Scholar8200:
Matthew picks up Joseph's descent from Solomon, son of David; Luke (writing to an elite who may be curious) picks up Mary's descent from Nathan,son of David and mentions Joseph being a legal son of Mary's father by virtue of marriage, according to genealogical practices. (You hardly find names of Jewish women in genealogies except for women who initially were not Jews).

johnydon22:
I have never read a genealogy were Jacob is referred to as the Son of Laban (his wife's father) and his ancestry traced from there.

Instead of son of Isaac. . . . This is merely your assumptions because there is no way that verse in luke mentioned Heli as Mary's father, you are just assuming bros...its was clear Joseph the son of Heli

Scholar8200:
Can you produce Rebecca's genealogy (Just as we have Mary's)? That is the acid-test! Why will the genealogy of Jacob be traced from Isaac and Laban will be mentioned?! There is no need since the tribe being mentioned is the father's!

Scholar8200:
Can you produce Rebecca's genealogy (Just as we have Mary's)? That is the acid-test! Why will the genealogy of Jacob be traced from Isaac and Laban will be mentioned?! There is no need since the tribe being mentioned is the father's!

sportsmaster:

Never argue with these Guys,i told you several times

johnydon22:
We don't have Mary's genealogy too, the only place Mary's parents are mentioned are in the Oral traditions of the church that makes her parents Annah and Joachim.

The Luke genealogy was not in anyway referring to Mary's genealogy, you are only assuming of which someone can also assume the matthew version is about Mary too....

following your analogy one can as well assume that Jacob as mentioned in Matthew was Mary's father and is used in Joseph's genealogy because he is Joseph's father in-law..

It doesn't work that way. . . it is either you show where the verses mentioned to be listing Mary's linage or you agree you only assuming it to be because the verses still remains clear.. "Heli father of joseph" "Jacob father of joseph" [/b]

Scholar8200:
[/b] Matthew: Jacob begat Joseph (biological links clearly established hence he cannot be Mary's father) ; Luke: Joseph was the son of Heli (could be legal or biological)

Luke: Joseph was the son of Heli (could be legal or biological). But since his father (Jacob) who begot him was from Solomon son of David; and Heli was from Nathan son of David, then his links to Heli cannot also be biological.
Note that Luke was not an unlearned fisherman neither was his addressee, Theophilus, a fisherman but they were what you will call elites today hence the practices of those days which were not hidden was not a strange thing to be included.

And this just buttresses my point, your speculations are just based on your assumptions of what you feel should be in order to reconcile it, no more need me saying on this...

Scholar8200:
I am not arguing. Remember Acts 15:1,2, Jude 3 shows the need to earnestly contend for the faith especially when the need arises lest the simple come, read and feel our silence means we are actually advocates of "close your eyes and open your mouth" faith; thus their faith gets overthrown (2 Timothy 2:18)

joe4christ:
I've often wonder long ago as a believer and still wonder till date why the church/christian would rather keep mute on this glaring contradiction.
This particular contradiction is in reference to the genealogy of christ as recorded in Mathew 1:1-16
And Luke 3:23-38 by two individual who we were taught to believe they were inspired to write the scripture by the holy spirit.
But I cannot fathom why two testimonies can thus be conflicting despite being inspired by thesame spirit.
Or could I be reeking of ignorance? Then maybe those knowledgeable about scriptural truth could help me better understand.
Meanwhile the contraction started from King David the ancestor of Jesus, and it makes me wonder if it is thesame Jesus' genealogy that is being written by the "spirit inspired" two independent separate writers of the books that makes up the "Holy Book".

Below are lists of the genealogy as recorded in the two books:

