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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 6:58am On Sep 19
gabbytabby:
Most cracks occur after screeding so I would say no.

But for cracks that occur before screding it will cover it initially.

I'm assuming you meant cement screeding ma'am.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bolu1986(m): 7:05am On Sep 19
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 7:17am On Sep 19
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by megacontrol(m): 7:27am On Sep 19
Exactly.

Especially for external screeding. You've really been paying attention

gabbytabby:
Most cracks occur after screeding so I would say no.

But for cracks that occur before screding it will cover it initially.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by megacontrol(m): 7:30am On Sep 19
Yeah, its quite common to see cracks on external walls screeded with black cement.

Makes one wonder if the white cement or your suggested paint + sheen alternative would fare better for external walls in particular?

gbadexy:

I'm assuming you meant cement screeding ma'am.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 7:33am On Sep 19
Stating it unambiguously, anyone can do whatever they wish with their building, opinion of any other person is irrelevant.
But for the purpose of learning from each other, my understanding of the concept of screeding is paying attention to details like many accuse our artisans of not doing to get better finish.
If your plastering is good, you may not do any further surface preparation due to the coat thickness and dull sheen of matte finish.
Which reminds me, I've seen big brands calling premium grade emulsion matte. Technically they are correct since it is matted ( no sheen) but if you must buy matte, confirm it is washable or at least cleanable to be rest assured it is tough to withstand weather for long.
No matter how good your plastering is, it isn't advisable to apply satin or silk on it like that.
While you may do so as it's your prerogative, if you see similar paint application on a screeded wall, you would notice the difference and may rethink your decision with the benefit of hindsight.
Why buy expensive paint and not get a satisfying smooth finish. No matter the quality of the paint, the finish is as good as the quality of the surface it would be applied on.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by megacontrol(m): 7:33am On Sep 19
You've lumped up a lot of stuffs into that long second paragraph. Easy to miss or mix them up.

Pls can you seperate for clarity? Thanks


gbadexy:
Screeding is done to give a smooth and soft layer on a plaster surface and it can be further sandpapered to give a smooth finish that regular cement plaster can't give.
If you don't screed, nothing would happen as long as you aren't using paint with sheen but if you use correct matte with low sheen or silk and you don't screed or at least prime it to smoothen the surface, the reflection of light on the wall surface would highlight the roughness and other faults on the surface.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 7:58am On Sep 19
megacontrol:
Yeah, its quite common to see cracks on external walls screeded with black cement.

Makes one wonder if the white cement or your suggested paint + sheen alternative would fare better for external walls in particular?

Most part of my experience comes from feedback from my painters and screeders who are actually on the field and encounter various challenges.
My main screeder told me he doesn't like working with or building screeded with portland cement ( grey cement).
He said after a couple of years, they tend to peel and fall off. They have tendency to crack also, especially if cheaply done with little p.v.a binder added. If sufficient extra binder is used, it would be better but then how is that much different from the basecoat. Only the filler in basecoat is replaced with little cement as the pop emulsion used to mix it also has basecoat filler.
Cement needs proper hydration and certain thickness and with cement, pop emulsion and whateverbond, it would be applied light and I suspect dry fast without sufficient time to hydrate.
Besides, I've stated it here severally that cement forms a chemical reaction with sand (silica) by gelling them. Both on the block surface and the plaster mix and they don't form any reaction with calcium carbonate in pop emulsion used to mix them. They just act as a further inert filler with the calcium carbonate in such capacity.
It may hydrate itself and harden somewhat but there is little interaction with the pop emulsion used to mix it. The only thing holding it to the wall is the pva bond added and the amount used would determine the strength.
I posted a building that was screeded close to six years before the owner decided to paint it as it was white and looked painted and was used as a reference point in the area ( white house).
Perhaps p.o.p experts and screeders can shed more light to say if they have ever encountered basecoat cracking. It's what oyinbo people use in screeding!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 8:02am On Sep 19
megacontrol:
You've lumped up a lot of stuffs into that long second paragraph. Easy to miss or mix them up.

