vladimiros:


look, The North won't agree to Autonomy EVER, but its something that would happen, not instantly but slowly..

Buhari would have to read the Confab report anytime in the future whether he likes it or not, it would kickstart the motion for autonomy

D north has held the oil for over 50 years now, in another 50 - 80 years, Niger delta oil will dry up or at least won't be in commercial quantity again.

Then the.north will leave u

chuna1985:



They are already holding it n it a working.

The 13% derivation u people get from ur oil is not even enough to clean the environment from degradation coming from crude oil waste products.

what about NDDC and Ministry of Niger Delta??

the South east needs to know how to play Game of Politics with the North and South West, fighting for everything at once would make you look suspicious, but getting things things at a time would work..

Patience

vladimiros:


see the rubbish this one is saying.....

we cbattled for resource control, they refused to give us anything before, but now we have NDDC and Derivation which we expect to rise in the coming future..

or what else is resource control to you?

Let me ask you a question mr. Do you honestly think derivation,NDDC is same as resource control? please answer honestly

There's a certain "silence of the graveyard" on the Bayelsa elections by a certain social media camp.

Of course, we are a divided people.

wirinet:


The south east is smarter than us south south, because they are aware of the factors and the reality on the ground, hence they seeking to run away? So the only way the south south can become smart is by joining you guys to run away. O boy see logic.

The problem is that you guys distort history, fact and logic to promote your agenda. Yes derivation was 50% pre-civil war, but during and after the Igbo inspired civil war, derivation was 0%, yes nothing. It was during the second republic that derivation was brought to about 5%. under the military intervention of 1984 - 1999, derivation was undefined, it was anything the military head of state decided. It was through intense lobbying and negotiations that we were able to achieve 13%. although we are advocating for 50% derivation, we know that a fair percentage is 25, 50% is unrealistic. The Igbos should realize that in negotiations, you do not get 100% of your demands.

It is ironic that this poster is claiming Igbo are smarter than south south. South south have always gotten whatever they demanded (at least some concession) from the Nigerian state, while the Igbos had gotten almost nothing.
We demanded for a separate region, we got it.
We demanded for more states, we got six.
We demanded for a minimum of 25% derivation, we got 13%
We have Nigerdelta ministry and NDDC.
We demanded offshore non-dichotomy, we got it.
We demanded stoppage in the exploitation of the Nigerdelta oil communities by oil communities and the FG, we got amnesty and presidency.

Now what Igbos have demanded and gotten from the Nigerian federation. you have the audacity to call us ignorant and clueless.

Do u even live in nigeria ""


"""We demanded for a separate region, we got it.
We demanded for more states, we got six.
We demanded for a minimum of 25% derivation, we got 13%"""

Where did u learn all these false nonsense from

endoski:
nyc one bro,tank u for speaking the bitter truth.
This is the problem i hv wit those in the ss,instead they join biafra nd make tins easy fkr themselves nd they're there dying in silence,they're all bunch of dullards.
nyc write up bro.

trying to reason with them has shown that they dont like to think in the positive direction. I have issues making sense to them, it is like they need other people need to start talking to them and let them reason.

chuna1985:




Do u even live in nigeria ""


"""We demanded for a separate region, we got it.
We demanded for more states, we got six.
We demanded for a minimum of 25% derivation, we got 13%"""

Where did u learn all these false nonsense from

pls provide proof that he is not speaking the truth?

MrAnalyst:


Let me ask you a question mr. Do you honestly think derivation,NDDC is same as resource control? please answer honestly

the Money used to fund NDDC comes from Oil expenses paid to NNPC..

chuna1985:



D north has held the oil for over 50 years now, in another 50 - 80 years, Niger delta oil will dry up or at least won't be in commercial quantity again.

Then the.north will leave u

please stop saying the Oil will dry up..

the Niger Delta has unexplored vast amount of Natural Gas reserves, don't forget the OIl palm reserves

Truckpusher:
Lol, we are stuck together in telling the truth so we and you guys can work together in love and not in bitterness to achieve one goal , after all we are all in the same boat. Aren't we ?

