We can easily see that the Moon is not above the stars as the Quran says, the mountains are not pegs to hold the Earth from shaking, the sky is not a dome sustained by invisible pillars, the stars are not lamps to adorn this dome, the sun does not set in murky waters, the tale of the foetus as explained in the Quran is nonsense, the fractions given by Muhammad to divide the inheritance do not add up, Mary the mother of Jesus was not the sister of Aaron and Moses, and countless other statements of the Quran are false.

Muhammad talks about the Day of Judgement. In other words, all those who have died so far are nowhere until that day come. They are neither in paradise nor in hell. They are dust scattered on this Earth and some of that dust may be in you, waiting to be resurrected in the Day of Judgement, come back to life and receive their judgement. But again Muhammad forgot about this and in the Quran he said those who died in the way of Allah have already gone to paradise and are sending messages that they are content there. How this could be? What about the Day of Judgement? Do you see the inconsistency and the stupidity of this whole matter?

whom should a person owe more allegiance to, his maadr-e-watan (motherland) or the Ummah (Nation of Islam)?

hmm interesting question,
what do you think?

@Backslider
Do u think Quran is like ur bible full of error.
I need ur proof!

@Mukina2
have you read the Contradiction of the Al Quran?

@firdaus4them

If Muhammad was illiterate, how do we know his scribes wrote everything he said?


The Quran is the perfect word of Allah and cannot have errors. Written by Allah, its perfection has existed since time began.  

There is a passage in the Quran that describes the mother of Jesus of Nazareth as the sister of Aaron. It goes like this: “At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!’" (Sura 19:27-28).  

But Aaron, the brother of Moses, lived and died centuries before Mary, the mother of Jesus was born; and Aaron’s sister was Miriam, not Mary. In the Arabic language, the word for Mary and Miriam is the same word, (Maryam) perhaps the cause of this mistake. It is an error that an Arab of the 7th Century might make, to confuse Mary with Miriam, but not a mistake that the all-knowing Allah would make.  

The above error was discovered during Muhammad’s lifetime, and it was brought to his attention. He had an answer for it.    

His explanation went as follows: “The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.” (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitable Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326).  

There is no way that Muhammad could have known that this was the reason that Mary was called “sister of Aaron” in the Quran unless Allah told him. Mary is never addressed anywhere (and for any reason) as “the sister of Aaron” in any of the Jewish or Christian scriptures. So either Allah gave this explanation to Muhammad as the reason why Mary was addressed in the Quran as “the sister of Aaron,” or Muhammad lied.  

If we believe that Allah told this to Muhammad, then we have to wonder why, to avoid the appearance of an error in the Quran, Allah didn’t explain the use of the phrase “sister of Aaron” right in the Quran in the first place. For example, why didn’t the Quran say something like this: “At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought!’ And addressing her with a pious name of old, they said, ‘O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste’"? Surely Allah, being the greatest of all poets, could have found a beautiful, perfect way to explain this issue in the Quran.  

Allah has many attributes, but “stupid” is not one of them. Why did Allah allow His perfect book to be doubted and attacked for describing Mary as “the sister of Aaron” when Allah could have easily fixed the problem beforehand right in the Quran? Because Allah did not fix this passage, many believe that Muhammad was lying to cover a mistake that he, not Allah, had made. Note that Muhammad’s explanation nullifies all other possible explanations, such as the possibility that the brother of Mary mentioned in the Quran was a different “Aaron” from the brother of Moses.  

Also note that the Quran is a perfect book, but contains an imperfection that could have easily been corrected within the book itself, creating a contradiction of the most fundamental sort.  

Surely Allah knew that the phrase, “sister of Aaron” would be read as a mistake by many readers. He knew that the Arabic word for Miriam and Mary was the same word, pointing to an Arab (and who else but Muhammad?) as the likely source of this passage. For all these reasons, Allah had every incentive to correct this problem in the Quran so that it would not look like Muhammad’s mistake; but He didn’t correct it.  

Therefore, we conclude that Allah did not write the Quran.  

However it is very likely that this hadith was forged and falsely attributed to Muhammad. It is an attempt of the Muslims to whitewash Muhammad’s error.

Inheritance
Who Taught Allah Math?




One of the most obvious mathematical mistakes of the Quran can be found in the division of the inheritance.

The laws of inheritance are spread out in several Suras. One can find references to them in Al-Baqarah(2), Al-Maidah(5) and Al-Anfal(. But the details of these laws are spelled out in the Surah Nisa (4).

Q. 4:11
“Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts…”

Q. 4: 12
“In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts…”

Q. 4:176
“If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister but no child, she shall have half the inheritance: If (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, Her brother takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance (between them): if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female. Thus doth Allah make clear to you (His law), lest ye err. And Allah hath knowledge of all things.”

Despite the fact that it says “Allah made them clear”, these laws are far from clear.

Verse 4:11 says that if a man has only one daughter, she gets half of the inheritance irrespective of other heirs. But since the same verse says that the portion of the male is twice that of the female, her brother is supposed to get all the inheritance. Isn’t this a discrepancy? Certainly there is an error in how this law is written. Yet the problem is aggravated further when the share of other heirs like parents and wives are taken into consideration.

There are cases when the total of the shares assigned to the heirs exceeds the patrimony. Take for example the following.

According to the above verses, if a man dies leaving behind a wife, three daughters and his two parents,

His wife’s share of his inheritance is 1/8. (In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth)

His daughters would receive 2/3 (if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance

and his parents each will get 1/6 of his inheritance. (For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children

When you add all these fractions the sum is more than the total of inheritance.

