stag:


I feel the plight of the igbo because I have some extent of stake in it and I have had great warm friends who are Igbos.
[s]But, unfortunately the way your leaders are going about it won't yield much. A tree can not be a forest. You need allies. You can't fight the yaribas, fight the hawusas and discriminate against the Aniomas, look down on South-South and hope to politically gain ground.

Don't play the victim card while preaching only hate. Iran just sacrificed something because they want to move ahead, away from sanctions and hate from the western media. China, Singapore n co opted for partnerships to be able to grow.

You should be building, not burning bridges. You may later not need the bridges but cross to your promised land first.[/s] You need visionary strategists and very diplomatic masterminds as leaders and you would realize your dream of Biafra without a single blood shed.

Best of luck, friend.

nwaanambra1:


Eziokwu bu ndu! God bless you so much!

[s]I keep telling my people, jonathan is the worst thing to have hit the igboland since after the civil war!

The loses we incurred bc of the jonathan is much more than the loses we incurred during the civil war!

After taking us back 30 years bc of our support for him, his people have now moved on leaving us behind and worst is, they have taken our blessings along with them! Now they are gaining political appointments that should av been rightly ours![/s]

His people hav even started warning us to keep them out our stvpid quest for Biafra!

NDI IGBO ITS TIME WE OPEN OUR EYESoooo!

logica:
Hahahaha. So ALL Igbos were Ojukwu. Look at this f00l. How many Igbos at the time were millionaires? You see what happens when you don't have a history? I know your monkey parents didn't know the purchasing power of the pound in the 60s; that's why they told you they were millionaires. That's why they borrowed the stories of Ojukwu. LMAO. Even Ojukwu's father could not claim to have millions of pounds to his name at the time. Now JAMB question for you; how much was a Rolls Royce in the 60s? Don't bother asking your illiterate FATHER though; he has no clue.

logica:
...so na Federal Government that will sink in money just for you to have a man made seaport? Man!

squaddy:
Blah blah blah...amala...babbling...blah blah amala

IGBOSON1:


^^^Isn't it the same federal gov't that has spent billions of dollars building a refinery in the North; laying underground pipelines to draw crude from the Niger Delta to the north; building irrigation and hydro-electric dams in the North; and funding near empty LGAs and unviable states created for the sole aim of grabbing more of that oyel money?

For a people whose resources have given Nigeria Billions of dollars over the past four decades, i don't see why spending a bit of that money to make Onitsha accessible to the sea is a problem!

logica:
LOL. See sense of entitlement. Yes, I expected Kaduna refinery would enter this discussion; it doesn't make sense. I agree. But guess what, the dudes who decided to come up with the jaw dropping idea were military and in power. Maybe you should make a grab for power too. Let's see how that goes.

Back to your sense of entitlement; the people of the coastline are more entitled than anywhere in Igboland on your claim to giving Nigeria billions of dollars. In which case the people of Rivers, Bayelsa and even Ondo would have a case to clamor for an expensive man-made seaport. They are not (because they already have natural seaports) or are simply not interested. So where does that leave your sense of entitlement?

xtrorse:


It is quite commendable for you to understand the wickedness being carried out in this contraption. But what I see as been economical with the truth is you stating that Igbos are fighting everybody including discriminating against the Aniomas, and that they are not building bridges! This sort of propaganda should not be condoned. 

If there is any one tribe in the world that values and protects the stranger that tribe is Igbo. Igbos permeate almost every nook and cranny of the country, peacefully and immensely contributing their quota to the economic advancement of the locals and the country at large. I am yet to read Igbos on rampage causing havoc and fighting their 'host'. Igbos network with their 'host', build business empires and some of them even get married to their 'host', all for peaceful co-existence and building bridges. Is there any tribe that exhibits such 'Nigerianess' than the Igbos? NO! Is that not building bridges? Is that tantamount to preaching hate and burning bridges?

But what do the Igbos get in return for this patriotic display of One Nigeria - threats and destruction of their lives and properties by the so called 'host'? Igbos are being harassed, molested and their legal businesses distrupted on regular basis by the 'host' and its government. 

