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Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by Rilwayne001: 6:40pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: *Confess to me, I won't tell anybody**. Are you scared? Why can't you open the thread? You are the one demanding answer, so, I am not obliged to open the thread but you. After all, you ran away from thread that was opened with your moniker on the topic https://www.nairaland.com/2235053/did-jesus-died-sin-which No doubt, you will run away from those that doesn't even have your moniker on the topic. If you don't have anything reasonable to say, don't mention my moniker on this thread again. 3 Likes |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by parisbookaddict(f): 6:43pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Mr Muslim please post the screen shot were I "ran away"...al taqyiaa expert 1 Like |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 7:06pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:so does it make sense to you ? The Jews boast they killed the messiah ? When they don't even accept him in the first place!!! Matthew 27:22 22 Pilate said to them, “Then what shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” They all said, “Let him be crucified!” You see the Jews rejected him because according to what they belief, the messiah would come and deliver them from Roman bondage and set up a kingdom where they would be the rulers. Two of the disciples, James and John, even asked to sit at Jesus’ right and left in His kingdom when He came into His glory. The people of Jerusalem also thought He would deliver them. They shouted praises to God for the mighty works they had seen Jesus do and called out, “Hosanna, save us,” when He rode into Jerusalem on a donkey ( Matthew 21:9). They treated Him like a conquering king. Then, when He allowed Himself to be arrested, tried, and crucified on a cursed cross, the people stopped believing that He was the promised prophet. They rejected their Messiah. Isaiah 53 talk about a suffering messiah but the Jews focus on the prophecy that favour them. 1 Like |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by Rilwayne001: 8:03pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Okay. Next. 1 Like |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by dolphinheart(m): 8:32pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
Can someone pls give more info on the Satan touching infant issue! I want to know more! |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 9:09pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:let it be sealed in you. 1 Like |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 9:12pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
dolphinheart:actually, that was just a deception by muhammed, he did not know were sin come from or how sin can be atoned for. |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by Rilwayne001: 9:18pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Are you done 1 Like |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by vedaxcool(m): 10:09pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Repeating yourself in 10 different ways is not saying anything new. 1. read this http://www.pewforum.org/2014/12/15/most-say-religious-holiday-displays-should-be-allowed-on-public-property/#majorities-believe-christmas-story-historically-accurate A third of Church of England clergy doubt or disbelieve in the physical Resurrection and only half are convinced of the truth of the Virgin birth, according to a new survey. 2. You see, you fall for your own folly, you are the same individual who cited a verse to sell you dubious claims, the same verse you cited 4:171 clearly repudiated all you said, tell a jewish man that the we, us, our refers to 3 god and watch whether he doesn't chase you out of his sight. Allah who revealed the verse you so desparately need to validate your claims states he is not in any godship programme. 3. I find discussing with you a big boring and unintellectual activity, so Jesus till this day reject Jesus do you accept that he is fraud? or do you pretend to be unaware the sort of invectives jews generally pour on Jesus a.s? or the fact that Jesus reitereated in the bible I was sent to the lost sheep of Israel? 4. , your interpretation of the hadith is flawed and shows you inability to do any decent research. Satan’s touch (or his initial entry into the human possibly through the nose) while the child enters the world, could cause the medical conditions mentioned. For someone to find the Hadith to be against science, they would have to have seen Satan in person and convince others that Satan is not how he has been defined by Allah and His Messenger –peace be upon him. so satan touch has nothing to do with sins, rather it efers to him making the child uncomfortable or harm https://quranmisconceptions./2014/04/12/why-do-babies-cry-at-birth/ 5. Here is what Allah said of all human beings; “And when your Lord brought forth from the children of Adam...all their descendants, and made them bear witness against their own souls: Am I not your Lord? They said: Yes! we bear witness. Lest you should say on the day of resurrection: Surely we had no knowledge of this.” (Qur’an 7:172) They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)" 17:85 the verse clearly indicates that the soul or spirit of men come into existence by the command of Allah, hence you may as well say all of mankind is the word or command of Allah but I trust these message will be lost to you somehow. 