Wife1/8 = 3/24
Daughters 2/3 = 16/24
Father 1/6 = 4/24
Mother1/6 = 4/24
Total = 27/24

Now take another example. Say a man is survived by his wife, his mother and his sisters.

The wife receives 1/4 of the inheritance, (In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child

the mother 1/3 (if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the heirs, the mother has a third

and the sisters 2/3. (If there are two sisters, they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance (between them)

When we add up these fractions they too are more than the total.

Wife1/4 = 3/12
Mother 1/3 = 4/12
Sisters 2/3 = 8/12
Total = 15/12

In the above examples, the shares apportioned to the heirs exceed the total of the inheritance. In both cases the total of the inheritance sums to exactly one BEFORE taking into account the wife's share.

What should be done if a man has two wives, one with children and the other without children? Does the one with children receive 1/8 and the one without children 1/4? And is this justice?

Now suppose a woman dies leaving a husband and a brother:

Husband receives half (In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child.)

Brother receives everything (If (such a deceased was) a woman, who left no child, Her brother takes her inheritance.)

Does this mean that the parents, sisters and husband do not get anything? In that case where is the justice and if they do how can the brother get everything?

Husband, (1/2) = 1/2
Brother (everything) = 2/2
Total = 3/2

This verse does not specify that the brother gets everything only when there are no other heirs. It just says when there are no children he gets everything. In the same verse it says that if a man dies leaving a sister, she gets half. What will happen to the other half?

Here is another example: A woman leaves behind a husband, a sister and a mother.

Husband, (1/2) = 3/6
Sister (1/2) = 3/6
Mother (1/3) = 2/6
Total = 8/6

We can conclude that the Quran in matters of inheritance is a very obtuse book. It is so obtuse that Shiites and Sunnis practice this law differently. For example:

If a man leaves a wife and the two parents, the Shiits will give the wife 1/4 and then distribute the remainder as 1/3 for the mother and 2/3 for the father, i.e. they will receive 1/4 and 1/2 of the original estate (see #2741). Sunnis give the wife 1/4, the mother 1/3 and the father as the nearest male relative the rest, i.e. 5/12. As one can witness, the Quran is anything but clear.

In order to solve these problems the Islamic doctors of law have devised a complex “science” called “Al-Fara’id”. It contains rules of "Awl" and "Usbah," and the laws of "Usool" of the Fara'id, the laws of "Hajb wa Hirman," and many other issues relating to this matter.

The laws of “Awl” (accommodation) deals with cases when the inheritor's shares exceed or "overshoot" the sum of the total inheritance. In such case the shares are adjusted to accommodate everyone. This is how it works:

Wife1/8 = 3/24 is changed to 3/27
Daughters 2/3 = 16/24 is changed to 16/27
Father 1/6 = 4/24 is changed to 4/27
Mother1/6 = 4/24 is changed to 4/27
Total = 27/24 27/27

and for the second case,

Wife1/4 = 3/12 is changed to 3/15
Mother 1/3 = 4/12 is changed to 4/15
Sisters 2/3 = 8/12 is changed to 8/15
Total = 15/12 15/15

Thus the problem is solved thanks to human ingenuity but the portions are not the same as indicated in the Quran. Each party has to waive part of his or her share in order to make this law work. This is a clear case in which the words of Allah needed human intervention in order to become applicable.

There are yet cases when the shares of the inheritors do not sum to a whole 100% and there is a surplus left.

Take for example a man who dies and leaves his wife and his parents.

Parents 1/3 = 4/12
Wife 1/4 = 3/12
Total = 7/12

Or in following cases::

scenario fund distributed surplus
Only a wife: = 1/4 3/4
Only a mother: = 1/3 2/3
Only a daughter = 1/2 1/2
Two daughters = 2/3 1/3
Only a Sister = 1/2 1/2
A mother and a sister = 1/3 + 1/2 = 5/6 1/6
A wife and a mother = 1/4 + 1/3 = 5/12 7/12
A sister and a wife = 1/2 + 1/4 = 3/4 1/4


In all these cases and many other combinations there is a surplus. What will happen to this surplus? Who will inherit it?

To deal with this problem the law of "Usbah" comes to effect. This law is to regulate the unclaimed shares, which have no corresponding people to receive them. Of course if the Quran was clear with no errors, there would have been no need for all these “sciences” and amendments.

The law of Usbah is based on the following Hadith.

Sahih Bukhari 8. 80. 724
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
The Prophet said, "Give the Fara'id (the shares of the inheritance that are prescribed in the Qur'an) to those who are entitled to receive it. Then whatever remains, should be given to the closest male relative of the deceased."

According to this law, a man who dies and is survived by only his daughter with no other close male relative except a second cousin, his daughter will receive half of his inheritance and the other half will go to the man’s second cousin. This seems quite unfair to the daughter, but it would be especially unfair if the man had a needy aunt or a female first cousin that would receive nothing because they are of the wrong gender.

Now suppose that a man has no other heir except his wife and a distant male relative. The wife will receive 1/4 and the distant male relative gets the balance, i.e. three times the inheritance that his widowed wife gets. Is this justice?

What if the deceased has no male relative at all? What will happen to the rest of his inheritance? What happens in the reverse case when a wife has no relatives? The husband will receive half of her inheritance; who will get the other half?

Note that in the Quran there is no priority for the distribution of the inheritance. In nowhere it says “first give to these and from what is left, give to those”. Even if we had to reinterpret these laws and prioritize them in the order that they are mentioned, it still does not work because in that case, each subsequent inheritor will have his or her share shrunk. Also in most cases the total inheritance will never be used up.