According to Matthew 1:1-16;
[b]1 This is a record of the ancestors of Jesus the
Messiah, a descendant of David a and of Abraham:
2 Abraham was the father of Isaac.
Isaac was the father of Jacob.
Jacob was the father of Judah and his brothers.
3 Judah was the father of Perez and Zerah (whose
mother was Tamar).
Perez was the father of Hezron.
Hezron was the father of Ram. b
4 Ram was the father of Amminadab.
Amminadab was the father of Nahshon.
Nahshon was the father of Salmon.
5 Salmon was the father of Boaz (whose mother
was Rahab).
Boaz was the father of Obed (whose mother was
Ruth).
Obed was the father of Jesse.
6 Jesse was the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon (whose mother
was Bathsheba, the widow of Uriah).
7 Solomon was the father of Rehoboam.
Rehoboam was the father of Abijah.
Abijah was the father of Asa. c
8 Asa was the father of Jehoshaphat.
Jehoshaphat was the father of Jehoram. d
Jehoram was the father e of Uzziah.
9 Uzziah was the father of Jotham.
Jotham was the father of Ahaz.
Ahaz was the father of Hezekiah.
10 Hezekiah was the father of Manasseh.
Manasseh was the father of Amon. f
Amon was the father of Josiah.
11 Josiah was the father of Jehoiachin g and his
brothers (born at the time of the exile to Babylon).
12 After the Babylonian exile:
Jehoiachin was the father of Shealtiel.
Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel.
13 Zerubbabel was the father of Abiud.
Abiud was the father of Eliakim.
Eliakim was the father of Azor.
14 Azor was the father of Zadok.
Zadok was the father of Akim.
Akim was the father of Eliud.
15 Eliud was the father of Eleazar.
Eleazar was the father of Matthan.
Matthan was the father of Jacob.
16 Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of
Mary.
Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is called the
Messiah.[/b]

While Luke 3:23-38
[b]23 Jesus was about thirty years old when he
began his public ministry.
Jesus was known as the son of Joseph.
Joseph was the son of Heli.
24 Heli was the son of Matthat.
Matthat was the son of Levi.
Levi was the son of Melki.
Melki was the son of Jannai.
Jannai was the son of Joseph.
25 Joseph was the son of Mattathias.
Mattathias was the son of Amos.
Amos was the son of Nahum.
Nahum was the son of Esli.
Esli was the son of Naggai.
26 Naggai was the son of Maath.
Maath was the son of Mattathias.
Mattathias was the son of Semein.
Semein was the son of Josech.
Josech was the son of Joda.
27 Joda was the son of Joanan.
Joanan was the son of Rhesa.
Rhesa was the son of Zerubbabel.
Zerubbabel was the son of Shealtiel.
Shealtiel was the son of Neri.
28 Neri was the son of Melki.
Melki was the son of Addi.
Addi was the son of Cosam.
Cosam was the son of Elmadam.
Elmadam was the son of Er.
29 Er was the son of Joshua.
Joshua was the son of Eliezer.
Eliezer was the son of Jorim.
Jorim was the son of Matthat.
Matthat was the son of Levi.
30 Levi was the son of Simeon.
Simeon was the son of Judah.
Judah was the son of Joseph.
Joseph was the son of Jonam.
Jonam was the son of Eliakim.
31 Eliakim was the son of Melea.
Melea was the son of Menna.
Menna was the son of Mattatha.
Mattatha was the son of Nathan.
Nathan was the son of David.
32 David was the son of Jesse.
Jesse was the son of Obed.
Obed was the son of Boaz.
Boaz was the son of Salmon. h
Salmon was the son of Nahshon.
33 Nahshon was the son of Amminadab.
Amminadab was the son of Admin.
Admin was the son of Arni. i
Arni was the son of Hezron.
Hezron was the son of Perez.
Perez was the son of Judah.
34 Judah was the son of Jacob.
Jacob was the son of Isaac.
Isaac was the son of Abraham.
Abraham was the son of Terah.
Terah was the son of Nahor.
35 Nahor was the son of Serug.
Serug was the son of Reu.
Reu was the son of Peleg.
Peleg was the son of Eber.
Eber was the son of Shelah.
36 Shelah was the son of Cainan.
Cainan was the son of Arphaxad.
Arphaxad was the son of Shem.
Shem was the son of Noah.
Noah was the son of Lamech.
37 Lamech was the son of Methuselah.
Methuselah was the son of Enoch.
Enoch was the son of Jared.
Jared was the son of Mahalalel.
Mahalalel was the son of Kenan.
38 Kenan was the son of Enosh. j
Enosh was the son of Seth.
Seth was the son of Adam.
Adam was the son of God.[/b]

So, maybe someone can show me how these two scriptures aint contradictory with reasonable explanation.

Thanks!

sportsmaster:

its like an INFINITE LOOP in C++.
No matter how many times you prove the Wrong,they will come up with several babblings and stuffs like that.
It is a never ending arguement.

johnydon22:
And this just buttresses my point, your speculations are just based on your assumptions of what you feel should be in order to reconcile it, no more need me saying on this...

chiedu7:
Funny has anybody noticed that nobody bothered to keep the genealogy of Mohammed?