6. The Qur'an stated that Muhammad during his life time went to heaven and returned to earth, a feat performed by only him. but like my first post indicates we muslims don't make it our jobs to be comparing prophets left right and centre, rather we learn from them and seek Allah's guidance in understanding their mission. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by vedaxcool(m): 10:10pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
dolphinheart: https://quranmisconceptions./2014/04/12/why-do-babies-cry-at-birth/ |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by vedaxcool(m): 10:56pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
Emusan: I guess your boy was performing woefully hence your rush to help him out! Emusan: maybe you should calm down and try and make coherent statement, I do not get what point you are trying to make Emusan: every human existed in heaven before they were born on earth, “And when your Lord brought forth from the children of Adam...all their descendants, and made them bear witness against their own souls: Am I not your Lord? They said: Yes! we bear witness. Lest you should say on the day of resurrection: Surely we had no knowledge of this.” (Qur’an 7:172) Furthermore every soul exist by the command of Allah in other words by Allah's word: They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)" 17:85 I feel sorry for you, you seemed pained over something I don't know and in addition like your boy you ignore an entire verse and fixate on just few words, christ is not more than a messenger of Allah, and he is above begetting sons, his conception and birth is a miracle and sign for mankind not a cheque book for blasphemy and arrogance. Emusan: The Qur'an isn't the bible where prophets of God commit adultery etc, Like I stated there is no sin any prophet committed, infact we believe there were protected from the devil's influence The prophets were always fearful and humble even though they did not do anything that could be termed a sin. This is the sign of true and ultimate piety[6], and this is the trait of a true believer who lives his or her life in a balance of love, fear and hope, not in a state of arrogance and comfort as if they deserve paradise. But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell Matthew 5:22 But Jesus in the same bible is reported to have said worse against his elders in the bible, so even your bible does not agree with you: Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers. 33"You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell? 34"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,…Matthew 23:33 There you have it, sins being attributed by the bible against Jesus. It is narrated from Abu Huraira, he said the Messenger of Allah -may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him said, "If my Lord was to judge me and Ibn Maryam (Jesus) even by the amount of the shadow between these two fingers, He would have punished us without being unjust." Hilya al-Awliya 8/132. Also quoted in Kanzul 'Ummal Hadith 5905 But offcourse we still hold that they were sinless. Emusan: Jesus said father forgive them . . ., why didn't he just forgive them without praying to God? oh wait, he was a messenger of God who despite christian ilogical claim about him had to resort to praying to God day in day out? Did Jesus know the day of Judgement? 7 Likes |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 11:53pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
vedaxcool:1. Listen.thousands of christians and churches doubt the virgin birth mean they are removing from the word of God and it's none of my business, the same can be apply to islam, the 9 people sentence to death in kano , was it not for blasphemy ?as a matter of fact the virgin birth is also recorded in the quran. 2.you did not explained anything here my friend, who are the "WE, OUR, US" the quran say concerning Allah? 3. From the beginning of Genesis we read how God chose Abraham( a Jewish) And made a covenant with him how he will make him a great nation and MULTIPLY his seed , and how the Jews will be a blessing to mankind. And in acts 1:6 to 8 we read how Jesus send his disciples to go and preach the good news till the end of the earth Infacte here what the quran say about the children of isreal: Surah 45:16: And verily We gave the Children of Israel the Scripture and the Command and the Prophethood, and provided them with good things and FAVOUR THEM ABOVE ALL PEOPLE . (Pickthall) Surah 2:47: “O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I PREFERED YOU TO (ALL) CREATURES.” (Pickthall) And it was this children of isreal God use to manifest himself to the rest of the world. 4. Pleased answer this question, it seem like muslims know more than the author of hadith. What does the quran say about Jesus,sinner or sinless? 5.Qur’an 7:172 does not explained anything about Jesus being touch or not. So you know the quran more than sahih bukari ? Keep on twisting what is made plain and clearly understood.if you cannot explained this, why do you still chose to remains in deception? 6. Provide the verse were It say muhammed went to heaven. According to the hadith, How did muhammed first went to Jerusalem and then ascend to heaven? You are brave enough to see this is nothing but lies and delusion. |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by pupsyd: 12:18am On Jul 04, 2015 |