This is the fallacy in which Mr. Sami Zaatari engages. In an attempt to refute this article Mr. Zaatari wrote: "If A [ the deceased] left a widow or widower, the widow's or widower's share would first be calculated as in the first half of verse 4:1"

Mr. Zaatari must show us this instruction in the Quran. There is no provision in the Quran to pay certain inheritors first and divide the rest among other heirs. The fact remains that the Quran in matters of the division of the inheritance is wrong mathematically.

The obtuseness of these laws of inheritance is further emphasized in the following example. Consider the case of a man with only one daughter and 10 sons. According to the Quran, the daughter receives half while all the sons must share among themselves the other half. So each will receive not more than 1/20 of the inheritance. But this would contradict the other ruling that a male is to receive twice the share of the female.

Of course for 1400 years Muslims have practiced Islam and somehow they managed to make these confusing laws work. How they did it? They reinterpreted, adjusted and compromised to make sense of these nonsense laws. They put all the inheritance in a pool and give to each male child twice the share of their female siblings. This solution, though satisfies one of the ruling of the Quran about the inheritance, it contradicts the other.

Despite all these incongruencies and errors the real problem with these laws is not the fact that they do not add up. The difficulty is with the inherent injustice that they embody. A fair minded person cannot avoid but to question, why daughters should receive half of what the sons receive? Why sisters receive less than brothers? And why a widower is entitled to double the share than a widow? Why the Quran states “to the male, a portion equal to that of two females”? (4:11). Think of a man with four wives. All the wives have to share the ¼ of his wealth, if he has no children and 1/8 if he has. In the first case each wife will receive 1/16 of the inheritance and in the second case 1/32. How a woman who may not be young enough to remarry can survive with such meager share in a male dominated society as Islamic countries? On the other hand a man who loses all his four wives will inherit half to ¼ of every wife’s wealth. Isn’t this the formula to enrich the men and impoverish the women? It is easier to forget about the mathematical errors of the Quran than forgive its injustice.

The verse (4:175) claims that “Thus doth Allah make clear to you (His law), lest ye err. And Allah hath knowledge of all things.” As we saw, the above laws are anything but clear. They do not add up, the portions are not clearly defined, and the shares are distributed unfairly. It is up to Muslims to decide whether Allah, does not have the “knowledge of all things”, cannot add simple fractions, is confused and unfair or that the Quran is mistaken, and Muhammad was not a prophet of God. It is one or the other, but it can't be both.

@Backslider: About the case of the inheritance, you need a jurist in Islam to understand it. Are you are jurist. have you sat with any. If you need education in this, only if you know that it will benefit you, then there will be explanation of it.

Let me do you a favor; go to www. answering-christianity.com.
God willing, you will find your answer about the moon/star, the mountains,etc.

@Olabowale,

You have said yourself you said I should ask people Jurist about the Sharia. I look as you see me as someone with no brains! well I know for a fact that what I posted had Quranic backings and you should check the Quran you hold a duty to defend Your thought.

You know that you have no knowledge and you responded? and you then direct me To meet a JURIST? You are Blind on the matter and you direct me ? What makes you feel that you cant explain to me.

I have posted several Postings on ISLAM MUHAMED I am waiting for you Respond I know you have read Several of My postings.

You know in your heart that Islam is a BIG LIE and You STATEMENT you Say If Xtianity Does Paganism It is Ok for ISLAM to do it? Well You have only agreed that Islam is a religion of the worship of the Moon God.

You asked for Proof and I have given you Please disproove it here and I will convert to Islam Today ?


I said

" The obtuseness of these laws of inheritance is further emphasized in the following example. Consider the case of a man with only one daughter and 10 sons. According to the Quran, the daughter receives half while all the sons must share among themselves the other half. So each will receive not more than 1/20 of the inheritance. But this would contradict the other ruling that a male is to receive twice the share of the female."


and Please just spend time and read and get back to me

There is a passage in the Quran that describes the mother of Jesus of Nazareth as the sister of Aaron. It goes like this: “At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!’" (Sura 19:27-28).

But Aaron, the brother of Moses, lived and died centuries before Mary, the mother of Jesus was born; and Aaron’s sister was Miriam, not Mary. In the Arabic language, the word for Mary and Miriam is the same word, (Maryam) perhaps the cause of this mistake. It is an error that an Arab of the 7th Century might make, to confuse Mary with Miriam, but not a mistake that the all-knowing Allah would make.

The above error was discovered during Muhammad’s lifetime, and it was brought to his attention. He had an answer for it.

His explanation went as follows: “The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them.” (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitable Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326).

There is no way that Muhammad could have known that this was the reason that Mary was called “sister of Aaron” in the Quran unless Allah told him. Mary is never addressed anywhere (and for any reason) as “the sister of Aaron” in any of the Jewish or Christian scriptures. So either Allah gave this explanation to Muhammad as the reason why Mary was addressed in the Quran as “the sister of Aaron,” or Muhammad lied.

If we believe that Allah told this to Muhammad, then we have to wonder why, to avoid the appearance of an error in the Quran, Allah didn’t explain the use of the phrase “sister of Aaron” right in the Quran in the first place. For example, why didn’t the Quran say something like this: “At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: ‘O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought!’ And addressing her with a pious name of old, they said, ‘O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste’"? Surely Allah, being the greatest of all poets, could have found a beautiful, perfect way to explain this issue in the Quran.