For them to keep Jesus's human lineage shows that many many prophets recognise Jesus as important.

joe4christ:
I've often wonder long ago as a believer and still wonder till date why the church/christian would rather keep mute on this glaring contradiction.
This particular contradiction is in reference to the genealogy of christ as recorded in Mathew 1:1-16
And Luke 3:23-38 by two individual who we were taught to believe they were inspired to write the scripture by the holy spirit.
But I cannot fathom why two testimonies can thus be conflicting despite being inspired by thesame spirit.
Or could I be reeking of ignorance? Then maybe those knowledgeable about scriptural truth could help me better understand.
Meanwhile the contraction started from King David the ancestor of Jesus, and it makes me wonder if it is thesame Jesus' genealogy that is being written by the "spirit inspired" two independent separate writers of the books that makes up the "Holy Book".

Below are lists of the genealogy as recorded in the two books:

According to Matthew 1:1-16;
[b]1 This is a record of the ancestors of Jesus the
Messiah, a descendant of David a and of Abraham:
2 Abraham was the father of Isaac.
Isaac was the father of Jacob.
Jacob was the father of Judah and his brothers.
3 Judah was the father of Perez and Zerah (whose
mother was Tamar).
Perez was the father of Hezron.
Hezron was the father of Ram. b
4 Ram was the father of Amminadab.
Amminadab was the father of Nahshon.
Nahshon was the father of Salmon.
5 Salmon was the father of Boaz (whose mother
was Rahab).
Boaz was the father of Obed (whose mother was
Ruth).
Obed was the father of Jesse.
6 Jesse was the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon (whose mother
was Bathsheba, the widow of Uriah).
7 Solomon was the father of Rehoboam.
Rehoboam was the father of Abijah.
Abijah was the father of Asa. c
8 Asa was the father of Jehoshaphat.
Jehoshaphat was the father of Jehoram. d
Jehoram was the father e of Uzziah.
9 Uzziah was the father of Jotham.
Jotham was the father of Ahaz.
Ahaz was the father of Hezekiah.
10 Hezekiah was the father of Manasseh.
Manasseh was the father of Amon. f
Amon was the father of Josiah.
11 Josiah was the father of Jehoiachin g and his
brothers (born at the time of the exile to Babylon).
12 After the Babylonian exile:
Jehoiachin was the father of Shealtiel.
Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel.
13 Zerubbabel was the father of Abiud.
Abiud was the father of Eliakim.
Eliakim was the father of Azor.
14 Azor was the father of Zadok.
Zadok was the father of Akim.
Akim was the father of Eliud.
15 Eliud was the father of Eleazar.
Eleazar was the father of Matthan.
Matthan was the father of Jacob.
16 Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of
Mary.
Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is called the
Messiah.[/b]

While Luke 3:23-38
[b]23 Jesus was about thirty years old when he
began his public ministry.
Jesus was known as the son of Joseph.
Joseph was the son of Heli.
24 Heli was the son of Matthat.
Matthat was the son of Levi.
Levi was the son of Melki.
Melki was the son of Jannai.
Jannai was the son of Joseph.
25 Joseph was the son of Mattathias.
Mattathias was the son of Amos.
Amos was the son of Nahum.
Nahum was the son of Esli.
Esli was the son of Naggai.
26 Naggai was the son of Maath.
Maath was the son of Mattathias.
Mattathias was the son of Semein.
Semein was the son of Josech.
Josech was the son of Joda.
27 Joda was the son of Joanan.
Joanan was the son of Rhesa.
Rhesa was the son of Zerubbabel.
Zerubbabel was the son of Shealtiel.
Shealtiel was the son of Neri.
28 Neri was the son of Melki.
Melki was the son of Addi.
Addi was the son of Cosam.
Cosam was the son of Elmadam.
Elmadam was the son of Er.
29 Er was the son of Joshua.
Joshua was the son of Eliezer.
Eliezer was the son of Jorim.
Jorim was the son of Matthat.
Matthat was the son of Levi.
30 Levi was the son of Simeon.
Simeon was the son of Judah.
Judah was the son of Joseph.
Joseph was the son of Jonam.
Jonam was the son of Eliakim.
31 Eliakim was the son of Melea.
Melea was the son of Menna.
Menna was the son of Mattatha.
Mattatha was the son of Nathan.
Nathan was the son of David.
32 David was the son of Jesse.
Jesse was the son of Obed.
Obed was the son of Boaz.
Boaz was the son of Salmon. h
Salmon was the son of Nahshon.
33 Nahshon was the son of Amminadab.
Amminadab was the son of Admin.
Admin was the son of Arni. i
Arni was the son of Hezron.
Hezron was the son of Perez.
Perez was the son of Judah.
34 Judah was the son of Jacob.
Jacob was the son of Isaac.
Isaac was the son of Abraham.
Abraham was the son of Terah.
Terah was the son of Nahor.
35 Nahor was the son of Serug.
Serug was the son of Reu.
Reu was the son of Peleg.
Peleg was the son of Eber.
Eber was the son of Shelah.
36 Shelah was the son of Cainan.
Cainan was the son of Arphaxad.
Arphaxad was the son of Shem.
Shem was the son of Noah.
Noah was the son of Lamech.
37 Lamech was the son of Methuselah.
Methuselah was the son of Enoch.
Enoch was the son of Jared.
Jared was the son of Mahalalel.
Mahalalel was the son of Kenan.
38 Kenan was the son of Enosh. j
Enosh was the son of Seth.
Seth was the son of Adam.
Adam was the son of God.[/b]