Oba Riliwanu Akiolu of Lagos even went as far as threatening to drown Igbos in the Lagoon if they did not vote for his candidate in the last 2015 election. And a good number of Yorubas hailed and supported their Oba for the bold step!

May I ask you, for many decades now, how did Hausa-Fulani build bridges with the frequent killings and destruction of lives, properties and places of Christian worships, not to mention the Boko-Haram insurgents who are not only threatening the existence of the country but maim and kill peasants farmers and villagers on a regular basis? But they now have the presidency and the Yorubas vice-presidency! What a misnomer!

In the light of this, it is very unjust to accuse Igbos of preaching hatred and not building bridges just because they seek a legal way of determining their destiny. Stating that Igbos are not building bridges or that they are playing the victim card while preaching only hate messages is demonising to state the least. 

The Igbos have done much and achieved much for themselves and Nigeria. Whatever negative impression you get from any quarter is as result of envy - the pull-him-down syndrome. But that has not deterred Igbos from waxing stronger and excelling in almost every socio-economic index.

Let's try to be objective with our views and desist from propagating the usual lies and falsehood to attempt to divert attention from the nitty gritty.

logica:
I doubt you'd make sense to even your FATHER; even as you inherited the mental illness troubling you from him.

stag:


Bro, don't mix up issues. I care less about Oba Akiolu's personal utterances. I only stated my point of view, and if you think my opinion was thrash then by all means, carry on with however you think is best for you and your people. If one thinks my friendly opinion was flawed, at the very least I'd expect friendly responses to it.

You can as well cancel this post and rule it as thrash again. Best wishes.

xtrorse:


Hey dude, be reasonable and stop confusing yourself! So you care less about Oba Akiolu's stupiid and unwarranted utterances against a whole tribe but you deemed it fit to state that an industrious, peace-loving people are burning bridges by seeking a separate entity?

Well, your biased 'friendly' opinion is not needed. 
Good luck to you and your supposed bridge-builders!

stag:


Peace-loving as exemplified herein your response.
Indeed good luck to you.

*for clarity sake to other readers: seeking a separate entity is not what 'burning bridges' referred to. In no part of my posts did I infer that seeking a separate entity is 'burning bridges'. I hope the points earlier made are comprehended without misconceptions.

@OP: these images are really nice & thought provoking.

xtrorse:


Next time you should try to be objective and unbiased. But if you insist on the contrary, good luck to you and your supposed bridge-builders!

xtrorse:

...but you deemed it fit to state that an industrious, peace-loving people are burning bridges by seeking a separate entity?..

logica:
LOL. Millions right? How many Igbos had millions of pounds banked in the 60s? Wait, let's even start with thousands. How many had thousand banked? Wait a minute, let's start with hundreds. Maybe you don't know the average annual salary at the time was not even up to £20.

stag:


Please soft peddle a bit. If you want to call me out intellectually, although I do not promise to be without flaws, I will oblige you a fine discourse. In fact I would appreciate conversations that are mentally stimulating.

But if you intend to pull me into Oba-Akiolu-said-this-and-that and indulge in abusive rants, I'd pass.
Take another look at my original post in contention and please point to me where I 'deemed it fit' to state that seeking a separate entity is same as 'burning bridges' as your post below says. Or that by simply seeking a separate identity, the igbos are burning bridges.
*waiting*

xtrorse:


Hey dude, you should be supporting the dredging the River Niger and not being unnecessarily unreasonable. 

Can you explain the reasoning behind the siting of 500,000 bpd Dangote Refinery in South West and not in Niger-delta or South East? Is the South East not entitled to host such refinery with the close proximity of her oil wells? 

Can you mention Dangote's factories situated in the East? Can you explain the rationale behind the building of Oil and Gas training centres in Ogun State during Obasanjo’s regime? Is Ogun State an oil producing State?
Is Hydroelectric dam only suitable in the North and not in the East?

squaddy:

How would I make sense to a simpleton who in the 21st century still believes his ancestors fell from the sky. Phu.ck outta here orangutan.

