I am currently reading a book entitled; was the original jesus a pagan god, the book is very insulting the christian community, but my side is not to disagree but to explain, to understand what i'll be saying you'll have to read the bokk or a review. The authors of the book say that the ancient godman osiris (of egypt) has a lot of similarities to jesus and so does the greek godman of Dyionusus (that's not how its spelt). so therfore they gathered upa conclusion that the modern day christian religion originated from paganism, and also concluded that jesus is a myth like the other godmen of the medditareanan (gee can't spell it), but my theory is a lot more overwhelming, it's called the theory of cheops, the pyramid of cheops in egypt was the largest pyramid when built, it lost about thirty feet so it aint no more. the pyramid is thought to have powers that can predict the future, a lot of people visited the pyramid including napolean (and he saw his future), the pyramid predicted the death of jesus before he was even boren, which brings me to think that could it have predicted his birth, therfore making the ancient egyptians create the misled thought of osiris.----------- Peace ----------

This theory is meant to say that the only reason why osiris(godman of egyt) and jesus have similarities is because the egyptians had a glimpse of jesus through the pyramid and formed osiris, because what they saw was hard to digest they couldn't create the exact copy of jeusus in thier minds so thats why osiris and jesus aren't 100% the same. peace

I've read the Bible and i know that the son of God(Jesus) that God sent to the earth is not a fake.
So whoever is believing something else can go to h*ll

oracle we live in a world of confusion, take it easy on me bro, i'm just a sad brother that's been led astray

@dblock - I just came across your thread. Please do not be sad and don't let anyone lead you astray. Do please hold my hand
and let's go meet Jesus.

But then, would you like to meet Jesus?—hear him speaking, see him in action, know his personality? Don't just depend on a religious system or on what other people say. Come and see for yourself. Go to a house where Jesus is having dinner. Get into a boat with Jesus and his friends. Sit on a grassy hillside and listen to Jesus tell stories. Walk with Jesus down dusty roads and see how he relates to people. Notice who likes Jesus, and why. Notice who hates Jesus, and why. Come and see!

How can you do that? Do you need a magic machine to bring you to another time and place? No, you just need the New Testament gospels written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Those inspired books have miraculous power to carry you across time and space and into contact with Jesus as he walked this earth long ago. And as you go to meet Jesus in that time and place, Jesus comes to meet you in this time and place. You enter his life, and he enters your life. Come and see!

As the biblical gospels carry you into contact with Jesus, one of the first things you notice is that Jesus is glad to see you and pleased that you want to meet him. Just hang around with him for a while, and find out what happens.
As you watch Jesus in action, you see that he has a remarkable effect on people. Just a few hours with him—sometimes just a few minutes—is enough to make people realize that Jesus is like nobody they’ve ever met before. Some conclude that he is the key to everything they have been looking for.
For example, two men are told by Jesus' cousin, John the Baptist, that Jesus is somebody special. Jesus isn't yet well known and hasn't done anything spectacular, but the two men decide to tag along behind him. Jesus turns and notices them following. He asks, "What do you want?" Perhaps they’re not sure what to say, so they stammer, "Where are you staying?"
"Come," he replies, "and you will see."

So they go and see where Jesus is staying and spend the rest of the day with him. It’s already late in the afternoon, about four o'clock. But that short time between four o'clock and bedtime is enough to amaze them and convince them to stick with Jesus and invite others to meet him.
One of the two men is named Andrew. The first thing Andrew does is to find his brother Simon and tell him, "We have found the Messiah," the Savior God's people have been longing for. And Andrew brings Simon to Jesus.

Jesus takes one look at Simon and, without asking his name, says, "You are Simon son of John. You will be called Peter," which means "rock." What sort of person knows your name without asking? What sort of person renames you "solid rock" when you're just a flighty fisherman? Simon Peter may be puzzled by all this, but like his brother Andrew, he is amazed and captivated by Jesus and decides to hang around with him.
The next day Jesus walks up to a man named Philip, who comes from the same town as Andrew and Peter. "Follow me," Jesus tells Philip. Now, if somebody comes to you and expects you to drop everything and go with him, what should you do? If someone ordinary tells you to follow him, you might refuse. But Jesus' personality is so powerful and persuasive that when Jesus says, "Follow me," Philip leaps at the chance.
In fact, meeting Jesus is so exciting that Philip wants someone else to meet him. Philip finds his friend Nathaniel and tells him, "We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."
Nathaniel, however, is not impressed, especially when he hears that Jesus comes from Nazareth. Nazareth is a town with a bad reputation, a place for losers, and Nathaniel says so. There was nothing sneaky or subtle about Nathaniel. He doesn’t hide his feelings. He honestly says what is on his mind. "Nazareth!" snorts Nathaniel. "Can anything good come from there?"
Philip doesn’t try to argue with Nathaniel. Philip simply answers, "Come and see." He is positive that meeting Jesus personally, even for a few minutes, will amaze Nathaniel and win him over despite his low opinion of Jesus' hometown. Nathaniel agrees to go. He has his prejudices and doubts, but he is still honestly willing to check Jesus out for himself.