Allah has many attributes, but “stupid” is not one of them. Why did Allah allow His perfect book to be doubted and attacked for describing Mary as “the sister of Aaron” when Allah could have easily fixed the problem beforehand right in the Quran? Because Allah did not fix this passage, many believe that Muhammad was lying to cover a mistake that he, not Allah, had made. Note that Muhammad’s explanation nullifies all other possible explanations, such as the possibility that the brother of Mary mentioned in the Quran was a different “Aaron” from the brother of Moses.

Also note that the Quran is a perfect book, but contains an imperfection that could have easily been corrected within the book itself, creating a contradiction of the most fundamental sort.

Surely Allah knew that the phrase, “sister of Aaron” would be read as a mistake by many readers. He knew that the Arabic word for Miriam and Mary was the same word, pointing to an Arab (and who else but Muhammad?) as the likely source of this passage. For all these reasons, Allah had every incentive to correct this problem in the Quran so that it would not look like Muhammad’s mistake; but He didn’t correct it.

As usual rather than our muslim (idol worshipping) "brothers" to respond to the various inconsistencies in their fraudulent admixture of lies and plagiarism called the quran, they expose their ignorance of a book they claim to be 'holy' by trying to deflect the obvious truth by refering us to answering christianity.com

The way to defend Islam is not to attempt to paint Christianity black too! It is naive and ignorant to try to deflect the fraud in Islam by pointing to percieved inconsistencies that dont exist in the bible

The mathematical thingy confused me too,any wonder Mo was confused too,sorry I meant allah.

Muhammad states that all men are equal unless if you are a non-muslim, so if Goerge bush announced today that he was muslim then bin landen and him would be best bros right , don't get islam is the anger towards non-muslims ( like Muhammad said it should be) or is it towards the west because they are richer. I don't get it but i do know that arabs shpuld stop burning flags.

He meant to say all muslim men were equal except of course if you were shiite then you are a little above the Muslim women then the infidels follow.

thanks now i get it.

@Backslider: I was going to apply human relationship degree of importance coupled with my meadocre knowledge of math, then I read through your post again. Here is my conclusion; If Allah said it, which is clear from the Qur'an, then if His Messenger (AS) acted upon it accordingly, as a believer, I have no opinion on the matter. All i am demanded to do is hear, obey and ask for forgiveness whereever I may err.

You did not take into account that in the past over 14 centuaries that the Qur'an had been revealed, there has been countless of actuarists, accountants, mathematicians, engineers through the ages of Islam. From the Muslims, you have some of the bases and foundations of today's math; Algebra, Geometry and simply arithmetics. The Arabic numeral is still in use in almost all matters of numbering. The concept of Zero was from the Arabs under Islam.

Backslider, how do you reconcile that a Johnnie come lately like youself, is better in calculations, than the countless multitude of Muslims in all the several generations starting from the time of Muhammad (AS)? The answer is simple. You are not. Infact, if you read the verses very clearly, God the Almighty stated, it is a sign of obedience to Him. To see in whose hearts there are transgressions of the rights of relationships/relatives.

From your observations of the verses, you see that everyone who is considered as primary relation/relative is conpensated in the distribution of assets. This is after debts and legacies are already settled. Further, from your own observations of the hadith, even extended family members are considered.

In the final analysis, every member of the family in most cases got some benefit. This is also a source of fostering the continuom of blood and marital relationships. From islam, we see that regardless of the wealth of the woman folks, the men folks are to care for them, emotionally, socially and fiancially. It is a well established knowledge that Muhammad (AS), had to take care of his household, financially, from the salaries that he got from Khadijah (RA), who was his wife and wealthier than him! In the inheritance distributions, men are supposed to continue to support their women folks, regardless of her original wealth, the portion that she received from the inheritance of her parent (s) and/or her spouse.

Here in the west, you see that the spouse has the foremost right regarding the burial and the estate as well. This is incase that there is no Will. Next to the spouse is the children and then the parents and then the siblings.
In Islam, you see where children are in foremost considerations. The parents are considered and then the spouse and lastly, the sibling.

In normal situations, you have the children having a financial responsibility for their parents, then their grand parents and their uncles and aunts. So when the inheritance is distributed, you have the financial responsibility does not change for the children of the deceased regarding their surviving parent, grandparent,aunts and uncles and even their own siblings. Expecially the siblings who are females and the ones who are less fortunate financially.

In Islam, having a Will is commanded so that there is no need to go through probate upon the death of the one whose assets are to be distributed.

My Question to you now is this; how is inheritance explained in the Big Bible? If you do not have it, please do not make such a fose. In the Qur'an, you will not find where a married person who commits Zina is to be stoned to death. What you will find in the Qur'an is to flg the person who is not married and then commits Zina. Yet, we see that the person who is married and still commit Zina has a greater sin, in the sense that there is no justification for the erring. Afterall, there is partner who the sexual energy can be shared with.

It is in this same manner that I will not have any opinion, if Muhammad (AS) said it, I accept it. Totally without any reservation. Do you know that there are a large number of Muslim lawyers as well in the west as well as the muslim societies? Think about it. Then reflect before you write any of your entries on any number of specialised Islamic subjects. Do you know, or it is God Almighty Who knows?

@Backslider: Its it true that The children of israel and the Arabs are considered as brethrens. Why? Is n't it because of their lineage which separates from Ismaila, the older brother of Isiaq the younger brother, both children of Ibrahiim.

Is it true that the African tribes of today, for the most part consider themselves are relatives simply because, they came from the same source. If you look further you will see that every human came from Adam and eve, therefore we are brothers and sisters of each other and one another.

