. They are a rare breed.

rationalmind:


On one hand you posit atheists have no standard with which they can be judged, hence it seems they successfully argue.



So, how does mranony successfully argue with same atheists who have no standard with which they can be judged?

Do atheists successfully argue because there's no standard with which they can be judged or because most christians are incapable of engaging them intellectually?

The latter seems to be it.

menesheh:


I didn't look at your moniker, my fellow free thinker.

I tot it is those irrational creationists.

zleemshaddy:
All atheist are just bunch of confused being

Lol really, no wonder their is a thread to teach how to debate one

(1) they claim they're free thinker and dnt support some science fact, so whats the point of arguing with them when they cant base their point with facts

Am sure no one really get the point

(2) If you check it, most atheist where either christians or any other religion, due to what happened in their life or couldnt get the answer they needed , they just decided to take a turn around .
smh CONFUSED BEING

No it was skepticism, bone out of curiosity... I think you need to apply skepticism not just believe what you were told from childhood. . . try it lets see what you find..

BTW if you're an atheist dnt bother quoting me, cos am nt gonna reply

johnydon22:
Good i like this... and am gonna share it.. Good one bro

menesheh:


What's good about this piece.

Somebody wrote jargon and you are here irrationally saying good one.


FACTs will always be facts no matter how you configure it backed by mountains of evidence.

rationalmind:


On one hand you posit atheists have no standard with which they can be judged, hence it seems they successfully argue.

rationalmind:

So, how does mranony successfully argue with same atheists who have no standard with which they can be judged?

Do atheists successfully argue because there's no standard with which they can be judged or because most christians are incapable of engaging them intellectually?

The latter seems to be it.

Sunymoore:
Atheist finds it easily because they mostly use logic and science.. Meanwhile in religion, certain things requires faith!

unphilaz:


This is an example.
He claims irrational, this is from his mind.
then he falls to physical evidence.
If you press on, he moves from the physical back to his mind stance which is fluid and can change at his whim and caprices.

Claiming irrational
Physical evidence
Mind stance which is fluid

unphilaz:


On science, athiest still have varied opinion and thus rely on how logical you can make your argument (MIND). Faith must be based on the written and theist indulge on this. Faith to the athiest is what he can see, he believes. On the science, which is physical, he sometimes falls for evolution theory and later changes when prodded along for clarity such as belief on something out of nothing (BIG BANG), will later drop it outrightly with the use of words that "NOT ALL ATHIEST" believe in big bang theory etc. So you see fluidity at work, so smooth as oil.

unphilaz:


their standard is their MIND which i stand to be corrected is fluid not stone-cold like the thiest.

From my observation, he plays their mind games which they so love to dwell on and he gives quite some plausible arguments which i know u acknowledge as a bright religious mind.

As phone manufacturers have a standard on which phones are made, which is written and documented that one can use in any court of law. But of the atheist, no document that can serve as standard to hold him/her in any court of law but his/her mind which am afraid changes with the use of words.

EvilBrain1:
It is completely wrong to say atheists don't have a standard, of course we have a standard.

Our standard is reality, and its better than any stupíd magic book. Anything that does not agree with reality as demonstrated by observation and experiment (or when those are not obtainable, by logical deduction) is bullshít. Christianity and Islam are bullshít.

NumberOne2:


Hmmm, Experimentation, Observation are some of the foundations of Science. You are a scientist. You are far from being an Atheist. There is NO reality in Atheism.

How are you sure the perceived realities have not been modified?
Example, the movie MATRIX. They were all living their lives until they took the RED pill and saw reality.

So how can you rely on your eyes to show reality?
Example, some folks are colour blind and see RED as GREEN. So is it really GREEN or RED?

To a true Atheist, nothing is certain, even perceived realities.

menesheh:



I didn't even get you vividly and never wanted to respond to your thread but was pissed off by the response following your post.

Claiming irrational
Physical evidence
Mind stance which is fluid


and can change at his whim and caprices.




You are just reffering to yourself because that's the irrationality you always protrude because of lack of base.

Athiests don't need any logical escape route or advice from their fellow as you postulate here to your fellows.

Sunymoore:

Yeah, on science, atheist have varied opinion because there's nothing like absolute, every concept is open to criticism and perception.. And atheism is NOT equals to science!

rationalmind:


Wrong. The standard is lack of belief in the existence of God. By mind being fluid, I guess you mean they aren't as dogmatic as theists, that's true.




Let me agree with you the atheist standard is his mind, you still have to explain how one person manages to successfully play the mind games with them and several others fail. The answer isn't far fetched. Like I did say, christians with the exception of a few (mranony) aren't just capable of having an intellectual discourse. How you fail/refuse to see/admit this simple fact beats me. It's not because of the fluidity of the atheist mind neither is it because you think he has no standard.




So how are Atheists prosecuted in countries where atheism is illegal since atheists have no standard document under which they can be judged?

EvilBrain1:
It is completely wrong to say atheists don't have a standard, of course we have a standard.

Our standard is reality, and its better than any stupíd magic book. Anything that does not agree with reality as demonstrated by observation and experiment (or when those are not obtainable, by logical deduction) is bullshít. Christianity and Islam are bullshít.

johnydon22:
One thing i have noticed in nairaland is "theist both hate and admire atheist guts" but they are kinda afraid to try it..

NumberOne2:


Hmmm, Experimentation, Observation are some of the foundations of Science. You are a scientist. You are far from being an Atheist. There is NO reality in Atheism.

How are you sure the perceived realities have not been modified?
Example, the movie MATRIX. They were all living their lives until they took the RED pill and saw reality.

So how can you rely on your eyes to show reality?
Example, some folks are colour blind and see RED as GREEN. So is it really GREEN or RED?

To a true Atheist, nothing is certain, even perceived realities.

unphilaz:


You mean a "gut" feeling (MIND) that is so fleeting as the situation changes? i wont brag a fluid mind set and claim its a standard for emulation. Rather i will be sober and considerate.