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The Chief Imam of Lagos Central Mosque Alhaji Akiniola Garuba said on Saturday that the new U.S. peace initiative could resolve the lingering tensions in the Middle East.

U.S. President Barack Obama addressed Muslim leaders in Cairo on June 4 to enlist their support in reviving the stalled Middle East peace talks and the war against terrorists.

The address was also part of a broader effort to redirect U.S. foreign policy which has alienated allies and fuelled a wave of anti-Americanism in the Muslim world.

Garuba told the News Agency of Nigeria in Lagos that the initiative was a confirmation of the optimism of Muslim clerics on Obama’s capability to resolve the U.S.-Muslim face-off.

``Islamic clerics and scholars were agreed that Obama held the hope that lingering hostilities in the Middle East could be resolved during his tenure,’’ he said.

The cleric explained that Obama’s Muslim background was a good credential which would assist him in understanding the feelings of Muslim leaders.


http://sunday.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=316:imam-says-us-initiative-can-resolve-middle-east-tensions&catid=41:latest-news&Itemid=26

Lets just hope he's sincere. . .today he supports america next friday he'll preach jihad and suicide bombings against the west. .

Tudoor:

Lets just hope he's sincere. . .today he supports america next friday he'll preach jihad and suicide bombings against the west. .

That is a natural commandment of allah. so what do u expect?

See these two guys Noetic says atheism is evil, Tudoor is an atheist and they never clash on here They are united in kufr and fight against islam.

True the enemey of my enemy is my friend.

What does your post havd to do with the topic?
Where's mukina2 with her big mouth to come and see her fellow islamist derailing threads

This Imam's speculation is no more than a fallacy. The "change" slogan is just another fraud, Obama would show his true color, I often get perplexed when Arabs seem to think they would get more than they want. Spare me please.

Take for example, how does this justify the Imam's statement.


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muhsin:

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The cleric explained that Obama’s Muslim background was a good credential which would assist him in understanding the feelings of Muslim leaders.


http://sunday.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=316:imam-says-us-initiative-can-resolve-middle-east-tensions&catid=41:latest-news&Itemid=26

Muslim background? Even Americans have spoke to, have this believe. Muslim background my foot.

why are arabs waiting for america to solve a problem they created?

davidylan:

why are arabs waiting for america to solve a problem they created?

I don't understand "they". Which problems did they Arabs create? Were they the ones that decided to invade Afghanistan to control a steady flow of opium to the drug-lords, or were they the ones who invaded Iraq because Saddam had a weapon of mass destruction? Were they the ones who promised IBB monstrous loan contracts with fake/inflated econometrics that would emerge a developed Nigeria? Were they even the ones that truly invaded Africa and persuaded the good for nothing chiefs to sell the blacks in the Western African coast to the slave masters, in exchange for guns to kill their own people. Were they the ones who debase the entire black race in exchange for racial segregation?
Is it also the Arabs, that bombed Panama indiscriminately in the 70s killing an estimate of four thousand unreported victims, accusing the prime minister of violating the United States laws in his own country? Or it is the Arabs, that sort to greedily expand it's hands reach by drawing the world's economy into shreds?
Is it the Arabs that went to chase the Jewish people--the Israeli out of their land (if it ever existed) or it happened the other way?

Davidlyan, you're suffering from a "chronic hypocrisy" and no amount of medication will heal that.

The atrocities of those you support would be brought to book-- and Allah be the Judge.

why did israel steal palestinian territory after hitler massacre them ? You are a fool for talking what you do not know , Israel never exist on map untill after the world war two when the world leaders settled them down in palestinian territories known as Israel of today

Frizy:

I don't understand "they". Which problems did they Arabs create? Were they the ones that decided to invade Afghanistan to control a steady flow of opium to the drug-lords, or were they the ones who invaded Iraq because Saddam had a weapon of mass destruction? Were they the ones who promised IBB monstrous loan contracts with fake/inflated econometrics that would emerge a developed Nigeria? Were they even the ones that truly invaded Africa and persuaded the good for nothing chiefs to sell the blacks in the Western African coast to the slave masters, in exchange for guns to kill their own people. Were they the ones who debase the entire black race in exchange for racial segregation?
Is it also the Arabs, that bombed Panama indiscriminately in the 70s killing an estimate of four thousand unreported victims, accusing the prime minister of violating the United States laws in his own country? Or it is the Arabs, that sort to greedily expand it's hands reach by drawing the world's economy into shreds?
Is it the Arabs that went to chase the Jewish people--the Israeli out of their land (if it ever existed) or it happened the other way?

