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Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by JuicyGee(f): 10:25pm On Feb 20, 2016
[b] It is not the purpose of this answer to present a scientific argument in the creation vs. evolution debate. For scientific arguments for creation and/or against evolution, we highly recommend Answers in Genesis and the Institute for Creation Research. The purpose of this article is to explain why, according to the Bible, the creation vs. evolution debate even exists.

Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.”


A key factor in the creation vs. evolution debate is that the majority of scientists who believe in evolution are also atheists or agnostics. There are some who hold to some form of theistic evolution and others who take a deistic view of God (God exists but is not involved in the world, and everything proceeds along a natural course). There are some who genuinely and honestly look at the data and arrive at the conclusion that evolution better fits with the data. However, these represent an insignificant percentage of the scientists who advocate evolution. The vast majority of evolutionary scientists hold that life evolved entirely without any intervention of a higher being.

Evolution is by definition a naturalistic science.


For atheism to be true, there must be an alternate explanation—other than a Creator—for how the universe and life came into existence. Although belief in some form of evolution predated Charles Darwin, he was the first to develop a plausible model for the process of evolution—natural selection. Darwin once identified himself as a Christian but as a result of some tragedies that took place in his life, he later renounced the Christian faith and the existence of God. Evolution was invented by an atheist. Darwin's goal was not to disprove God's existence, but that is one of the end results of the theory of evolution. Evolution is an enabler of atheism. Evolutionary scientists likely would not admit that their goal is to give an alternate explanation of the origins of life, and thereby to give a foundation for atheism, but according to the Bible, that is exactly why the theory of evolution exists.

The Bible tells us, “The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'” ( Psalm 14:1; 53:1). The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in a Creator God. “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” ( Romans 1:20). According to the Bible, anyone who denies the existence of God is a fool. Why, then, are so many people, including some Christians, willing to accept that evolutionary scientists are unbiased interpreters of scientific data? According to the Bible, they are all fools! Foolishness does not imply a lack of intelligence. Most evolutionary scientists are brilliant intellectually. Foolishness indicates an inability to properly apply knowledge. Proverbs 1:7tells us, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.”
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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by JuicyGee(f): 10:28pm On Feb 20, 2016
[b] Evolutionary scientists mock creation and/or intelligent design as unscientific and not worthy of scientific examination. In order for something to be considered a “science,” they argue, it must be able to be observed and tested; it must be “naturalistic.” Creation is by definition “supernatural.” God and the supernatural cannot be observed or tested (so the argument goes); therefore, creation and/or intelligent design cannot be considered science. Of course, neither can evolution be observed or tested, but that does not seem to be an issue with evolutionists. As a result, all data is filtered through the preconceived, presupposed, and pre-accepted theory of evolution, without alternate explanations being considered.
However, the origin of the universe and the origin of life cannot be tested or observed. Both creation and evolution are faith-based systems in regards to origins. Neither can be tested because we cannot go back billions (or thousands) of years to observe the origin of the universe or of life in the universe.


Evolutionary scientists reject creation on grounds that would logically force them to also reject evolution as a scientific explanation of origins. Evolution, at least in regard to origins, does not fit the definition of “science” any more than creation does. Evolution is supposedly the only explanation of origins that can be tested; therefore, it is the only theory of origins that can be considered “scientific.” This is foolishness! Scientists who advocate evolution are rejecting a plausible theory of origins without even honestly examining its merits, because it does not fit their illogically narrow definition of “science.”
If creation is true, then there is a Creator to whom we are accountable. Evolution is an enabler for atheism. Evolution gives atheists a basis for explaining how life exists apart from a Creator God. Evolution denies the need for a God to be involved in the universe. Evolution is the “creation theory” for the religion of atheism.

According to the Bible, the choice is clear. We can believe the Word of our omnipotent and omniscient God, or we can believe the illogically biased, “scientific” explanations of fools.

Culled from gotquestions.com
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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by JuicyGee(f): 11:10pm On Feb 20, 2016
Were there cavemen or prehistoric men?

The Bible does not use the term “caveman” or “Neanderthals,” and according to the Bible there is no such thing as “prehistoric” man. The term “prehistoric” means “belonging to the era before recorded history.” It presupposes that the biblical account is merely a fabrication, because the book of Genesis records events which precede the creation of man (namely, the first five days of creation—man was created on the sixth day). The Bible is clear that Adam and Eve were perfect humans from the time of their creation and did not evolve from lower life forms.