Sure! If only you'll realise that the enemy can never come from the east. If only you'll realise that the enemies are the ones who pop champagne anytime they see us fighting. They're the ones who own the oil wells in our backyards... They're the ones that occupy every available space in NNPC despite the fact that me and you are better qualified to occupy those positions.

The longer we continue fighting, the stronger their death-grip on our commonwealth becomes. The truth is that we need to stop fighting and forge a common and united front to confront this scourge from the Southwest and the North.

Na wa for this Barcanista, l think say na only serious national issues u dey write 6fullscap sheet comprehension for.


I know no say, u sef dey follow respond to beer parlour, jobless, and errand boy talk.

Tonye the truth is bitter you know. I sincerely dont see any unity and honesty amongst the Niger Deltas.

The Niger Deltas are the weakest groups in Nigeria and I dont think we have real people that can fight for Us.

ketchupBoy:


why don't you try and read with comprehension..

what the Ss are saying is that, they got 13% derivation and they later agitated for a Commission and a Ministry which was granted to them.

now add the budget from derivation and NDDC is it not more than 13%..??

If a ss person after looking at the environmental degradation of their communities and abject poverty stearing them in the face can still come and say their okay with 13% derivation then I'll say something is terribly wrong somewhere. But then I can't and won't bother myself with that issue. Have it your way

MrAnalyst:


If a ss person after looking at the environmental degradation of their communities and abject poverty stearing them in the face can still come and say their okay with 13% derivation then I'll say something is terribly wrong somewhere. But then I can't and won't bother myself with that issue. Have it your way

The SS are not okay with 13% and NDDC, but its better than what the whole country has. Change is a Marathon not a sprint..

chuna1985:



They are already holding it n it a working.

The 13% derivation u people get from ur oil is not even enough to clean the environment from degradation coming from crude oil waste products.

The 13% derivation is not meant to clean up the environment, it is for the development of the communities and the state. The responsibility of cleaning up the environment lies with the oil companies, besides if the oil companies engage in best practices as done elsewhere in the world, environmental pollution would be minimal.

ichukwu48:


You are so dumb it's ridiculous. the 13% would remain FOREVER. Every effort to increase it have been either thrown away by the north or ignored. While I'm at it, incase you are not aware or never read any history book EVER, in 1958, the oil derivation for every oil producing community was 50% which took a dramatic decline to 10% to 1968. It is currently moved to the 13% which does not seem to be changed and will never be changed judging from every factors we see today.

While I'm at it, peter odili must be chinese to you since you've been asking the stupidiest question repeatedly.

It's baffling really. You take 13% oil revenue with constant destruction to the environment that hampers even FISHING! And still they jubilate and are quite happy. That's so ridiculous it's almost annoying.

MrAnalyst:


It's baffling really. You take 13% oil revenue with constant destruction to the environment that hampers even FISHING! And still they jubilate and are quite happy. That's so ridiculous it's almost annoying.

As i said above, the 13% has nothing to do with the destruction of the environment. It is because of bad drilling practices by the oil companies and complicity by government regulatory agencies that allow the oil companies to pollute the environment with reckless abandon. It is like gas flaring, the oil companies are still flaring poisonous gasses into the atmosphere despite a ban on it, now do you expected us to use the 13% to clean up the atmosphere?

wirinet:

As i said above, the 13% has nothing to do with the destruction of the environment. It is because of bad drilling practices by the oil companies and complicity by government regulatory agencies that allow the oil companies to pollute the environment with reckless abandon. It is like gas flaring, the oil companies are still flaring poisonous gasses into the atmosphere despite a ban on it, now do you expected us to use the 13% to clean up the atmosphere?

that what they don't know, the 13% does alot for the States, the Oil companies and NDDC should do the cleanups, the 13% might rise if other regions start exploring their resources

fx45:
Sure! If only you'll realise that the enemy can never come from the east. If only you'll realise that the enemies are the ones who pop champagne anytime they see us fighting. They're the ones who own the oil wells in our backyards... They're the ones that occupy every available space in NNPC despite the fact that me and you are better qualified to occupy those positions.