The brother of Aaron case was because she came from the lineage of Aaron. Did you read about the Jew who married Muhammad (AS)? She was referred to as daughter of Aaron and niece of Musa. (AS)

@Backslider: When a person dies in the path of struggle for the pleasure of Allah, the person is believed to not have died, in the sense that the soul is transported and preserved into the body of a bird in paradise. This bird feeds, therefore nourishing the soul, flying from place to place in the paradise. Since the soul is the conscious part of the "body and soul" combination, you can see that the soul begins to enjoy the pleasure of paradise. Yet the body is buried and waits in the grave for the day of judgement where the body will be connected back to the soul and both will go to paradise to continue the enjoyment.

This is different, very different from the body and soul that is dishonored because it is the dead of the UNbeliver. The soul is ripped violently from the body when death is taking place. the body and soul continue to suffer, two times every day, it is punished at the time of morning prayer and the late afternoon prayer. This punishment in the grave continues until the day of judgement. This day of judgement, the disbelieving person, in body and soul combination takes its place in Hell for the evrlasting punishment. Where do you want to find yourself; Paradise or Hell?

May God help all of us.

Mr Backslider,
What is your point? What is the aim of this thread you started - Controversy? Enlightenment?
information? Conversion? What do you intend to gain from the same?
I don't understand where you are going but this thread sure cannot edify.
In one of your earlier threads you claim to have backslided from Deeper Life Bible Church and I
trust you still have the greatest respects for Pastor W F Kumuyi - is this how Kumuyi  would go
about preaching the gospel? The Biblical example of preaching the Gospel ( which can be found in Acts)
clearly is not this way. Just you lift Jesus higher and let Him do the drawing of men to himself.

Taunts, etc lead no where but do a great disservice to the Gospel of light.

Be cool

@feelgood

You can attack my personality or personal experience it does not rule out the false hood of Islam and the evil it sends to the world, please read very Carefully my thread The Conversion to Islam by Christians In Egypt. If you dont cry I will know you have no heart at all. I dare you! you will cry.

@ Olabowale

I am preparing a response for you but please I beg you Defend Muhamed Having sex with a 9 Year Old Justify this for me, Can you have sex with a 9 year Old? Yes or No and Why.

Everyone Islam is the devil's religion, how can you be saved when living under laws, not God's law but man's ordinances and laws all full of errors, Islam can never assure you salvation, its just a religion invented by man just to connect the broken link that adam caused.Islam or Muhammahd cant take you moslems to God, only Jesus Christ can, Those who dont know Jesus,even so-called christians who pay lip service and think christianity is all about religion will be destroyed when Christ will come, and its very soon.

@Backslider: I did not have to go far to see that you did not consider taht when you distribute a property, you can not distribute more that 100%, but you can distribute less than 100%. So as to your example of 10 males and 1 female children, it simply states that the males takes 2 times that of the female. So the portion of each male will be double of their sister. In this case they will share from the total portion of the inheritance that is meant for children which numbered more than one , but in the combination of male and female.

You seem to forget that Muhammad (AS) used to recite the Qur'an to Jibril (AS), every month of Ramadan. So the first Ramadan of Muhammad's Islam (AS), what ever was revealed was recited to Jibril, and Jibril recited to Muhammad (AS). This took place every Ramadan until the death of Muhammad (AS). The rule was that they will recite it to each other, one time each, until the last Ramadan which was different.

This ramadan, Muhammad (AS) said that he and Jibril recited it twice to each other. The total recitation in this case was 4 times. One will see the important of the continuous oral recitation.If Muhammad were to have made any mistake in this Qur'an, the last year of the usual ramadan recitation , which was double the normal recitation, Jibril would have corrected the verse in Question about mariam the mother of jesus (AS). You

You must agree with me that Allah the Almighty does not have to satisfy you individually or persons who has the same heart like you. Obviously, this is a reason that you have not accepted Islam. This may be your test. Truly, it is God Who knows your heart. You fail to consider the truthfulness of muhammad (AS) in the Surah known as Abasa> Just because he frowned, the Lord of the world brought down a revelation on him. He did not have to hide it. His Lord spoke very highly of him, in the Qur'an and to the Angels. In many surah Allah the Almighty spoke about the elevation of the stature of Muhammad to a lofty station. God spoke about his truthfulness. Before a became a prophet he was known amongst his people as the truthful, the trusted. While they wage way against him, they never stop entrusting him with their assets.

God further stated that He is the One Who will safeguard the Qur'an. This statement was made at some point while the revelation was still coming down and it will continue until the end of time.

Again, it is the month of ramadan, I wish you well. I hope whatever is stopping your heart from accepting Islam, may the Lord of that heart purify it for you and allow belief in truth to enter it.

@Backslide: Go on www.answering -christianity.com. You will find aboundant explanation about the subject matter of Aisha (RA) been underage or not.

From personal experience, if I am from a society that has a sort life expectancy, like 30-40 or thereabout, it will be normal practise to start a family at rather young age. Were you to have lived over 1400 years ago, then you will have the truth about the matter.

Abu bakr was not a poor person who would have allowed his daughter to be molested. Further, I have read many materials which gave the age of Aisha (RA) to be much older than 9. She was engaged and the engagement was broken before Muhammad (AS) came to the picture. What you need to do is to read the materials on this subject which are abounding from the site i provided to you.

Do me a favor, read it.