When Jesus sees Nathaniel approaching, he says, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false." How does Nathaniel react? He may like the compliment, but what's a compliment really worth if it comes from someone who has never even met you before? How would this stranger know there’s nothing phony about Nathaniel? What if he’s just trying to flatter him? So instead of thanking Jesus for the compliment, Nathaniel says, "How do you know me?"
Jesus answers, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you."
At that Nathaniel's doubts disappear. This man whom he has never met before knows exactly where he has been and what he was doing earlier that day, and he also knows his character. Somehow Jesus already knows him inside and out. Suddenly it dawns on Nathaniel who Jesus must be. "Rabbi," he says, "you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel." (see John 1:35-51)
One after another, people who meet Jesus are amazed and gripped by his personality—and this is before Jesus has even begun to do the things that will soon make him famous. Before long Jesus will do mighty miracles and preach to enormous crowds who hang on his every word. Some folks will get caught up in the mood of excitement surrounding Jesus, the way star-struck fans go into a frenzy over a celebrity superstar. But Andrew, Peter, Philip, and Nathaniel are meeting Jesus at the beginning of his ministry, before he’s famous, before huge crowds are gathering around him. It’s not publicity or a general mood of excitement that makes Andrew, Peter, Phillip, and Nathaniel marvel at Jesus; it is Jesus himself. Jesus is so magnetic, so magnificent, that they sense he must be the Messiah, the one promised by the prophets, the Son of God, their King. They still have a lot to learn, but one thing they know: in meeting Jesus, they have met more than just another man. In meeting Jesus, they are getting to know God in a fresh, wonderful way and having their deepest longings satisfied. When they want to share their discovery with family and friends and others they meet, they don’t give a long speech. They just say, "Come and see. Check him out for yourself."
That's my invitation to you right now: come and see. Take a few minutes with me to meet Jesus and get to know him. Don't just go by hearsay or by what you happen to think of religion in general. Come and see Jesus and meet him for yourself.

My dear dblock, are you still there? As you meet Jesus in the Bible, you find that he welcomes all kinds of people. It doesn't matter who you are—man or woman, grandparent or child, fisherman or farmer, priest or prostitute, soldier or rebel, cop or criminal, ruler or slave, rich or poor, educated or uneducated, healthy or disabled, religious or rotten, sensible or demon-possessed—Jesus warmly welcomes anyone who wants to meet him and get to know him better. He never tells anyone that he's too important or too busy or too good for them.
As you're hanging around with Jesus, you see several young mothers with little kids and babies, wanting Jesus to touch their children and pray for them. Some of the people around Jesus tell the women to go away. They say that Jesus can't be bothered with babies and housewives. But when Jesus sees women and children treated as though they don't count, it makes him mad. "Let the little children come to me," he says. "Don't hinder them. God's kingdom is for kids like these."

