This is the meaning of this Latin phrase ever so beloved by Catholics; extra ecclesiam nulla salus

The word 'church' simply means 'the called out', the saints and believers

Acts 2:47 (KJV)
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Ephesians 5:23 (KJV)
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Colossians 1:17-18 (KJV)
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

The term church sometimes refer to a local assembly of believers;
1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV)
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

This is the biblical definition of the word 'church'

If Catholics mean the biblical definition when they apply the term in their phrase, we have a problem.

It's like saying there are no Muslims outside Islam, or there are no Christians outside Christianity. This is self-evident so it is meaningless.

Do Catholics mean all true believers regardless of the denomination? You guessed right, they don't; they mean the Roman Catholic Church headed by the Pope. So they are saying non-Catholics regardless of their beliefs are damned. Salvation is only found in the 'one true church' and that is Catholicism. If you are not a Catholic, you are damned.

Is this farfetched? Let's consult their literature;

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved......" ~~~Pope Innocent III, Lateran Council, 1215AD

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff [the pope].” ~~~Pope Boniface VIII,Unam Sanctam,1308AD

"It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart ‘into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matt. 25:41), unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock… ” ~~~Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino, 1441

"Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council [Vatican II] teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation…” ~~~~Catechism of the Catholic Church, #846

In short, one needs Roman Catholicism membership to get to heaven. Of course it will be noted that the Catechism uses somewhat softer language but nonetheless maintains RCC is NECESSARY for salvation. This is not mean that all Catholics are saved but rather only faithful Catholics can be or are saved.

But there is exception to the rule that salvation lies only with the Catholic Church;

Catechism of Catholic Church (CCC) #847

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

This makes sense and is supported by scriptures;

Acts 17:26-27 (KJV)
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

Romans 1:18-20 (KJV)
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

There are some people who have not and who will never hear about Christ all their life. How can they be condemned over their ignorance.

But please note, this is the exception in Catholicism to the rule that salvation is found only among Catholics. The non-Catholics are still lost

Why does Roman Catholicism imagine itself to the the only true church?

1. They believe they have all the sacraments(baptism,Eucharist and confession to a priest)
2. They believe they have the 'sacred tradition'
3. They believe they have a leader, a pope who unifies people, and is a product of apostolic succession
4. They believe Catholicism has the 'four marks of a true church' and therefore it possesses 'fullness of the truth'

Next, we will examine each of these claims separately

vooks:
Why does Roman Catholicism imagine itself to the the only true church?

1. They believe they have all the sacraments(baptism,Eucharist and confession to a priest)
2. They believe they have the 'sacred tradition'
3. They believe they have a leader, a pope who unifies people, and is a product of apostolic succession
4. They believe Catholicism has the 'four marks of a true church' and therefore it possesses 'fullness of the truth'

Next, we will examine each of these claims separately

Hey vooks!do you read the gnostics and all other early books not included in the bible?

dukum:


Hey vooks!do you read the gnostics and all other early books not included in the bible?

Not really, unless it's necessary

vooks:
This is the meaning of this Latin phrase ever so beloved by Catholics; extra ecclesiam nulla salus

The word 'church' simply means 'the called out', the saints and believers

Acts 2:47 (KJV)
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Ephesians 5:23 (KJV)
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Colossians 1:17-18 (KJV)
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

The term church sometimes refer to a local assembly of believers;
1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV)
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

This is the biblical definition of the word 'church'

Biblical definition of Church?

But amigos, where in the bible is the Church defined?

There you go again, pulling stuff out of your axss .

plaetton:


Biblical definition of Church?

But amigos, where in the bible is the Church defined?

There you go again, pulling stuff out of your axss .

M0ron, look up the USAGE

vooks:
Why does Roman Catholicism imagine itself to the the only true church?

1. They believe they have all the sacraments(baptism,Eucharist and confession to a priest)
2. They believe they have the 'sacred tradition'
3. They believe they have a leader, a pope who unifies people, and is a product of apostolic succession
4. They believe Catholicism has the 'four marks of a true church' and therefore it possesses 'fullness of the truth'

Next, we will examine each of these claims separately

The Roman Catholic Church is not the only true church.

They are THE CHURCH.

All others are simply her wayward and dysfunctional children.

They wrote the program.
They direct the program.
Only they know the program codes.

You don't, and will never understand.

vooks:

Not really, unless it's necessary

Ok good, if i may ask;why do you read them and do you believe in what they say?

plaetton:


The Roman Catholic Church is not the only true church.

