God works in mysterious ways. Just watch here

huxley:

God works in mysterious ways. Just watch here

nothing new people do this all the time. . . .

mazaje:

nothing new people do this all the time. . . .

Yes, I know. The reason I posted it is because it shows that, much as Christian would loathe to be informed, they "suffer" from the self-same "ills" the the rest of "ordinary folks" have to deal with. They are no less prone to porn, divorce, diseases, corruption, etc, etc. That said, what then are the earthly "benefits" of being a christian when they have the same issues that non-christians face too? Has their god failed them?

huxley:


Yes, I know. The reason I posted it is because it shows that, much as Christian would loathe to be informed, they "suffer" from the self-same "ills" the the rest of "ordinary folks" have to deal with. They are no less prone to porn, divorce, diseases, corruption, etc, etc. That said, what then are the earthly "benefits" of being a christian when they have the same issues that non-christians face too?

Christianity involves living a Christ-like life, simply by choice.

what a professed "christians" chooses to do or not to do, should and does not define christianity. using the ills of "christians" to describe Christianity is very unobjective.

Has their god failed them?

has ur "free thinking" failed u?

noetic:

Christianity involves living a Christ-like life, simply by choice.

what a professed "christians" chooses to do or not to do, should and does not define christianity. using the ills of "christians" to describe Christianity is very unobjective.

what is christ like. . .i bet walking on water and healing of amputees is also christ like isn't it. . .even jesus said that those who believe in him will do greater things than him. . .why has no christian ever walked on water or healed an amputee and made his amputated limbs grow back? i have never seen any christian curse a fig tree and it dried up immediately. . . neither have i seen any christian being raised from the dead after 3 days. . . did jesus lie when he said that people that believe in him will do greater things than him?

has ur "free thinking" failed u? 

does free thinking promise healing from any form of sickness?  . . . .  the bible clearly and strongly tells christians to go to their church elders to pray for them and anoint them with oil when ever they are sick so that they will be healed. . .why do christians not abide by that spiritual injunction? why do christians go to the hospital when ever they fall sick and discard the injunctions of the bible? is it because the biblical injunctions are false?

mazaje:

what is christ like. . .i bet walking on water and healing of amputees is also christ like isn't it. . .even jesus said that those who believe in him will do greater things than him. . .why has no christian ever walked on water

I am sure u read in the bible that peter WALKED on the sea with Jesus, until his fear failed him.

or healed an amputee and made his amputated limbs grow back?

are u limiting God's ability from the scope medicine. If an amputee can be medically healed, its not exempt from GOD's grace.
however, if u search truthfully u would hear of greater and mightier things been done in JESUS name.

i have never seen any christian curse a fig tree and it dried up immediately. . .

I have seen biblical curses afflict a man.

neither have i seen any christian being raised from the dead after 3 days. . .

u must be living in secluded areas. On nairaland here, a post was made about the pioneer GO of RCCG raising from the dead. There are countless million others.

did jesus lie when he said that people that believe in him will do greater things than him?

of course not. I have seen, witnessed and heard of great and mighty things that could only have come by the power of HIS might.
why would he lie anyway?

does free thinking promise healing from any form of sickness?  . . . . 

no it doesnt, but it tends to thrive on anti-biblical injunctions alone, thereby negating the literal meanings of the term "free-thinking".
why should a free thinker do what non-free thinkers do?
why should a free thinker walk on his feet? wear a wrist watch on his hand and not his leg? wear a shirt or even a trouser or clothes?
why should a free thinker eat with his mouth, why not with his anus?

free thinking is simply a foolish man's way of disproving what he cannot reasonably disprove. just a conflagration of lies to claim that GOD does not exist.
free-thinking gave birth to evolution which cannot tell us the very first organisms that started the evolution process.

free thinking enabled scientist to tell lies about the origin of life. yet they cant state the very first complex chemical reaction that kick-started life. or tell us the simpler reactions that made this reaction, the catalyst and other things.

free thinking enabled u, mazaje, to protagonate another lie called "naturalism", which u defined as "what I see every day and every time"
u havent told me what EXACTLY I see every day and every time? ur definition was a joke, right?

free thinking has only given birth to things NOT OF GOD. my bible calls them "OF THE DEVIL" and they have already received judgement.

the bible clearly and strongly tells christians to go to their church elders to pray for them and anoint them with oil when ever they are sick so that they will be healed. . .why do christians not abide by that spiritual injunction? why do christians go to the hospital when ever they fall sick and discard the injunctions of the bible? is it because the biblical injunctions are false?   