With that said, the Bible does describe a period of traumatic upheaval upon the earth—the flood ( Genesis 6-9), during which time civilization was utterly destroyed except for eight people. Humanity was forced to start over. It is in this historical context that some scholars believe men lived in caves and made use of stone tools. These men were not primitive; they were simply destitute. And they certainly were not half ape. The fossil evidence is quite clear: cavemen were human—men who lived in caves.

There are some fossilized ape remains which Darwinian paleo-anthropologists interpret as being some sort of transition between ape and men. Most people seem to think of these interpretations when they imagine cavemen. They picture furry half-men, half-ape creatures crouched in a cave next to a fire, drawing on the walls with their newly developed stone tools. This is a common misconception. And as far as Darwinian paleo-anthropology goes, we should keep in mind that these interpretations reflect a peculiar worldview and are not the result of the evidence. In fact, not only is there major opposition to these interpretations within the academic community, the Darwinists themselves do not entirely agree with each other on the details.

Unfortunately, the popular mainstream view promotes this idea that man and ape both evolved from the same ancestor, but this is certainly not the only plausible interpretation of the available evidence. In fact, the evidence in favor of this particular interpretation is lacking.


When God created Adam and Eve, they were fully developed human beings, capable of communication, society, and development ( Genesis 2:19-25; 3:1-20; 4:1-12). It is almost entertaining to consider the lengths evolutionary scientists go to prove the existence of prehistoric cavemen. They find a misshapen tooth in a cave and from that create a misshapen human being who lived in a cave, hunched over like an ape.
There is no way that science can prove the existence of cavemen by a fossil. Evolutionary scientists simply have a theory, and then they force the evidence to fit the theory. Adam and Eve were the first human beings ever created and were fully-formed, intelligent, and upright.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Niflheim(m): 1:41am On Feb 21, 2016
These are the kinds of posts that should never be exposed to young teenagers(the future of Nigeria), for it may cause them to lose their grip of reality!!! But then on the flip side, it is better to expose such material for what it is.....................a lamentable commentary that exposes various levels of ignorance!!!

1."For scientific arguments for creation blah blah blah"..................There are actually none!!!

2.The answers in genesis website is run by a fraudster.

3.Romans 1:25 has absolutely no truth of any god.

4."Worshiped and served created things".................Rubbish!!! There are no such things as created things, only reassembly of pre-existing matter into new forms.

5."For atheism to be true blah blah blah"................................Christianity,like all other religiions have always had the chance to provide proofs of their gods, and they have failed, and yet they can still come out and say this in public?

6.Evolution was invented by an atheist".............Wrong!!! Nonsense!!! Unless you are saying that all species on earth were created by an atheist!!!

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by nobilis: 8:47am On Feb 21, 2016
OP are you for real
You've written all these things and you feel u are making sense.
I just have two questions for you:

1. Who was Cain's wife and where did she come from?
2. How did the different races of the world emanate from one single man?

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by JuicyGee(f): 11:06am On Feb 21, 2016
nobilis:
OP are you for real
You've written all these things and you feel u are making sense.
I just have two questions for you:

1. Who was Cain's wife and where did she come from?
2. How did the different races of the world emanate from one single man?
@Niflheim @nobilis Before i answer your question, Do you believe in God?
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by K9blunt(f): 11:42am On Feb 21, 2016
JuicyGee:

@Niflheim @nobilis Before i answer your question, Do you believe in God?

Just typical of theist. Answer his question weather he believes in god or not.

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by ValentineMary(m): 11:56am On Feb 21, 2016
Over time I have discovered that people who don't understand what evolution is are mostly the ones who come out and say that evolution is rubbish. OP you need a biology text book.

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by JuicyGee(f): 12:23pm On Feb 21, 2016
K9blunt:


Just typical of theist. Answer his question weather he believes in god or not.
If he doesn't believe in God, how then can he believe in the bible?
I asked that for clarity and to understand where he was coming from. Apparently you guys don't believe in God.

The problem with atheist/science is that it uses empirical, testable and demonstrable protocols to prove or disprove the existence things. God cannot be proved in this way, cos He is not of this world, God is a supernatural being beyond human comprehension.