dolphinheart:ask the Muslims...if they tells u genuine and reasonable answer then I owe you $750 |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by Emusan(m): 10:54am On Jul 04, 2015 |
vedaxcool: Performing woefully in what way? Because he bothered not to reply after he had made his points clear but you jumped in only to boycott those points and attack straw man. maybe you should calm down and try and make coherent statement, I do not get what point you are trying to make My point is clear, you "some Christians are now denying the birth of Jesus Christ THESE DAY" And my emphasis is on THESE DAY, so go back and read that portion again. [size=14pt]every human existed in heaven before they were born on earth,[/size] @bold parts-that means every human is DIVINE, or you will tell us also that EVERY HUMAN IS THE WORD OF ALLAH. By the way the verse you quoted never supported you claim because the verse says "FROM CHILDREN ADAM...ALL THEIR DESCENDANTS" this means that ALL HUMAN ARE ALREADY IN THE ONE BODY OF ADAM by the way Allah had cast Adam to the earth (according to Muslims understanding) after his disobedient so it was the body of Adam on earth that ALL HIS DESCENDANT came from NOT IN HEAVEN again. They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)" 17:85 Imaging using the allege verse of how Muhammad confused Holy Spirit with Jibril who brought him message to support EVERY SOUL EXISTS by Allah's command belittle your Islamic understanding. Yet you'll be acting as a scholar! Whereas this is the same verse Muslim scholars always use to explain away the contradiction of who brought the Quran, Jibril or Holyspirit? I feel sorry for you, you seemed pained over something I don't know and in addition like your boy you ignore an entire verse and fixate on just few words, christ is not more than a messenger of Allah, and he is above begetting sons, his conception and birth is a miracle and sign for mankind not a cheque book for blasphemy and arrogance. Lol...feel pained for what? That you can see Christ is no more that messenger but see that Christ is the WORD OF ALLAH and A SPIRIT from Allah and PURPOSELY IGNORED them By the way you haven't explained how Quran is THE WORD of Allah and is uncreated and Jesus who is also THE WORD of Allah is now created. The Qur'an isn't the bible where [size=14pt]prophets of God commit adultery etc,[/size] Like I stated there is no sin any prophet committed, infact we believe there were protected from the devil's influence I can't stop laughing...so what SINS Allah always tell Muhammad to ask forgiveness from and why will Allah forgive SINS THAT SOMEBODY didn't commit? As we can see from those verses I posted earlier. Like I said earlier, everyone can see that this is just a claim by Muslims to explain away some issue in the Quran not the evidence within the Quran and the hadith. For instance Moses was recorded to have killed, is that just a FEAR AND HUMBLE or a sin? But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell Matthew 5:22 Even Jesus' critiques were dumb-folded when He raised the question Which of YOU convict me of sin? John 8:46 So, ALL OPEN-MINDED person and Jesus' critiques understood Jesus' statement but ONLY close-minded person like you fail to do so. It is narrated from Abu Huraira, he said the Messenger of Allah -may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him said, "If my Lord was to judge me and Ibn Maryam (Jesus) even by the amount of the shadow between these two fingers, He would have punished us without being unjust." Hilya al-Awliya 8/132. Also quoted in Kanzul 'Ummal Hadith 5905 Imaging Allah will punish a JUST AND HOLY person, and still be UNJUST. But offcourse we still hold that they were sinless. You can HOLD to it but Quran and hadith are not. Jesus said father forgive them . . ., [size=14pt]why didn't he just forgive them without praying to God?[/size] oh wait, he was a messenger of God who despite christian ilogical claim about him had to resort to praying to God day in day out? This is the ignorant of the scripture we're talking about, Jesus made that statement WHILE HE WAS ON THE CROSS when the SIN of the world is ALREADY ON HIM the ONLY PERSON WHO CAN FORGIVE sin at that particular time is His Father who is sinless, while Jesus had never carried any sin He forgave people's sins and after He paid the price for the sin of the world He still forgives sin till now. Did Jesus know the day of Judgement? And this prove Bible conflicts view on Jesus NATURE, right? My point still stands, please show us how Bible conflict views on the NATURE OF Jesus Christ. For you to make that statement it's evident you know that Bible actually placed Jesus as God and man because only TWO VIEWS can conflict each other A SINGLE VIEW can't. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by mustymatic(m): 11:05am On Jul 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212:So Moses is god too wow 1 Like |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 11:10am On Jul 04, 2015 |
