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Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by agadez007(m): 1:56pm On Jun 24, 2017 |
@O.p,correct yourself Jesu Is not a yoruba word,it is how almost all Tribes in Africa calls Jesus,even Igbos say Jesu also 3 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Mphumalanga: 6:24pm On Jun 24, 2017 |
agadez007: Igbos mostly say Jesus. I have attended their catholic chapels. Edos say Ijesu Yorubas say Jesu. 3 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by RedboneSmith(m): 8:00pm On Jun 24, 2017 |
Mphumalanga: Igbo Catholics say 'Jeeso'. They write it as 'Jesu', but pronounce it as 'Jeeso'. The 'chapels' you attended must have been English-speaking ones. 3 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by agadez007(m): 8:03pm On Jun 24, 2017 |
Mphumalanga:Agreed,but In Igbo Bible jesu is what they Used pronouced as "Jeso" |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Mphumalanga: 8:38pm On Jun 24, 2017 |
RedboneSmith: Yes, Igbos say Jesso, but you will have to agree with me that Igbos use the English form sometimes, whereas the Yorubas don't Take for example, If something terrible happens, you can hear an Igbo shouting "Obara Jesus"! , but you won't hear a Yoruba saying "Eje Jesus", they simply scream Eje Jeesuuuu or Jeeeesu, Lmao. Mind you, the chapel spoke igbo but surprisingly leaves Jesus unchanged from the English version whereas everything else was in Igbo. Anyway, wetin I know. Btw, where can someone get an Urhobo bible? 3 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by ehikwe22: 7:19pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
pazienza:Did you just say unprecedented in the history of human for a people to completely (wasn't completely) discard their language without the use of force? Did you write that out of ignorance or out of cheer mischief? Are you for real? What evidences of a dead language do they usually have? What exactly do you mean by that? And how are you expecting a dead language if the original language is still in existence and being used by a neighboring group? Isn't it the way it is with the Bayelsa and Rivers group that were originally Ijoid but now greatly Igboid? And for your third point, you sound so unintelligent to expect everything to work the same in all circumstances. What a straight line way of thinking. 1 Like |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by pazienza(m): 8:07pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
ehikwe22: Are you roaming? Show me examples in history where people completely discarded their indigenous language for those of their neighbors they abhor, simply because of inter trading? Esan migrated from Bini and we can see that in a corrupted version of Bini language they now speak and call Esan language. How exactly did Ika Bini language degenerate into a full blown Igboid language when they still share boundary with Bini people? Odiani have a dead( dying) Yoruboid language to prove their Yoruboid origin, despite being surrounded entirely by Enu ani speakers and with no boundary contact with any Yoruba speaking people for centuries now. No Bayelsa or Rivers group that were Previously Ijoid are Igboid today, get your facts right. Even Opobo and Bonny have a dead(dying) Ijoid language called Ibani. You and your band of Ika Bini wannabes are the unintelligent ones that have been insulting our intelligence with silly unfounded irrational origin stories. The shame is on you lot. 5 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by fratermathy(m): 8:38pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
pazienza: You have a very valid point but then again, if Opobo and Bonny people are losing their language now (even though vestiges of the original Ijaw language remains), what's to say these so-called Edo-derived Igboid groups didn't lose theirs over time? After all, many of them claim to have elements of Edo in their language. 1 Like |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by pazienza(m): 8:53pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
fratermathy: Ibani still exists as a second language in Bonny and Opobo. All inter trading will cause is bilingualism, especially when there is no colonial power at play. Idoma communities at Enugu/Ebonyi - Benue border are bilingual in Idoma and Igbo language, likewise those Enugu/Ebonyi neighbors of the Idomas Who are also bilingual in Igbo and Idoma to ease trade between the two groups. Stop supporting irrationality, how can Ika just a stone throw to Bini, and who had shown nothing but hate to Igbo tag throw away their Bini language for an Igbo one when right in the same Ika, the real Edo migrants amongst them, called Oza nogogo people continue to speak an Edoids language as their first language even unto this day, while they speak Igboid language as a second language. Even Urhobo and Isoko that migrated from Bini and had lost territorial contact with Bini still speak an Edoid language till today. Please stop being mischievous in your support of irrationality, any rational mind can see the lies inherent in a Bini loving, and Igbophobic Ika, that threw away their Edoid language for an Igboid one. Worst still, Ika had never been in the same political space with SE Igbos since 1914, they had always been with Edos. 5 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by fratermathy(m): 9:47pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
pazienza: I am not supporting anything. Just wanted us to debate the issue a little bit but you've made a stronger argument here so I rest my case. 1 Like |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Cire80: 10:21pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
