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Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Akorede612(m): 12:48pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Èṣu Is Normally Postulated To Be Yoruba Name For Satan But Does Yoruba Religion Actually Recognise Satan? Is The Yoruba Èṣu Same As The Biblical Satan and Quranic Sheitan? Read and find out .... *Please Note: Èṣu Is Same As Eshu In This Article* “Samuel Ajayi Crowther was captured by Muslim Fulani during the Fulani/Oyo wars and he was sold with his mother and toddler brother to Portuguese slave buyers. However, the ship was intercepted by British Royal Navy and the slaves were released by taking them to Sierra Leone. This was where the Anglican Church Missionary Society took over the educating of young Ajayi. One of his foremost achievements, apart from taking Christianity to the Niger Delta parts of modern Nigeria, Ajayi Crowther translated the English Bible into Yoruba. This can thus be said to be the first medium through which the Christian Satan/Devil/Lucifer was thus interpreted as the Yoruba Eshu. Ajayi Crowther was also the one who compiled in 1843 the English-Yoruba Dictionary upon which so many others have been patterned till today. The word ‘Bara’ in the dictionary reads out the meaning thus: “god of mischief, the devil, Ifa.” Here it is plain that the devil and Ifa are the same to Ajayi. Bara is a word used in qualifying Eshu in some of Eshu’s oriki poems: “Bara ti o logun ika/ To so ile ana re di ahoro (Bara who does not have evil medicine but turns his in-laws home into desolation). Bara l’abelekun sunkun ki eru o ba elekun/ Bi elekun ba n sokun, Laaroye a ma sun eje (Bara is the one who weeps with those weeping and they will be frightened by the time they see Eshu/Laaroye/Bara weeping blood). Bara ni abonimi su mi ki eru ba onimi/ Bonimi ba n su imi/ Laaroye a ma su ifun (The one defecating will be full of fright by the time he sees Eshu defecating his intestines). That is Eshu for you, a god that overdoes things in a frightening way… a prankster. On the other side though, Eshu is the link between man and heaven – to the Yoruba. He is a strong god and one who has to be pacified so that he takes his tricks elsewhere, He is a god with functions in heaven. That is why another oriki says of him as “O san sokoto penpe/ Onibode Olorun.” (One who wears short pants and guards the way between man and the Heavens) Let us objectively look into the function of Eshu who is a fierce god, like Thor or Sango but not evil like Hades. Eshu has to be constantly sacrificed to in Yoruba belief because he is the one between us and the other gods. Eshu has the power to decree any god not to harm a mortal and can also look away if the offending mortal refuses to perform sacrifice to ward of evil. Eshu does not cast evil, he is merely performing his duties to ensure that no man is unjustly attacked by evil. There are eight forms of evil in Ifa philosophy, these are Death, Pestilence, Loss, Paralysis, Trouble, Curse, Bondage and Iniquity. All these eight are under the supervision of Eshu according to God (Olodumare) who placed Eshu in that role to monitor their activities. These eight are always trying to hinder the progress of man and this is why any sacrifice or rites performed on earth to ward evil must have Eshu’s Fifth share since he alone has authority to tell the Eight evil to desist from harming a particular person. The Christian Satan is a rebel; the Yoruba Eshu would never think of derailing from his functions. It is only the witches and sorcerers that Eshu has no power over and this is where Ifa too says that it is only one’s Ori (head/soul) that can protect one against Dark/Evil Magic cast by witches. Eshu has nothing to do with cursing man or turning man against God. He serves as mediator between us and the heavens. There is no record in Ifa that Eshu rebels against Olodumare, besides, is it not demeaning the power of God that the omniscient created something It had not foreseen would rebel and cause trouble for mankind in such huge scale? Ajayi Crowther could have translated the Bible Satan as satani. He was a boy of 12 when he was stolen from Osogun, his village in Iseyin, Oyo, and had very little knowledge, if any, of Eshu and his complicated functions. If Eshu were the Devil, Ifa would totally have been upturned into evil and Yoruba would not be one of the most enlightened race in Africa today. We would have been submerged in the Devil’s evil. Eshu is not evil. But today, millions of Yoruba have seen Eshu as the Christian devil with the influence of the translation and the Yoruba Bible. The Yoruba dictionary clearly shows that elitism crept into the translating pen of the translators as a result of their little knowledge of Yoruba spiritual beliefs, which Christianity taught them is the Devil’s belief. Let us remove prejudice and be objective… Eshu