Later you're walking down the road behind Jesus, along with a crowd of others. Suddenly you hear a couple of loudmouth guys making a racket: "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us." Two blind beggars, who are beside that road every day looking for handouts, have heard Jesus is going past. When they start yelling, the crowd scolds them and tells them to shut up. After all, Jesus is on the move. He’s got big plans! Why should a couple of no-account freeloaders make a scene and interfere with his schedule? But the blind men won't give up. They yell all the louder, and Jesus doesn't mind at all. In fact, he seems pleased. He stops and asks them what they want. They tell him they want to see. Jesus' face is full of pity. He touches their eyes. Suddenly they can see, and they join his other followers.
As you hang around with Jesus, you find out that he not only makes time for women and children and disabled people but also for people who are downright bad. He sits down for supper with crooks and prostitutes and riffraff of every kind. He accepts invitations from almost anybody, and he even invites himself to their place if they feel unworthy to invite him. Sometimes it hurts his reputation among the more upstanding, religious members of society. They think he's got no standards. But Jesus calmly tells them that the reason he came is to help sinners—and it seems to be working. Eating with crooks doesn't make Jesus go crooked; it helps crooks go straight. Welcoming prostitutes doesn't make Jesus sexually immoral; it helps prostitutes become sexually pure and transforms them into wise women who stop selling their bodies and start serving God.
At times it almost seems Jesus prefers lowly people to important people and rotten sinners to decent citizens. He warns some of the more upstanding folks that they are in danger of hell and that lowlifes are entering heaven's kingdom ahead of them. At one point he even says it would be easier for a camel to squeeze through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to be saved. But Jesus adds, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." And sure enough, even though many big shots oppose Jesus, he welcomes any who want to meet him.
He even meets them on their terms. A rich, religious man named Nicodemus wants to see Jesus but doesn't want the public to see them together. He wants Jesus to have a secret meeting with him at night. Does Jesus refuse? No, he's friendly even with a man who is ashamed to be seen with him. But when he sits down with Nicodemus, Jesus informs him that he must be born again and believe in Jesus in order to be saved, and he says that a saved person won't hide in the dark but will live in God's light.

Jesus doesn't push anyone away but he also doesn't pull any punches, either. He's willing to meet people on their terms, but they can stay with him and follow him only on his terms. He won't exclude anyone because of their past, but he won't include anyone who refuses to leave their past and entrust their future to him. Nobody is so bad they can't have him, but nobody is so good they don't need him. He's willing to meet you where you are, but then you must be willing to follow wherever he leads.
In meeting Jesus, you meet a combination of humility and authority you won't meet anywhere else, an astonishing union of tenderness and toughness. One moment he's cuddling babies; the next moment he confronting rulers. One moment he lying exhausted and asleep in a boat that's being rocked by a storm; the next moment he's ordering the storm around. One moment he's weeping at the grave of his dead friend Lazarus; the next he's ordering death itself to release his friend. One moment he's on his knees like a slave, washing other people's dirty feet; the next he says he's their Lord and Master. Jesus feels the weakness, pain and poverty of humanity, and at the same time he unleashes the power, healing, and abundance of God. He doesn't have even a small hut for a home, yet he strides through God's temple as though he owns the place. He doesn't have a penny to his name, yet he talks like the whole world is his. Could even the least human be humbler and more vulnerable? Could even almighty God be greater and more powerful? What else can you think except that Jesus must be completely human and at the some time fully divine?
One thing is for sure: Jesus isn't boring. There's never a dull moment when you're around him. When he speaks, you might feel confused, you might even get upset and angry at some of the things he says, but one thing you won't do is yawn. So much of what he says has an unexpected twist. He tells a story about a lousy crook and a respectable teacher. The punch line is that God accepts the crook and rejects the teacher. Jesus tells another story about a rotten kid who runs away from home, blows all his money, wrecks his life, damages his family's reputation, and, when he hits bottom, stumbles back home. His dad welcomes him back with hugs and a big party—but meanwhile there's a well-behaved older brother who seems to have done everything right and yet ends up feeling left out.
Jesus says some things that seem like splendid common sense, but he also says things that sound perplexing and outrageous. It's not always easy to figure out what Jesus means. Still, his voice rings with such authority that even if you can't understand him, you also can't ignore him.
Expert scholars try to stump Jesus or trick him into saying something foolish, but Jesus always has the perfect answer. The smartest people can’t outwit him, yet the simplest people can benefit from his teaching. Jesus’ simple brilliance makes people wonder, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?” (John 7:15)
People are amazed not only at Jesus’ brilliance but at the sheer authority of his speaking. He’s not like other teachers who debate the fine points of religion and pile up quotes from other experts. Jesus often challenges expert opinion and declares the truth on based on divine authority.
Jesus’ enemies send armed guards to arrest him, but those tough, no-nonsense officers find themselves arrested by Jesus’ words. They drink in his words and then go away without seizing him. Asked why they didn’t arrest Jesus, they reply, “No one ever spoke the way this man does.” That’s because no one but Jesus ever spoke as God with us.