Lovesdaisied:
Nwafor Orizu, then prince of Nnewi and future Senate President. Picture profiled for Time Magazine issue released in 1945.

Mckennedy:


you're a dullard,,,if your generations are poor,,, mine ain't,,,Biafrans are mostly into business and are not depending on month end salaries,,,do you know how much it takes to fill a 40 ft cargo container including shipment and clearing? I think you should ask your father's why they were so jealous of Biafra who want to go their own ways?

logica:
LOL. See sense of entitlement. Yes, I expected Kaduna refinery would enter this discussion; it doesn't make sense. I agree. But guess what, the dudes who decided to come up with the jaw dropping idea were military and in power. Maybe you should make a grab for power too. Let's see how that goes.

Back to your sense of entitlement; the people of the coastline are more entitled than anywhere in Igboland on your claim to giving Nigeria billions of dollars. In which case the people of Rivers, Bayelsa and even Ondo would have a case to clamor for an expensive man-made seaport. They are not (because they already have natural seaports) or are simply not interested. So where does that leave your sense of entitlement?

logica:
Huh? Who is to tell Dangote where he should site his companies? Are you kidding or something?

And yes, Ogun State is oil producing. Seems you are a bit behind the news.

IGBOSON1:
More allusion to entitlement and victim complex

xtrorse:


Friend, rather than using Oba Akiolu's outburst to divert attention, you need to reconsider your comment by 4:44pm of Aug 03 and explain the unnecessary and unfounded insinuations about Igbos.

For the benefit of doubt, here is what you previously stated:
"...unfortunately the way your leaders are going about it won't yield much. A tree can not be a forest. You need allies. You can't fight the yaribas, fight the hawusas and discriminate against the Aniomas, look down on South-South and hope to politically gain ground.

Don't play the victim card while preaching only hate...
You should be building, not burning bridges..."

I feel the plight of the igbo because I have some extent of stake in it and I have had great warm friends who are Igbos.
But, unfortunately the way your leaders are going about it won't yield much. A tree can not be a forest. You need allies. You can't fight the yaribas, fight the hawusas and discriminate against the Aniomas, look down on South-South and hope to politically gain ground.

Don't play the victim card while preaching only hate. Iran just sacrificed something because they want to move ahead, away from sanctions and hate from the western media. China, Singapore n co opted for partnerships to be able to grow.

You should be building, not burning bridges. You may later not need the bridges but cross to your promised land first. You need visionary strategists and very diplomatic masterminds as leaders and you would realize your dream of Biafra without a single blood shed.

Best of luck, friend.

xtrorse:


Hey bigot, is that the explanation you've got for all the thought-provoking questions posed to you?

It is very pathetic that a lot of your people are unreasonable biased. You are not satisfied with the oil wells stolen from Delta State and given to your Ondo State that you have begun carrying an evil rumour that Ogun State is an oil producing state just to mischievously dodge the question posed to you?

logica:
No where in your post do you STILL justify why the Federal government should build a cosmetic seaport at Onitsha. It is nothing but ornamental in the Federal scheme of things. Likewise the "Second Niger Bridge". This second bridge I take it to also cross from East to West right? Now, ask yourself why the people of the West are not clamoring for that same bridge after all it also involves the West. Trust me, if the West were vested and interested in such a venture, it would've been done without Federal intervention.

IGBOSON1:


^^^So you read my last post and couldn't find where i justified building a seaport at Onitsha? Of course i never expected someone like you to see it as anything other than 'cosmetic' and 'ornamental'!

So you actually have a problem with Ndigbo asking for a second Niger bridge? Why is it eating you up that Ndigbo want a second Niger bridge? Did you see Ndigbo up in arms when the federal gov't was building all the bridges, flyovers, theatres, int'l airports, and other federal infrastructure in Lagos? You know who you remind me of?.....You remind me of the evil woman that came before King Solomon with the true owner of the baby in contention and would rather the baby was killed than have the other woman keep it! Your heart is so dark and filled with hatred, wickedness and envy towards Ndigbo that you can't just bare the thought of them getting any major infrastructure from the federal gov't that could better their lot! This is exactly what i mean when i say Ndigbo (esp' the gullible ones) need to seriously think of their place in a country where they have to answer 'fellow compatriot' with the hateful likes of you!