Davidlyan, you're suffering from a "chronic hypocrisy" and no amount of medication will heal that.

The atrocities of those you support would be brought to book-- and Allah be the Judge.

Err exactly which "land"? Does that include arab areas such as Jericho, Bethlehem, Jerusalem, Nazareth, Capernaum, Judea, Samaria?

Pls which of the above are arab lands? Help . . . i must be reading history upside down.

Abuzola:

why did israel steal palestinian territory after hitler massacre them ? You are a fool for talking what you do not know , Israel never exist on map untill after the world war two when the world leaders settled them down in palestinian territories known as Israel of today

err which "palestinian territory"? 50% of Jordan's population is "palestinian" . . . so which territory did Israel steal? Pls help with the answers. I must be dreaming.

and of course arabs were innocent little lambs until the Russians, americans and Europeans descended on them in a fit of irrational rage. The arabs have done NOTHING at all . . .

what? They cant tell me which lands the Jews stole?

The muslim is a walking contradiction to himself . . .

Frizy:

I don't understand "they". Which problems did they Arabs create? Were they the ones that decided to invade Afghanistan to control a steady flow of opium to the drug-lords, or were they the ones who invaded Iraq because Saddam had a weapon of mass destruction? Were they the ones who promised IBB monstrous loan contracts with fake/inflated econometrics that would emerge a developed Nigeria? Were they even the ones that truly invaded Africa and persuaded the good for nothing chiefs to sell the blacks in the Western African coast to the slave masters, in exchange for guns to kill their own people. Were they the ones who debase the entire black race in exchange for racial segregation?
Is it also the Arabs, that bombed Panama indiscriminately in the 70s killing an estimate of four thousand unreported victims, accusing the prime minister of violating the United States laws in his own country? Or it is the Arabs, that sort to greedily expand it's hands reach by drawing the world's economy into shreds?
Is it the Arabs that went to chase the Jewish people--the Israeli out of their land (if it ever existed) or it happened the other way?

Davidlyan, you're suffering from a "chronic hypocrisy" and no amount of medication will heal that.

The atrocities of those you support would be brought to book-- and Allah be the Judge.

But the quran talks extensively about the jews, their land, their prophets . . . all of a sudden Frizy isnt sure the land of Israel ever existed?

Frizy:

I don't understand "they". Which problems did they Arabs create? Were they the ones that decided to invade Afghanistan to control a steady flow of opium to the drug-lords, or were they the ones who invaded Iraq because Saddam had a weapon of mass destruction? Were they the ones who promised IBB monstrous loan contracts with fake/inflated econometrics that would emerge a developed Nigeria? Were they even the ones that truly invaded Africa and persuaded the good for nothing chiefs to sell the blacks in the Western African coast to the slave masters, in exchange for guns to kill their own people. Were they the ones who debase the entire black race in exchange for racial segregation?
Is it also the Arabs, that bombed Panama indiscriminately in the 70s killing an estimate of four thousand unreported victims, accusing the prime minister of violating the United States laws in his own country? Or it is the Arabs, that sort to greedily expand it's hands reach by drawing the world's economy into shreds?
Is it the Arabs that went to chase the Jewish people--the Israeli out of their land (if it ever existed) or it happened the other way?

Davidlyan, you're suffering from a "chronic hypocrisy" and no amount of medication will heal that.

The atrocities of those you support would be brought to book-- and Allah be the Judge.

err atrocities like suicide bombing, launching katyusha rockets at school kids?

what? Frizy no longer knows those territories Israel "stole" from the palestinians?

davidylan:

what? Frizy no longer knows those territories Israel "stole" from the palestinians?