Perhaps Jesus' most striking use of authority is the way he gives orders to demons. Evil spirits who have been controlling people can't stand up to him. The demons do whatever Jesus tells them to do. Whenever he orders them to leave a person, they leave.
Demons are not wimps. They are rebel angels who have lost all goodness but still have terrible strength. When evil spirits take possession of someone, it’s not easy to drive them out. No mere human can do it. People aren’t strong enough to defeat demons.
It’s astounding, then, when someone comes along who makes demons tremble and run. Evil spirits that nobody could drive away are suddenly in full retreat when Jesus shows up. When a demon-possessed man makes an awful scene in a worship service, Jesus merely speaks, and the demon flees.
Another man is possessed by a whole army of demons and lives in a graveyard. One moment you see this man naked, uncontrollable, screaming in a demonic voice, foaming at the mouth, a danger to himself and others. He is naked, uncontrollable, foaming at the mouth, screaming in a demonic voice, a danger to himself and others. Then Jesus gives an order. The next moment the man is well-dressed, in his right mind, talking with Jesus, beaming with joy (see Mark 5:1-20).
What sort of person can order demons around? Some of Jesus’ enemies think that the reason demons listen to Jesus is that Jesus himself is possessed by the chief demon of them all. But Jesus does so much damage to the cause of the demons that many people can't believe he can't possibly be a tool of the chief demon. If Jesus’ power isn’t demonic or merely human, there’s one possibility left: his power is divine. He must be God come to save his people. What about you? Where do you think Jesus gets his power over demons?

Wherever his power comes from, Jesus has plenty of it. He kicks out demons. He gives orders to the wind. He makes paralyzed people walk. He makes blind people see. He makes deaf people hear. He touches lepers and outcasts with contagious diseases, and instead of Jesus getting sick from them, they get well from him. Huge crowds start flocking to him, bringing their sick and disabled friends with them, and Jesus heals them all. He feeds thousands of hungry people with five loaves of bread and two fish. He even raises the dead. A funeral procession breaks up when Jesus brings the boy in the coffin to life, to the delight of his widowed mother. A girl lying dead on her bed suddenly sits up in good health, thanks to a word from Jesus. It is the greatest outburst of miracles anyone has ever seen.
The miracles show awesome power, and they also show love and compassion. Jesus doesn't just heal; he also touches and talks with those he heals, restoring their spirits as well as their bodies. Sometimes he declares their sins to be forgiven. Jesus doesn't just cure problems; he cares about people.
And besides his power and compassion, there's also his personal purity. When you meet Jesus, you find that he practices what he preaches. He can't be flattered or bribed or seduced. Even his enemies can't come up with any scandal to discredit him. He treats women with utmost respect, without a hint of lust. He lives one day at a time, trusting his heavenly Father, without using his fame to pile up money. There's nothing greedy about him. He is patient with people and never scolds anyone unless it's for their own good. He always uses his power for the good of others, never for his own convenience. When Jesus asks, “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?” nobody can charge him with doing wrong. Never has anyone been so perfectly in line with God's standards.
Still, his perfect goodness isn't a grumpy, sour strictness. Jesus often speaks of God's reign in terms of a huge party, and almost everywhere he goes, people are throwing parties for him. In fact, he's involved in so many parties and is the focus of so much fun that some folks criticize him for not being stern and strict enough. He's got the wrong kind of friends, and they are enjoying themselves far too much, to suit the guardians of dour decency. But despite those complaints, Jesus keeps making new friends who keep throwing parties for him
Jesus himself is the life of the party. The sinners he befriends can’t help celebrating (Mark 2:19). "I have come," explains Jesus, "that they may have life, and have it to the full" (John 10:10). That’s why there are parties wherever he goes. Jesus tells his friends that he embodies God's love to them. He does all this, he says, “so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete" (John 15:11). Life to the full, complete joy—that's why there are parties wherever Jesus goes. People have never been so happy as when they are with Jesus, and they keep inviting others to come and see.

