Outspoken man of God Kelvin Kwesi Kobir, who is founder and head pastor of the Zoe Outreach Embassy church, formerly Charismatic Worship Center has jabbed the biggest christian denomination in continue here https://butchersweetsweat./2015/08/05/catholics-are-not-christians-kelvin-kwesi-kobiri/

We gree! We wont still cone to ur church!

And Pentecostals are Christians? I don't get how we Christians are so quick to judge others....Why not concentrate on winning souls for Christ.


I'm not a Catholic but just don't like the way some "pastors" say things that are not necessary

as if he knows the history of his Religion. religion=mental illness

So many years ago, the only available church was Catholic.

It is no longer news.

sweetfordays:
So many years ago, the only available church was Catholic.

Not true

Na today, maybe the 'real Christians' are those noise-makers under companies and rented school compounds every Sunday disturbing the peace of the neighbourhood, so Pastor Kelvin face your journey it is not as if anyone renouncing their Catholic Faith will increase your chances of making heaven!

ammyluv2002:
And Pentecostals are Christians? I don't get how we Christians are so quick to judge others....Why not concentrate on winning souls for Christ.


I'm not a Catholic but just don't like the way some "pastors" say things that are not necessary

Sweet heart. Catholics are not Christians. Catholicism is a distinct religion, like Islam.

analice107:

Sweet heart. Catholics are not Christians. Catholicism is a distinct religion, like Islam.

Mother Theresa was a philanthropist right


You are the real Christian wow!!

MRAKPORS:


Not true

Christianity is all about being Christ like; just as it was recorded in antioch. The apostles headed the Christian sect (Peter was the first pope). The catholic church gave chapters and verses to the Bible and also compile the new testament. The table of last supper, cross on which Jesus was crucified were all preserved in the basilica to this day. Catholics always maintain a daily communion with the almighty through the mass(simple powerful bold communion with heaven and earth, where Christ is both the priest and the offering for sacrifice). Daily reading from the bible plus hymn and simple but powerful prayer, and meditation on the word made flesh(Christ) and try to lead a life were Christ is the model. These = Christianity

analice107:

Sweet heart. Catholics are not Christians. Catholicism is a distinct religion, like Islam.

Does it mean the ark of covenant, cheruben, images in the temple of Jerusalem were all idols.
Christianity is all about being Christ like; just as it was recorded in antioch. The apostles headed the Christian sect (Peter was the first pope). The catholic church gave chapters and verses to the Bible and also compile the new testament. The table of last supper, cross on which Jesus was crucified were all preserved in the basilica to this day. Catholics always maintain a daily communion with the almighty through the mass(simple powerful bold communion with heaven and earth, where Christ is both the priest and the offering for sacrifice). Daily reading from the bible plus hymn and simple but powerful prayer, and meditation on the word made flesh(Christ) and try to lead a life were Christ is the model. Christianity is not religion but lifestyle living like Christ.

You are lying Kelvin. Evil words against The Holy Spirit is punishable by The Holy Spirit. Always remember that St. Peter, if you know who he is, was the first Pope in Rome and St. John was the first Pope in Alexandria. These gave us Sunday as the authorised and approved Sabbath day by Jesus Christ for all Christians. let's leave 7days Adventists for now.

49cents:


Mother olk was a philanthropist right


You are the real Christian wow!!

So you use philanthropism to determine Christianity. That's just so dumb. So all the atheist philanthropists are Christians? Sorry to bust your bubbles, if Mother Teresa wasn't born again, she would ve gone to he'll fire.
1Corinthians 13: 3.And though I give all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burnt and have not love, it profits me nothing.
What is love? Jesus sys if you love me keep my commandment. What is his commandment. You MUST BE BORN AGAIN. without holiness, no man shall see God, not those who are good people.

orunto27:
You are lying Kelvin. Evil words against The Holy Spirit is punishable by The Holy Spirit. Always remember that St. Peter, if you know who he is, was the first Pope in Rome and St. John was the first Pope in Alexandria. These gave us Sunday as the authorised and approved Sabbath day by Jesus Christ for all Christians. let's leave 7days Adventists for now.