mustymatic:the quran has don soo much harm to your brain. |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by mustymatic(m): 5:40pm On Jul 04, 2015 |
malvisguy212:The similarities between your god and Moses? who's brain is more damaged here? |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by vedaxcool(m): 8:22am On Jul 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: 1. you obviously seem to be in an emotional state that you couldn't even understand the point I was making which muslims accept the virgin birth of Jesus without any doubt whatsoever, despite more and more christians doubt this. 2. If you can sensibly explain why the Queen of England refer to herself as 'we' it would make my work far easier. 3. Jesus mission was to the Jews only, your interpretation of the verse shows your folly, Allah was reminding the Jews of the favour he bestowed upon them and their covenant to him, not your lies of manifesting Himself to the rest of the world. Allah sent prophets and messengers to all of humanity. And do you now accept Allah is the same as God? 4. Lol you seem confused, I have explained the interpretation of the hadith take it or live it. Your misguided interpolation of the gospel into the hadith remains why you seem dumbfounded. 5. Read slowly and understand. 6. But you should know the verse since your are an expert in Quran , how did Jesus a.s went from one place to another in the gospel, and the same way you imagine Jesus a.s ascension occurred should be the same you imagine Muhammad pbuh ascended to heaven or do you intend to explain how Jesus was reported to have turned water to wine or other miracles God worked through him? 2 Likes |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by vedaxcool(m): 9:38am On Jul 05, 2015 |
Emusan:you seem to be performing woefully like your boy hence your resort to anger Emusan: My point is, you seem to be trying hard to refute issues not raised hence trying hard to be disagreeable to what ends, emotional let out? Well Muslim THESE days still believe in the miraculous virgin birth of Christ. Emusan: Keep fooling yourself if it allows you peace of mind not my business. All humans are divine according to your flawed and illogical way of reasoning, hence your claims of Jesus using the Qurán has been invalidated since the same Quran shows that everyman in existence came into existence by the command of God, likewise the universe exist by Allah command hence it is divine using your flawed logic, everything Allah creates is by his command, he needs say BE and it is "Verily, His command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, “Be!”– and it is!) [Surah Yasin:82)" But Muslims do not conceive interpret it to mean divinity rather it is manifestation of Allah's will same way Jesus is not devine same way no man is, we all 100% human including Jesus. Jesus was reported to have said in the bible by myself I can do nothing . . . read in between the lines: he is not divine nor divinity.4:172 Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah . . . 5:17 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. This hadith further butress this fact: God gathered all human beings, divided them into different groups, granted them human form and the faculty of speech, made them enter into a covenant, and then making them witnesses against themselves He asked them: 'Am I not your Lord?' They replied: 'Assuredly you are Our Lord.' Then God told them: 'I call upon the sky and the earth and your own progenitor, Adam, to be witness against you lest you should say on the Day of Judgement that you were ignorant of this. Know well that no one other than Me deserves to he worshipped and no one other than Me is your Lord. So do not ascribe any partner to Me. I shall send to you My Messengers who will remind you of this covenant which you made with Me. I shall send down to you My Books.' In reply all said: 'We witness that You are Our Lord and our Deity. We have no lord or deity other than You.' (Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, vol. 5, p. 135 - Ed.) Emusan: Yawns Emusan: Was Adam created? Was he devine? Wasn't Yahaya sinless? Emusan: We know from the way you sound distress you couldn't have been laughing when you posted this lol Allah encouragement is for the beleivers to seek repentance. This what happens when your bible teaches you that prophets routinely engaged in adultery, incest etc Moses killed ACCIDENTALLY NOT INTENTIONALLY, sins are intentional, despite this Moses a.s would seek forgiveness from Allah because