The longer we continue fighting, the stronger their death-grip on our commonwealth becomes. The truth is that we need to stop fighting and forge a common and united front to confront this scourge from the Southwest and the North.

I understood you perfectly but we have to be careful here as it seems that you guys have a lot of people that are still running with the 1967 mentality though these issues shouldn't even be talked about after all we all run with the same ideology which is capitalist in nature and self expression but the fears of the minority groups needs to be addressed properly to allay any fear of any kind after all unity should be of purpose and not just a case of being united which will lead to rancor and bitterness thereby taking us back to the same old system we were running away from.
A united SE and SS is what they fear most but what's the agenda of the igbo man? is it different from the agenda of those that seem to hold sway and lording over us right now ?
Don't you think it would be counterproductive to run away from one form of marginalization only to open up another chapter? If you were in the shoes of these minorities , would you show support for something where your interest is likely to remain like your current interest ? Where is the honey before spitting out your sugar?

Truckpusher:
I understood you perfectly but we have to be careful here as it seems that you guys have a lot of people that are still running with the 1967 mentality though these issues shouldn't even be talked about after all we all run with the same ideology which is capitalist in nature and self expression but the fears of the minority groups needs to be addressed properly to allay any fear of any kind after all unity should be of purpose and not just a case of being united which will lead to rancor and bitterness thereby taking us back to the same old system we were running away from.
A united SE and SS is what they fear most but what's the agenda of the igbo man? is it different from the agenda of those that seem to hold sway and lording over us right now ?
Don't you think it would be counterproductive to run away from one form of marginalization only to open up another chapter? If you were in the shoes of these minorities , would you show support for something where your interest is likely to remain like your current interest ? Where is the honey before spitting out your sugar?

U 're really a ghud writer!
Comprehensive points!

MrAnalyst:


It's baffling really. You take 13% oil revenue with constant destruction to the environment that hampers even FISHING! And still they jubilate and are quite happy. That's so ridiculous it's almost annoying.

What would you have us do ? Pick up arms against the govt. for some folks to use it and enrich themselves like Asari and co ? Thereby bringing criminality into our doorstep - The kidnapping that has engulfed this nation today was as a result of the same struggle that have been hijacked by criminal elements and till this very moment someone is being kidnapped, raped and murdered all thanks to the so called Niger Delta militants which I prefer to call criminal enterprises that enriched their pockets using the Niger Delta as an umbrella to perpetrate all manners of evil.

We won't destroy whatever progress we've made so far all in the name of wanting more.
Wisdom demands that you ask for more with more compelling evidence while holding unto whatever we've achieved , it will surely take time but this is the only way as any other way would be counterproductive and that isn't to say we are happy but creating an atmosphere of chaos won't pay us any good. Do you know how many companies that left the Niger Delta since 2005 and haven't even come back, do you know how expatriates that left this land because of the mayhem caused by armed struggle ? Do you know how many people that have been made jobless today as a result of the criminality that followed the Niger Delta struggle ? Do you know how many young men and women that died as a result of avoidable chaos and mayhem ? Don't worry , start the madness in your land and you'll understand that armed conflict is a lose-lose situation for everyone even when you're fighting for your right.

Stupidity is when you start a senseless chaos in your own house destroying your house all in the name of wanting to build another one.
This method might take time but it's the best way out.

Truckpusher:
What would you have us do ? Pick up arms against the govt. for some folks to use it and enrich themselves like Asari and co ? Thereby bringing criminality into our doorstep - The kidnapping that has engulfed this nation today was as a result of the same struggle that have been hijacked by criminal elements and till this very moment someone is being kidnapped, raped and murdered all thanks to the so called Niger Delta militants which I prefer to call criminal enterprises that enriched their pockets using the Niger Delta as an umbrella to perpetrate all manners of evil.