St. Peter was the first Pope according to who? At what point in Christiandom was the first Pope ordained?

analice107:

So you use philanthropism to determine Christianity. That's just so dumb. So all the atheist philanthropists are Christians? Sorry to bust your bubbles, if Mother Teresa wasn't born again, she would ve gone to he'll fire.
1Corinthians 13: 3.And though I give all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burnt and have not love, it profits me nothing.
What is love? Jesus sys if you love me keep my commandment. What is his commandment. You MUST BE BORN AGAIN. without holiness, no man shall see God, not those who are good people.

Even your renowned Pastors speak glowingly of her...from TD Jakes to Myles Munroe


A missionary who left everything to serve the poor will end up in he'll according to you

analice107:

St. Peter was the first Pope according to who? At what point in Christiandom was the first Pope ordained?

if you ask me, na who I go ask? They keep saying Peter was the first pope. Who ordained him pope and where was it recorded in the bible? Or any record whatsoever

History! Just like telling me that my great grandmother died in fatal accident. If the source is trustworthy, I believe. This is Faith to benefit from what you hear.

As for ordination, Jesus Christ Himself laid the foundation on Petros(Peter), the Rock.

Hmmm

ebukason3:

Does it mean the ark of covenant, cheruben, images in the temple of Jerusalem were all idols.
Christianity is all about being Christ like; just as it was recorded in antioch. The apostles headed the Christian sect (Peter was the first pope). The catholic church gave chapters and verses to the Bible and also compile the new testament. The table of last supper, cross on which Jesus was crucified were all preserved in the basilica to this day. Catholics always maintain a daily communion with the almighty through the mass(simple powerful bold communion with heaven and earth, where Christ is both the priest and the offering for sacrifice). Daily reading from the bible plus hymn and simple but powerful prayer, and meditation on the word made flesh(Christ) and try to lead a life were Christ is the model. Christianity is not religion but lifestyle living like Christ.

I never wanted to dabble into arguments on issues like this, but your opening statement caught my attention.
Bros, we are no longer under the old covenant so we don't repeat that which has been declared imperfect and changed!
Jeremiah 31:31-33 (Hebrews 8:8-10) God said that He would make a new covenant with His people which is not according to the one made with their fathers (old covenant). Christ is the fulfillment of the new covenant. If there had been nothing wrong with the first covenant, there won't be need for the second (Heb 8:7)
Everything about old system of worship was nullified by the coming of Christ starting from the physical tents, covenant box, cherubim & seraphim, Aaron's stick, blood sacrifice, ritual cleansing etc. They are mere shadows of the reality and no longer practiced or imitated (Heb 9).
So plz don't use the old system of worship to justify any doctrine.

Here's a fun fact, if catholics aren't Christians then Islam becomes the number one dominant religion in the world and every nation that accepted Christianity through Catholic missionaries aren't really Christian...

orunto27:
You are lying Kelvin. Evil words against The Holy Spirit is punishable by The Holy Spirit. Always remember that St. Peter, if you know who he is, was the first Pope in Rome and St. John was the first Pope in Alexandria. These gave us Sunday as the authorised and approved Sabbath day by Jesus Christ for all Christians. let's leave 7days Adventists for now.

How come you now have to speak for this holyspirit.

Abi Holyspirit only has feelings but cannot speak for itself or thyself..

davien:
Here's a fun fact, if catholics aren't Christians then Islam becomes the number one dominant religion in the world and every nation that accepted Christianity through Catholic missionaries aren't really Christian...

Thatz so true. Xtians be making daft comments since the time of columbus

analice107:

So you use philanthropism to determine Christianity. That's just so dumb. So all the atheist philanthropists are Christians? Sorry to bust your bubbles, if Mother Teresa wasn't born again, she would ve gone to he'll fire.
1Corinthians 13: 3.And though I give all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burnt and have not love, it profits me nothing.
What is love? Jesus sys if you love me keep my commandment. What is his commandment. You MUST BE BORN AGAIN. without holiness, no man shall see God, not those who are good people.

Tufiakwa...!!! See blackmail.

As you condem those before you to the pit of hell because of your selfish reasons "salvation" so will your descendant condem you too.

Say amen...