What about you dblock? Now that you've met Jesus and had a few minutes to get acquainted, what do you think? Can you see what the excitement is about? Can you see why so many people are convinced that he's the Son of God? Would you like to know Jesus better? Then don't stop here. Spend more time with him. Open your Bible to the gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Pray for the Holy Spirit to connect you with Jesus. Then read more and more of the inspired gospel words, and experience the shock and wonder of being with Jesus.
If you watch Jesus in action, you'll see that no one ever did what Jesus does. If you listen to Jesus speak, you'll hear that no one ever spoke the way Jesus speaks. If you sense Jesus’ character, you'll feel that no one ever lived the way he lives and that no one ever loved the way he loves. Ultimately, you will see Jesus hanging on a cross, dying to pay for your sins, and you will discover him as the risen Lord who has defeated death to give you eternal life.
Sometimes just hearing someone else talk about Jesus is enough to convince you that he's astonishing. That can be the first step in trusting him and having a relationship with him, but there's nothing better than getting to know Jesus for yourself.
A woman goes through several failed marriages before she meets Jesus. Somehow Jesus already knows all about her bad past, but he befriends her and says she can have eternal life in him. The woman is overjoyed. She rushes off to tell others in her village to come and see Jesus. Her testimony is so striking that many of the townspeople believe that Jesus must be the Messiah. But do they stop with what the woman has told them? No, they want to meet Jesus for themselves and get to know him better, so they ask Jesus to stay with them awhile. Many who weren't convinced before soon become believers, and those who already believe what the woman said about Jesus have their faith made more personal and powerful when they meet him firsthand. They tell the woman, "We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world" (John 4:42).
I hope you have that same experience and believe not just because of what I've said but because you've met Jesus for yourself and have a personal relationship with him and know beyond a doubt that Jesus really is the Savior of the world. When Jesus says to you, "Follow me," do it. Only Jesus can give you a life worth living. Only Jesus can give you joy that lasts forever.

Brother dblock, I can see you want to leave my hand and hold the hand of Jesus. I don't blame you. I want to hold His hand too because I need Him now more than ever before. These are trying times and I cannot cope all by myself - not with all the acts and endorsements of deceptions, wickedness, murders, iniquities, abominations, etc by the world's 'intelligentia'. The silence and covert approvals by people who should know better in christendom, all because they want to keep/improve church attendance makes me very vulnerable and afraid to let go Jesus' hand.

( Thank you Bro feddes for your wonderful Radio message of Sunday 26th Nov 2006 and titled 'Getting to know Jesus' - from which this post is taken and shared).

Bro dblock, as you endeavour to hold on to Jesus and follow him, I trust that one glorious day, we shall meet at the feet of Jesus. God bless you good.

Since God the Almighty does not have any son, because there is no need for Him (God) to procreate, a trait of human anyway. So to assert that Jesus, a prophet, regardless of the miracle in his birth and all the miracles that he performed, all of that amounted to nothing more than a human. However, he was a special human. You will remember that he even ate, slept, got tired, deficated like every human. From the animal kingdom, the termite's worker and soldier is produced in the same way that Jesus was produced by his God, The Almighty. The termite soldier or worker is from egg that the male sperm is no deposited on, it is unfertilized. Today, you have babies being produced in all forms of ways without male and female having sexual activity.
If you analyse the creation of Jesus, is it more miraculous than the miracle of the creation of his father, Adam or his mother, Eve? Remember that Jesus even came from the womb of a young woman, Mary and thgere was a pregnant term and then birth with it are the placenta, after birth, the water broke and the blood!
With this above, you will realise that anyone whoever takes Jesus as a god, has really assigned falsehood to Jesus. Hence the person ia worshipping a false god. Trully a pagan because there is a prophet (Jesus),and a book that he came with, but such a person has cling to the untruth because of acceptance of wrong defination of Jesus drwn from a corrupt book. THINK ABOUT IT. Can God handle all the affairs by Himself, just the same way He has been doing it before He created Jesus from Mary?

Mallam Olabowale, mallam Olabowale - tut tut   I suppose your ideas on Jesus are from the koran, no?
Do I expect to convince you about the deity of Jesus? Perhaps you would want me to talk about your sources?
Don't think I should - not when Davidylan and Havila have done much in that aspect.

Do have a wonderful day my friend.

olabowale:

Since God the Almighty does not have any son, because there is no need for Him (God) to procreate, a trait of human anyway. So to assert that Jesus, a prophet, regardless of the miracle in his birth and all the miracles that he performed, all of that amounted to nothing more than a human. However, he was a special human. You will remember that he even ate, slept, got tired, deficated like every human. From the animal kingdom, the termite's worker and soldier is produced in the same way that Jesus was produced by his God, The Almighty. The termite soldier or worker is from egg that the male sperm is no deposited on, it is unfertilized. Today, you have babies being produced in all forms of ways without male and female having sexual activity. If you analyse the creation of Jesus, is it more miraculous than the miracle of the creation of his father, Adam or his mother, Eve?