that is what humility looks like, Allah knows what is in the heart of men,unlike the bible which claims sins are inheritable, The Qurán clearly states every Soul shall bear its burden. Emusan: You are not making any sense here, the bible said calling someone fool can land you in hell, Jesus called his elders worse, your bible says he needs to go to hell. if you can't explain why Jesus was always hurling invectives against his elders and even at his own mum as written in the bible then we are done. Emusan: The hadith invalidates your claims. Daz all Emusan: Emusan: Did Jesus say this to you? or Are you conjuring some thing up? No be lies you dey tell like this? Haba? Jesus couldn't forgive the people alledgely harming him because he was not the Father and had no power to forgive them. 3:24 For their forgeries deceive them as to their own religion. Emusan: Question: Did Jesus know when the day of Judgement is? If you have no answer be human and decent enough to say so! 2 Likes |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 10:50am On Jul 05, 2015 |
vedaxcool:1.the virgin birth was recorded in the bible, any christian who deny it was only removing from the word of God. 2. “We are not amused”. A phrase commonly attributed to Queen Victoria, though likely to have not been said by her. ALTHOUGH QUEEN VICTORIA WAS PROBABLY TALKING IN REFERENCE TO MEMBERS OF HER COURT rather than herself alone, in response to something that displeased the Royal party. http://royalcentral.co.uk/blogs/we-are-not-amused-a-guide-to-the-royal-we-837 so you fail woefully, try harder next time. 3. Liar!!! You said Allah was constantly remembering the isrealite of his COVENANT, was it not the covenant of PROPHETHOOD ? Why is the Arab have only ONE prophet (a false one) and the isrealite whom Jesus was sent only to have sooo many prophet ?as you claim Muhammed (an Arab) was sent to the world, a single prophet from Arab to the WHOLE world!!! But the isrealite who produce many prophet, this prophets was sent to them ONLY. Note: if Jesus was sent to the isrealite alone and the others prophet was sent to this world, it will make NO sense for this prophet to prophecies about Jesus. 4 Your mind is blind, I ask you a simple question, is Jesus a sinner according to the quran? And give reason. Apart from Jesus , name just ONE prophet who is sinless. 5 See who is saying I should read slowly!!! The eyes is of no used when the mind is blind. 6 Let me repeat my self again. Provide the verse that say muhammed went to heaven. |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by mustymatic(m): 2:09pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Guy go sit down abeg, no reasoning works wit u 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 2:25pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
mustymatic:if you cannot answer my questions, why do you quote me? 1 Like |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by myproperty(m): 5:54pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: If this comparison is flawed, give us a better means of comparison. We are waiting 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by myproperty(m): 6:01pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
bilalfarid: So what would you use to decide who is greater between Christ and Mohammed?Is in in quantum of violence? or in child marriage? laying ambush for rich mecca merchants and stealing away their good? or in spreading hatred? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by plainbibletruth: 6:19pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
Going through this: https://www.nairaland.com/2391643/uniqueness-jesus-Quran one can see that "the difference is clear!" Jesus stands head and shoulders above every other human being. |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 7:23pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
plainbibletruth:this muslims are being manipulated by satan, the quran gives Jesus more authority than muhammed, YET this muslims are denying it, Jesus performed miracles: in particular that he restored sight to the blind, healed lepers and raised people from the dead (Sura 3:49, 5:11). The Qur’an also affirms that Jesus brought ‘the message of the Gospel’ and that he committed no sin (Sura 3:46). The Qur’an calls Jesus ‘the statement of truth’ (Sura 17:24), a similar claim to Jesus calling himself ‘the Way the Truth and the Life’ in John 14:6. Similarly, the Qur’an calls Jesus the Word (Sura 10:19 . John 1:1), the Apostle (Sura 19:31. Hebrews 3:1) The Qur’an records the certainty of death of Muhammad and his followers: Surah 39:30: “Lo! thou wilt die, and lo! they will die.” (Pickthall) Contrast the above statement with the assurance that Jesus Christ gave to his true followers: John 14:19: “Because I live, you will live also.” The difference between Jesus and Muhammad is as the difference between life and death. And this gives us a compelling reason to reject Islam. John 17:3: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 7:29pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
