Are men born sinner ? The answer to this question will affect our attitude toward sin and change our conduct. If a christian believe he is born with a sinful nature, he is unlikely to view his sin as a serious crime as they really are. That's make holiness impossible, , he is not
likely to be concerned about sinning
against God. If he believes that God is
his Creator and that he has been
created with a sinful nature, this must
affect his attitude toward God and the
justice of God's dealings with man.

This thread will shows that the scripture doctrine of sin is that God has created man UPRIGHT, in spit of an upright nature, man CORRUPTED his OWN way:

Genesis 6:11,12
"The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth and
behold it was corrupt; for all flesh had CORRUPTED HIS WAY UPON THE EARTH ."

To "corrupt" means to make morally
depraved. It means to pervert what is
good and upright. It means to make
unclean what was once clean. It means to spoil what was once good and unspoiled. The word corrupt always implies a former state that was unspoiled, clean, good, or upright. It is never used to speak of the original created nature of man.It speaks of what man has become because of spoiling or perverting the nature with which he was created. Moral beings have never needed a sinful nature to make them sin.

The scripture does not say that in other for man to sin, man must have a sinful nature.
Ecclesiastes 7:29
"Lo, this only have I found, that God hath MADE MAN UPRIGHT ;but they have sought out many inventions" .

The above Scripture is very clear. God
has created men upright, but they have sinned in spite of an upright nature.

Man has all the faculties and powers of moral agency. He knows right from wrong. The law of God is written in his
heart. He is free and knows himself to be free and able to obey the law of
God. His conscience approves his right conduct and condemns his wrong conduct. The law of God is writing in his heart. His conscience approves his right conduct and condemns his wrong conduct. He has the same moral consciousness of a standard of right and wrong as any man who knows the Scripture (Romans 2: 14-15).

An atheists lady reply me in the thread created by Johnny , she wrote ;

"What did your Bible say that caused
women painful labour during child birth
That eve was coursed for eating apples
and by implication all women should
labour to the point of death to birth
children"

In the book of Romans,Paul makes it clear that, although Adam and Eve committed the first sin, we are guilty on the basis of our own sin:

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man
sin entered into the world, and death
through sin, and so death spread to
all men, BECAUSE ALL SINNED.

What the original sin did was to cause
the human race to fall into the practice
of sin.We are born to imperfect parents,
whose sin negatively influences us. We
become accustomed to committing "minor" sins without regard to their
negative impact on our lives and the lives of others. However,God,in His love, provided the means by which all people could become completely righteous before Him,thus inheriting eternal life.

right and wrong are first truths of reason, self-evident truths derived or given to us from our nature and
relations as moral beings, and not from the philosophy, teaching, or will of the society. What is the chances of an illiterate man committing evil than an educated man? educated person was more likely to do good than an illiterate one, that a Ph.D. graduate would be less likely to kill, harm, maim and destroy
than a poor, are lies from the pit of hell.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Milosevic and the entire slew of other murderers of the 20th century have all given the lie to these fantasies about human morality and rectitude. One-third of all of the commandants of the Nazi death camps held either a Ph.D. or M.D. degree. Man, left to his own reason, will
not choose right. Reason, by itself, is death and destruction, oppressive theories and murderous social engineering.

With due respect, I'd like to say that the concept of original sin is unrealistic and unjust.

Almighty God who created us Has the knowledge of everything. He created us and gave us rules and regulations to follow. Sin is simply going against the commandment of God Almighty. Just as Adam and Eve committed sin by going against the commandment of God, so also every human being who goes against the commandments of God has committed an sin. Death is not a consequence of sin but it is a sure reality which will overcome every creature in this world. God Who created the heaven and hell knows why He created them. Think about it, if we don't die, how are we going to be judged? It's absolutely obvious that the outcome of the judgement is what will differentiate the dwellers of the heaven from those of hell. If the heaven and the hell are going to be the final destinations, then we all need to ask ourselves what the real purpose of our creation is...

No doubt everyone of us want to go to the heaven and the only way we can do that is to worship God Almighty our Creator alone and follow HIs commandments. The only way we commit sin is because satan the accursed creeps into our hearts and always tend to make us go against the commandments of God. That's why when we commit a sin, we need to repent and turn back to our Creator because He's the only One Who can forgive us and save us from satan. If you flash back, that's the same thing Adam and Eve did and God Almighty Who is The All Forgiving, The Merciful forgave them. He will always forgive us as long as we fall back to Him in sincere repentance... At this point, I'd like to rest my case.