We won't destroy whatever progress we've made so far all in the name of wanting more.
Wisdom demands that you ask for more with more compelling evidence while holding unto whatever we've achieved , it will surely take time but this is the only way as any other way would be counterproductive and that isn't to say we are happy but creating an atmosphere of chaos won't pay us any good. Do you know how many companies that left the Niger Delta since 2005 and haven't even come back, do you know how expatriates that left this land because of the mayhem caused by armed struggle ? Do you know how many people that have been made jobless today as a result of the criminality that followed the Niger Delta struggle ? Do you know how many young men and women that died as a result of avoidable chaos and mayhem ? Don't worry , start the madness in your land and you'll understand that armed conflict is a lose-lose situation for everyone even when you're fighting for your right.

Stupidity is when you start a senseless chaos in your own house destroying your house all in the name of wanting to build another one.
This method might take time but it's the best way out.

Thank you for liberating their minds, we have made progress, and this is what we can do best, but they act like we have United States backing the SS against Nigeria

ketchupBoy:


Thank you for liberating their minds, we have made progress, and this is what we can do best, but they act like we have United States backing the SS against Nigeria

If anyone from the SS and SE thinks that the Anglo-American empire will support any liberal and capitalist leaning black man from this gulf of Guinea should visit a psychiatrist.
The west will prefer to help the feudal North against the liberal South and this was proven in 1967 even as they were Christians and Catholic.
I've seen the West for who they are and I'll not even entrust them with my emancipation at any point - The west do not help any country that run with the same ideology with them especially countries they've exploited before colonization.
As a young boy I had the same mentality but I can tell you that these guys in number 10 Downing Street and Washignton will never help you achieve emancipation from the their appointed guardian of the black gold which is in your backyard - Forget all the shouts of "death to America" their elites are in bed with the west.
Those that do not understand and know the importance of historical events will only continue to rely on the same people that put them where they are.
It might interest you to know that a bulk of the black soldiers that helped the British to subdue the great Benin empire during the punitive expedition were of Hausa/Fulani extraction.

Truckpusher:
If anyone from the SS and SE thinks that the Anglo-American empire will support any liberal and capitalist leaning black man from this gulf of Guinea should visit a psychiatrist.
The west will prefer to help the feudal North against the liberal South and this was proven in 1967 even as they were Christians and Catholic.
I've seen the West for who they are and I'll not even entrust them with my emancipation at any point - The west do not help any country that run with the same ideology with them especially countries they've exploited before colonization.
As a young boy I had the same mentality but I can tell you that these guys in number 10 Downing Street and Washignton will never help you achieve emancipation from the their appointed guardian of the black gold which is in your backyard - Forget all the shouts of "death to America" their elites are in bed with the west.
Those that do not understand and know the importance of historical events will only continue to rely on the same people that put them where they are.
It might interest you to know that a bulk of the black soldiers that helped the British to subdue the great Benin empire during the punitive expedition were of Hausa/Fulani extraction.

The bolded does not surprise me, the West needs loyal fools who back against Nationalism, thats why the Hausa's are their West African "accomplices", thats why they killed Gaddafi, because Gaddafi was a proper pan-Africanist who saw the light in African Nationalism not Globalization..

the West won't support SS or SE Nationalism, but we SS should keep on doing what we have done and work on our progress, the North would be stupid to notice a change..

ketchupBoy:


The bolded does not surprise me, the West needs loyal fools who back against Nationalism, thats why the Hausa's are their West African "accomplices", thats why they killed Gaddafi, because Gaddafi was a proper pan-Africanist who saw the light in African Nationalism not Globalization..

the West won't support SS or SE Nationalism, but we SS should keep on doing what we have done and work on our progress, the North would be stupid to notice a change..

You're perfectly right , but the Hausas too are victims just like the Kanuris and other conquered people in the North - The main culprit here is the invader from Futa jallon( Fualnis ) whose nomadic lifestyle won't let them settle in a place hence they are scattered all over West Africa spreading chaos and mayhem as they march on , Islam was only a place of succor.
Ghadafi came at the wrong time - African leaders were not ready to protect their own and even Nigeria that would have protected him was in the hands of the West under the arrangement of the West . In fact if Jonathan had made any move to help Ghadafi don't be surprised how he would have been thrown out of office disgraced and even jailed.
These people knew what they are doing and the feudal North under the stranglehold of the Fulanis is always at their service and if you doubt me ask Mohammed Murtala who paid with his life or Ojukwu whom they saw as a threat to their stranglehold on Nigeria, the moment he made a run for it they activated their boys. Yet in this 21st century poor student of history wants to repeat it again.
What do you think when you see the FG after independence have always made policies that will keep the south economically attached to whatever they are churning out from their factories in the West ?