They are THE CHURCH.

All others are simply her wayward and dysfunctional children.

They wrote the program.
They direct the program.
Only they know the program codes.

You don't, and will never understand.

I will never understand how evolution left you behind

plaetton:


The Roman Catholic Church is not the only true church.

They are THE CHURCH.

All others are simply her wayward and dysfunctional children.

They wrote the program.
They direct the program.
Only they know the program codes.

You don't, and will never understand.

Exactly bro. That's the simple truth.

dukum:


Ok good, if i may ask;why do you read them and do you believe in what they say?

I read them out of interest. I don't believe in them as such

ifenes:


Exactly bro. That's the simple truth.

Crybaby M0ron, who dumped you this time, mami wata?

vooks:
Why does Roman Catholicism imagine itself to the the only true church?

1. They believe they have all the sacraments(baptism,Eucharist and confession to a priest)
2. They believe they have the 'sacred tradition'
3. They believe they have a leader, a pope who unifies people, and is a product of apostolic succession
4. They believe Catholicism has the 'four marks of a true church' and therefore it possesses 'fullness of the truth'

Next, we will examine each of these claims separately

They compiled the book knowing there will be gullible humans like you in future. Either way you are still a puppet to their ideology.

ifenes:


They compiled the book knowing there will be gullible humans like you in future. Either way you are still a puppet to their ideology.

Idiot,
There was no Catholicism in 400AD.
There was no immaculate conception, nor confession to a priest, nor rosary, nor nothing

vooks:


Idiot,
There was no Catholicism in 400AD.
There was no immaculate conception, nor confession to a priest, nor rosary, nor nothing

Neither was there a Jesus story.

vooks:

I read them out of interest. I don't believe in them as such

Ok good again,u dont believe them as such because they were never included in the bible( i guess),the bible that was put together 'as we know it' by the church u are always trying to paint as satanist and condeming where possible nd dnt tell me about martin luther he was a catholic priest too(tho he left)......so except u want to throw away the bible too and start believing in all other written text not included in the bible.....live everything to God.....let him be the judge.Nobody knows it all.

vooks:
Why does Roman Catholicism imagine itself to the the only true church?

1. They believe they have all the sacraments(baptism,Eucharist and confession to a priest)
2. They believe they have the 'sacred tradition'
3. They believe they have a leader, a pope who unifies people, and is a product of apostolic succession
4. They believe Catholicism has the 'four marks of a true church' and therefore it possesses 'fullness of the truth'

Next, we will examine each of these claims separately

Look at you.

Look what you spend your time arguing and promoting on this forum.

My crap beliefs are better than the other crap beliefs.
Jack in the Beans Stalk is truer than Snow White.
Superman is better than Batman,
Santa Claus is More real than the Toothfairy. etc.

What manner of delusions do you guys suffer?

@Vooks I dare you read other books and see if you will not become an unbeliever. I can be of help to you if you want

Sir vooks , please ignore them and continue . They dont want you to pay attention to the thread

KingEbukasBlog:
Sir vooks , please ignore them and continue . They dont want you to pay attention to the thread

He should continue throwing stones when he lives in a glass house abi?

plaetton:


Look at you.

Look what you spend your time arguing and promoting on this forum.

My crap beliefs are better than the other crap beliefs.
Jack in the Beans Stalk is truer than Snow White.
Superman is better Batman,
Santa Claus is More real than the Toothfairy. etc.

What manner of delusions do you guys suffer?

He is doing rightly so . And please step aside , its time for the Catholics

KingEbukasBlog:


He is doing rightly so . And please step aside , its time for the Catholics

You mean, it's time to bash Catholics.
Right?

But why is a religious mind always insecure in it's beliefs?

What is it about a religious mind that is always uncomfortable with beliefs of others?

Look at Sunni/Shi'ite wahala.
Catholic / protestant/Orthodox wahala.
White garment/ Pentecostal wahala, etc etc.

Don't you see that religion is a disease of the mind ?

plaetton:


Don't you see that religion is a disease of the mind ?

plaetton:


You know, if ufology was a religion, it would still make a lot more sense than Christianity.
.

Religion is a disease of the mind yet ufology if it were a religion it would make a lot more sense than Christianity

Anti- Christianity

There is no tangible evidence for aliens and as you claim there is no evidence for God but ufology as a religion- the supposed worship of aliens as gods -makes more sense

I just dey look you

This God-hate is real

KingEbukasBlog:



Religion is a disease of the mind yet ufology if it were a religion it would make a lot more sense than Christianity

Anti- Christianity

There is no tangible evidence for aliens and as you claim there is no evidence for God but ufology - the supposed worship of aliens as gods -makes more sense

I just dey look you

This God-hate is real

Half wit should be considered a mental handicap.