shields man from evil and can also expose man to evil, but he is not evil. Neither is he contesting power with God. while most Christians describe God as a white man with. a white beard and a golden crown… The Yoruba God (Olodumare or Olorun) has no form. It has never been described… Olodumare is an existence in the transcendence. Something no deity can contest power with. Evil is also formless, that is why the Eight Evil were placed under the authority of Eshu to protect man, but Witches can use their craft to tap into the evil energy but unfortunately they are not subjected to Eshu and difficult to pacify them. God allowed evil but restrained evil, and only the karma of man brings them upon him. Even if witches cast evil on a man, his Ori is his last bunker to defend him and this Ori also depends largely on the past karma he has accrued. Lastly, Eshu cannot take or give man soul, like the Christian Devil can. Eshu does not need a soul or reside in any Hell. He is an important minister of God according yoruba philosophy. Those who perform devil worship and the Satanists perform a lot of human sacrifice and mortification… but Yoruba do not sacrifice humans to Eshu Oriki eshu Esu, Divine Messenger, Esu Odara, Divine Messenger of Transformation, Esu lanlu ogirioko. Divine Messenger speak with power. Okunrin ori ita, Man of the crossroads A jo langa langa lalu. Dance to the drum. A rin lanja lanja lalu. Tickle the toe of the drum. Ode ibi ija de mole. Move beyond strife. Ija ni otaru ba d'ele ife. Strife is contrary to the spirit of Heaven. To fi de omo won. Unite the unsteady feet of weaning children. Oro Esu to to to akoni. The word of the Divine Messenger is always respected. Ao fi ida re lale. We shall use your sword to touch the Earth. Esu ma se mi o. Divine Messenger do not confuse me. Esu ma se mi o. Divine Messenger do not confuse me. Esu ma se mi o. Divine Messenger do not confuse me. Omo elomiran ni ko lo se. Let someone else be confused. Pa ado asubi da. Turn my suffering around. No ado asure si wa. Give me the blessing of the calabash. Ase. So be it. Lets appreciate our culture! 7 Likes 4 Shares
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Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by ayowonder(m): 1:24pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
esu is an oloriburuku somebody 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by 2prexios: 9:01pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
ayowonder:You dont get it bad guy |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 9:59am On Jul 19, 2021 |
ayowonder:You are 100% wrong. Èṣù is not satan. Remains the helper of humanity from problems attacking each believer of Ifaodu. Only if you know how this spirit being and the role HE plays in waging away everything evil from mankind, perhaps it is better you understudy who Èṣù is. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 12:20pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Akorede612, The Bible is divided into two parts: Old Testament and The New Testament. While in the interpretation there are errors in translation from the main Classic Hebrew which had no Nikud in the bginng and later being added to it centuries after and was translated in to Aramaic, byblos, Greek, Roman Latin, Khemt cum Hebrew, English language,Yorubas etc . As funny as this may sound but affirmed as a fact, the Word Shetan is not devil in Ancient Hebrew language. Instead, the word, adversary, one's enemy, antagonist. Unfortunately, the Bible interpeters failed to capture this and many more that did made part of the Bible mistakenly interpreted wrongly. This is the reason, the light skin Hebrew reject the Bible and do not believe in Christianity. While Rev. Samuel Ajayi Crowther blundered on this identity of antagonist, or rebel, which in Yoruba means, ṣọtàní (ṣe ọ́ tà ẹní),or ṣọt'ẹní(ṣe ọ́tẹ́ ẹní) , the Yoruba muslims used the Arabic word, "Shetan", with closely cognate with Classic Hebrew. So, Rev Ajayi goofed and this error had so many wrong impression on daily lives of millions of Yorubas speakers, which made Yoruba divided along religious lines, such that the traditional yoruba speakers are comfortable with the older Yoruba language which recognised Eshu as part and parcel of Yoruba creation myth while christians out of this error think Eshu is their problem. While in reality ,Eshu is the source of good wealth, protector, defender of just cause etc in Ifaodu. May God open up people's eyes. Christianity is a stolen religion of the Yoruba. |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 1:01pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Olu317: Olu317 you've started again, where and when did ṣe ọ̀tẹ̀ ẹni become shaytan? Lol You even contradicted yourself in your crave for misrepresentation of facts. You claimed that the Hebrew has nothing like Satan or devil in their language you still claim that Shetan is the closest cognate of ṣe ọ̀tẹ̀ ẹni lmao Olu you be something else 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 1:05pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