Lets take thought for example, a thought has never been seen, much less fully understood. But we all know thoughts are real and exists. So, the absence of something observable doesnt mean it doesnt exists.

With that said. Adam and Eve surely had given birth to more children than just Cain and Abel at the time Abel was killed.
The fact that cain was scared for his own life after he killed Abel indicates that they were many children and perhaps even grandchildren of Adam and Eve already living at that time.
Cain's wife was a daughter or granddaughter of Adam and Eve.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by JuicyGee(f): 12:46pm On Feb 21, 2016
Replying the second question.
How did different races come from one man.

Now Share with me this write-up and also looking at it in the light of the bible.

Skin shade is governed by multiple genes and is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity, assume for a moment that there are only two. Genes come in pairs of pairs. During reproduction, half of the genes passed on to the offspring come from each parent. For this discussion, let’s assign the letters “A” and “B” to the genes that code for large amounts of melanin—the brown-colored pigment in everyone’s skin. We’ll also use the letters “a” and “b” to designate the genes for small amounts of melanin.
In very dark-skinned people groups, individuals carry AABB genes and only produce dark-skinned offspring. In very light-skinned people groups, individuals carry aabb genes and only produce light-skinned offspring.
If a male and female from each group mate and produce a child, the combination of their AABB and aabb genes would give rise to a child who carries the AaBb genes for melanin and would be “middle brown” in skin shade. Now, if two people carrying the AaBb genes got married and reproduced, their children could have a wide rage of skin colors.
If Adam and Eve were both middle brown (AaBb), they would have produced children with a wide range of tones. Suddenly, all of us being one race doesn’t seem so complicated.



[b] Okay, so that explains the different skin tones, but how did different people groups come to be divided as they are now?

Again, we can find the answer in the Bible. Division
In Genesis 11, our ancestors refused to obey God’s command to spread out and fill the earth. Instead, they started building a monument to their insolence—you probably know it as the Tower of Babel. God judged our ancestor’s disobedience by imposing different languages on them by their family groups. This language confusion forced them to scatter over the earth as God intended.
Eventually they congregated with others who shared a common language, and instantaneous barriers were set up in the gene pool. Not only would people tend not to marry someone they couldn’t understand, but entire groups that spoke the same language would have difficulty relating to and trusting those they did not understand. These people groups then moved away or were forced away from each other into different parts of the world.
The dispersion at Babel broke the large interbreeding group of humanity into smaller groups with less genetic variability. Each group had different mixes of genes for various physical features. All sorts of factors modified the frequency of certain combinations of genes, causing a tendency for specific characteristics to dominate. In other words, kids and grandkids shared the same basic genes their ancestors took with them from Babel.


Breaking It Down
So, what’s the bottom line? The Bible tells us, and genetics confirms that we’re all descendants of Adam and Eve. No matter the color of our skin, we’re one race . . . but this also means we are all sinners, like our first parents, and all in need of the gospel in Jesus Christ. [/b]
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Niflheim(m): 4:19pm On Feb 21, 2016
7."Neither has Evolution ever been observed".......................Please, tell me you are joking, so you have never seen rats in swampy areas that eventually develop webbed feet?

8."Both creation and evolution are faith based systems"...........................It has been repeated over 1,000 times, you must have some serious issues to be repeating this again. Evolution does not, and I repeat, does not address the origin of the Earth or the origin of life!!! It simply talks about Modification with common descent over time!!!

9."Scientists are rejecting a plausible theory without examining it's merits".................................That is because creationism(just like cretinism), has no merits!!!

10."Evolution is an enabler of atheism".............................Ha ha ha ha ha!!! This is really ridiculous!!! Did you study Food and Nutrition in secondary school? Does Food and Nutrition make any mention of god? Then I guess that Food and Nutrition also promotes Atheism, and your Food and Nutrition teachers are also atheists!!! When you studied Economics and Mathematics in school, how many times did they mention god in your text books?!!

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by CoolUsername: 5:02pm On Feb 21, 2016
I like the fact that you said that you're not presenting a scientific case for this scientific argument but still went ahead to call those in support of the scientific model fools. You're just as God intended.

God created world in 6 days, but we have planets millions of light years away. Why? To mess with us? Then good job!

