https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3r5xPLfbmY

Please oblige me yall. Bear in mind, Edwina Currie is a former British MP.

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LordReed
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The general public is, of course, invited to weigh in on the matter.

Ok

Generally quotas are useful and help increase participation


However they become an end in itself over time and encourage mediocrity over time

I will view the vid later

pickabeau1:
Generally quotas are useful and help increase participation


However they become an end in itself over time and encourage mediocrity over time

I will view the vid later

What is the point of an artificial increase in participation really?

Which is why they should be shelved entirely in the discourse for gender equality

I'm eager to hear your views after watching.

Timbuktou:


What is the point of an artificial increase in participation really?

Which is why they should be shelved entirely in the discourse for gender equality

I'm eager to hear your views after watching.

Ok no problem

Quotas will always produce mediocrity. Merit & capability should be the benchmark, not gender. Meritocracy brings about meritorious development. Allowing incompetent & unqualified hands to execute & hold certain positions of which they obviously lack the required expertise, will & strength, all in a bid to appease some misplaced sentiments isn't emanpacition, but an unwarranted risk embedded in a looming thalidomide.

There is nothing discriminating about hiring & accepting only qualified hands.

OK.. I watched.. facts stated in the clip

13.2 percent in judiciary, 15.6 in directorships, 21.7 in cabinet positions

Overall 32 percent representation (1 in 3)...

Well there are questions to be asked also

How many women are in these fields in the first place
How many women are in these fields but being denied advancement opportunities compared to their male counterparts

Edwina Currie made some good points and said women who came in via special arrangements were useless in parliaments

Hence quotas defeat themselves in the end

The other lady did not make any points especially with relation to pregnancies in women




LOL... theres one angry guy in the background

pickabeau1:
OK.. I watched.. facts stated in the clip

13.2 percent in judiciary, 15.6 in directorships, 21.7 in cabinet positions

Overall 32 percent representation (1 in 3)...

Well there are questions to be asked also

How many women are in these fields in the first place
How many women are in these fields but being denied advancement opportunities compared to their male counterparts

Edwina Currie made some good points and said women who came in via special arrangements were useless in parliaments

Hence quotas defeat themselves in the end

The other lady did not make any points especially with relation to pregnancies in women




LOL... theres one angry guy in the background

I'd already had this opinion on quotas before seeing this clip, but since our people want to copy them, I just thought we should how well their experiments worked out for them. We should not do what the west says and does without thinking about it.

To the issue you raised, I'm very sceptical about claims saying women are denied opportunities just based on their gender. I say this from a place of experience in the Nigerian labour market, but it seems many females want to conform reality to their rhetoric rather than the other way around.

Also, and most importantly, the application of quota systems is discriminatory in and of itself. Men, and to a lesser extent, are cheated out of their legitimate rights and opportunities when someone is put where they don't belong just to achieve "representation".

Lastly, the narrator is a clown . I love listening to his sarcastic commentary.

pickabeau1:
Generally quotas are useful and help increase participation


However they become an end in itself over time and encourage mediocrity over time

I will view the vid later

My thoughts as well.

Timbuktou:


I'd already had this opinion on quotas before seeing this clip, but since our people want to copy them, I just thought we should how well their experiments worked out for them. We should not do what the west says and does without thinking about it.

To the issue you raised, I'm very sceptical about claims saying women are denied opportunities just based on their gender. I say this from a place of experience in the Nigerian labour market, but it seems many females want to conform reality to their rhetoric rather than the other way around.

Also, and most importantly, the application of quota systems is discriminatory in and of itself. Men, and to a lesser extent, are cheated out of their legitimate rights and opportunities when someone is put where they don't belong just to achieve "representation".

Lastly, the narrator is a clown . I love listening to his sarcastic commentary.

Question: do you think the local content bill is discriminatory?

LordReed:


My thoughts as well.

Interesting...

But don't quotas help ensure equality at all costs?

LordReed:


Question: do you think the local content bill is discriminatory?

It's not. The bill is to help Nigerians in Nigeria. Would you say issuing visas is discriminatory?

Timbuktou:


It's not. The bill is to help Nigerians in Nigeria. Would you say issuing visas is discriminatory?