ayowonder: You dey vex o Honestly, Bishop Ajayi Crowther tried as much as he could to represent Satan/devil with something closer so that the Yorùbá listeners and readers could understand who the biblical Satan is. The linguists after him would have done a better job of interpreting it better than he did but left it that way. I find it amusing when people blame Bishop Crowther for this. How could we continue to blame him for almost 200 years? It shows that the generation after him are too lazy mentally |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 6:41pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
rhektor:Ride on! Read the screenshot
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Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 6:52pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
rhektor, if you want to learn, be a good student and honour those, who have acquired what you do not know. Read below the fact that "Satan" is not devil but adversary, oppostion etc , according to ancient Hebrew or the present day extreme Caucasian light skin Hebrew. Below screenshot proves this again.....
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Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 7:03pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
rhekor, You are a typical opposition to the truth but you lack the pedigree. Unfortunately for you, the ancient Hebrew God does not have rival or opposition.And satan remains only man's problem to access God,so also deprive mankind from having everything good to come to mankind.
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Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 7:08pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
rhektor, Read and learn about ancient Hebrew God.
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Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 7:25pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
The beauty of Yoruba religious aspect of Ifaodu,is that, no matter,how a Yoruba Christian prays, such person cannot do without always, acknowledging the name ascribed to, in Ifaodu, such as Eledumare, Edumare, Oyigiyigi, Eledua, Eleda, Asheda, Ori etc. Despite the fact that even if these Christian Yorubas do not know the procedurial role each of these identities plays accordingly. The reality is that all christians or muslims praying in Yoruba language while mentioning names associated with Ifaodu still have the prayers being answered. So, for the Yoruba guy above who do not know much but who think Eshu is devil need to visit traditionalists, who are genuine, priests or very knowledgeable in Yoruba religion to have a feel of Eshu Bara. An inseparable name from Orunmiela in Odù corpus in Ifaodu. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 7:40pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Olu317: Why are you doing this to yourself? Ehn? You claim that Satan is not found in the Hebrew language, and you equally claimed that the word ṣe ọ̀tẹ̀ ẹni is the closest cognate that the Yorùbá used to mean shaytan This is what I have responded to. If you don't see that you are contradicting yourself then something is definitely wrong with your understanding. How do you feel after speaking with both sides of your mouth? |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 7:43pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Olu317:Why are you doing this to yourself? Ehn? You claim that Satan is not found in the Hebrew language, and you equally claimed that the word ṣe ọ̀tẹ̀ ẹni is the closest cognate that the Yorùbá used to mean shaytan This is what I have responded to. If you don't see that you are contradicting yourself then something is definitely wrong with your understanding. How do you feel after speaking with both sides of your mouth? |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 7:53pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Olu317: You love clinging to straw. You are trying to ignore the fact that you contradicted yourself in that writeup. You're trying to hide that by attacking me personally Ad hominem You in fact try to divert attention from your errors Red herring Admit that you goofed and move on, you won't die of you do it. That was how you changed narrative on the other thread lol Olu317, I am your nemesis on this forum since the day you decided to lie against me |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 7:56pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Olu317: You wrote all these based on assumptions in fact a very much ill conceived assumption. So you mean that we can not speak our language because Ifa uses a word others are not free to use it? What kind of mindset is this FGS? |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 8:14pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Olu317: How does all these trash you keep posting in response to my comment confirm that you are right about saying ṣe ọ̀tẹ̀ ẹni is a close cognate of Shaytan when you already said that Hebrews has no concept of Satan in their language? Why do you love to divert attention whenever someone question your lie? |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 8:23pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