@Olabowale

Muslims believe that when a person dies two angels called Nakeer and Munkar visit him in his grave. They question him about his Faith, if he is found a believer his tomb is widened 70 cubits square (each cubit is one foot six inches) and it is illumined. Then he is told to go to sleep like a bridegroom until the day of resurrection when Allah raises him up to reward him. But if he is found a "hypocrite" they order the tomb to squeeze him until his ribs are crushed.

Quran says that at the Day of Judgment, the heaven is split asunder (Q.84:1) and it will heave with (awful) heaving (Q.52:9), the sun is overthrown (Q.81:1), the Earth is shaken with her (final) earthquake (Q. 99:1),  the moon is eclipsed (Q.75: and “the angel Israfil will sound the trumpet and all living creatures, mankind, angels and jinn then living, will die. Another blast and all will be raised to life. Allah's throne will appear in the clouds, carried by 8 angels. Believers will receive a book of their deeds in their right hand, and unbelievers in their left hand. The books will be opened and men's works weighed on scales (mizan). In fear, men will look for someone to plead with Allah. They will go to Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus, but find no help. At last they will turn to Muhammad”  

“Muslims also believe that there is a bridge across Hell, named Sirat, which is sharper than the edge of sword and thinner than a hair. Faithful Muslims believe that they will cross over it in the "twinkling of an eye" and enter Paradise. Other Muslims may fall into Hell, but will later be released. Unbelievers will fall into Hell and remain forever.”  

No one knows the exact time for the Day of Judgment but it is going to be a Friday 10th of Muharram. At that time Allah will resurrect all the dead. He will collect their dispersed dusts and call them to visit him. And people will see Allah as clear as seeing the sun in a not cloudy day. Then he will judge them based on their beliefs. Those who did not associate any other God with Allah, irrespective of what crimes they have committed will go to Paradise. There are verses in Quran that speak of good deeds like this one,  

[Al-Imran 3:30] On the Day when every soul will find itself confronted with all that it hath done of good and all that it hath done of evil (every soul) will long that there might be a mighty space of distance between it and that (evil).

But actually the evil for Muhammad did not mean what we usually think of it. By evil he meant disbelief. This is clear from the following verse.  

[Ibrahim 14:44] And warn mankind of a day when the doom will come upon them, and those who did wrong will say: Our Lord! Reprieve us for a little while. We will obey Thy call and will follow the messengers. (It will be answered): Did ye not swear before that there would be no end for you?  

For Allah nothing is more abhorrent than disbelief and once you believe all your sins are forgiven and your place in paradise is guaranteed. In a Hadith noted by Bukhari the importance of belief over good deeds is emphasized.  

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 445:
Narrated Abu Dhar:
The Prophet said, "Gabriel said to me, 'Whoever amongst your followers die without having worshipped others besides Allah, will enter Paradise (or will not enter the (Hell) Fire)." The Prophet asked. "Even if he has committed illegal sexual intercourse or theft?" He replied, "Even then."

But for disbelievers there is no salvation.

[al-Ma'idah 5:36] As for those who disbelieve, lo! if all that is in the earth were theirs, and as much again therewith, to ransom them from the doom on the Day of Resurrection, it would not be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful doom.

[al-Kahf 18:106] That is their reward: hell, because they disbelieved, and made a jest of Our revelations and Our messengers.

[Ta Ha 20:100] Whoso turneth away from it, he verily will bear a burden on the Day of Resurrection,

What about those who have loved others? We humans put a great emphasis on loving and helping each other and on charitable works, but for Allah all that is irrelevant.  

[al-`Ankabut 29:25] The love between you is only in the life of the world. Then on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers.  

Those who did not accept Allah will easily be recognized because they will have their faces “blackened”.  

[az-Zumar 39:60] And on the Day of Resurrection thou (Muhammad) seest those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorners in hell?  

If another person said the above politically incorrect statement, it would have offended the blacks, but strange as it is the blacks are the ones who are flocking towards Islam, as if they are completely unaware of the prophet’s low opinion of their race.  

This stereotyping is reaffirms in another place.  

[Al-Imran 3:106] On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved.  

Of course the absurdity of this belief is self-evident and needs no clarification. However Muslims are unable to ask themselves simple questions like what is the use of a wide and illumined grave to a deceased? Has anyone seen a widened and illumined grave?

Islamic Paradise is a physical place. That is why Allah has to collect all the dust of the dead people to punish or reward them. That makes even less sense when we know that we constantly renew the elements that compose our body,

It seems that the prophet had no idea of the spiritual reality of man that is independent from the material world. Allah's rewards are hoories, wine, honey, gardens, mansions, cloths with gold embroidery and other material objects. These are all material rewards. What is the use of all these for human spirit? His punishment is also physical: fire. Heaven, in Islam, is the place where believers will be reclining under the shade of the trees, eating and drinking exquisite wines, and engaging in sex with virgins.

[Surah 55:54-46]"They will recline on carpets whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the fruit of the gardens will be near. In them will be (Maidens), Chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched (virgins)."


Good deeds have no merits; Belief in Allah and his messenger is the only requisite to inherit this materialistic paradise. Even Christians will not be spared.  

In one place one is lead to believe that the people of the scriptures, i.e. the Jews and the Christians are saved,  

[al-Hajj 22:17] Lo! those who believe (this revelation), and those who are Jews, and the Sabaeans and the Christians and the Magians and the idolaters - Lo! Allah will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. Lo! Allah is Witness over all things.  

Then again, this is contradicted by another verse.  