For those who are really sincerely searching for the truth about the essence of our creation and looking for answers as regards some disturbing issues, kindly consult the Last and Final Revelation sent to the whole of humanity by God Almighty (The Noble Quran) through His Last and Final Prophet and Messenger (Prophet MUhammad, Peace Be upon him).

It's highly important to note that there is no compulsion in religion but at the same time, there's no harm in seeking for knowledge even if it's about what you don't believe in.

Forget about how some unfortunate people try to paint Islam black, you just open the book and look sincerely into it and I pray you find your answers and guidance.

Good luck to you all and God bless..

habicab:
With due respect, I'd like to say that the concept of original sin is unrealistic and unjust.

Almighty God who created us Has the knowledge of everything. He created us and gave us rules and regulations to follow. Sin is simply going against the commandment of God Almighty. Just as Adam and Eve committed sin by going against the commandment of God, so also every human being who goes against the commandments of God has committed an sin. Death is not a consequence of sin but it is a sure reality which will overcome every creature in this world. God Who created the heaven and hell knows why He created them. Think about it, if we don't die, how are we going to be judged? It's absolutely obvious that the outcome of the judgement is what will differentiate the dwellers of the heaven from those of hell. If the heaven and the hell are going to be the final destinations, then we all need to ask ourselves what the real purpose of our creation is...

No doubt everyone of us want to go to the heaven and the only way we can do that is to worship God Almighty our Creator alone and follow HIs commandments. The only way we commit sin is because satan the accursed creeps into our hearts and always tend to make us go against the commandments of God. That's why when we commit a sin, we need to repent and turn back to our Creator because He's the only One Who can forgive us and save us from satan. If you flash back, that's the same thing Adam and Eve did and God Almighty Who is The All Forgiving, The Merciful forgave them. He will always forgive us as long as we fall back to Him in sincere repentance... At this point, I'd like to rest my case.

Agreed.

Rilwayne001:
Malvisguy and copy and paste, you should put your source at least.

You copied the whole thread from here http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/original_sin.html and you then edited to make it seem as if you wrote it yourself.. hehehe

Original sin ko, original BS ni..

alright.

Malvisguy212.

According to your religion, are men born sinners?
Yes or no, pick one

urheme:
Malvisguy212.
According to your religion, are men born sinners? Yes or no, pick one

men are not born sinner.

malvisguy212:
men are not born sinner.

That is what johnydon was trying to tell you

urheme:


That is what johnydon was trying to tell you

yes, but his thread was an attack to christians.

malvisguy212:
men are not born sinner.

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- romans 5;12

Rilwayne001:
Malvisguy and copy and paste, you should put your source at least.

You copied the whole thread from here http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/original_sin.html and you then edited to make it seem as if you wrote it yourself.. hehehe

Original sin ko, original BS ni..

no wonder no grammatical blunders

what was now the purpose of your god's murder on the stick

tartar9:
no wonder no grammatical blunders

tartar9:
no wonder no grammatical blunders

tartar9:
no wonder no grammatical blunders

tartar9:
what was now the purpose of your god's murder on the stick

Christ challenged the leadership and religion of his generation, he grossly conderm their atrocities and fraud, the religious burden they placed on the mass, the deceit, the tax system, the business being conducted in the churches and the fake priest who is busy robbing the people off their cows and personal eFfect.

They saw him as adverse to their progress.....he was simply eliminated.......he did not died to give you a religion but to free you from religion.

This should please your soul

winner01:
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- romans 5;12

through Adam sin enter the world, the verse was NOT saying men inherit Adam sin.

malvisguy212:
through Adam sin enter the world, the verse was NOT saying men inherit Adam sin.

Men inherited sin through Adam.

winner01:
Men inherited sin through Adam.

alright.

tartar9:
what was now the purpose of your god's murder on the stick

Romans 5:18-19
18 Therefore as by the offence of one
judgment came upon all men to
condemnation; even so by the
righteousness of one the free gift came
upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience
many were made sinners, so by the
obedience of one shall many be made
righteous.

The verse was not saying man inherit adam sin, the verse was saying "one man disobedience" sin ENTER the world. And one man obedience, the forgiveness of sin came.