Truckpusher:
If anyone from the SS and SE thinks that the Anglo-American empire will support any liberal and capitalist leaning black man from this gulf of Guinea should visit a psychiatrist.
The west will prefer to help the feudal North against the liberal South and this was proven in 1967 even as they were Christians and Catholic.
I've seen the West for who they are and I'll not even entrust them with my emancipation at any point - The west do not help any country that run with the same ideology with them especially countries they've exploited before colonization.
As a young boy I had the same mentality but I can tell you that these guys in number 10 Downing Street and Washignton will never help you achieve emancipation from the their appointed guardian of the black gold which is in your backyard - Forget all the shouts of "death to America" their elites are in bed with the west.
Those that do not understand and know the importance of historical events will only continue to rely on the same people that put them where they are.
It might interest you to know that a bulk of the black soldiers that helped the British to subdue the great Benin empire during the punitive expedition were of Hausa/Fulani extraction.

And he killed it again!

Truckpusher:
If anyone from the SS and SE thinks that the Anglo-American empire will support any liberal and capitalist leaning black man from this gulf of Guinea should visit a psychiatrist.
The west will prefer to help the feudal North against the liberal South and this was proven in 1967 even as they were Christians and Catholic.
I've seen the West for who they are and I'll not even entrust them with my emancipation at any point - The west do not help any country that run with the same ideology with them especially countries they've exploited before colonization.
As a young boy I had the same mentality but I can tell you that these guys in number 10 Downing Street and Washignton will never help you achieve emancipation from the their appointed guardian of the black gold which is in your backyard - Forget all the shouts of "death to America" their elites are in bed with the west.
Those that do not understand and know the importance of historical events will only continue to rely on the same people that put them where they are.
It might interest you to know that a bulk of the black soldiers that helped the British to subdue the great Benin empire during the punitive expedition were of Hausa/Fulani extraction.

Insightful comment!
I might add the entire network of Nigerian freemasons, sizeable chunk of foreign trained military officers, diplomats… off all ethinicities are complicit in the sellout of black africa.
A permanent residence status in Europe and US, diplomatic coverage for laundering looted funds, and ofcourse support in rigging elections...are the carrots the colonials have used in baiting these low self esteem african "leaders".
Its not just a northern thing…you need collaborators from all regions to hold a country as large as Nigeria in such a brutal stranglehold.
So in your opinion, what are the possible options going forward?
Apparently the Hausa/Fulani are the house masters in the Nigeria project(not a bad thing…someone has to lead).
What needs to be done...by all affected groups to get the dividends of good governance, petrodollar revenues to the common man?
I think a return to the old regional structure would be a viable starting point.

Truckpusher:
You're perfectly right , but the Hausas too are victims just like the Kanuris and other conquered people in the North - The main culprit here is the invader from Futa jallon( Fualnis ) whose nomadic lifestyle won't let them settle in a place hence they are scattered all over West Africa spreading chaos and mayhem as they march on , Islam was only a place of succor.
Ghadafi came at the wrong time - African leaders were not ready to protect their own and even Nigeria that would have protected him was in the hands of the West under the arrangement of the West . In fact if Jonathan had made any move to help Ghadafi don't be surprised how he would have been thrown out of office disgraced and even jailed.
These people knew what they are doing and the feudal North under the stranglehold of the Fulanis is always at their service and if you doubt me ask Mohammed Murtala who paid with his life or Ojukwu whom they saw as a threat to their stranglehold on Nigeria, the moment he made a run for it they activated their boys. Yet in this 21st century poor student of history wants to repeat it again.
What do you think when you see the FG after independence have always made policies that will keep the south economically attached to whatever they are churning out from their factories in the West ?

History needs to be taught in all SS and SE schools, so that our future generation should know who their enemies are. Simple.