pazienza:what does bilingualism lead to? Do you think all these happen in a century? If you think a language like Igbo needs to be political affiliation with any lesser group to displace their language, then you need to have your head checked. BTW, only dishonest Ikas attribute everything to trade or missionaries activities. The relationship is more than just that. But not anywhere close to what you've been postulating. |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by pazienza(m): 10:57pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
Cire80: Lol! How in hell did an Igbophobic Ika that is Edophilic, and immediate neighbors of Binis, end up speaking Igboid language (language of a people they obviously don't want to identify with and don't love) in place of their supposedly previous Edoid language. Igbos also traded with Igalas, Idomas, Ogonis, Ibibio, Annang, Efiks, Ekoids, all it resulted was in bilingualism at the border communities of those groups with Igbos. This is the challenge before you Edophilic Ikas. This is the true test of your rationality, and so far, you have failed and continue to fail to produce a rational answer to that question. The Shame will forever be on you lots. 5 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Cire80: 11:21pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
Languages go extinct. Language shift occurs and it doesn't necessarily require any specific process to occur. Only a fool think that what happens to A must replicate itself exactly in B. If you agree that Ozanogogo is of Edo origin simply because they still retained their Edo language but argue that other parts of Agbor is not of Edo origin because Agbor lost their original tongue shows how ignorant you are about Ozanogogo history Do not sound like you are an authority in a subject you know nothing about. Let me school you a little. Agbor has 11 villages but out of these 11, 6 were Ika speaking and 5 Edo speaking within the last century. But come to Agbor today, only one village is truly Edo speaking and the remaining 4 Edoid speakers are fastly turning Ika speakers to a high extent. Also go to the Odiani people of Aniocha. There were originally 5 or 6 Odiani clans but today only Ogbodu group is truly Olukumi speaking. We all know the efforts they are putting into protecting their language. Another clan that also retained their language is Ukun Nzor but not as much as the Ugbodu guys. The rest have lost their languages to a very high extent. So according to your anology, these recently Edoid speaking villages (Alelihan, Alison etc) in Agbor are originally Igbo speaking like the other 6 Ika speaking villages (though theres no Igbo speaking village in Agbor) because they lost their Edoid tongue? And the those Odiani clans that lost their Igala and Olukumi languages are originally Igbo speaking because they lost their languages, and their counterpart Odiani clans are the originally Olukumi/Igala speaking? So what happens tomorrow if Ozanogogo, Ugbodu and Uku Nzun loses their language? You will say they are originally Igbo speaking? Or you will agree that they are orinally Olukumi/Igala speaking because you witnessed the language switch? If you only believe what you witnessed, you don't have business commenting on a historical thread. Within the last couple of decades, Ika has lost tons of Edo words in our language. Igbo is fastly displacing the Edo /Ika words. Language switch takes centuries to occur. It happens to different groups at different points in history. Only a fool expects anything to be uniformed. They start by bilingualism before complete switching. Igbo is a majority language just like Hausa. Go to the North and see what Hausa language is doing to Northern languages. Lots of the languages have gone extinct and some only exists as second language or among the the elders. But the good thing is, these people still retained their cultures just like we in Ika. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Cire80: 11:31pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
pazienza:Ikas are Edophilic? What an ignorant fool you are. Ikas only protect their history from foolish Igbos that are consciously trying to foist themselves in everybody's history. Very shameless set of people. We are now igbophobic because we don't allow you guys to fabricate our history? Why are you guys so shameless? 2 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by pazienza(m): 11:45pm On Jun 26, 2017 |
Cire80: 1. Language shift happen, yes! But no such language shift happened in Ika, we all know this, why, because no factor to cause such language shift exists in Igbo people, this can be seen in all the non Igbo groups surrounding Igbos that retained all their indigenous language and only became bilingual. Ika that is miles away from SE and directly contagious with Bini by land, can't lose its Bini language to Igbo language. No logic or rationality supports this. Every one conversant with Agbor history know that Oza people were recent Edo migrants to the part of Agbor they occupy and are customary tenants to Ikas of Agbor. The rest of Oza people are in Edo state, and they still speak Edoid first language while the rest of Ika is in Edo state and they still speak IGBOID and not Edoid language there, despite centuries of existing under Bini dominion. You school no one, I'm conversant with Agbor history, they were all Igboid speaking since antiquity, even the so called Edo migrated ones. Olukumi people only became bilingual in Igbo and Olukumi. Their Olukumi though dying, still survive till today, despite being completely surrounded by Enu ani speakers,and their land very far away from the nearest Yoruba community in Ondo, yet you want us to believe that Ika that share land boundary with Binis lost their Edoid language entirely with no iota of bilingualism in Edoid and Igboid languages. Do you see how irrational you sound? You lots are pathetic. 3 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Cire80: 12:00am On Jun 27, 2017 |