Pls can you seperate for clarity? Thanks


What I meant basically was that nothing would happen as in the building won't collapse nor would there be any litigation. I was just just responding to the humor of the new slang.
But it would surely come out better if the wall is screeded or primed if anyone intends to use paint with sheen due to their reflection.

White gypsum cement screeding can never crack though, they harden by expanding. The strength of their bonding to wall surface under various condition is another thing entirely.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by megacontrol(m): 8:14am On Sep 19
Good concern you've raised.

While there are many ways to mitigate such effect... what do you reckon is the most practical approach from your experience?
That's without using a roof, thereby maintaining the contemporary appeal of the build.

Will coping the parapet make any difference?
That bland wall definitely has to be prepared to withstand weathering.

Thanks

UC92:

CUBISM
Nice rendering.
I like those Louvre like grill especially the one at the balcony, it will afford some privacy and good shades from sun rays.
What happens in the double volume space with high rise grill?
My worry is the weather effect on your parapet and external walls.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by megacontrol(m): 8:20am On Sep 19
Thanks man for taking your time to break this down further, knowing that you've done so here many times in the past.

I had posted before seeing that you've made a post which addressed some of the points, then you still went ahead to do a follow up even when you didn't have to.

I have to agree that your painters don't just go straight to work but take time to explain why they do what, it's clear to see that comes right from the top.

Much appreciated.

gbadexy:

Most part of my experience comes from feedback from my painters and screeders who are actually on the field and encounter various challenges.
My main screeder told me he doesn't like working with or building screeded with portland cement ( grey cement).
He said after a couple of years, they tend to peel and fall off. They have tendency to crack also, especially if cheaply done with little p.v.a binder added. If sufficient extra binder is used, it would be better but then how is that much different from the basecoat. Only the filler in basecoat is replaced with little cement as the pop emulsion used to mix it also has basecoat filler.
Cement needs proper hydration and certain thickness and with cement, pop emulsion and whateverbond, it would be applied light and I suspect dry fast without sufficient time to hydrate.
Besides, I've stated it here severally that cement forms a chemical reaction with sand (silica) by gelling them. Both on the block surface and the plaster mix and they don't form any reaction with calcium carbonate in pop emulsion used to mix them. They just act as a further inert filler with the calcium carbonate in such capacity.
It may hydrate itself and harden somewhat but there is little interaction with the pop emulsion used to mix it. The only thing holding it to the wall is the pva bond added and the amount used would determine the strength.
I posted a building that was screeded close to six years before the owner decided to paint it as it was white and looked painted and was used as a reference point in the area ( white house).
Perhaps p.o.p experts and screeders can shed more light to say if they have ever encountered basecoat cracking. It's what oyinbo people use in screeding!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 8:27am On Sep 19
gabbytabby:
More like buying what we don't need to impress people who don't care.

Screeding is esthetics and nothing will happen if you don't do it. Those who make money will go into marketing on why its good to do it but that is to be expected na money in their pocket.


Everyone is doing business. Screeding is a good way to hide imperfections but solid plastering is better.

For me, screeding is no different from using excessive putty (body filler) on a brand new car.

If you take time to get a good plastering, there won’t be need for screeding.

_________

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 8:38am On Sep 19
gabbytabby:
Unfortunately, even though I am proud of what Ambode did, what one cannot overlook was the fact that he worked at the level of a commissioner for works instead of the governor.

He had a singleness of purpose that while endearing was also frustrating.


That singleness of purpose which is another name for "deaf ear" was his hubris. A superior or even a junior colleague wey no dey take input (singleness of purpose) can be very frustrating. We see this in building site as well. At the end of the day we will either sack the engineer or artisan. This was what happened to Ambode.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 9:01am On Sep 19
n3xt:


Everyone is doing business. Screeding is a good way to hide imperfections but solid plastering is better.

For me, screeding is no different from using excessive putty (body filler) on a brand new car.

If you take time to get a good plastering, there won’t be need for screeding.