Olu317: What is ancient Hebrew God in this nonsense screenshot? Do you think that you're conversing with a kid here? |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 8:51pm On Jul 19, 2021 |
rhektor:LOL! Kindly pick up Yoruba dictionary and find me she ote eni if you will find. Perhaps, you need consult your own English teacher to simply teach you how to understand reason " contraction " exist in language. As simple as ABC, ṣọ̀tẹ̀(ní) ṣọtà('ní'). And the Hebrew does not have Shaytan! The root שִׁטן (shtn). This means "shin+tet+nun." If You are knowledgeable , in Yoruba Ifáodù(Ifádù),you will realise, there are Yoruba terms that are extremely out your dictionary except, Ifa priest assist you. However,no more answers to your questions as regard the Hebrews. Kindly post Odù Corpus in Ifaodu to support Èṣù as human's benefactor. |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 7:24am On Jul 20, 2021 |
Olu317: Olú Olù See the meaning of the words you join together in the screenshot below. Lamao how does 1999 become Satan of the Hebrew? Do you think you can just pick up any word and it will be accepted just because you put it on this forum? Stop lying, admit that you erred and move on stop digging deeper holes for yourself Olu317:do you any knowledge of odù ifá which is transmitted in the Hebrew language? Post it here and stop lying. Oh! It's Ifa that will now teach us Hebrew language Lamao Olú go see a psychiatrist you need it Olu317:You have no answer as I keep exposing your lies here. I have promised you that all your lies will be duly exposed here until you apologise
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Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 9:18pm On Jul 20, 2021 |
rhektor:I won't teach you anything,since you have started with lies again. Thus ride on with your 1999, false information����☺ . What do I need add ? Since you know more than me. |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 5:50am On Jul 21, 2021 |
Olu317: Who is asking for teaching of lies? This mumu dey always overrated himself o, Chai �♂️ Olú, something is definitely wrong with you upstairs lmao. Whoever is supplying you with these lies must have had a really powerful charm placed on you to hypnotise you so much that you can not even comprehend what you are writing |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 6:05am On Jul 21, 2021 |
Olu317: See dullard saying he won't teach me anything again, mo gbé! Dìdìnrìn ń dín róbó You too dey overrate yourself, a butterfly that thinks he's a bird will be disgraced by thorns Who ask for your teaching? All I ask is for you to substantially proof that Shaytan is the same as ṣọ̀tẹ̀ ẹni you can't then you keep digging holes for your deluded self. Stop jumping from one error to another Olú, this Hebrew thing has left you stop trying to create similarities that are nonexistent between the Hebrew language and Yorùbá language both are two different and separate languages. 1. Shaytan is not an Hebrew word 2. Shaytan did not mean ṣe ọ̀tẹ̀ ẹni 3. You will have to chose one of the followings; (i) Yorùbá language is similar to Egyptian language (ii) Yorùbá language is related to Hebrew language (iii) Yorùbá language is related to Arabic language If languages are judged by the way you always draw up correlation here on nairaland, Yorùbá language must also be from the Japanese language too in fact it must also be an offshoot of Spanish Olu go and find a fruitful venture 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by theTranscriber: 7:55am On Jul 21, 2021 |
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Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Olu317(m): 10:21am On Jul 21, 2021 |
