I am particularly concerned about the fate of women and children in islamic countries.

So I seek answers to the following:

why is inferiority of the womenfolk a norm in islam?

why should a man have the right to beat a woman? (quran 4:24)

why would a disobidient woman go to hell? (koran 66:10)
why is rape tolerable in islam? (koran 4:3, koran 4:24)
why can a muslim woman marry only one husband, but the guy can marry four?
why can a woman not be able to ask for divorce? (surah 2:229)

Why does islam condone the maltreatment of the weak, feeble and defenceless? why are women treated as such?
ever heard of honour killings?

The best response to this thread was to ban me. . . . . . islam and its contradictions!!!

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C-NOETIC:

I am particularly concerned about the fate of women and children in islamic countries.

So I seek answers to the following:

why is inferiority of the womenfolk a norm in islam?

Very false ambigous statement , lets analyse your question and further expose your falsheood

why should a man have the right to beat a woman? (quran 4:24)

"Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed , agree mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-Knowing, All-Wise"
Q4 v 24

The verse you quoted has nothing to do with beating of women.

why would a disobidient woman go to hell? (koran 66:10)

"God sets forth, for an example to the Unbelievers, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut: they were (respectively) under two of our righteous servants, but they were false to their (husbands), and they profited nothing before God on their account, but were told: "Enter ye the Fire along with (others) that enter!"

Again the verse you quoted was talking about the wives of Lot and Noah who disobeyed Gods command he gave to his prophets Lot and Noah.

why is rape tolerable in islam? (koran 4:3, koran 4:24)

Q4v3 "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice"

The verse you quoted again talks about lawful marriage and the limitations.

why can a muslim woman marry only one husband, but the guy can marry four?

Ask all the prophets of God in the bible that question. Ask Solomon who had 1000.

a woman not be able to ask for divorce? (surah 2:229)

"A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness. It is not lawful for you, (men), to take back any of your gifts (from your wives), except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by God. If ye (judges) do indeed fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by God, there is no blame on either of them if she give something for her freedom. These are the limits ordained by God; so do not transgress them. If any do transgress the limits ordained by God, such persons wrong (Themselves as well as others). "

Again see the verse you quoted it says nothing like women cannot divorce. Women have the right to seek divorce in islam and they are channels to do so.


Dude in your rage and hatred of the faith of islam you just copied and pasted the trash above, You didnt even bother to check those verses if they had anything to do with your allegations. It is called lazy research and intellectual deficiency. I am not surprised you were banned and you are a big nuisance to this section, your good riddance would be most appreciated by my humble self.

I cannot even analyse the allegations as your basis are already false and it will be waste of my precious time trying to defend senslless allegations.

Just look at the way you open your mouth and shit pours out. . . .answer the questions and you're blabbing.
More people are banned posting in this section than the whole of nairaland! Savages!

Tùdor:

Just look at the way you open your mouth and shit pours out. . . .answer the questions and you're blabbing.
More people are banned posting in this section than the whole of nairaland! Savages!

Question already answered
Jazakhallahu ya Lagosboy

@ LAgos boy

I hate to say u are DUMB, but in reality you are. And the source of which lies in ur hypocrisy, displayed now as a respondent and also when u were the moderator. Pathetic DUMB head.

1. This is what ur hadith says concerning women intelligence: (Sahih al-Bukhari)
"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence'

, 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'"[14]

2. Another point from ur "prophet", who claims that women dominate hell-fire.

Muhammad said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124

Muhammad also once said; "If there is an evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman, and the horse. Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 7, book 62, no. 31.

3. Islam culturally allows its "followers" to marry up to four women . . . .

why EXACTLY am i attempting to quote ur "holy" koran. Here are the links to tell you the EVIL pepertuated against women in ISLAM as evidenced today all over the world.

HERE ARE A LIST OF VICTIMS AND FELLOW "MULLAHS" WHO CORROBORATE MY CLAIMS:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5420265376020874529&ei=hwAgSp7zDYeD-QbLzYW8Dw&q=women+abuse+in+islam&client=firefox-a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izUv-ywBeg4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1pil4zArzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izUv-ywBeg4
http://www.geocities.com/hammihanirani/articles/chauvanism.html
http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/life-is-short-take-a-stand-introducing-muslim-men-against-domestic-abuse-mmada-org/18325418

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html
http://islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/ugly/ugly_women.htm
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mhviran
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/wifeabuse.html

@Noetic2

1. This is what ur hadith says concerning women intelligence: (Sahih al-Bukhari)
"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence'

,  'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'"[14]

2. Another point from ur "prophet", who claims that women dominate hell-fire.

Muhammad said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124

Muhammad also once said; "If there is an evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman, and the horse. Reference: Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 7, book 62, no. 31.