[al-Ma'idah 5:14] And with those who say: "Lo! we are Christians," We made a covenant, but they forgot a part of that whereof they were admonished. Therefore We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will inform them of their handiwork.  

The same is said of the Jews (Q.10:93).  So don't be surprised to see Mother Theresa burning in the Hell while Khomeni and Saddam Hussein who believed in Allah and his messenger sitting under the shade of a tree with a pretty hoory at their right side and another at their left, sipping from the chilled wine in Paradise.

The concept of the life after death in Islam is very much similar to the Jehowa's Witnesses' concept of the other world. Jehowa Witnesses believe that after the death, the deceased has no consciousness until the last day when he is risen from death and if found a believer would inherit the Earth and would live in a terrestrial Paradise forever. This is how Quran and Hadith explain the life after death. However, this subject is foggy for most of the Muslims. They have their personal ideas about it that often contradict the above what Quran and the hadithes teach about the life after death.

Dear Olabowale,

You are being unfair to Moslems please Quote The Al Quran and Hadith That says She was never 9 years old.
Please Olabowale I will want you to read through and Get a Hadith and Quran In your Hands to read Through to cross check.

I spend Hours because of the Love I have for you and others please do read and refute me on all of the Quotaions.

The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.

Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.

But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like.
Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "

Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom.

In the following Hadith he confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before soliciting her from her father.

Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' "

Whether Muhammad had actually such dream or he just said it to please Ayesha is not the point. What matters here is that it indicates that Ayesaha was a baby being “carried” by an angel when the Prophet dreamed of her.

There are numerous hadithes that explicitly reveal the age of Ayesha at the time of her marriage. Here are some of them.

Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari 5.234
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

And in another Hadith we read.[b][/b]

[b]Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.

In the above hadith we read that Ayesha was swinging, This is a play of little girls not grown up people. The following Hadith is particularly interesting because it shows that Ayesha was so small that was not aware what was going on when the Holy Prophet “surprised” her by going to her.[/b]Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.


Must have been quite a surprise! But the following is also interesting because it demonstrates that she was just a kid playing with her dolls. Pay attention to what the interpreter wrote in the parenthesis. (She was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty)


The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.

Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.

Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.

But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like.
Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "

Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom.

In the following Hadith he confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her before soliciting her from her father.

Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' "

Whether Muhammad had actually such dream or he just said it to please Ayesha is not the point. What matters here is that it indicates that Ayesaha was a baby being “carried” by an angel when the Prophet dreamed of her.

There are numerous hadithes that explicitly reveal the age of Ayesha at the time of her marriage. Here are some of them.

Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari 5.234
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

And in another Hadith we read.

Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4916 and Number 4917
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.

In the above hadith we read that Ayesha was swinging, This is a play of little girls not grown up people. The following Hadith is particularly interesting because it shows that Ayesha was so small that was not aware what was going on when the Holy Prophet “surprised” her by going to her.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.


Must have been quite a surprise! But the following is also interesting because it demonstrates that she was just a kid playing with her dolls. Pay attention to what the interpreter wrote in the parenthesis. (She was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty)


Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)


Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

The holy Prophet died when he was 63. So he must have married Ayesha when he as 51 and went to her when he was 54.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33
Narrated 'Aisha:
I never felt so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had died three years before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard him mentioning her too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give her the glad tidings that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab and because he used to slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her friends.


Khadija died in December of 619 AD. That is two years before Hijra. At that time the Prophet was 51-years-old. So in the same year that Khadija died the prophet married Ayesha and took her to his home 3 years later, i.e. one year after Hijra. But until she grow up he married Umm Salama.

In another part Ayesha claims that as long as she remembers her parents were always Muslims.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 245

Narrated 'Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) I never remembered my parents believing in any religion other than the true religion (i.e. Islam),



If Ayesha was older i.e. 16 or 18 as some Muslims claim, she would have remembered the religion of her parents prior to becoming Muslims.

Now someone may still claim that all these hadithes are lies. People are free to say whatever they want. But truth is clear like the Sun for those who have eyes.

No sane person would be aroused by a 9-year-old child. Decent people wince at the thought of this shameful act. Yet some Muslims deny them. The question is why so many followers of Muhammad would fabricate so many false hadithes about the age of Ayisha, which incidentally confirm each other?

I can tell you why people would attribute false miracles to their prophet. Babis believe that Bab started to praise God as soon as he was born. There is a Hadith like that also about Muhammad. Christians believe the birth of the Christ was miraculous and the Jews believe Moses opened a dry passageway through the Red Sea. Believers love to hear these stories. It confirms their faith. There are many absurd miracles attributed to Muhammad in the hadiths, despite the fact that he denied being able to perform any miracles. But why should anyone fabricate a lie about the age of Ayisha that would portray his Prophet as a pedophile?

Controversies About the Age of Ayesha.
Moral Evaluations of the Marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha



When we say Muhammad had sex with 9 year old child, Muslims brush it away and bring all sorts of excuses to justify this shameful act. This is the nature of blind faith and cognitive dissonance. Maybe by visualizing it, some of them will would come to their senses and realize how evil this fiend they call prophet, was. There is not a single proof that this man was a prophet while there are tons of evidences that he was an evil man.



Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

The holy Prophet died when he was 63. So he must have married Ayesha when he as 51 and went to her when he was 54.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33
Narrated 'Aisha:
I never felt so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had died three years before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard him mentioning her too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give her the glad tidings that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab and because he used to slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her friends.


Khadija died in December of 619 AD. That is two years before Hijra. At that time the Prophet was 51-years-old. So in the same year that Khadija died the prophet married Ayesha and took her to his home 3 years later, i.e. one year after Hijra. But until she grow up he married Umm Salama.