There was a flood 4,000 years ago, there are two ways to go about this:
1. Lie that somehow the ark was able to take two representatives all the unclean land species and SEVEN representatives of all the clean ones. There are 6 million species of land animals, mind you; we have the complete specs of the ark.

2. Lie that 'created kinds' don't equate to species but instead, genera, families, or even orders to beat the number down from over 12 million animals to between 2,000 and 50,000 animals.

As it is, you can fit them into the ark, but that means you're implying that 2,000 - 50,000 animals branched into 6 million species somehow in 4,000 years. Then you turn around and say that man and ape couldn't have branched from a common ancestor millions of years ago.

None of these failed attempts can tell us how kangaroos were able to make it from the Middle East to Australia.

But I'm still the fool because gawd.

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Nobody: 5:55pm On Feb 21, 2016
**Sighs**



The ignorance displayed by some people is amazing. Let me reiterate: Evolution has nothing, I repeat nothing, to do with religion or disblief.

The main bulk of Theists who are scientists do accept Evolution as Scientifically Valid.(Leakey himself was a Catholic). It doesn't serve for one to dwell in a pit of ignorance and speak rubbish.

C'mon!!!!

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Psylas(m): 12:18am On Feb 22, 2016
I was here!

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Fadman4real(m): 5:30am On Feb 22, 2016
Niflheim:
7."Neither has Evolution ever been observed".......................Please, tell me you are joking, so you have never seen rats in swampy areas that eventually develop webbed feet?

That is called micro evolution, to this day there is no proof of macro evolution, the changing from one creature to another which is the basis of evolution


8."Both creation and evolution are faith based systems"...........................It has been repeated over 1,000 times, you must have some serious issues to be repeating this again. Evolution does not, and I repeat, does not address the origin of the Earth or the origin of life!!! It simply talks about Modification with common descent over time!!!
And what does that mean, there is no concrete evidence for evolution, till this day despite the great strides we have made in science and technology, evolutionarists av still not been able to create life despite claiming to know all the compounds.

You want us to believe that if I place a big bowl of garri in empty space after some billion years the garri would become an organism.

If evolution was true, the other planets around us are almost the same age with us I guess, so why is there nothing as regard to evolution happening there.


9."Scientists are rejecting a plausible theory without examining it's merits".................................That is because creationism(just like cretinism), has no merits!!!

The greatest merit of creationalosm is you and I (humans). If evolution were in anyway true, how come we are so distinct from other animals, we have emotions, unparalleled intelligence, we are highly creative. Am supposed to believe we inherited all that from a creature that looks like an ape which also fathered the apes. Such high level of fiction, I am earnestly waiting for an evolution movie to av some sci-fi fun in d cinemas.


10."Evolution is an enabler of atheism".............................Ha ha ha ha ha!!! This is really ridiculous!!! Did you study Food and Nutrition in secondary school? Does Food and Nutrition make any mention of god? Then I guess that Food and Nutrition also promotes Atheism, and your Food and Nutrition teachers are also atheists!!! When you studied Economics and Mathematics in school, how many times did they mention god in your text books?!!

Most atheists ascribe to evolution theory as their base, some do not but definitely evolution has helped atheism cause.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Fadman4real(m): 5:32am On Feb 22, 2016
SirWere:
**Sighs**



The ignorance displayed by some people is amazing. Let me reiterate: Evolution has nothing, I repeat nothing, to do with religion or disblief.

The main bulk of Theists who are scientists do accept Evolution as Scientifically Valid.(Leakey himself was a Catholic). It doesn't serve for one to dwell in a pit of ignorance and speak rubbish.

C'mon!!!!

So been a scientist makes you infallible?
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Fadman4real(m): 5:46am On Feb 22, 2016
CoolUsername:
I like the fact that you said that you're not presenting a scientific case for this scientific argument but still went ahead to call those in support of the scientific model fools. You're just as God intended.

God created world in 6 days, but we have planets millions of light years away. Why? To mess with us? Then good job!

Maybe you don't understand that light years mean distance not time.

There was a flood 4,000 years ago, there are two ways to go about this:
1. Lie that somehow the ark was able to take two representatives all the unclean land species and SEVEN representatives of all the clean ones. There are 6 million species of land animals, mind you; we have the complete specs of the ark.


2. Lie that 'created kinds' don't equate to species but instead, genera, families, or even orders to beat the number down from over 12 million animals to between 2,000 and 50,000 animals.