Peritus:

I never wanted to dabble into arguments on issues like this, but your opening statement caught my attention.
Bros, we are no longer under the old covenant so we don't repeat that which has been declared imperfect and changed!
Jeremiah 31:31-33 (Hebrews 8:8-10) God said that He would make a new covenant with His people which is not according to the one made with their fathers (old covenant). Christ is the fulfillment of the new covenant. If there had been nothing wrong with the first covenant, there won't be need for the second (Heb 8:7)
Everything about old system of worship was nullified by the coming of Christ starting from the physical tents, covenant box, cherubim & seraphim, Aaron's stick, blood sacrifice, ritual cleansing etc. They are mere shadows of the reality and no longer practiced or imitated (Heb 9).
So plz don't use the old system of worship to justify any doctrine.

Wait a minute!!!

If Jesus died for your sin. Does that not make you a recipient of blood sacrifice. If you take communion does that not constitute as a matter ritual cleansing in remembrance of the human sacrifice. Hmmm

You also said that something was wrong with the first covenant. By your statement it appears that there is something wrong with the second covenant.. If you believe in the blood of jesus without an actual blood. That constitutes imitation...

The third covenant is long overdue. Don't you think..

Peritus:

I never wanted to dabble into arguments on issues like this, but your opening statement caught my attention.
Bros, we are no longer under the old covenant so we don't repeat that which has been declared imperfect and changed!
Jeremiah 31:31-33 (Hebrews 8:8-10) God said that He would make a new covenant with His people which is not according to the one made with their fathers (old covenant). Christ is the fulfillment of the new covenant. If there had been nothing wrong with the first covenant, there won't be need for the second (Heb 8:7)
Everything about old system of worship was nullified by the coming of Christ starting from the physical tents, covenant box, cherubim & seraphim, Aaron's stick, blood sacrifice, ritual cleansing etc. They are mere shadows of the reality and no longer practiced or imitated (Heb 9).
So plz don't use the old system of worship to justify any doctrine.

What of paying Tithe to pastors, was it nullified also, since it is old testament practice ,

Rayhutar:

What of paying Tithe to pastors, was it nullified also, since it is old testament practice ,

And also offerings and first fruits.

urahara:


And also offerings and first fruits.

yes oo!

GooseBaba:


Wait a minute!!!

If Jesus died for your sin. Does that not make you a recipient of blood sacrifice. If you take communion does that not constitute as a matter ritual cleansing in remembrance of the human sacrifice. Hmmm

You also said that something was wrong with the first covenant. By your statement it appears that there is something wrong with the second covenant.. If you believe in the blood of jesus without an actual blood. That constitutes imitation...

The third covenant is long overdue. Don't you think..

What kind of reasoning is this? Do you hear of yearly blood sacrifice for remission of sin any longer? Who told you that communion is about cleansing?
My reply is based on the mention of cherubim and seraphim as it's one of the reasons people give to justify the use of sculpted images.
Come up with something better, or better shut ur vocal doors.

Peritus:

What kind of reasoning is this? Do you hear of yearly blood sacrifice for remission of sin any longer? Who told you that communion is about cleansing?
My reply is based on the mention of cherubim and seraphim as it's one of the reasons people give to justify the use of sculpted images.
Come up with something better, or better shut ur vocal doors.

You don dodge Tithe, offering and first fruit giving abi that is also an old testament practice, because that one na bad market for you and your pastors, , una just dey wash peoples brain with the portion of Bible that sooth una interest, to me Catholic church remain the best of Christian church because they are not biased and believe in their tradition, which they have practiced for more than 1700 yrs. Not all this mushroom churches that is springing up here and there looking for money to acquire private jets

Peritus:

What kind of reasoning is this? Do you hear of yearly blood sacrifice for remission of sin any longer? Who told you that communion is about cleansing?
My reply is based on the mention of cherubim and seraphim as it's one of the reasons people give to justify the use of sculpted images.
Come up with something better, or better shut ur vocal doors.

Body of christ and his blood is what...? Can anyone walk into your church and receive it or they've to be members.

Kindly tell me the purpose of communion. I will like to learn..

Also, Do you believe in the death of christ for atonement of your sin... Yes or no... If yes, does that not make you a recipient of blood sacrifice.