Whao!! This, unfortunately and as much as I struggle not to say it, is indeed precocious use of inept logic. How can you disregard his miracle birth, and the countless miracles he performed and declared that: "all that amounted to nothing more than a human" (?) Tell me or show us another human man who had such a miraculous birth or performed such awesome miracles attested to even in the quran. It is not 'human' to have a miraculous or divine conception, that is infantile logic, c'mon men!! And how do you rationalise you submission, by comparing it with termites and IVF, absolutely mundane and ludicrous.
Jesus is God and in existence before creation of world or firstman Adam and he attested to it Himself when he declared "Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. (John 8:58) and he also said in Matthew 28 vs 18-20 that: "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you
Now if you know the meaning of the word 'Baptism or Baptizing', then you will know that Jesus is claiming his Divinity here as God the Son.
Can you show us at least any, and I mean ANY, miracle perfomed by muhammed or compare their births, wisdom should show that Jesus Christ is Not 'Human' as Muhammed is very very human or rather inhuman and neither is He just a prophet of God. He is God.

@ Olabowale, just for the fun of it i have decided to reproduce your own form of misplaced reasoning,

Since allah does not have any son, because there is no need for Him (allah) to procreate, a trait of slaves anyway. So to assert that mohammed, a prophet, regardless of the "miracle" in his revelations and all the revelations that he recieved, all of that amounted to nothing more than evil. However, he was a subhuman. You will remember that he even ate, slept, killed, raped, got tired, deficated like every human.

With this above, you will realise that anyone whoever takes mohammed as a prophet, has really assigned falsehood to mohammed. Hence the person ia worshipping a false god. Trully a pagan because there is a prophet (mohammed),and a book that he forged, but such a person has cling to the untruth because of acceptance of wrong defination of mohammed drwn from a corrupt book. THINK ABOUT IT. Can allah handle all the affairs by Himself, just the same way He has been doing it before He was rid of his two daughters?

we are at it again, religious tug-of-war!May God plant our feet on the right path.

Da Hell, too long to read

@Wumine: Amiin to your prayer.

@Davidylan: Just for the fun of it? I am sure everything is for the fun of it, which includes your religion and the way of worship. Sometimes ago, I said to one of the individuals who claimed that he was a muslims and then converted to christianity, that he wanted to join the 'feel good club'. You definately proof my statement to be true. Yes, I am a slave of God, since He is my Creator and calls me a name that befits His defination of me. I am not ashamed to refer to myself as a slave of Allah. See, He is not like the humans who oppressed each other and curtail individual freedom, now does He allow you to have ubfettered freedom, which may infring on others! The term 'subhuman', is used by white people on black and others around the world. Still they continue to use it today, even in your deep freeze Rochester, NY. All of that chemicals from Kodak is probably dangerous and makes one delutional. I can see. Subhuman is a term that Muhammad (AS) by his Lord eradicated from the normal lexicon of the Arabs. By Allah, Muhammad led the Arabs and indeed the Muslims around the world from midnight darkness to Afternoon light. If you see any muslim behaving badly, if he/she were not a muslim the behaviour could have been worse. If any none Muslim have good behaviour, he/she would be better if were muslim. Such is the blessing that his life presented to mankind. Subhuman, that belong to your thinking and mouth and those who are like you. In the past, I stayed away from you, but now, you need thorough education and it is in the classroom or the professional live alone. You need somebody in the home, in this case I will do it from afar.

@ Olabowale,
Just as the Fela song goes:
Teacher teacher no be lecturer be your name, no come dey teach me nonsense.

Sorry we dont make foolishness our watchword as your religion teaches you to do that.

Next time look for a dummy as yourself to do that with.
Guess there should be a textbook soon Islam for dummies!!!!!

We are more educated here to know better.

As to the topic, Jesus is not a pagan.