pazienza:I'm done with you if you only pick points to respond. And your responses are always filled with lies and ignorance. Your comments have shown that You don't know any single thing about Agbor history apart from those you learnt on Nairaland. You know that Oza are recent migrants but don't know when they arrived? If truly they are recent migrants, isn't that enough reason they are recently getting affected? And you ignored my comment about some of the other recently Edoid group that only switched within the last century. I have so many things to ask you but I already decided to ignore you and your ignorance. 6 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by pazienza(m): 12:05am On Jun 27, 2017 |
Cire80: Lol! Getting frustrated already? Well that's what happens when you have no rational points to present. Keep roaming. The shame is on you lots. 3 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Cire80: 12:13am On Jun 27, 2017 |
pazienza:your ignorance is frustrating. Some jobless people would have time for your likes but not me. I would have continued if you responded to my points but you mischievously ignored them. 3 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Cire80: 12:16am On Jun 27, 2017 |
Any truthful soul here knows that you deliberately ignored my questions that were bigger than you. Don't argue with your likes. 2 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by kpaminose: 7:52pm On Jun 27, 2017 |
fratermathy:You still think he's made a stronger argument here? 1 Like |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by fratermathy(m): 9:16pm On Jun 27, 2017 |
kpaminose: A stronger argument doesn't mean he's right. I conceded because I really don't know much about Ika history for me to prove any point. |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by ehikwe22: 12:06am On Jun 28, 2017 |
fratermathy:The truth is Ikas ethnicity is not up for debate. We know who we are. We know our history and our origin. He's been peddling lies and basing everything on language as if Ika is basically Igbo. 3 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by laudate: 1:47pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
Cire80:Ol' boy e don do abeg, I no wan laugh again today.... nothing wey person no go see for NL! |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by laudate: 1:50pm On Jun 30, 2017 |
ehikwe22: Cire80: Chimo!! This is known as finishing of the highest order! |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by fero007: 8:49pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
as an urhobo boy I would like to correct; in urhobo, head-uyovwi not olori, beans-esan nt ewa,king-ovie not oba , however to put more urhobo/igbo words ugo- eagle, okoro-man,eki- market, ejobi,okere(name of an urhobo kingdom). urhobo use omo and umu(Yoruba and Igbo) for child as ,omonigho and umukoro, there are also Bini,isan,Hausa,Ijaw, and Portuguese words in urhobo |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Nobody: 6:45pm On Apr 21, 2018 |
Hi peeps.. I haven't create any new thread recently due to some reasons best known To me, Although I still Remain your loyal boy "Goodboiyy" . Below are some Igbo and Yoruba word used in Urhobo language.Urhobo also call money igho |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by Igboid: 9:58am On Apr 22, 2018 |
ehikwe22: Yes! It is unprecedented in history. If you have an example, give it to me, and I would dissect the example and tell you why it's not fitting. Edo language was completely supposedly left in Ika, Ikwerre, etc. What Ika speak is an Igbo language, corrupted by Bini words here and there as should be expected, considering the unending influx of Edo speaking people into an originally Igbo speaking Ika area since the dawn of time, the language of Ika is Igboid and not Edoid . Meanwhile, Degema (Udekeme) in far away Rivers state still retained their Edoid language. I expect Ika to be bilingual in Edoid and current Igboid language, with the Edoid one dying, if indeed an Edoid language was the original language of Ikas. Just as we have in Odiani (Ugbodu and co), where the original Yoruboid language is dying/dead, and currently replaced by Igbo (Enu ani) language,making Odiani people a bilingual people. The same is applicable in Ebu, an originally Igala speaking town in Anioma, where they are currently bilingual in Igala and Igbo. No single Ijoid group was converted to Igboid in Bayelsa or Rivers, if you have any, mention them here. Despite great influx of Igbo people into Kalabari, mainly Aro people, their mercenaries like Abam warriors, and their Slaves (Igbos) , for example Asari Dokubo lineage are Igbo from Abam Igbo clan, Kalabari remained Ijaw speaking, with few loaned Igbo words used by them here and there. You are the unintelligent one. History follows logic, what you propose is illogical and you are upset that we are pointing it out. 3 Likes |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by SamgoldBaba: 2:28pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
What is the meaning of Oniovo doh in Urhobo language and the response to that?? |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by fratermathy(m): 4:33pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
SamgoldBaba: If loosely translated, it means "Well done, my friend". Response can also be "Doh". 1 Like |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by SamgoldBaba: 4:40pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
fratermathy:Wadoo! |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by fero007: 6:36pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
SamgoldBaba: Oniovo means brother/sister/family member Doh- can mean well-done, welcome, sorry, please, thank you, greet you, e. t. c so oniovo doh can mean many tinz 1 Like |
Re: Some Igbo/yoruba Word Used In Urhobo/Isoko Language by fero007: 6:37pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
we just beg u guyz not to derail this thread now, every thread on nl must not be igbo vs somebody, e nor dey tire una? |
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