Am coming, am coming.

muhsin:

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The Chief Imam of Lagos Central Mosque Alhaji Akiniola Garuba said on Saturday that the new U.S. peace initiative could resolve the lingering tensions in the Middle East.

U.S. President Barack Obama addressed Muslim leaders in Cairo on June 4 to enlist their support in reviving the stalled Middle East peace talks and the war against terrorists.

The address was also part of a broader effort to redirect U.S. foreign policy which has alienated allies and fuelled a wave of anti-Americanism in the Muslim world.

Garuba told the News Agency of Nigeria in Lagos that the initiative was a confirmation of the optimism of Muslim clerics on Obama’s capability to resolve the U.S.-Muslim face-off.

``Islamic clerics and scholars were agreed that Obama held the hope that lingering hostilities in the Middle East could be resolved during his tenure,’’ he said.

The cleric explained that Obama’s Muslim background was a good credential which would assist him in understanding the feelings of Muslim leaders.


http://sunday.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=316:imam-says-us-initiative-can-resolve-middle-east-tensions&catid=41:latest-news&Itemid=26

The Chief Imam should tackle the area boys and alaye in his viscinity before looking towards the middle east where neither his father nor his mother resides.
Nigerians and swallowing panadol for other people's headache.
What was his opinion about the lingering violence from his fellow imams and their almajiris in northern Nigeria?

Frizy:

Am coming, am coming.

are you consulting a UN expert on the middle east crisis?

Each time the quran talked of Jerusalem and the land of Israel . . . it ALWAYS mentioned the jews as the inhabitants . . . not ONCE does it acknowledge arabs being owners of Israel . . . yeah even your unreliable quran stands in testimony against you.

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

Ah so even allah knew this "land" that Frizy cant find?

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

Which "holy land"? I thought it belonged to the "palestinians"?

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

Where were the "palestinians" all these while?

So even the quran testifies AGAINST THESE LYING CROOKS?

ROFL
Most of them parrot what they hear others say.
You may be suprised he's never  read those verses since they specialize in cramming them in arabic and regurgitating them like robots without a shred of understanding what it is they're cramming and reciting.
Their hadiths and koran talk of several Jewish tribes,were they living in the moon?

@$Osisi: How ya bodi? Lol.

Now that I have buttered you up, should I ask you to tell me if you know how many people began mankind that is now, tribes and nations and different colors?

Should we assume if you dont believe that the Israelites are nations/tribes, what was the reason that Moses provide twelve (12) water sources for just one group; the israelites?

Could the Benjaminites drink from the Reubenites or the Judah tribe people, even their water source was empty, just because he wanted to show brotherhood love?

Was there a thing known as the breakdown of the Israelites people, to the two nations of Judea and Israel, sometimes after the death of King Solomon?

If you can answer these questions sincerely, then relate it to the Quranic verse(s) that called the sons of Jacob/Israel asbati (tribes/nations).


I will come back for you later. You too, Davidylan. And please don't forget the experiment of sunsetting on water. Its some1 hour and 50 minutes or so before the sun sets. Go to lake Eerie or some park to see what am taliking about. It will be nice to see people about the park in your neck of the woods.

@Davidylan: « #18 on: Today at 09:20:05 PM »
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are you consulting a UN expert on the middle east crisis?

Each time the quran talked of Jerusalem and the land of Israel . . . it ALWAYS mentioned the jews as the inhabitants . . . not ONCE does it acknowledge arabs being owners of Israel . . . yeah even your unreliable quran stands in testimony against you.

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."
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Wow. David. You are not even ashamed about lying on the Quran. Interestingly, it is a good Book now that you think it serves your purpose to quote it so that you can justify Palestine for Israelis! Wow.