You answered yourself here, do you know that horses, donkeys, zebras are from the same kind of family. The type of creatures then were probably not the same we have today.
After they came down God blessed them and said to the animals be fruitful and multiply, fill the surface of the earth.


As it is, you can fit them into the ark, but that means you're implying that 2,000 - 50,000 animals branched into 6 million species somehow in 4,000 years. Then you turn around and say that man and ape couldn't have branched from a common ancestor millions of years ago.
None of these failed attempts can tell us how kangaroos were able to make it from the Middle East to Australia.

But I'm still the fool because gawd.

So evolution can tell us how they migrated?
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by CoolUsername: 8:59am On Feb 22, 2016
Fadman4real:


Maybe you don't understand that light years mean distance not time.

Maybe you don't understand what a light year is: simply put, a light year is the distance that light would travel in a year. If a star is several millions of light years way from the earth, then the fact that we can see it means that the light from the star had millions of years to travel to us.



Fadman4real:

You answered yourself here, do you know that horses, donkeys, zebras are from the same kind of family. The type of creatures then were probably not the same we have today.
After they came down God blessed them and said to the animals be fruitful and multiply, fill the surface of the earth.

So basically, what you're saying is that 50,000 representatives of each land animal family underwent speciation to become the
6 million land species we have today?

Fadman4real:

So evolution can tell us how they migrated?

Have you ever heard of continental drift? Scientists attribute it to tectonic activity. While creationism attributes it to the flood. Taking the scientific route, kangaroos got seperated when Australia broke off from a larger continental mass millions of years ago. It doesn't add up in creationism's <10,000 year world.

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Fadman4real(m): 1:16pm On Feb 22, 2016
CoolUsername:


Maybe you don't understand what a light year is: simply put, a light year is the distance that light would travel in a year. If a star is several millions of light years way from the earth, then the fact that we can see it means that the light from the star had millions of years to travel to us.

The fact that God created the stars and made the light to shine on us just the same way God created Adam as an adult and not a baby.


So basically, what you're saying is that 50,000 representatives of each land animal family underwent speciation to become the
6 million land species we have today?

Off course it might not be every land animal but most broke down to form the six million species we av now.


Have you ever heard of continental drift? Scientists attribute it to tectonic activity. While creationism attributes it to the flood. Taking the scientific route, kangaroos got seperated when Australia broke off from a larger continental mass millions of years ago. It doesn't add up in creationism's <10,000 year world.

Continental drift has the following errors

The concept of destruction of sea-floor plates over millions of years by slow underthrusting below ocean trenches is also doubtful.
Furthermore, the cause for the alleged gradual and uninterrupted motion of plates is an unsolved mystery.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by CoolUsername: 2:32pm On Feb 22, 2016
Fadman4real:


The fact that God created the stars and made the light to shine on us just the same way God created Adam as an adult and not a baby.

So God created the stars with and sped up light so they could reach us within a day then inexplicable reduced the speed of light in such a way that would throw off the timeline of the biblical creation?

Sounds legit! /s

Fadman4real:

Off course it might not be every land animal but most broke down to form the six million species we av now.

So basically, those animals underwent speciation then evolved their diverse traits in 4,000 years?

In other words, for example the hippopotamus and the giraffe are from the same genus (fact). So you mean to tell me that you believe that they both split from a common ancestor and evolved the different traits (while most of the transitional species went extinct) in just 4,000 years? But you don't believe that man and ape underwent the same process over the course millions of years even with well-dated fossil evidence.

Fadman4real:

Continental drift has the following errors

The concept of destruction of sea-floor plates over millions of years by slow underthrusting below ocean trenches is also doubtful.
Furthermore, the cause for the alleged gradual and uninterrupted motion of plates is an unsolved mystery.

It doesn't take a Ph.D to see that the continents fit together like a jigsaw puzzle.
There is evidence of tectonic activity breaking off land masses from each other, dude. For you to deny continental drift because you can't fit kangaroos into your creation myth must mean that you aren't a man of science.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Niflheim(m): 4:35pm On Feb 22, 2016
@fadman4real,
1.What do you mean that webbed feet appearing on feet(which can be seen with ordinary eyes), is micro-evolution?........................Are these the kind of stuff you want to be spreading on Nairaland?