No so why do you write like all forms of quotas are discriminatory? Do the foreigners who would otherwise be debarred not worth it on a merit based scale?

pickabeau1:


Interesting...

But don't quotas help ensure equality at all costs?

They help to include those who would otherwise loose out but like you rightly pointed out if mis-managed it will breed mediocrity. I think they should be transient not an established or entrenched method.

LordReed:


They help to include those who would otherwise loose out but like you rightly pointed out if mis-managed it will breed mediocrity. I think they should be transient not an established or entrenched method.

ok

LordReed:


No so why do you write like all forms of quotas are discriminatory?

Do the foreigners who would otherwise be debarred not worth it on a merit based scale?

The priority of the Nigerian government and general policy-machinery is to further the interest of the Nigerian people. Would you allow your neighbour's teenage children eat up all the food in your house to the detriment of your toddlers because you want to give them all they deserve to eat? If you keep food for your children and not give the neighbours enough to feed them would that be discriminatory?

They can stay in their country and trade. Not all Nigerians are welcome to do business in foreign countries.

The topic clearly states quotas in the context of the push for fairness in the struggle for gender equality. However, I'm more than happy to answer your off-topic questions.

LordReed:


They help to include those who would otherwise loose out

but like you rightly pointed out if mis-managed it will breed mediocrity. I think they should be transient not an established or entrenched method.

Those who lose out were never deserving of the spot in the first place. Why do tests and get qualification at all when you can just quota the whole thing away!

The implementation of quotas is the beginning of mismanagement, everything that happens afterwards is academic.

Timbuktou:


The priority of the Nigerian government and general policy-machinery is to further the interest of the Nigerian people. Would you allow your neighbour's teenage children eat up all the food in your house to the detriment of your toddlers because you want to give them all they deserve to eat? If you keep food for your children and not give the neighbours enough to feed them would that be discriminatory?

They can stay in their country and trade. Not all Nigerians are welcome to do business in foreign countries.

The topic clearly states quotas in the context of the push for fairness in the struggle for gender equality. However, I'm more than happy to answer your off-topic questions.

It is relevant because one of your arguments is that quotas ignore merit. Here we have you vigorously defending quota because according to you it so as not to take the food out our children's mouths and you even say it is not discriminatory. How can I not believe you have double standards?

Timbuktou:


Those who lose out were never deserving of the spot in the first place. Why do tests and get qualification at all when you can just quota the whole thing away!

The implementation of quotas is the beginning of mismanagement, everything that happens afterwards is academic.

But you don't have this same attitude to the local content bill. Double standard or what?

LordReed:


It is relevant because one of your arguments is that quotas ignore merit. Here we have you vigorously defending quota because according to you it so as not to take the food out our children's mouths and you even say it is not discriminatory. How can I not believe you have double standards?

You have not answered my question. Would you feed outsiders at the expense of your children. Yes or no. And is that discriminatory or not?

Timbuktou:


You have not answered my question. Would you feed outsiders at the expense of your children. Yes or no. And is that discriminatory or not?

No I would not. That second question should be for you, I have already expressed that quotas need not be discriminatory. Also you need to answer how your attitude is not double standard.

LordReed:


No I would not. That second question should be for you, I have already expressed that quotas need not be discriminatory. Also you need to answer how your attitude is not double standard.

Is prioritizing the welfare of your household over outsiders' quota? . If you think it is then there is a problem with how we both view the meaning of the word quota.
Please explain the quota in feeding your children over outsiders.

Timbuktou:


Is prioritizing the welfare of your household over outsiders' quota? . If you think it is then there is a problem with how we both view the meaning of the word quota.
Please explain the quota in feeding your children over outsiders.

A very pathetic and disingenuous attempt to obfuscate. Your sudden failure to see the local content bill as a quota system is an obvious sign that you carry a double standard as regards quota and a proof that your views on this topic are thoroughly jaundiced.

LordReed:


A very pathetic and disingenuous attempt to obfuscate. Your sudden failure to see the local content bill as a quota system is an obvious sign that you carry a double standard as regards quota and a proof that your views on this topic are thoroughly jaundiced.

Your disingenuity is irritating. I've asked you questions you refuse to answer and you dare accuse me of obfuscation. Even if I agreed the LC bill is a quota system, how does that answer the question I asked you in the OP? Is the OP about local content? Again, I ask you, is deciding to feed your children a quota system? Answer and stop jumping about like spiderman.