So, maybe someone can show me how these two scriptures aint contradictory with reasonable explanation.

Thanks!

gatiano:
https://www.nairaland.com/2067472/messiah-anti-messiah

One was Christ (Matthew), the other was fake (Anti-christ).

sportsmaster:

its like an INFINITE LOOP in C++.
No matter how many times you prove the Wrong,they will come up with several babblings and stuffs like that.
It is a never ending arguement.

Scholar8200:
Matthew picks up Joseph's descent from Solomon, son of David; Luke (writing to an elite who may be curious) picks up Mary's descent from Nathan,son of David and mentions Joseph being a legal son of Mary's father by virtue of marriage, according to genealogical practices. (You hardly find names of Jewish women in genealogies except for women who initially were not Jews).

dalaman:


"Christians claim that Lukes account is Marys fathers genealogy through Heli and Matthews account is Josephs genealogy. This is very unlikely, as we shall soon see. If David was a common ancestor of both Marys fathers line and Josephs line then obviously the two genealogies split from David into his two sons, Nathan carried Mary's fathers line and Solomon carried Josephs line. All good to start off with, but we run into a major problem when we get to the name Salathiel and his son Zorobabel which are shared by both lists. See Mary's fathers line says that Salathiel was the son of Neri whereas Josephs line says that he was the son of Jechonias. Unless Neri and Jechonias were homosexual parents to Salathiel, there is no possible way to resolve this conflict. Even trying to go the way of father-inlaw like with Josephs father (both Heli and Jacob) doesnt work because if Salathiel wife's father was Neri and Salathiel's father was Jechonias then the Mary's fathers line would be broken. The only way to resolve the two accounts on this point is to say that one of the genealogies is wrong"

http://antecessor.hubpages.com/hub/Bible-Contradictions-The-Geneology-of-Jesus



In addition to the above it is very obvious that the writers do not know what they are stating so people like you and other apologist complete it with your own unfounded speculations. The writers were very clear in what they were stating.The lineage in Matt has 12 fewer generations between Joseph and Abraham than the one in Luke. So if it were true that they were separate lineages of Joseph and Mary, then Joseph would have been a contemporary of Mary's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather. You can't just dance around this very clear issue by making unfounded assumptions.

sportsmaster:

its like an INFINITE LOOP in C++.
No matter how many times you prove the Wrong,they will come up with several babblings and stuffs like that.
It is a never ending arguement.

KingEbukasBlog:



#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

int main ()
{

for( ; ; )
{
printf("I dont understand the bible because I'm an atheist .\ n ";
}

}

dalaman:

davien:
He's a troll/clown...

dalaman:

KingEbukasBlog:


bro , its a c++ infinite loop ... it prints "I dont understand the bible because I'm an atheist " non-stop ( relates to what sportsmaster was saying )

dalaman:


"Christians claim that Lukes account is Marys fathers genealogy through Heli and Matthews account is Josephs genealogy. This is very unlikely, as we shall soon see. If David was a common ancestor of both Marys fathers line and Josephs line then obviously the two genealogies split from David into his two sons, Nathan carried Mary's fathers line and Solomon carried Josephs line. All good to start off with, but we run into a major problem when we get to the name Salathiel and his son Zorobabel which are shared by both lists. See Mary's fathers line says that Salathiel was the son of Neri whereas Josephs line says that he was the son of Jechonias. Unless Neri and Jechonias were homosexual parents to Salathiel, there is no possible way to resolve this conflict. Even trying to go the way of father-inlaw like with Josephs father (both Heli and Jacob) doesnt work because if Salathiel wife's father was Neri and Salathiel's father was Jechonias then the Mary's fathers line would be broken. The only way to resolve the two accounts on this point is to say that one of the genealogies is wrong"

http://antecessor.hubpages.com/hub/Bible-Contradictions-The-Geneology-of-Jesus