2.What has a bowl of garri got to do with Evolution? I just explained to the OP, how dishonest it was for her to publish an article about how life began and connecting it with Evolution? Tomorrow, you will complain when atheists insist that christians are super retarded!!! I just addressed this in my first post, and here you are, repeating the same error!!! EVOLUTION DOES NOT ADDRESS HOW LIFE CAME ABOUT!!! IT ONLY ADDRESSES HOW NEW SPECIES COME ABOUT(eg.ants that can fly/ ants that cannot fly)!!!
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Fadman4real(m): 5:25pm On Feb 22, 2016
Niflheim:
@fadman4real,
1.What do you mean that webbed feet appearing on feet(which can be seen with ordinary eyes), is micro-evolution?........................Are these the kind of stuff you want to be spreading on Nairaland?

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html
Don't worry I helped you Google it, you can see that there are two types of evolution; micro and macro.


2.What has a bowl of garri got to do with Evolution? I just explained to the OP, how dishonest it was for her to publish an article about how life began and connecting it with Evolution? Tomorrow, you will complain when atheists insist that christians are super retarded!!! I just addressed this in my first post, and here you are, repeating the same error!!! EVOLUTION DOES NOT ADDRESS HOW LIFE CAME ABOUT!!! IT ONLY ADDRESSES HOW NEW SPECIES COME ABOUT(eg.ants that can fly/ ants that cannot fly)!!!

So we are super retarded for believing that a world this complex was created by a creator. While you are super intelligent for believing that the greatest ever accomplishment since the beginning of time just happened to be by chance.

Have you read about Anthony Flew who was a renowned atheist for a very long time until after he read about the very complex DNA and became a deist.

Keep living in delusion, whether you hate God or not doesn't change the fact that God is your creator.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Fadman4real(m): 5:42pm On Feb 22, 2016
CoolUsername:


So God created the stars with and sped up light so they could reach us within a day then inexplicable reduced the speed of light in such a way that would throw off the timeline of the biblical creation?

Sounds legit! /s

You atheists see God as one of you and not a supreme being, he created the world so he can shape it how he feels like. It is just like me a programmer writes a code and in a particular instance makes 2+1 = 100. Is that impossible after all it is my code. God has done many miracles and simply because science can't explain it, then He doesn't exist. Think.



So basically, those animals underwent speciation then evolved their diverse traits in 4,000 years?

In other words, for example the hippopotamus and the giraffe are from the same genus (fact). So you mean to tell me that you believe that they both split from a common ancestor and evolved the different traits (while most of the transitional species went extinct) in just 4,000 years? But you don't believe that man and ape underwent the same process over the course millions of years even with well-dated fossil evidence.

I said not all animals, you and I do not know the ones that splitted and I think it was only micro evolution that happened not the bogus macro evolution that has no root except in fiction.



It doesn't take a Ph.D to see that the continents fit together like a jigsaw puzzle.
There is evidence of tectonic activity breaking off land masses from each other, dude. For you to deny continental drift because you can't fit kangaroos into your creation myth must mean that you aren't a man of science.

I don't know much about continental drift, would read it up when am less busy. The question of the kangaroo is funny at best, the Bible clearly says that God blessed the animals and asked them to multiply and fill the earth. I cannot possibly go back in time to view how the kangaroos came to Australia from middle East. The same with evolutionarists, you are yet to create a simple life after understanding all the chemicals involved despite our technological advancements. But you want us to believe that we and apes are cousins/brothers when we are absolutely different in terms of intelligence and emotions.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Niflheim(m): 4:34pm On Feb 25, 2016
@Fadman4real,

Ha ha ha ha ha!!! I went to that stupid and retarded website that you recommended to me!!! At first, I thought that you were being paid to mislead yourself(and your fellow adherents of the book of talking donkeys), but now I understand. The owner of the website does not even know what Evolution is about!!! No wonder I gave you the simplest example of rats with webbed feet, and you still did not get it.

1.The nincompoop narrator claimed that bacteria remain bacteria and fruit flies remain fruit flies!!! What a pity!!! Evolution is like a TREE WITH MANY BRANCHES and not a straight line, so the bacteria will evolve to a different kind of bacteria(on the bacteria branch), while the fruit fly will evolve to a different kind of fruit fly(on the fruit fly branch). The fruit flies can never turn to eagles and Evolution never claimed they will!!!