But The Israelites were leaving Egypt, heading towords the Sea and beyond, the greater Asia Minor, where today you have many countries, Israel now being one of them. When Pharaoh was scaring them, he was scaring them from the Egyptian side of the Red Sea. Both he and his army and the Israelites under Moses, were on that same side. Except that the Egyptians were in pursuit of the israelites who were ahead, but not yet on the other side of the Sea. Was it not the successful crossing of the children of Israel and the failure and defeat by drowning of the Egyptians that ended this pursuit?

By the way Pharaoh drowned and I intended to open a thread about this to discuss the issue with you. Get ready my man. I don't expect any truth from you. To you everything is fair in "your religious warfare!"

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

Ah so even allah knew this "land" that Frizy cant find?

The flimflam master! It is Allah when it is to serve your purpose. Muhammad is true when it is to your advantage. Other times, it is lower case a and it is the crying manically of its fraud.

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

Read and reflect. Read with insightfulness. Muhammad came long time after. But before then, during the time of Moses, the Israelites were honored, because they had goodness in them. They are children of Israel, with prophets; Jacob, Joseph are two examples. They share the blood of prophets, the same prophet prophet that the Muhammad and his people share his blood; Ibrahim (AS). Except that they did the sharing through two different branches; Ismail (AS) the first born for Muhammad and his people, the Arabs. Isiaq (AS) the second son for the Bani Israil.

But then they turned their back, ignominosly and then they were overthrown to their own ruin. You can't deny this. When this happened, they lost that very position of favor, because they did not stay in remembrance of Allah their Lord and Cherisher! In the history of Palestine and indeed Ilya (Jerusalem), the Jews were not in control of the land when Islam of Muhammad (AS) began. The Jews/Israelis/Israelites did not become dominant until after the creation of the state of Israel. That was just 60 plus years ago! You see how true the verse is, about being ruined? Abi, aburo?

Which "holy land"? I thought it belonged to the "palestinians"?

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

Where were the "palestinians" all these while?

Holy land, meaning Ilya (Jerusalem), where Dome of the Rock is the symbol, still of this city. Check it out. And by the way it is a masjid where Muhammad (AS) ascended to heavens! Masjid Aqsa is also the next most recognised. It is lower wall that your masters the yahuud (Jews) bopp their head when praying. Haa. O ba mi nbe faa! Rather O ba wa nbe faa. (Majestic pronoun).

So even the quran testifies AGAINST THESE LYING CROOKS?

You are the Croooooook,man when you are not even consistent with how you see the Quran! Is it a fraud or is it the truth? You an have it your way. This is not Wendy fast food joint!



@$osisi (f) « #19 on: Today at 09:37:04 PM »

ROFL
Most of them parrot what they hear others say.

And you provide lies ORIGINALI! I beg woman go sidot.

You may be suprised he's never read those verses since they specialize in cramming them in arabic and regurgitating them like robots without a shred of understanding what it is they're cramming and reciting.

Which is easier for a west african; English language or Arabic? For those who know, arabic is harder. This is why those who memorized the Quran as children are more disciplined and persform alway better in secular academic among their peers. Cramming is good. You know it. You are a Doctor. How did you remeber all those organs, etc in latin, except by cramming/memorising. Seriously!

Their hadiths and koran talk of several Jewish tribes,were they living in the moon?

I ask you to read my earlier entries and respond to me. Have you ever attended the Jewish sedas before? That what they call their ceremonial get together during their fstivals and feasts. You have them saying that the 12 tribes, each must have representation before they begin. I have attended many.

Finally, just because I want to make you laugh so hard, because am doing the same right now: Didn't the Bible (NT) talks about the Judgement day and the "juding the 12 tribes?" Omogel, I tire o.

a true polygamist, has no wife!!!, He has plenty of women

~boladonas

Wrong. A true polygamist have wives, not wife or plenty of women. Only adultere have plenty of women. And only men who are against the natural nature of man have just a wife, like when a man is clean shaven to take the nature of woman. I have full beard and am a man with sound male nature. There is no mistaking it for a woman, even when he is not facing you.

davidylan:

are you consulting a UN expert on the middle east crisis? 