Let us read the hadith you quoted using wrong numbers:

It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that women will form the majority of the people of Hell. It was narrated from ‘Imraan ibn Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3241; Muslim, 2737)

Reason:

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allaah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1052)

It was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri said: 

“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out to the Musalla on the day of Eid al-Adha or Eid al-Fitr. He passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allaah?’  He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’”
(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 304)

It was narrated that Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah said: “I attended Eid prayers with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He started with the prayer before the khutbah, with no adhaan or iqaamah. Then he stood up, leaning on Bilaal, speaking of fear of Allaah (taqwa) and urging us to obey Him. He preached to the people and reminded them. Then he went over to the women and preached to them and reminded them. Then he said, ‘Give in charity, for you are the majority of the fuel of Hell. A woman with dark cheeks stood up in the midst of the women and said, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allaah?’ He said, ‘Because you complain too much and are ungrateful to your husbands.’ Then they started to give their jewellery in charity, throwing their earrings and rings into Bilaal’s cloak.”
(Narrated by Muslim, 885)

There are verses which gives equality to both men and women:

Quran 9 v 71 – 72: And [as for] the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His messenger; [as for] these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[b]Allah has promised to the believing men and the believing women gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode; [/b]and best of all is Allah's goodly pleasure; that is the grand achievement.

Women, at times are exempted from performing religious duties like fasting and praying as a result of recurrent symptoms like menstrual bleeding. However, it doesnt meant that they are deficient as said above as we all know that women are fragile and not of all them have heart like men. At times, women lack ability to concentrate as a result of menstruation, post labour period , restlessness, ability to forget things easily during these period etc

It doesnt mean that all women would be doomed as Allah said that believing women would be inmates of paradise but the proud, arrogant, abusive ones etc would not.

Quran 49 v 13: "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is the most righteous of you [my note: could be a male or female]. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

Allah made it clear that, masculity or feminity would not determine paradise but good work:

Quran 3 v 195: "And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: Ye are members, one of another: Those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from the presence of God, and from His presence is the best of rewards." 

Quran 57 v 18: Surely the male donors and the female donors and [those] who lend to Allah a fair loan, it will be doubled for them, and they will have an honorable reward

Quran 33 v 35: Surely [for] male Muslims and female Muslims, and male believers and female believers, and devout males and devout females and sincere males and sincere females, and patient males and patient females, and submissive males and submissive females, and male donators and female donators, and fasting males and fasting females, and males who preserve their private parts and females who preserve their private parts, and males who are much mindful of Allah and females who are much mindful of Allah – for them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a magnificent reward.

3. Islam culturally allows its "followers" to marry up to four women . .  . .

There are reasons for that and BIBLE does not say it is a sin to marry more than one or one must not marry than one, if you have it kindly show me.  We have stories of those having more than one wife in the bible. Abraham happened to be a very good story in that, there are reasons for marrying more than one.

why EXACTLY  am i attempting to quote ur "holy" koran. Here are the links to tell you the EVIL pepertuated against women in ISLAM as evidenced today all over the world.

Always verify stories before doing 'cut and paste'. You gave wrong verses and was corrected but had to change to another yet with wrong numbers .

HERE ARE A LIST OF VICTIMS AND FELLOW "MULLAHS" WHO CORROBORATE MY CLAIMS:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5420265376020874529&ei=hwAgSp7zDYeD-QbLzYW8Dw&q=women+abuse+in+islam&client=firefox-a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izUv-ywBeg4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1pil4zArzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izUv-ywBeg4
http://www.geocities.com/hammihanirani/articles/chauvanism.html
http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/life-is-short-take-a-stand-introducing-muslim-men-against-domestic-abuse-mmada-org/18325418

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWGA8i6scYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html
http://islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/ugly/ugly_women.htm
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mhviran
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/wifeabuse.html

I didnt check through all you posted up but can as well post stories of certain doctrines in your bible from reverts. For the fact that the above do all you listed doesnt mean Islam allows that, Islam frowns at wife abuse, wife rights denial, honor killing etc.

@post :

Women have no right in Islam. They are looked upon primarily as an object for sexual gratification and procreation. This is reflected in many verses of the Quran and many more - even more derogatory - in the Ahadith.

2: 223 Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will. But do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah and know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter) and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.

Muhammadan Islam relegates womanhood to the level of a field suitable for ploughing and sowing seed, and the man as the tiller. They are only an object for his pleasures and desires, when, where and how it suits him. A husband may beat his wife with or without a reason, at will.

*Shook head*

muhsin:

*Shook head*

Have the join the league of red neck lizards (I mean Abuzola's group) ? Why are you shaking your big head ?

You are always asking for proof, and I have given you a proof from your Hadiths. I was thinking you will apply your principle of Al- Taqiyah and cleverly deny it

Or are you waiting for the forbidden months to pass before striking ?