In another part Ayesha claims that as long as she remembers her parents were always Muslims.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 245

Narrated 'Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) I never remembered my parents believing in any religion other than the true religion (i.e. Islam),



If Ayesha was older i.e. 16 or 18 as some Muslims claim, she would have remembered the religion of her parents prior to becoming Muslims.

Now someone may still claim that all these hadithes are lies. People are free to say whatever they want. But truth is clear like the Sun for those who have eyes.

No sane person would be aroused by a 9-year-old child. Decent people wince at the thought of this shameful act. Yet some Muslims deny them. The question is why so many followers of Muhammad would fabricate so many false hadithes about the age of Ayisha, which incidentally confirm each other?

I can tell you why people would attribute false miracles to their prophet. Babis believe that Bab started to praise God as soon as he was born. There is a Hadith like that also about Muhammad. Christians believe the birth of the Christ was miraculous and the Jews believe Moses opened a dry passageway through the Red Sea. Believers love to hear these stories. It confirms their faith. There are many absurd miracles attributed to Muhammad in the hadiths, despite the fact that he denied being able to perform any miracles. But why should anyone fabricate a lie about the age of Ayisha that would portray his Prophet as a pedophile?
Controversies About the Age of Ayesha.
Moral Evaluations of the Marriage of the Prophet with Ayesha



When we say Muhammad had sex with 9 year old child, Muslims brush it away and bring all sorts of excuses to justify this shameful act. This is the nature of blind faith and cognitive dissonance. Maybe by visualizing it, some of them will would come to their senses and realize how evil this fiend they call prophet, was. There is not a single proof that this man was a prophet while there are tons of evidences that he was an evil man.

Muhammad is a fraud, a mortal man like dreadful sinners, a part in the lake of fire is reserved for him and all who practice mysticism in the guise of religion.Amen

@Backslider; So you have difficulty with the islamic concept of Paradise and hellfire. Well, isn't that the earth is physical? I now want to know what your concept of paradise and hellfire are.

Anyone who disbelief, committing the greatest sin of Association of anything with God or saying that God does not exist, in my book, qualifies for Hellfire.

You remind of my Reverend friend. he often said that when oe dies and one is mixed with the dirt, that is it. I have asked him why is he preaching then. But he had never given me an answer but say that paradise and hellfire is while you are still alive.

Backslider, I want you to tell us in very clear and direct language where is Hell and where is paradise.

About the relationship of Abu bakr and Muhammad, on one hand and the marriage to Aisha are discussed on the site which i provided to you. Your calling him a child molester is unjustifiable.

The relationship that is forged as adopted brothers and/or father and son are all artificial. God wished to destroy it through the hand of muhammad, it was done.

What better person that God may used, except His beloved messenger. It is the same Muhammad who forged brotherhood, sisterhood between Ansar (RA) and the Muhajirin(RA). God upon that stopped the practise of one inheriting the others properties upon death.

God confirmed in the Qur'an that the blood relationship is stronger than the artificially formented relationship.

In many instances we have seen people in the west marrying siblings, and other relations that Islam forbid.

When you go to the site which I had recommended, you will be satisfied if it is truly that your heart is yearning for knowledge and guidance. You can post all your cahllenges to him. Infact I am satisfied with the true age of Aisha (RA) and her marriage to Muhammad (AS).

Through her a lot of hadith came to be known. Of course, we have seen a lot of hadith that are fabricated.
Again, the site is www.abswering-christianity.com.

@Adebanjo: May Allah reward you for providing this website. I am sure the christians will find it very interesting.

@ olabowale

You have not quoted any other Hadith that say contrary or is that you dont beleive in any hadith? please quote the one you know.

I beleive in the existence of hell and you see you are quoting a Rev minister is it that you dont know anything about your quran? Please read your quran.

Are you telling me that The Hadith I posted was FABRICATED? Sahih Bukhari, Sunan Abu-Dawud and Sahih Muslim are Fabricated?

I have often said that my primary reason for believing Islam is a religion based on fraud of monumental proportions is the general reluctance of muslims to "defend" their faith from the quran. Make any argument about the quran and they are oh so quick to point you to bible verses, answering christianity websites, everything but trying to disprove those allegations from a book they claim is from 'god'.

Everyone claims Islam is a religion of peace, yet no one has quoted where that is explicitly stated in the quran, rather we are being regalled with tales of the christian crusades!

@olabowale again oh


You said Islam Came to stop brotherhood

See and Compare


Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.  

yet Olabowale look o    Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.

But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a woman he did not like.  

see the selectiveness in this matter Mr Olabowale

Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "


You said they came to abolish false Brotherhood abi  

Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics and custom

@ backslider we have settled aisha's sad case many postings ago.
Olabowole cannot give you any befitting answers.
Mohammed was wrong in marrying and having intercourse with a child of 6 when he was 50+

As a woman it makes me angry especially knowing that many Muslim still do it today.
And there seems to be no outrage
They'll only come out in arms when you mention Mohammeds atrocities

@Feelgood; Hamzah(RA) was Muhammad's (AS) foster brother because they suckled the breast of the same woman. It was for this reason that hamzah's daughter was the foster Niece. Abu bakr (RA) and Muhammad (AS) did not have the same suckling relationship.

@Seun; I emailed you an article about the age of Aisha when she died. please can you post it here for me. I want backslider and co. to have a chance to read it. I tried to make them go to the site for the article, but the refused. This is why i resulted to this method. I appreciate your effort in this.