Gaddafi waited too long to put up a change, he was pan African in Africa but a socialist in libya, the West hated that, as for the Fulanis, they are creating enemies in their own North for themselves, their time is coming, and they know it..

Truckpusher:
This is the same message we've been passing to them.
These power drunk oligarchs in the North and their foot soldiers in other regions are looking for an excuse to bring the SE and SS down and it seems the SE is willing to give them that opportunity - The gains made by the Igbo man after the civil war which was followed by repression and policies of subjugation shouldn't be sacrificed on the alter of ego trips and some level of perceived strength.
You do not give a perceived enemy the opportunity to start his madness until he's on a point where you can deal with him mercilessly on your own terms .Ojukwu fell for it and it would be madness to use the same method that failed before in such a sensitive issue such as secession.
Countries like Nigeria do not divide with the leaders of the different regions holding hands and singing * one love * but divides with the bloods of patriots and citizens pouring like water.However, one must make sure that it is not your own blood or that of your own people that will pay the ultimate price and make the ultimate sacrifice.
Common sense must be applied even in the face of dehumanization and slavery else you'll give whoever that is enslaving you the opportunity to do whatever he wishes. This is common sense.

Exactimo!
Now thats a cold blooded view of reality! No passions
Care to pass on this to your brothers agitating without an agenda…or plan to garner the support of those whose opinion counts most in this issue?

PabloAfricanus:


Insightful comment!
I might add the entire network of Nigerian freemasons, sizeable chunk of foreign trained military officers, diplomats… off all ethinicities are complicit in the sellout of black africa.
A permanent residence status in Europe and US, diplomatic coverage for laundering looted funds, and ofcourse support in rigging elections...are the carrots the colonials have used in baiting these low self esteem african "leaders".
Its not just a northern thing…you need collaborators from all regions to hold a country as large as Nigeria in such a brutal stranglehold.
So in your opinion, what are the possible options going forward?
Apparently the Hausa/Fulani are the house masters in the Nigeria project(not a bad thing…someone has to lead).
What needs to be done...by all affected groups to get the dividends of good governance, petrodollar revenues to the common man?
I think a return to the old regional structure would be a viable starting point.

Great points my friend .
But think again what do you think will happen if the old regional structure is restored under a democratic govt?
You'll see the emergence of fearless and eloquent and violent outspoken personalities like Nnamdi Kanu and Asari Dokubo which will lead to the benching of the old order in the South which do not have a strong control over their own people like the North and if these guys are pan Africanist in nature it will rubbish the old order which will send out a strong message to their counterpart in the North and with the shades of Islam they are so done.
This is the last thing the house master wants to see it happen.
Have you bothered to ask yourself why Northern elites aren't bothered about the level of illiteracy in the North while their Southern counterpart aren't bothered about the poverty rate and ignorance in the South? The logic simple;keep them hungry and uneducated and watch them scramble to survive. But feed them and give them education and watch them ask hard questions.
Nigeria needs education but we are too polarized on region, religion and ethnicity that it will take the intervention of the gods to free us from ourselves.
Eloquent, violent and fearless individuals is what any govt fears most. They are a catalyst to a revolution.

Truckpusher:
Great points my friend .
But think again what do you will happen if the old regional structure is restored under a democratic govt.
You'll see the emergence of fearless and eloquent and violent outspoken personalities like Nnamdi Kanu and Asari Dokubo which will lead to the benching of the old order in the South which do not have a strong control over their own people like the North and if these guys are pan Africanist in nature it will rubbish the old order which will send out a strong message to their counterpart in the North and with the shades of Islam they are so done.
This is the last thing the house master wants to see it happen.
Have you bothered to ask yourself why Northern elites aren't bothered about the level of illiteracy in the North while their Southern counterpart aren't bothered about the poverty rate and ignorance in the South? The logic simple;keep them hungry and uneducated and watch them scramble to survive. But feed them and give them education and watch them ask hard questions.
Nigeria needs education but we are too polarized on region, religion and ethnicity that it will take the intervention of the gods to free us from ourselves.

I don't think you even Need education to be a pan- Africanist, all you need is common sense..


common sense is cheaper than education