There you go again positing that since others haven't 'clamored' for something that Ndigbo should keep quiet! Just where do you come off thinking that we should fashion our demands in accordance with the pace and wishes of others? Ndigbo want that bridge because the existing Niger bridge is the only crossing from east to west and vice-versa, is over-worked, and is in imminent danger of collapse with the potential loss of many lives such a collapse would entail!

You need deliverance mate!

IGBOSON1:


^^^So you read my last post and couldn't find where i justified building a seaport at Onitsha? Of course i never expected someone like you to see it as anything other than 'cosmetic' and 'ornamental'!

So you actually have a problem with Ndigbo asking for a second Niger bridge? Why is it eating you up that Ndigbo want a second Niger bridge? Did you see Ndigbo up in arms when the federal gov't was building all the bridges, flyovers, theatres, int'l airports, and other federal infrastructure in Lagos? You know who you remind me of?.....You remind me of the evil woman that came before King Solomon with the true owner of the baby in contention and would rather the baby was killed than have the other woman keep it! Your heart is so dark and filled with hatred, wickedness and envy towards Ndigbo that you can't just bare the thought of them getting any major infrastructure from the federal gov't that could better their lot! This is exactly what i mean when i say Ndigbo (esp' the gullible ones) need to seriously think of their place in a country where they have to answer 'fellow compatriot' with the hateful likes of you!

There you go again positing that since others haven't 'clamored' for something that Ndigbo should keep quiet! Just where do you come off thinking that we should fashion our demands in accordance with the pace and wishes of others? Ndigbo want that bridge because the existing Niger bridge is the only crossing from east to west and vice-versa, is over-worked, and is in imminent danger of collapse with the potential loss of many lives such a collapse would entail!

You need deliverance mate!

logica:
LOL. Monkey. So Biafrans were filling container ships back in the 60s. You don't have history. You don't have a narrative. That's why m0r0ns like you don't know life back in the '60s was vastly different. Even chimps have a better narrative than you. You who can't even trace your lineage 3 generations backward claiming to be something.

Mckennedy:


smelly mouthed coward talking,,,always crying heediot ....bastard born out of othman empire illorin what do you know about the war?

stag:


In good faith, to complete the sentence and put the whole comment in perspective:



So Is there anywhere here I 'deemed it fit' to state the a people who seek their own separate identity/entity is same as burning bridges? Pls specifically point it out.

Again, for clarity sake let me rephrase and maybe my post will be clearer.

Leave the industrious part/achievements for now. Politics is what will achieve whatever you seek without another round of bloodshed. The leaders don't need to polarize themselves. In power play as in power politics, everyone maneuvers, make alliances. Sometimes, even with people you despise just to achieve your ultimate bigger picture, in this case, your promised land.
You are industrious and peace-loving. But apparently, its not enough to grant your wish. There has been a war that wasn't very fruitful, if at all.

Your leaders need to apply the basic rules of power. If you hate the southwest, lure the north to your cause or even the middle belts. If you hate the north, lure the southwest. You really need to have allies to get some job done.

I don't know if I am the one that's not being practical here but the fact, perhaps remotely rational, is that you can not be by yourself, loathe your neighbors to their faces and except them to sign in to your cause. Carefully choose friends and form strong bonds by building better cordial/working relationships.

This is what I meant by building bridges. Not polarizing yourself and burning bridges without any real friends to aid your cause.

But of course, maybe you xtrorse, have it already figured out and don't need my 'biased', 'unfriendly', 'unfounded' and 'baseless' opinions.
Good luck with your award winning strategy to achieve your promised land, Sir.

logica:
http://www.punchng.com/business/business-economy/lagos-to-join-oil-producing-states-in-2015/

What I find more pathetic was that comment about where Dangote sited his refinery. LMAO. I categorically state I have never seen such "unique" way of thinking. Thought provoking indeed; I did think about your sanity.