rhektor:Ignorant as you remains ignorants ,no matter how hard you make such learn! So, whenever I quote, it is just to keep the true learner knows that whatever I post is Cognate in every way, as been expected in protolanguage everywhere in the world when comparison between two or more languages. I am 100% certain you are only opportune to chat with me on this forum because it is free for all to access. Anyway, some mothers do have your type! Mind you, do not self-service at all since, I chose how my reply is, as regard what you seek! Seemingly, you posit from a man's angle whose knowledge is highly limited! After all, if renowned scholar such as Professor Farooq Kperogi can wrongly claim that Islam exist in Hausa land before Yoruba land, without verifying how Yoruba language existed in Egypt at a point in time before the language became known as Coptic's liturgy language, how much a less brilliant you , who claim "Shetan"/ "Shatan" does not exist in Hebrew. For your lies, let me share this information for the keen readers as thus: Strong's Greek: 1228. διάβολος (diabolos) -- slanderous, accusing falsely ... that bring down (destroy) . Satan is used by God in this plan ... Dictionary) . 1228 (diabolos) in secular Greek means "backbiter," ... ' ἐξοχήν to the one called in Hebrew הַשָּׂטָן, ὁ σατανᾶς (which see ... Liars have no lives: Here is a Written down Hebrew language that is older than Arabic's . So Mr. Man, "Shaytan"does not exist as you have spelt it in Hebrew but as Hebrew הַשָּׂטָן , which means; From right to left arrangement: Nun+tet+Shin+Hey From left to right arrangement : Shin(Sh)+ tet(t)+Nun (N)=Shtn-Shetan In Yoruba's Root : Ṣ(Sh)+t+N Ṣe ọtẹ̀ ẹní or in contraction , ṣọtẹ̀'ní (one's adversary ,opposition,backbiter etc). Stop living a lie life and go learn
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Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by rhektor(m): 2:25pm On Jul 21, 2021 |
Olu317:like I said before you overrate yourself lmao Olu317: And now you are are writting this from God's angle because you're a god Olu317: How does this answer the question asked so far? Are you even reading what you wrote at all? Do you really think anyone would take you serious with these nonsense? What has Farouk Perogi has to do with this discussion? Stop dillydalying man, read, understand and edit whatever you are posting online Olu317:see how you switched from Hebrew to Greek in a bid to save your lying face. Oh! Maybe you want to claim that Greek also developed from Yorùbá language Olu317:And now you have re-arrange the text Why did you even add another word to it this time? It was shin+tet+nun before but now you have to change to Nun+tet+Shin+Hey keep digging holes for yourself Olódo you have to add HEY to your initial lie FYI: check the screenshot for Hebrew and Greek Satan 1 is Greek 2 is Hebrew Peace ✌️
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Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Dsimmer: 6:04pm On Feb 18 |
While I wouldn't know if Eshu was the same as Satan in the bible but I see some similarities. For example, Satan was in between heaven and earth. Eshu is also said to be in between the heaven and earth just like Satan. Just like Eshu, Satan also goes to meet God to make complaint and render justice on people, for example in the case of Job. So see the similarities. Lol. However, IFA makes us understand Eshu better. He's a trickster yes, however he uses it to test one's integrity. He actually present both the good/truth and bad/lie to people while waiting to see which the person would choose. If the person whom he wanted to test his integrity choose good/truth, he would go tell God about the person's integrity. However if the person chooses the bad or lie, he would also go swiftly to make a complaint to God while administering proper punishment to the offender. Btw, Eshu didn't stop anyone from picking up the good option and as a matter of fact, he even brings up this good option however he also brings up other option to see what side the person would choose to test one's integrity. So basically, Eshu is all about justice and balance/order. The ebos sacrifice/animal sacrifice was to placate and lessen the punishment. The point was the coming of the only begotten child of Eledumare, Ela who's also known as Jewesun (the lamb) was not only to make Human understand God's nature the more (since many didn't know God's nature thus were using idols/objects to represent him) but also to abolish the ebo sacrifices and also the complaints. Hence only Ela/Jewesun can now render justice and he's quite merciful. Philosophically , Eshu represent our decision making, whether good or wrong. That's why he's called the Orisha of cross roads. He's also a good economist. In fact, He knows the values of things thus why he tend to collect gem stones which are used for lots of things. He also represent justice and order. As for the philosophical interpretation of ebo, ebo are rather scientific, innovative, creative clues/ideas given to humans on a platter of gold. For example, oil is used as ebo sacrifices to Ogun. However, Ogun represent iron/mechanical engines and we all know oil lubricant is needed in mechanical engines. Anyways, I like how Yoruba makes it a way that Eshu shouldn't be feared. Because why fear him? 