No, I don't need to consult Ban-Ki Moon and his gang mates, who will look so depressed and detach themselves from talking to the press because of their overwhelming sadness. Yet the very next day, visits Israel and puts a cheerful smile at the PM. Sounds like hypocrisy?

Each time the quran talked of Jerusalem and the land of Israel . . . it ALWAYS mentioned the jews as the inhabitants . . . not ONCE does it acknowledge arabs being owners of Israel . . . yeah even your unreliable quran stands in testimony against you.

I laugh, where in the Koran does Allah say the owners of Israel? . Did the Koran acknowledge the Children of Israel having a land they settled into and called their own?

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] [b]out of the land [of Israel]:[/b] but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

So because Pharoah sought to scare them out of Egypt which you deceitfully now call Israel according to you. The land is Israel abi? This guy is the joker of the century. Did Israelites own any land? The land that Allah appointed for them was never gone into, for I remember reading clearly in the Quran that which states (Pardon me am quoting from my head): " And Moses said: O my people, enter the land through it's gates . . . and fight, they(the Israelites said) O Moses, we would not enter into this city unless the people therein go forth, not till then. Therefore, fight you and your God and we will stay here waiting. And Moses said: "My Lord thou knowest that I have control only over my brother (Aaron), therefore distinguish from we twin the wrong doers. Their Lord answered: "Your prayer is heard, they will go on and forth for 40 years bewildered, and choose not the path of the wrong doers".

What is written here may not be the exact text, because it's long that I listened to that part of the Koran, but I can tell you, that Allah never said the Israelites won and owned any land of theirs because they didn't want to die. Besides, you know that in your bible (which am not a master of Olabowale may help you) said the Israelites were meant to wonder on till eternity. . Are you now saying the fraudulent UN mandate of 1948 was God's decision for them to own a land? Be real we know that UN does not represent God in any form, the people there are composed of secularist, atheism, unbelievers, and perhaps some hypocrites that call themselves Muslims.

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

Yes, this is true, a good news to those who do good, which I pray God counts me with, and a warning to those who do wrong. That they would be chastised. The Former and present Israeli prime minsters are one example-- killing the gazans, and expanding unlawful settlements.

Ah so even allah knew this "land" that Frizy cant find? 

Allah knows All Things. If I can't find it, it's because He did not decree me to find it, but he who says he finds that is not there is hated. For he lies.

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

But did they not turn back? For citing this verse means you want to testify that the Koran says the truth. Therefore, because they turned away, and we know prophets speak on behalf of what God intends for the people, they will surely would have been overthrown and they will be. All at their loss. If Jesus comes back to earth, which some Muslims who have lost hope to overcome the "Kafaric regimes" and are waiting for Jesus to defend Islam and uproot kufr, he will surely settle the disputes between the Palestinians and Israeli, but don't come with that thought that he would defend people who only use the best of their might to greedily stave people, and bomb them, don't come and think that he would defend them. Nay, he would be rope with them.

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104]

Where were the "palestinians" all these while? 

So even the quran testifies AGAINST THESE LYING CROOKS? 

And you are asking me? Where have the Israelites being all this while? Why didn't they call Germany their home? Is it by labeling a city Israel around 1948 that affirms your faith that is existed before then? Davidi Nackson, ku ise.

Frizy i asked one simple question . . . are bethlehem, capernaum, judea, samaria, jerusalem, jericho . . . arab towns? when were they founded?

thank you.

As to the rest of your disgraceful drivel . . . i can only laugh. You are a deluded muslim . . . i'm sorry.

davidylan:

Frizy i asked one simple question . . . are bethlehem, capernaum, judea, samaria, jerusalem, jericho . . . arab towns? when were they founded?

While we cannot rule out that there are tiny bits of Jews in these lands, for example Jerusalem, the Muslims were the rulers centuries ago. And in fact, they were dominated by Muslims.

As to the rest of your disgraceful drivel . . . i can only laugh. You are a deluded muslim . . . i'm sorry.