Timbuktou:

Please explain the quota in feeding your children over outsiders.

Maybe you didn't see this question, I'm asking you to answer this.

Timbuktou:


Your disingenuity is irritating. I've asked you questions you refuse to answer and you dare accuse me of obfuscation. Even if I agreed the LC bill is a quota system, how does that answer the question I asked you in the OP? Is the OP about local content? Again, I ask you, is deciding to feed your children a quota system? Answer and stop jumping about like spiderman.

Say that you do not know how to read again. Here was my response to your question:

LordReed:

No I would not. That second question should be for you, I have already expressed that quotas need not be discriminatory. Also you need to answer how your attitude is not double standard.

How many times do I have to answer the same question but to answer mine you start dancing around like atilogun dancer.

I have already said why I brought up local content. If local content is good how is quota for women then bad? You have no response to this because your bloody hypocrisy has been exposed for the world to see.

LordReed:




I have already said why I brought up local content. If local content is good how is quota for women then bad? You have no response to this because your bloody hypocrisy has been exposed for the world to see.

Local content is good because it gives the rightful owners the opportunity to own and control their wealth. I know comprehension and critical thinking is difficult for you, but the Nigerian government exists to further the interest of the Nigerian people. Nigeria is not a free for all. Just as it would be unwise for you to allow outsiders guzzle up your resources at the expense of your family, it would be the height of foolishness to not have something like a local content bill.

Giving women quota in the workplace or anywhere else that requires merit for entry or advancement is unfair to those who have earned their entry and elevation through merit. The entry and advancement requirements may as well be done away with and all entry and advancement should be based on an arbitrary quota assignment. *smh*

Apples and oranges may both be fruits but they are not they same kind of fruit, sir.

LordReed

Do you think foreigners should get jobs and contracts that Nigerians can do In Nigeria?

pickabeau1:
LordReed

Do you think foreigners should get jobs and contracts that Nigerians can do In Nigeria?

I think who (in terms of race or nationality) gets the job is irrelevant however I think it wise to protect indigenous companies and workforce.

Timbuktou:


Local content is good because it gives the rightful owners the opportunity to own and control their wealth. I know comprehension and critical thinking is difficult for you, but the Nigerian government exists to further the interest of the Nigerian people. Nigeria is not a free for all. Just as it would be unwise for you to allow outsiders guzzle up your resources at the expense of your family, it would be the height of foolishness to not have something like a local content bill.

Giving women quota in the workplace or anywhere else that requires merit for entry or advancement is unfair to those who have earned their entry and elevation through merit. The entry and advancement requirements may as well be done away with and all entry and advancement should be based on an arbitrary quota assignment. *smh*

Apples and oranges may both be fruits but they are not they same kind of fruit, sir.

Does local content ignore "merit"? Does it say just any Nigerian company can come and bid for a contract? Does it not specify that competence is required? All these and more can be applied to a quota for women in industries where they are underrepresented. It is you who needs help for comprehension and critical thinking because this simple point continues to elude you.

LordReed:


I think who (in terms of race or nationality) gets the job is irrelevant however I think it wise to protect indigenous companies and workforce.

It is not irrelevant

The local content bill was made to address a wrong situation where indigenes (both male and female) were deprived in their own country to the benefit of foreigners.. from another country

why expose your own citizens to unemployment because u want to please foriegners

LordReed:


Does local content ignore "merit"? Does it say just any Nigerian company can come and bid for a contract? Does it not specify that competence is required? All these and more can be applied to a quota for women in industries where they are underrepresented. It is you who needs help for comprehension and critical thinking because this simple point continues to elude you.

Your spiderman skills are enviable. Stop comparing apples and oranges.

What is under-representation? Who sets the benchmark for under-representation? Is it supposed to be a 50-50 thing, or could it be 60-40? I'm truly confused here. Where's the quota in this whole world for men who are "under-represented" in professions like say Nursing?

If you do not understand that Local Content bill is supposed to secure what rightly belongs to Nigerians to its rightful owners, then I'm afraid we're at an impasse. If you don't understand the analogy of LCB to a household, then I've been wasting my time.

Your inability to think is frightening.