2.You recommended Google to me, and yet you went to a website run by a slowpoke to get your info on Evolution? He has his own personal definition of Evolution on his website!!!

3.So all this while you have been attempting to debate evolution, you never even knew what it means, and your holy spirit could not even correct you? Chai!!! Lol!!! ..

4.This is a case of a blind-folded man(you) being led by another blind-folded man......................YOU HAVE BOTH FALLEN INSIDE THE PIT OF PUBLIC RIDICULE!!!

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by scosco1: 8:26pm On Feb 25, 2016
He he he

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by CoolUsername: 9:33pm On Feb 25, 2016
Fadman4real:


You atheists see God as one of you and not a supreme being, he created the world so he can shape it how he feels like. It is just like me a programmer writes a code and in a particular instance makes 2+1 = 100. Is that impossible after all it is my code. God has done many miracles and simply because science can't explain it, then He doesn't exist. Think.

It's possible to say that absence of evidence isn't necessarily the same as evidence of absence. That's true, but absence of evidence also isn't evidence of presence. How can you prove that a god created everything? Right now, we don't have the technology to prove it. But we can say, quite conclusively that the Judeo-christian creation myth just doesn't hold up unless we deny empirical evidence. As a person of intellectual integrity, I won't do that.

Fadman4real:

I said not all animals, you and I do not know the ones that splitted and I think it was only micro evolution that happened not the bogus macro evolution that has no root except in fiction.

This is what I was saying, the implications of what you're saying is that somehow, between 2,000
and 50,000 kinds of animals became 6 million species in 4,000 years. Tell me, how is that demonstrably possible? Show me your evidence. If you can't do this, then don't argue against the prevailing theory.

Fadman4real:

I don't know much about continental drift, would read it up when am less busy. The question of the kangaroo is funny at best, the Bible clearly says that God blessed the animals and asked them to multiply and fill the earth. I cannot possibly go back in time to view how the kangaroos came to Australia from middle East. The same with evolutionarists, you are yet to create a simple life after understanding all the chemicals involved despite our technological advancements. But you want us to believe that we and apes are cousins/brothers when we are absolutely different in terms of intelligence and emotions.

So once again, you can't explain another gaping hole in your already porous theory.

Also, what does creating life have to do with this, man only gained intellect about 10,000 years ago. Besides, to replicate something you need to fully understand it, maybe you creationists should stop standing in the way of science.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by TrajansKong: 10:32pm On Feb 25, 2016
Fools!

There were no cavemen. Science is atheism and has no place in Africa.

This is how God created us. This is the glorious form we were blessed with before we turned to sin and were cursed with blackness.

Through washing in the blood of Jesus we may (with his blessing) once more attain the greatness we lost, Amen...

Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Fadman4real(m): 7:47am On Feb 26, 2016
CoolUsername:


It's possible to say that absence of evidence isn't necessarily the same as evidence of absence. That's true, but absence of evidence also isn't evidence of presence. How can you prove that a god created everything? Right now, we don't have the technology to prove it. But we can say, quite conclusively that the Judeo-christian creation myth just doesn't hold up unless we deny empirical evidence. As a person of intellectual integrity, I won't do that.
There is one question i keep asking myself, have you ever seen an artistic masterpiece without an artist? That in itself is not possible, looking at the world today, it is extremely perfect without a single flaw. The plants get their energy from the sun, the animals feed on the plants, they die and the plants draw their nuitrients from the dead animals, the cycle continues like that.
For all these to happen by luck, it has to be some extreme luck in place, every single aspect of our body and that of the animals are all designed for a specific purpose and are perfect in the order of its design. Evolutionists believe we came to existence by luck but even luck has a limit, evolution can tell you that we developed from an ape like animal, etc. but when biologists and scientists dig deeper into the structure of animals and human kind they find a very complex structure that would require the most complex brain in the world for it to be.
The DNA which was thought of as junk is becoming the center piece of biology right now. The DNA has been found to contain lots and lots of information as big as a computer and works just like a computer, imagine a particle 100 times smaller than the smallest transistor in the world functioning as a small computer.
Yet evolutionists like you say that there is no God and we just came to be by some mistake.
Another against evolution is evolutionists say that we evolved from simple organisms like bacteria then why is it that bacteria and those simple organisms are still alive today and homo habilis, homo erectus are not alive today? I am supposed to believe that it was luck too, there are just too many holes in the evolution theory it makes it look like a really big bag of lucky events.
As usual the response would be you dont understand evolution.
Think again


This is what I was saying, the implications of what you're saying is that somehow, between 2,000
and 50,000 kinds of animals became 6 million species in 4,000 years. Tell me, how is that demonstrably possible? Show me your evidence. If you can't do this, then don't argue against the prevailing theory.
A growing number of scientists believe that geological evidence indicates our world has undergone a catastrophic flood. now a brief history of Noah's arc.