_________


This should not be difficult to understand. The funny part is that some now gunning all out for screeding (needless aesthetic) probably didn't do German floor (structural necessity) where they think they are saving. Screeding is not spending money in the right place.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:06am On Sep 19
diordaves:


This should not be difficult to understand. The funny part is that some now gunning all out for screeding (needless aesthetic) probably didn't do German floor (structural necessity) where they think they are saving. Screeding is not spending money in the right place.

The question is how have we been doing it before now.

One of my client said this during the week “We’ve done range plastering. POP guys have screeded all walls. Painters have done painting. Now decorator come put wallpaper on top everything. Is this not waste of money?” grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:16am On Sep 19
I’ll be cladding a media wall in few days.

The wall has been plastered, screeded and awaiting painting. Then I’ll clad it undecided

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 9:19am On Sep 19
We do most of these sturvs because we don’t know the alternatives are out there.

Would anyone need to screed the fascia on the building below? Kalsiplank was used as a fascia cover instead of doing the conventional timber

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 9:19am On Sep 19
n3xt:


The question is how have we been doing it before now.

One of my client said this during the week “We’ve done range plastering. POP guys have screeded all walls. Painters have done painting. Now decorator come put wallpaper on top everything. Is this not waste of money?” grin

��� This is so so common in the trade. Another one is getting a superb solid wooden door and now paint it over. We do it in the UK sha o. I no go lie. Painting over good quality wooden doors.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Lampert505(m): 9:34am On Sep 19
Hi y’all
I greet everyone that has keep the thread moving and making positive impacts in all nairaland’s life...


My question is,what are the document to be considered when one is buying in a land?

I’m tryna buy a land at the treasurehill park estate ikola, and they said I’m meant to pay the following

“ 50k for Survey
10% of land price for Legal and Documentation fee
And for the developmental fee 500k”


I want to ask if all of this is legal...

Y’all contribution will be forever appreciated
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by folmus: 11:16am On Sep 19
Lampert505:
Hi y’all
I greet everyone that has keep the thread moving and making positive impacts in all nairaland’s life...


My question is,what are the document to be considered when one is buying in a land?

I’m tryna buy a land at the treasurehill park estate ikola, and they said I’m meant to pay the following

“ 50k for Survey
10% of land price for Legal and Documentation fee
And for the developmental fee 500k”


I want to ask if all of this is legal...

Y’all contribution will be forever appreciated

This one be like one chance.

What is the name of the developer?

50k for a survey? in Lagos?

Most developers have a fixed amount for documentation, not 10% of land price.

Shine your EYE WELL WELL
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Bakin3(m): 11:56am On Sep 19
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by UC92: 1:13pm On Sep 19
megacontrol:
Good concern you've raised.

While there are many ways to mitigate such effect... what do you reckon is the most practical approach from your experience?
That's without using a roof, thereby maintaining the contemporary appeal of the build.

Will coping the parapet make any difference?
That bland wall definitely has to be prepared to withstand weathering.

Thanks

How many home owners can afford to run maintenance on their builds once every three years or 1/3 of the entire build every year in this country?

Exposing walls to weather is something Architects and builders should be mindful of. The regular Coping on a parapet doesn't offer much protection to the wall.

For me doing a monopitch roof of about 10-12 degrees with eaves of at least 450mm will help protect the walls while still maintaining the contemporary nature of the design.

Happy Sunday Sir.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Jasobry: 1:24pm On Sep 19
gbadexy:

Most part of my experience comes from feedback from my painters and screeders who are actually on the field and encounter various challenges.
My main screeder told me he doesn't like working with or building screeded with portland cement ( grey cement).
He said after a couple of years, they tend to peel and fall off. They have tendency to crack also, especially if cheaply done with little p.v.a binder added. If sufficient extra binder is used, it would be better but then how is that much different from the basecoat. Only the filler in basecoat is replaced with little cement as the pop emulsion used to mix it also has basecoat filler.
Cement needs proper hydration and certain thickness and with cement, pop emulsion and whateverbond, it would be applied light and I suspect dry fast without sufficient time to hydrate.
Besides, I've stated it here severally that cement forms a chemical reaction with sand (silica) by gelling them. Both on the block surface and the plaster mix and they don't form any reaction with calcium carbonate in pop emulsion used to mix them. They just act as a further inert filler with the calcium carbonate in such capacity.
It may hydrate itself and harden somewhat but there is little interaction with the pop emulsion used to mix it. The only thing holding it to the wall is the pva bond added and the amount used would determine the strength.
I posted a building that was screeded close to six years before the owner decided to paint it as it was white and looked painted and was used as a reference point in the area ( white house).
Perhaps p.o.p experts and screeders can shed more light to say if they have ever encountered basecoat cracking. It's what oyinbo people use in screeding!