Delusion, only appears so all within your eyes, the fact of the matter is, your own delusion is grave. You posted some Koranic verses to assume the Koran really implies the occupied Palestinian land is West bank, Jerusalem's East is solely for Israel. However, this is untrue. And if you have any Islamic teacher who says this, call him, or show his post. Don't think I would be in line the lobbyists, who prints fine printed paper material and says "The Palestinian, Israeli Conflict" by Jack Sparrow.

And accordingly, the writers of the bible most probably do it on purpose to ignore some people (the Ishamelites), that perhaps they may have no relevance to the scripture. They often do that. It's better you open your eyes to see what true is, than to sit down and allow people to feed you with information that would not profit you much in the afterlife. To come to my point, some Muslims think the Israeli people should just pack their baggage and return to Arizona, some think a "two state solution is just okay", and some careless about the situation for life now tells people "to face their own". In my opinion I think, they should just leave, let them go to Arizona, and improve the United States, because staying seem to bring more harm than good.

Frizy:

While we cannot rule out that there are tiny bits of Jews in these lands, for example Jerusalem, the Muslims were the rulers centuries ago. And in fact, they were dominated by Muslims.

these are really stupid lies dispelled by the heavy weight of history. What do you mean by "tiny bits of Jews in these lands"? I asked SPECIFICALLY . . . which parts of capernaum, Jerusalem, Samaria, Judea, Bethlehem, Jericho, Jordan . . . ARE ARAB BOTH IN NAME, HISTORY AND ORIGIN?

Please name 1.

What do you mean by Jerusalem was once ruled by moslems? you mean the islamic mauraders who conquered Jerusalem? So do the Romans and Turks also have a right to Jerusalem because LONG BEFORE and WELL AFTER muslims conquered Jerusalem THEY had been there? Infact the name Palestine was coined by the ROMAN EMPEROR HADRIAN!

Jerusalem was dominated by muslims? Where are they now? Why was this jerusalem a backwater under Jordanian rule from 1949 - 1967?

Frizy:

Delusion, only appears so all within your eyes, the fact of the matter is, your own delusion is grave. You posted some Koranic verses to assume the Koran really implies the occupied Palestinian land is West bank, Jerusalem's East is solely for Israel. However, this is untrue. And if you have any Islamic teacher who says this, call him, or show his post. Don't think I would be in line the lobbyists, who prints fine printed paper material and says "The Palestinian, Israeli Conflict" by Jack Sparrow.

Again more disgusting stupidity. Where in ALL those quranic verses was there any separation of jerusalem into the West Bank and the East? Infact was Jerusalem ONCE mentioned in ANY of those verses? Where in those verses did the quran talk of "occupied palestinian" land? Occupied by who and from whom? Was East Jerusalem "occupied" under Jordanian rule too?

Lord . . . reading from this infantile purveyors of LIES is such a nauseating experience.

@Davidylan: Please tell me when was the city of Jerusalem formed, incorporated? Please use a Prophet, or the Prophet that you think his era is closest to its incorporation. Or between the two prophets whose eras are before and after it was first formed. Or just give us a landmark in history when it was formed?

Aburo, I am testing your honesty to see if you think, with 100% certainty, or not that Jerusalem is a city formed by Israelites, the Children of Israel?

For a proper disclaimer: The father of the Children of Israel is Jacob. Jacob was named Israel! And before him, there was nothing known as Israel and definitely no Children of Israel/Israelites existed!

It is a well known fact that Father must always exist before Child or Children exist! There is no way that a child or children can exist before Jacob/Israel, himself!

And there is no child that exist at the same time as father! Heee eeeeeeehn, whats up Dr. (Davidylan)? Is it possible that Jesus, a son exist side by side with his Father, a god?

olabowale pls go and sit down, and i mean that with all due respect. your post above is synonymous with the usual islamic drivel that you get when you ask them specific questions.

We are all waiting for the initiative from the ''Muslim world''. Or is initiative only for America to show?

@Davidylan: Please go and stand up. I truly mean that. You denied that water bodies; lakes, rivers, ponds, Seas and Oceans dont look "murky" when the sun is setting on it! I am looking at Atlantic Ocean, right now. Its 5.13 Pm where I am. And the water is clear. When its about 8.29 pm, the approximated time they predict with some certainty that sun will set, I will look at the surface of the water.