ur postulation is based on the assumption that medicine is against Godly instructions. or that they are opposite.

that's not the case. Christians go to hospitals cos it is commonsensical to do so, and it is not against biblical injunctions.
when cases defy medical solution, Jehovah has always been faithful.

noetic:

I am sure u read in the bible that peter WALKED on the sea with Jesus, until his fear failed him.

who the hell is peter? what do you know about him apart from the very little that was written about him in the bible? this is ridiculous. . . jesus was telling ALL(including you) those who believe in him that they will do greater things than he did. . . .i know for a fact that you can never walk on water. . .  if you like swallow the bible but you sure can't. . . .

are u limiting God's ability from the scope medicine. If an amputee can be medically healed, its not exempt from GOD's grace.
however, if u search truthfully u would hear of greater and mightier things been done in JESUS name.

, we hear about christian claims of their pastors raising the dead, healing people of various disease in crusades and churches. . . if god can raise the dead in a church or a christian crusade i bet he should be able to heal an amputee that goes there looking for healing or regenaration of his amputated limbs. . . why is it that god is never able to do clear cut miracles like healing and amputee and making his amputated limbs grow back? why is it that god only does hidden and questionable miracles like healing people of headache, heart diseases, cancer but never healing a blind person whose eye balls have been removed? why are all the so called miracles never clear cut but always hidden. . .?

I have seen biblical curses afflict a man.

just like i have also seen koranic curses afflict a man too. . . allahu akbar

u must be living in secluded areas. On nairaland here, a post was made about the pioneer GO of RCCG raising from the dead. There are countless million others.

sure he not only was able to raise a person from the dead but he was also able to travel for more than 300km on an empty tank and make an adult person grow taller. . .why is it that such tales and stories only emanate from africa? why dont we hear of pastors travelling for more than 300km on an empty thank in the developed world or turning the weather from a cold winter night to a warm summer night all of a sudden like GO adeboye claimed he was able to do in europe? is it because africans christians are more gullible and and more liable to swallow any thing thrown at them without questioning them unlike the christains in the developed world? if daddy GO can drive for more than 300km on an empty tank i bet he should be able to heal an amputee. . .

of course not. I have seen, witnessed and heard of great and mighty things that could only have come by the power of HIS might.
why would he lie anyway?

jesus said that any body that believes in him will do greater things than he did. . . i don't even want any body to do anything greater than what they said he did i just want to see a modern day christian walk on water. . . or do modern day christian believe in somebody else apart from jesus? what is it that you have seen, witnessed and heard that atheist, moslems, hindus, buddist and all those that do not believe in jesus have not also seen, witnessed, and heard? moslems have also seen the very mighty works of allah in their lives too. . . personal experinces do not count at all because over zealous people that want to convert others to their faiths usually make up stories. . . i know a guy that felt sick in london back in 2007, he went back to nigeria and due to the very poor standard and low level of medical practice and delivery that is obtainable in nigeria the doctors could not diagnose what was actually wrong with him on time. . . it was later discovered that he had cancer, but he refused to accept the fact that he had cancer because he believes that his almighty and loving "heavenly father" will never allow him to have cancer. when his situation got worse he was taken to christ embassy healing school in lagos, the guy claimed that he was completely healed and stopped taken the little drugs that the doctors had prescribed. . . .the guy came back did a special thanks giving in the CE church in jos which i was forced to attend by my aunt for one reason or the other. two months later the guy died of the same cancer that has been afflicting him. . .so personal experiences do not count. . . .  moslems, hindus, buddist all have personal experinces of how good and mighty their gods are. . . people are known to be over zealous and make up stories in other to convert others or just for the sake of attracting other peoples attention unto themselves. . . .

noetic:


no it doesnt, but it tends to thrive on anti-biblical injunctions alone, thereby negating the literal meanings of the term "free-thinking".
why should a free thinker do what non-free thinkers do?
why should a free thinker walk on his feet? wear a wrist watch on his hand and not his leg? wear a shirt or even a trouser or clothes?
why should a free thinker eat with his mouth, why not with his anus?

you speak like an uneducated person i must say(no insult meant). . . . what is this drivel you have written here? . . . . .what does the word free thinking mean to you? what is the name of a person that does not believe in gods?

free thinking is simply a foolish man's way of disproving what he cannot reasonably disprove. just a conflagration of lies to claim that GOD does not exist.
free-thinking gave birth to evolution which cannot tell us the very first organisms that started the evolution process.