I beg to differ, a friend's how was screeded with portland cement since 2013. No defect till date.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 1:31pm On Sep 19
Jasobry:


I beg to differ, a friend's how was screeded with portland cement since 2013. No defect till date.
I didn't say cement screeding is outrightly bad sir. I said it has a tendency to crack, especially when cheaply done with little p.v.a added.
The friend's house was likely screeded with a rich mixture of binder.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KelvinCoaster(m): 1:34pm On Sep 19
gbadexy:

Most part of my experience comes from feedback from my painters and screeders who are actually on the field and encounter various challenges.
My main screeder told me he doesn't like working with or building screeded with portland cement ( grey cement).
He said after a couple of years, they tend to peel and fall off. They have tendency to crack also, especially if cheaply done with little p.v.a binder added. If sufficient extra binder is used, it would be better but then how is that much different from the basecoat. Only the filler in basecoat is replaced with little cement as the pop emulsion used to mix it also has basecoat filler.
Cement needs proper hydration and certain thickness and with cement, pop emulsion and whateverbond, it would be applied light and I suspect dry fast without sufficient time to hydrate.
Besides, I've stated it here severally that cement forms a chemical reaction with sand (silica) by gelling them. Both on the block surface and the plaster mix and they don't form any reaction with calcium carbonate in pop emulsion used to mix them. They just act as a further inert filler with the calcium carbonate in such capacity.
It may hydrate itself and harden somewhat but there is little interaction with the pop emulsion used to mix it. The only thing holding it to the wall is the pva bond added and the amount used would determine the strength.
I posted a building that was screeded close to six years before the owner decided to paint it as it was white and looked painted and was used as a reference point in the area ( white house).
Perhaps p.o.p experts and screeders can shed more light to say if they have ever encountered basecoat cracking. It's what oyinbo people use in screeding!
Well-done gbadexy!
I just learnt something new today from your explanation.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by luvablesam(m): 2:09pm On Sep 19
Hello, Please I will be needing everyone's opinion on this;

I have this small space I created for kids, I don't wanna install tiles now on the floor(money issues).

What are the cheaper options to tiling apart from just cementing the floor?

I need help. Thanks

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by topsy23: 3:00pm On Sep 19
somehow:


Do you have the full details sir

I need your mail address for the detail quote
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 4:35pm On Sep 19
Jasobry:


I beg to differ, a friend's how was screeded with portland cement since 2013. No defect till date.

The mix matters a lot.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 4:38pm On Sep 19
luvablesam:
Hello, Please I will be needing everyone's opinion on this;

I have this small space I created for kids, I don't wanna install tiles now on the floor(money issues).

What are the cheaper options to tiling apart from just cementing the floor?

I need help. Thanks

Buy cheap rug or carpet.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by somehow: 4:46pm On Sep 19
topsy23:


I need your mail address for the detail quote
support@gritymarket.com
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KelvinCoaster(m): 5:24pm On Sep 19
luvablesam:
Hello, Please I will be needing everyone's opinion on this;

I have this small space I created for kids, I don't wanna install tiles now on the floor(money issues).

What are the cheaper options to tiling apart from just cementing the floor?

I need help. Thanks
I suggest you buy cheap synthetic turf.
This should be safe for children to play on.
My opinion!
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by diordaves(m): 5:33pm On Sep 19
luvablesam:
Hello, Please I will be needing everyone's opinion on this;

I have this small space I created for kids, I don't wanna install tiles now on the floor(money issues).

What are the cheaper options to tiling apart from just cementing the floor?

I need help. Thanks

Is the space internal or external?

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