I have done this now for almost a month, since I left Manhattan. Each even, when the sun is setting, I smiled and think about how wrong you are. I asked you to please experiment this out, for yourself, you refused. Yet you blindly deny the obvious!

I also now ask you to tell us who were the earliest inhabitants by just telling us if Jerusalem was founded by Abraham or by some people, long before he left Ur. You just can't let people rattle you out, eh? Well for your information: The Cannanites were ong alive in the so called Promised land, long time before father Abraham. And the Jebusites were living in Jerusalem before him, too!

It is a well known fact that Abraham warred with the Jebusites. It was in his return that he met Melchezdekeh, the King of "Salem", who prayed for him!

David, I use the google search engine which you are fund of using: I saw your information source, as one of the results of my humble question, "Who are the earliest inhabitants of Jerusalem?"

I also ignored the result as I asked another question: Was there a people who lived in Jerusalem, before Abraham?" You actually dislike the truth. Yet I love you like I will those people I truly love. I pray that you change before its too late!

Now, tackle my question, since you love to disproof Muslim's truth, just like the Jews love to disproof any truth in Christianity. At least the Gopel says that Jesus was a prophet. The jews deny this fact!

olabowale:

@Davidylan: Please go and stand up. I truly mean that. You denied that water bodies; lakes, rivers, ponds, Seas and Oceans dont look "murky" when the sun is setting on it! I am looking at Atlantic Ocean, right now. Its 5.13 Pm where I am. And the water is clear. When its about 8.29 pm, the approximated time they predict with some certainty that sun will set, I will look at the surface of the water.

I have done this now for almost a month, since I left Manhattan. Each even, when the sun is setting, I smiled and think about how wrong you are. I asked you to please experiment this out, for yourself, you refused. Yet you blindly deny the obvious!

I also now ask you to tell us who were the earliest inhabitants by just telling us if Jerusalem was founded by Abraham or by some people, long before he left Ur. You just can't let people rattle you out, eh? Well for your information: The Cannanites were ong alive in the so called Promised land, long time before father Abraham. And the Jebusites were living in Jerusalem before him, too!

It is a well known fact that Abraham warred with the Jebusites. It was in his return that he met Melchezdekeh, the King of "Salem", who prayed for him!

David, I use the google search engine which you are fund of using: I saw your information source, as one of the results of my humble question, "Who are the earliest inhabitants of Jerusalem?"

I also ignored the result as I asked another question: Was there a people who lived in Jerusalem, before Abraham?" You actually dislike the truth. Yet I love you like I will those people I truly love. I pray that you change before its too late!

Now, tackle my question, since you love to disproof Muslim's truth, just like the Jews love to disproof any truth in Christianity. At least the Gopel says that Jesus was a prophet. The jews deny this fact!

can someone make sense of this garbage pls?

David dont you read anymore? There is also live away from Google Search engine. Here, immediately below is where you got your information: People can read and come to their own conclustion(s);

Q, the Earliest Gospel: An Introduction to the Original Stories , - Google Books Resultby John S. Kloppenborg - 2008 - Religion - 184 pages
Jerusalem, Nazara, Capernaum, Bethsaida, , (Sodom) and of the rejection of the prophets (Jerusalem), sites where the Jesus people were rejected (Capernaum ,
books.google.com/books?isbn=0664232221,

Butyou forgot that there was live in these places before Abraham. Otherwise, his stinct would just have been like that of Hajar and Ismail, in Makka. Didn't Isaac marry a wife from some tribe other than the party of his father and mother?

Here is a better read that Abraham found people on the land, when he arrived from Ur of Iraq:

31.7665N, 35.2338EMay 28, 1999 , Before Abraham had his name changed by God, he was known as , The king and his men marched to Jerusalem to attack the Jebusites, who lived there. , Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will ,
www.visi.com/~nathan/xtian/jerusalem.html -