No matter how each and every one of us try to condemn, ridicule or blaspheme others religion, it wont work. This is because there are countless numbers of people who are making a living by holding tenaciously to the tenets of their religion. Where bread is butter can be well defended to the last drop of blood. Religious arguments should never be encouraged, no side will ever win. The truth however is that, Islam and Christianity religion has come to stay, and no matter any manouvres by any nation, religious body, groups, organisation, individual can change that status quo. Another thing is, where ever side human being belongs to has been known to be the side we defended so well, nobody here can claim to be a holder of monopoly to blasphemy of other people's religion, it will never work. One similar thing about both christianity and islamic relgion is that, THERE IS GOD. or better still in pidgin english GOD DEY, is it not enough to say that both religion are on the right track?

olabowale:

In the past, I stayed away from you, but now, you need thorough education and it is in the classroom or the professional live alone.

Olabowale,

Let me tell you that you know the major ills and slips of your prophet but you have deliberately refused to just bolt away from that time bomb. I keep wondering that inspite of the overwhelming evidence that proves that Islam is a fraud (a potpourri of various religions) and largely an adaptation of the prevailing culture of the arabians, you peopl refuse to simply see the truth. Their is no shame in discovering the truth; infact there is more honour in recovering from a sliding past.

What sort of vain religion shrouds the identity of its god? Your god does not describe himself. You say it is to being him down to the level of humans and that is blasphemy according to you people. Your god's name is an adaptation of one of the names of the one of the gods of the arabs; the moon god. Your prophet lived a life only of violense, lewdness nad hate and yet you say Islam means peace? Your have classified lands into two (land of WAR and land of islam). The land of war is where you have 'infidels" - there, muslims are told to first grow largely in number mainly by reproduction and when their numbrs outgrows the original inhabitants, they should declare jihad and convert it to land of Islam. Does that make sense in this centruy.

Again , you have so much fatal errors in your professed holy book where your prophet commands the angels to bring a verse to always justify his mischievious deeds. A prophet marrying an 8-yr old, marrying the wife of his adopted son? Cant you see that he was just a fraud? Or are you saying that though the did all these things, we should overlook it and still regard him a prophet? God forbid. He lived too much of a low and ridicuolous live when compared to my Jesus.

Anybody still assigning the office of a prophet to mohamad is obvioulsy in a dream land.

God have mercy!

no be small thing oh

yet another childish my-god-is-better-than-your-god tug of war. the bible god has really slacked alot cos even tho he was a monster in the OT he usually comes down to fight his wars by literally striking people down n all dat stuff. now he just leaves the job to his e-followers. smh

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No, he is not a pagan God. What he was, however, was a copy of the predominant godman archetypes of the ancient pagan mystery religions that predate Jesus and the religions that were built around his copied mythology.

dblock:

I am currently reading a book entitled; was the original jesus a pagan god, the book is very insulting the christian community, but my side is not to disagree but to explain, to understand what i'll be saying you'll have to read the bokk or a review. The authors of the book say that the ancient godman osiris (of egypt) has a lot of similarities to jesus and so does the greek godman of Dyionusus (that's not how its spelt). so therfore they gathered upa conclusion that the modern day christian religion originated from paganism, and also concluded that jesus is a myth like the other godmen of the medditareanan (gee can't spell it), but my theory is a lot more overwhelming, it's called the theory of cheops, the pyramid of cheops in egypt was the largest pyramid when built, it lost about thirty feet so it aint no more. the pyramid is thought to have powers that can predict the future, a lot of people visited the pyramid including napolean (and he saw his future), the pyramid predicted the death of jesus before he was even boren, which brings me to think that could it have predicted his birth, therfore making the ancient egyptians create the misled thought of osiris.----------- Peace ----------

dblock:
I am currently reading a book entitled; was the original jesus a pagan god, the book is very insulting the christian community, but my side is not to disagree but to explain, to understand what i'll be saying you'll have to read the bokk or a review. The authors of the book say that the ancient godman osiris (of egypt) has a lot of similarities to jesus and so does the greek godman of Dyionusus (that's not how its spelt). so therfore they gathered upa conclusion that the modern day christian religion originated from paganism, and also concluded that jesus is a myth like the other godmen of the medditareanan (gee can't spell it), but my theory is a lot more overwhelming, it's called the theory of cheops, the pyramid of cheops in egypt was the largest pyramid when built, it lost about thirty feet so it aint no more. the pyramid is thought to have powers that can predict the future, a lot of people visited the pyramid including napolean (and he saw his future), the pyramid predicted the death of jesus before he was even boren, which brings me to think that could it have predicted his birth, therfore making the ancient egyptians create the misled thought of osiris.----------- Peace ----------

Biblical scholars like bart ehrman has proven this wrong