AN OPEN LETTER TO SINCERE MUSLIMS If you strongly believe that Muhammad can guide you to gain eternal salvation, please consider the following confessions of Muhammad in the Qur’an: Surah 46:9: “Say: I am not the first of the apostles, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.” (Shakir) Surah 6:50: (Muhammad), tell them, “I do not claim to have all the treasures of God in my hands, nor to know the unseen, nor do I claim to be an angel. I follow only what is revealed to me (from God).” Say to them, “Are the blind and the seeing equal?” Why then do you not think? (Sarwar) Surah 7:188: Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah wills. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil could have touched me: I am only a Warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have Faith (in Allah).” (S. V. Ahamed) Surah 72:21 is even more damaging regarding your prospect of gaining salvation through this man whom you believe to be a prophet of God. Given below are two translations of this verse. Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no power to harm you, nor to guide you.” (Khalifa) “It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path.” (Hilali-Khan) Do you really understand the gravity of Muhammad’s statement when he said, “I possess no power to guide you” or “to bring you to the Right Path”? Is it not a prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so? However, regarding the guidance of Jesus, reflect carefully on what the Qur’an itself reveals about it in the following verse. Ponder how well Jesus must have guided his followers and continues to guide them through the teachings of the Holy Bible. Surah 3:55: Behold! God said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee of the falsehoods of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection.” (Yusuf Ali, Original 1938) Those who follow Jesus are Christians. And the Qur’an states very clearly that they will be made superior until “the Day of Resurrection.” The Day of Resurrection or Qiyamah will occur at the time of the end. This means that, according to the Qur’an, even at this very moment true Christians are in an exulted position as far their worship is concerned. If Christians are made superior until the Day of Resurrection as the Qur’an itself testifies, where do you think will be their final destination? Coming back to Muhammad, not only was he unsure about the outcome of his or your salvation but he was also fearful about it. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 454: Narrated Masruq:’Aisha said that a Jewess came to her and mentioned the punishment in the grave, saying to her, “May Allah protect you from the punishment of the grave.” ‘Aisha then asked Allah’s Apostle about the punishment of the grave. He said, “Yes, (there is) punishment in the grave.” ‘Aisha added, “After that I never saw Allah’s Apostle but seeking refuge with Allah from the punishment in the grave in every prayer he prayed.” 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by vedaxcool(m): 7:56pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: 1. Yada yada yada 2. You are even ignorant in simple wordly matters how in the world did we expect you to be able understand simple religious matter? The royal "we", or majestic plural (pluralis majestatis in Latin, literally, "the plural of majesty", is the use of a plural pronoun to refer to a single person holding a high office, such as a sovereign (e.g., a monarch or sultan) or religious leader (e.g., the Pope or a bishop). The more general word for the use of we to refer to oneself is nosism. Speakers employing the royal we refer to themselves using a grammatical number other than the singular (i.e., in plural or dual form). For example, the Basic Law of the Sultanate of Oman opens with "On the Issue of the Basic Law of the State We, Qaboos bin Said, Sultan of Oman...".[1] Non-Western usage Several prominent epithets of the Bible describe the Jewish God in plural terms: Elohim, Adonai, and El Shaddai. Many Christian scholars, including the likes of Augustine of Hippo, have seen the use of the plural and grammatically singular verb forms as support for the doctrine of the Trinity.[7] [b]Judaism rejects the notion of the Trinity[8] and argues instead that these cases are merely examples of the majestic plural.[9] [/b]Secular scholars consider these forms to be holdovers from early Israelite/Canaanite beliefs, before the development of monolatrism/monotheism. [b]Similarly, the God of the Qur‘an employs the Arabic pronoun nahnu ("We" or its associated verb suffix in many [/b]verses.[10] Source 3 - 5 I don't do repeat business. Dazz all |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by vedaxcool(m): 8:18pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
