johnw47:


no can do, i'm spending my little time online at the moment with reverad satanists
God bless

brocab:
Is that the Ashley S Palmer story?

johnw47:


haven't heard of that, by the way i'm posting as johnw47 now, the johnw74 account stopped working on my computer for some reason,
it still works with smart phone but i prefer to go online with my computer

johnw47:
" and death and hell were casted into the Lake Of Fire" - Rev 20:14

it's very simple, "hell" is clearly referring to the grave
death and the grave being cast into the Lake of Fire means there will be no more death or grave

death and grave cannot be literally cast into the LoF,

the next verse however is literal:
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Jozzy4:


Hell is grave Lol . nice .

The Bold explains what happen to everything thrown into the lake of fire.

Jozzy4:


Hell is grave Lol . nice .

The Bold explains what happen to everything thrown into the lake of fire.

Jozzy4:


Hell is grave Lol . nice .

The Bold explains what happen to everything thrown into the lake of fire.

Jozzy4:


Hell is grave Lol . nice .

The Bold explains what happen to everything thrown into the lake of fire.

Jozzy4:
Anas09 ran away

Jozzy4:




" Beloved ones, do not belive every inspired expresion, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many False Prophet have gone forth into the world" - 1 John 4:1

Where is that nonsense @bold in the bible?

johnw47:



so hell-hades in discussed verse is grave
however hell-geenna is LoF, it is also a valley in Jerusalem

hell
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γέεννα
geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.
Total KJV occurrences: 12

see that the punishment in hell is everlasting, what do you think that means jozz?


hell-grave-hades:
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

hell-LoF-geenna:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

johnw47:


of course hell in that verse is referring to the grave, oh duh one
death and grave being thrown into the lake of fire means there will be death and grave no more
you cannot literally throw death and grave anywhere

but when you are literally thrown into the LoF jozz, means you will be burnt up and be no more also, oh duh jozz


Pro_13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.


ok i'm back brocab

johnw47:


from you? you must be deluded

Jozzy4:
@ Anas09 , thanks for your input

But I pick another translation and see HADES , are you saying the King James Version is wrong for rendering hades as hell ?

And pls my second question is : what is Hade's ?

Jozzy4:

Very fine @ blue .
Truth will always prevail .

Anas09:

Jozzy4, You and i know that the Bible was translated from the original languages which it was written, being Greek, Hebrew and Latin. So, if we are to understand Words or terms used [within contexts] in the translated versions what we should do is go back to the original language and begin looking at their meaning from there. (OT-Hebrew, NT Greek and Latin), this is the only way we can know for sure what the terms mean.

Now, Hades and Sheol are used interchangeably to mean the same thing but sometimes, sheol is used to mean the literal 6feet grave which all humans gets buried into after death. Hades is a Greek word which means a location in the realm of the Spirit and it is used several times to describe the World of the dead, the abode of the dead, the nether world, the world of the departed Spirits, all these as used by different translations as in Isaiah 38:18, Isa 28:15, Ps 16:10. Isa 14:9 &10 Job 10:21, Eccl 9:10 and many more.

Jehovah's Witnesses refuses to call this term 'The world of the dead, but prefer 'Gehenna (which still means the world of the dead anyways), because if they do, their doctrine of 'No life after death will be in question.
Read these scriptures from other translations and you'd see for yourself.

The same term is used all over the New Testament mostly by the Lord Jesus Himself.

Hellfire which burns with brimestone is mentioned only once in the Bible and in Revelation, 'The Lake of Fire', Rev. 20:14.

Hades according to the Lord Jesus is where Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man are, and also the dead saints who resurrected after the Earth quake at Jesus' death and walked in Jerusalem.

Hades by what the Master said is a location with 2 compartment, the part where the sinners wait for resurrection has torment by fire and the part where the saints wait doesn't. According to the Master, both the dead Saints and Sinners can see themselves but can not cross over to either sides.

Hades is where the Lord Jesus went while lying dead on the Tomb for 3days.

Hades is where Peter talked about in 1Peter 3: 18-20

Good News Translation
For Christ died for sins once and for all, a good man on behalf of sinners, in order to lead you to God.
He was put to death physically, but made alive spiritually, and in his spiritual existence he went and preached to the imprisoned spirits. [In the world of the dead]

These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat.

I'm waiting for you to tell me that the Story of Lazarus and the Rich man is an Allegory, then you'd have to tell me if there was ever a man by name Abraham.

Blackfire:




Chai...

I fear You.

Riofidelio:
No! You didn't get it right, hell smaller size went to HELL bigger size because the fire in the smaller one isn't as intense as the bigger one,that is why the bigger one could contain Death and Satan and Demons and the smaller hell altogether. Please give me a round of applause. Mumuscious people, when we're telling them that God's Spirit to interpret sacred secrets is given to someone people who will explain to others they'll say "no" everybody wants to explain what has been revealed only to those the whom Holy Spirit deals. Please ask them to explain what "Babylon the Great" called the harlot,"Wild beast" having seven heads and ten horns,"Water" that the dragon vomits from it's mouth and the "Earth" that came to rescue the woman all means. Revelation 17:5,7 12:15,17

Anas09:

Jozzy4, You and i know that the Bible was translated from the original languages which it was written, being Greek, Hebrew and Latin. So, if we are to understand Words or terms used [within contexts] in the translated versions what we should do is go back to the original language and begin looking at their meaning from there. (OT-Hebrew, NT Greek and Latin), this is the only way we can know for sure what the terms mean.