does any person need reasonable reason to disprove god? the fact that there are many gods out there is enough to disprove all of them. . . .you spend too much time attacking evolution you are yet to tell us why we should accept creationism as written in the bible. . . even christians can not even agree on it themselves talk less of others. . . what are your evidence for creationism as recorded in the bible? instead of attacking evolution i want you to give your own scientific evidence in support of the  2 different biblcial creation accounts in genesis 1 and 2.

free thinking enabled scientist to tell lies about the origin of life. yet they cant state the very first complex chemical reaction that kick-started life. or tell us the simpler reactions that made this reaction, the catalyst and other things.

did the bible tell you the complex chemical reaction that kick-started life? you are just grasping at straw man here. . . .

free thinking enabled u, mazaje, to protagonate another lie called "naturalism", which u defined as "what I see every day and every time" 
u havent told me what EXACTLY I see every day and every time?    ur definition was a joke, right? 

you see the earth going round the sun at least not the other way round. . . you don't see the sun moving from place to place as the bible says it does. . . you don't see diseases being caused by demons or spirits as the bible says. . .you see disease being caused by unintelligible micro orgasms. . .and you don't see demons and satan working all over the place do you? the fact that you believe in those imaginary beings does not mean that they go from place to place causing havoc. . .

free thinking has only given birth to things NOT OF GOD. my bible calls them "OF THE DEVIL" and they have already received judgement.

have you ever seen the devil? how does he look like and what language does he speak? the devil only exist in you imaginations. . . . .

ur postulation is based on the assumption that medicine is against Godly instructions. or that they are opposite.

sure the biblegod does not want people going to doctors, there is a place in the old testament where he got angry with a guy because he did not seek his healing but that of the local doctors. . .the injunction was for sick people to go to the church elders. . . if the bible god wanted people to go to the hospital he would have said so. . . .i thought the bible was the living manual for christains? it was a forceful injunction sick christians are told to go to the church elders for healing when ever they are sick. . . many have tried it and ended up dead. . . . it is a complete failure. . . . .

that's not the case. Christians go to hospitals cos it is commonsensical to do so, and it is not against biblical injunctions.
when cases defy medical solution, Jehovah has always been faithful.

does jehovah have to wait for cases to defy medical solutions before he acts despite telling people not to go to the hospitals but the church elders. . . .if christains know that jehovah will cure them why go to the hospital in the first place? . . .

i will leave you with this little conversation. . .it best explains the absolute nonsense that you have been saying. . . .

Norm: Does God answer your prayers?

Chris: Yes, of course. I have a strong personal relationship with God. I pray to him many times each day. Jesus hears my prayers and, through his grace and the grace of the Holy Spirit, my prayers are answered. I am blessed every day by God.

Norm: So if you prayed to Jesus for something, would he answer your prayer?

Chris: Yes. Of course. Jesus promises in the Bible that he answers prayers. We see prayers being answered constantly.

Norm: Why pay for health insurance if you can pray and God will cure you? Why do people need doctors, prescriptions and hospitals?

Chris: Sometimes it is not God's will to answer prayers.

Norm: But in John 14:14, Jesus says, "If you ask anything in my name, I will do it." James 5:15 says, "The prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well." Why would God ignore your prayers?

Chris: God is not some Santa in the sky. He does not answer prayers like that.

Norm: Didn't you just say that God answers prayers? In the Bible, doesn't Jesus promise to answer prayers?

Chris: God does answer prayers. I can show you millions of examples of God answering prayers. I have 20 books on my shelf at home filled with answered prayers.

Norm: Then why do you need health insurance?

Chris: Because, sometimes, it is not God's will to answer a prayer.

Norm: Why do you say that? "The prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well" is completely unambiguous. But when you pray for a cure, in a lot of cases nothing happens. Doesn't that mean that Jesus is lying?

Chris: No. Jesus is perfect so Jesus cannot lie. When God does not answer a prayer, it is not part of his plan.

Norm: So you go to the doctor anyway?

Chris: Yes. Of course I do.

Norm: Aren't you defying God's will? Aren't you ruining God's plan?

Chris: No. God does not intend for me to be sick.

Norm: Then why doesn't God answer your prayers and cure you himself?

Chris: There is no way that we can understand the mysteries of our Lord

this best explain the nonsense you have been saying since. . . .  .

Mazaje, Mazaje,Mazaje,