The God that never was and never will be: 1- Jesus is not all knowing: Mark 24: 32-36: 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only 2.Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells us not to trust the son of man: Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head. Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Psalms 146: 1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my soul. 2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being. 3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. 1- Jesus is the son of man 2- The OT tells us not to put our trust in the son of man 3- We cannot put our trust in Jesus as we do with God 4- Jesus is not God 3. Jesus no authority or Power John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me So as we can see, Jesus GIVEN everything he had! This all included miracle, doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do anything of his own, he never performed a miracle by his own power, he was given the miracle. He never taught anything of his own, rather he was taught by God and spoke what God told him to speak. Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me many more |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 8:31pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
vedaxcool:you cannot even answer my simple question I ask, the quran say Jesus is sinless, ONLY Jesus , NO one else is, doesent this proved He is indeed a deity? Let this be seal in your heart. From the link you paste, I click were they write (see the Author's WE) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosism#The_author.27s_.22we.22_or_pluralis_modestiae the link direct me to were the ROYAL "WE" is explained: The author's "we" or pluralis modestiae Similar to the editorial "we", pluralis modestiae is the practice common in scientific literature of referring to a generic third person by we (instead of the more common one or the informal you): By adding four and five, we obtain nine. We are thus led also to a definition of "time" in physics. – Albert Einstein "We" in this sense often refers to "the reader and the author," since the author often assumes that the reader knows and agrees with certain principles or previous theorems for the sake of brevity (or, if not, the reader is prompted to look them up). This practice is also common in philosophy journals and texts, and comments in computer source code. [ citation needed] The patronizing "we" The patronizing "we" is sometimes used in addressing instead of "you," suggesting that the addressee is not alone in his or her situation, that "I am with you, we are in this together." This usage is emotionally non-neutral and usually bears a condescending, ironic, praising, or some other connotation, depending on an intonation: "Aren't we looking cute?" This is sometimes employed by health care workers when addressing their patients, e. g. "How are we feeling today?" The non-confrontative "we" In distinction to the patronizing "we" is the non-confrontative "we" used in T-V languages such as Spanish where the phrase ¿Cómo estamos? (literally, "How are we?" is sometimes used to avoid both over-familiarity and over-formality among near-peer acquaintances. |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 8:53pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
vedaxcool:Jesus has TWO nature, fully God and Fully man , God did not override the nature of christ , CHRIST is MAN, there are things which are not allowed to revealed to the human nature of christ . The eternal Son, as God, by his omniscience, and as man, by knowledge imparted to him, knows perfectly the day and the hour of the future judgment. But Christ as MAN , and as the MESSENGER from God to men, did not so know it as to be able to reveal it to men. The ambassador, if he is asked concerning the secret counsels of his sovereign, may truly answer that he knows them not so as to communicate them to others. For as an ambassador he only communicates those things which are committed to him by his sovereign to deliver, and not those things which he is bidden to keep secret. Jesus as a man did Not speak his word . The inspired Word of God makes it abundantly plain: The "good news" that Jesus Christ brought was about the KINGDOM OF GOD! The "gospel of Jesus Christ" is simply the message of good news that Jesus preached not a message about Jesus.; And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the KINGDOM, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people. ( Matthew 4:23) » And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the KINGDOM, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. ( Matthew 9:35) » Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the KINGDOM OF GOD, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15) » [Jesus] said to them, "I must preach the KINGDOM OF GOD to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent." ( Luke 4:43) » Now it came to pass, afterward, that [Jesus] went through every city and village, preaching and bringing the glad tidings [gospel] of the KINGDOM OF GOD. (Luke 8:1) » The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the KINGDOM OF GOD has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. ( Luke 16:16-17) So you failed WOEFULLY!!! |
Re: A Comparison Between Jesus And Muhammad by malvisguy212: 8:56pm On Jul 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212:NO muslims will be able to reply this. Let the truth be sealed. |
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