🤔 Creativity wise, Eshu represent an economist and an administrator who represent law and order. All the Orishas have their innovative creative uses as a matter of fact. These Orishas represent innovative and creative ideas. On a side note, I think Satan in the scripture can be understood better in the sense that he didn't fight with God or rebelled against God like some people thought. He only manipulated Adam with his exaggeration and since Adam fell for his manipulation, he was therefore given dominion to render justice as he likes, until the coming of the begotten son of God, Jesus who came to take over with mercy. So, only Jesus justifies now and since he's merciful, he's bound to be merciful. Remember when David prayed that he would rather fall into God's hand in terms of punishment because according to him, he knew God was merciful. IFA calls this begotten child of God, Ela or Jewesun (the Lamb). So there's no more need for ebo sacrifice/animal sacrifices. And there's also no point worshipping a moulded image or stone since everyone now knows the true nature of God. In fact, why even worship a stone to begin with sef? Lol 😂 As for The Orishas, the Orishas are rather symbols of creative and innovative ideas needed to be brought into technical realities for the betterment of the society, aside them being Yoruba ancestors. The idea of Yoruba venerating the Yoruba ancestors (Orishas) is to bring forth the knowledge, innovation and creativity of these Orishas present in one's Ori for the betterment of the society while the ebo are scientific and creative clues/ideas given to humans on the platter of gold. The festival and monuments of the Orishas is only an avenue to act as symbol of history and a constant reminder of the need to bring forth the knowledge, innovation and creative ideas of these Orishas who were also our ancestors. For example, Orisha Oko represent Agriculture (mechanized farming and agro industries). Orisha Ogun represent iron, metallurgy, mechanical engines, chemical industries etc. Sango represent civilization, commerce, industrialization, electricity etc. And so-on. These are the innovative & creative aspects. Spiritually though, the only one God almighty is Olodumare while his only begotten child is Ela/Jewesun (the Lamb) which is his word 💤 according to IFA. Ela is also referred to as Orunmila which means wisdom💤. Of course the first IFA priest is Orunmila however, it's stated that Ela born of a virgin woman (oyigi) came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been Ela's role from the beginning. This is similar to how Moses was the first priest before Jesus came to take over the priesthood role. It's funny how Yoruba religion is quite similar to the Hebrew. I'm still wondering where the Yoruba connection with the Hebrew is from. |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Dsimmer: 11:20am On Feb 21 |
The idea of Eshu is all about the philosophy it represents, not something to be feared. Philosophically, Aside Eshu representing law/justice which is needed in a society for orderly measure 💯, Eshu as the Orisha of crossroads also represent our decision making (both good and bad) which both always have end results. However, even when human chooses the bad decision, God's mercy is always sufficient enough which was the point of the coming of the begotten child of God (Ela/Jewesun) which is God's word, apart from the fact that Ela/Jewesun came to depict God's nature to people since many didn't know how to represent God thus tend to use moulded image or stone to represent him. But since everyone now knows God's nature, I don't see the point of worshipping inanimate object or stone. Why even worship an inanimate object to begin with? Lol 😅 Some would even proceed further to go worship an inanimate stone idol of Arab at kabba! Lol 😅 |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Dsimmer: 11:45am On Feb 21 |
Speaking of law and justice. Law and justice is quite needed in a society for orderly measure and to avoid chaos in a society. Even though law should be without mercy however justice can be rendered with mercy, especially if it warrants it. Take for example, I remembered seeing a drama where a poor elderly aged man stole food to eat. Of course he was arrested and taken to court, not helped by his rudeness, lol although he later changed however when it was discovered how poor he indeed lived, his sentence was quite lessened. So that's justice rendered with mercy. |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by Dsimmer: 12:18pm On Feb 21 |
I like the Yoruba religion (IFA) because it entails a lot. Talk about philosophy, maths, agriculture, science, innovation, creativity etc, while also entailing the history of the Yoruba race. |
Re: Yoruba Philosophy: Is Eshu Odara The Biblical Satan? by shadrach77: 10:37pm On Feb 23 |
Satan will not deceive me with his cunning argument. Argue all you want, all I know is that èshù òdàŕà is satan. Full stop. Someone up there was even arguing that Satan is different from devil. Really? |
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