Did you say that ufology is the worship of aliens as gods ?
Where did you pull that from,.your axss? Again?

What is your definition of tangible evidence?
Pls let me know.

plaetton:


You mean, it's time to bash Catholics.
Right?

But why is a religious mind always insecure in it's beliefs?

What is it about a religious mind that is always uncomfortable with beliefs of others?

Look at Sunni/Shi'ite wahala.
Catholic / protestant/Orthodox wahala.
White garment/ Pentecostal wahala, etc etc.

Don't you see that religion is a disease of the mind ?

The bible tells us that people wont heed to sound doctrine . The bible also talked about fake prophets . Now these fake prophets create their own doctrine brain washing the credulous masses with their spurious doctrine . And off course everyone wants to serve God his own way resulting to schisms even in the Church - doctrinal difference .

Christ is coming for a church - a body of believers - not a denomination or the Catholic church claim

1 Corinthians 12:13

13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

You need to be sat down and be schooled . Gosh ! You are filled with so much misconceptions . I feel sorry for you sometimes

plaetton:


Half wit should be considered a mental handicap.

Did you say that ufology is the worship of aliens as gods ?
Where did you pull that from,.your axss? Again?

I said "supposed" and I meant ufology as a religion . So can you lecture me on ufology as a religion if it does not involve the worship of aliens as gods . Before you start here is a definition of religion

1.the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

2. a particular system of faith and worship.

So sir , you may now proceed .

What is your definition of tangible evidence?
Pls let me know.

Let no conspiracy theory about aliens befuddle you . There is no generally accepted evidence for aliens - that's what tangible evidence is .

KingEbukasBlog:


I said "supposed" and I meant ufology as a religion . So can you lecture me on ufology as a religion if it does not involve the worship of aliens as gods . Before you start here is a definition of religion

1.the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

2. a particular system of faith and worship.

So sir , you may now proceed .



Let no conspiracy theory about aliens befuddle you . There is no generally accepted evidence for aliens - that's what tangible evidence is .

In said ufology would make a lot more sense than Christianity, even it was considered a religion.
At least ufology deals the 99% mathematical probability that other, more evolved and more technologically advanced life forms exists within the totality of the universe.

Now, if you and Vooks want me post evidences that support the existence of advanced extraterrestrial life, I will open a thread specifically for that purpose,..starting with your holy Bible.

plaetton:


In said ufology would make a lot more sense than Christianity, even it was considered a religion.
At least ufology deals the 99% mathematical probability that other, more evolved and more technologically advanced life forms exists within the totality of the universe.

There is also a 100 percent mathematical probability an intelligent creator exists outside the universe .

Now, if you and Vooks want me post evidences that support the existence of advanced extraterrestrial life, I will open a thread specifically for that purpose,..starting with your holy Bible.

You mean cherry picking with one or two verses of the bible ? Sure why not .

KingEbukasBlog:


There is also a 100 percent mathematical probability an intelligent creator exists outside the universe .


You mean cherry picking with one or two verses of the bible ? Sure why not .

You're the one who cherrypicks what and what not to believe in Your bible.

It's your bible.
You believe that God either wrote it or dictated it.

Your bible says in simple language that non humans, beings not from Earth, came here and did stuff.
If you don't believe in that, then I am the one who has the laugh.

plaetton:


You're the one who cherrypicks what and what not to believe in Your bible.

It's your bible.
You believe that God either wrote it or dictated it.

Your bible says in simple language that non humans, beings not from Earth, came here and did stuff.
If you don't believe in that, then I am the one who has the laugh.

The bible says that the Trinity , with angels as witnesses , created the earth and its inhabitants - life on earth .

Will it pass

Let us create man in our own image - Engineering the DNA of hominids

God walking through the Garden of Eden - Alien beings looking for gold

Ezekiel's visions - Alien Invasions and some sort of manifestation

Christ being born of a virgin - Artificial Insemination to bring forth an alien-human hybrid

The angels who told the shepherd of the birth of Christ - Alien Invasion

Christ's resurrection and ascension - Superior technology to reverse death and alighting into his alien ship by elevation

Anything new ?

Nwanne hapu that thing . I might end up schooling you on your weak theory