It was 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high according to hisorians.
The total available floor space on the arc would have been 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts.
I would advice you to read Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study by John Woodmorappe to explain it more to you.

Also, what does creating life have to do with this, man only gained intellect about 10,000 years ago. Besides, to replicate something you need to fully understand it, maybe you creationists should stop standing in the way of science.
According to evolution scientists, it was believed that chemicals randomly organized themselves together and spark live was created. In the past 10,000 years science has achieved a lot, very soon we would have self driving cars, we have gone to the moon etc. Evolution despite its acclaimed evidence and scientific proof cannot do the most basic thing that we are supposed to believe was created by nothing. Evolution still keeps holding to the observations of Charles Darwin and has not gone beyond mere observations and archeological evidence, the simplest thing you claim was done by luck, you simply cant recreate the evidence.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Fadman4real(m): 8:57am On Feb 26, 2016
Niflheim:
@Fadman4real,

Ha ha ha ha ha!!! I went to that stupid and retarded website that you recommended to me!!! At first, I thought that you were being paid to mislead yourself(and your fellow adherents of the book of talking donkeys), but now I understand. The owner of the website does not even know what Evolution is about!!! No wonder I gave you the simplest example of rats with webbed feet, and you still did not get it.

1.The nincompoop narrator claimed that bacteria remain bacteria and fruit flies remain fruit flies!!! What a pity!!! Evolution is like a TREE WITH MANY BRANCHES and not a straight line, so the bacteria will evolve to a different kind of bacteria(on the bacteria branch), while the fruit fly will evolve to a different kind of fruit fly(on the fruit fly branch). The fruit flies can never turn to eagles and Evolution never claimed they will!!!

2.You recommended Google to me, and yet you went to a website run by a slowpoke to get your info on Evolution? He has his own personal definition of Evolution on his website!!!

3.So all this while you have been attempting to debate evolution, you never even knew what it means, and your holy spirit could not even correct you? Chai!!! Lol!!! ..

4.This is a case of a blind-folded man(you) being led by another blind-folded man......................YOU HAVE BOTH FALLEN INSIDE THE PIT OF PUBLIC RIDICULE!!!

Your ignorance is outstanding, it shows that you dont even know what evolution is, you just decided to follow it cause it allows you to live the life you want to live without fear of judgement.

I would help you by googling "microevolution and macroevolution articles in science" to help broaden your understanding, and i would advice you to try to read a book once in a while as this would improve your understanding a lot.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evoscales_01

http://atheism.about.com/od/evolutionexplained/a/micro_macro.htm Let us see if you would call your fellow atheists slowpoke.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:44am On Feb 26, 2016
Fadman4real:


Your ignorance is outstanding, it shows that you dont even know what evolution is, you just decided to follow it cause it allows you to live the life you want to live without fear of judgement.

I would help you by googling "microevolution and macroevolution articles in science" to help broaden your understanding, and i would advice you to try to read a book once in a while as this would improve your understanding a lot.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evoscales_01

http://atheism.about.com/od/evolutionexplained/a/micro_macro.htm Let us see if you would call your fellow atheists slowpoke.

An atheist who is an evolutionist claimed that evolution's goal is survival . I laughed so hard that I almost fell off from my bed . Evolution has no goal or direction . Most evolutionists dont even know this and somewhere in this thread some are ignorantly comparing monkeys and humans .

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Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by Nobody: 9:54pm On Feb 26, 2016
Fadman4real:


So been a scientist makes you infallible?
Hell No. That's what makes science so sweet. Every piece of evidence can be held up to scrutiny.
Re: Creation Vs Evolution. Were there really cavemen? What does the bible says? by scosco1: 9:08pm On Mar 02, 2016
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