Now, Hades and Sheol are used interchangeably to mean the same thing but sometimes, sheol is used to mean the literal 6feet grave which all humans gets buried into after death. Hades is a Greek word which means a location in the realm of the Spirit and it is used several times to describe the World of the dead, the abode of the dead, the nether world, the world of the departed Spirits, all these as used by different translations as in Isaiah 38:18, Isa 28:15, Ps 16:10. Isa 14:9 &10 Job 10:21, Eccl 9:10 and many more.

Jehovah's Witnesses refuses to call this term 'The world of the dead, but prefer 'Gehenna (which still means the world of the dead anyways), because if they do, their doctrine of 'No life after death will be in question.
Read these scriptures from other translations and you'd see for yourself.

The same term is used all over the New Testament mostly by the Lord Jesus Himself.

Hellfire which burns with brimestone is mentioned only once in the Bible and in Revelation, 'The Lake of Fire', Rev. 20:14.

Hades according to the Lord Jesus is where Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man are, and also the dead saints who resurrected after the Earth quake at Jesus' death and walked in Jerusalem.



Hades by what the Master said is a location with 2 compartment, the part where the sinners wait for resurrection has torment by fire and the part where the saints wait doesn't. According to the Master, both the dead Saints and Sinners can see themselves but can not cross over to either sides.

Hades is where the Lord Jesus went while lying dead on the Tomb for 3days.

Hades is where Peter talked about in 1Peter 3: 18-20

Good News Translation
For Christ died for sins once and for all, a good man on behalf of sinners, in order to lead you to God.
He was put to death physically, but made alive spiritually, and in his spiritual existence he went and preached to the imprisoned spirits. [In the world of the dead]

These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat.

I'm waiting for you to tell me that the Story of Lazarus and the Rich man is an Allegory, then you'd have to tell me if there was ever a man by name Abraham.

johnw47:


of course hell in that verse is referring to the grave, oh duh one
death and grave being thrown into the lake of fire means there will be death and grave no more
you cannot literally throw death and grave anywhere

but when you are literally thrown into the LoF jozz, means you will be burnt up and be no more also, oh duh jozz


Pro_13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.


ok i'm back brocab

Anas09:

My dearest, most people depend only on the written word of God, [Logos or the letter of the word], but the spirit of the Word eludes them.

To the Jehovah's witnesses, whatever they need the Holy Spirit to interpret becomes Allegory.

There is no Christianity without the Holy Spirit.

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm every religious group "including Jehovah's witnesses" are claiming the Holy Spirit is guiding them during the interpretation of the word of God yet there is contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so in that aspect all religious groups are even. So what's the evidence of God's Holy Spirit? It's the wisdom afterwards! Let's consider on a grand scale the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of their interpretation in the face of lasting benefits in the case of those adhering to such interpretations. That's the ONLY you can prove that God's Holy Spirit is truly guiding a religious group!

brocab:
This is why we know the Holy Spirit doesn't guild the JW's, only because you don't bring bible truth to us..
By their we will know them, and sadly we know you, and what doctrine you bring to our doors, and sadly it isn't the Word of God as we know it,
you bring in the watchtower literature, again this has nothing to do with the Word of God.
Holy Spirit filled believers, stick by the Word of God, they teach it, they live by it, and they rely on it, they don't change it, nor do they add to it, they believe it. "Just like the Spirit of God does!

Riofidelio:
Hmmmmmmmmm every religious group "including Jehovah's witnesses" are claiming the Holy Spirit is guiding them during the interpretation of the word of God yet there is contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so in that aspect all religious groups are even. So what's the evidence of God's Holy Spirit? It's the wisdom afterwards! Let's consider on a grand scale the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of their interpretation in the face of lasting benefits in the case of those adhering to such interpretations. That's the ONLY you can prove that God's Holy Spirit is truly guiding a religious group!

Riofidelio:
Observers are noticing the effectiveness of different interpretations on the attitude,lifestyle and how fine those adhering to such interpretations are doing in the neighborhood. So anyone can say "i've got the Holy Spirit" and "you don't have the Holy Spirit". But Glory to Jehovah in the highest because "wisdom is justified by her children" says a wise teacher! Luke 7:35

Anas09:

What do you mean by 'Practical Application?', and, did the JW tell you they depend on the Holy Spirit for rhema?

Riofidelio:
The Bible was written under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit, most story lines are easy to grasp but the useful lessons for readers to put what they're reading into political use needs the intervention of the Holy Spirit. That's why you're seeing most people carrying the Bible today misbehaving (including those who claims to be teachers of the word) because they're carrying the Bible for selfish purposes so they can't grasp the practical applications thereof. Knowledge has been defined as the accumulation of useful information but Wisdom is the practical applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits, so while knowledge is accessible to all Wisdom is granted to FEW and it's those few that everyone needs to IDENTIFY in order to benefit themselves!

Jozzy4:


Very fine @ blue .

Truth will always prevail .