Do they also complain when they turn catherdrals to cinemas and museums?

Godless generation

agabaI23:

Do they also complain when they turn catherdrals to cinemas and museums?

Godless generation

i wonder o

GODSON2009:

i can bet my last pound that you are a british born here who has spent a little more time with the mainstream indigenous english people,socialised with them and now revel in the mistaken believe and ignorance that they dont care if you r black, lol dream on. Have you ever wondered why the asians have kept their identity intact in spite of the fact that they have been in the uk for well over 200 years? wondered why they will owe alleigiance to their own and be a support network to each other rather than the mainstream or indigenous white ,black population?

I quite frankly don't care about race, tribe, ethnicity e.t.c. . . I look at my fellow man as a human being and nothing else and if you look well enough you'd find out the majority do so as well.

Quit being paranoid, nobody is after you in the UK or are you an illegal immigrant?

if they have ceased to make religion the centre of their lives,why are they bothered if the muslims over run the united kingdom then??

Dude, u ok? What kind of question is this?

If they ceased to make religion the center of their lives, wouldnt it be the right thing to prevent religious extremists/fundamentalists/loons ruling the country?

why the bnp and national front assertion that britain is a christian nation,surely they shouldnt be bothered about the dead jew going by your assertions?

How many seats do the BNP have in parliament? Or maybe you should start by asking Nick Griffin how often he attends church.

i see,how many chinese factories have been springing up in the united kingdom and wales? even though i wasnt born in this country like you,i had my first and second degrees here and my undergraduate degree was in politics and criminology so i can tell you quite a bit about sociological issues in the united kingdom.
do you even know the mainstay of the united kingdom economy?

What the hell are you talking about?

Oh I see, there was a typo in my post (i was in a hurry, i'm real busy). . . I meant in china factories that add real value are springing up while in Nigeria churches in every street corner are the order of the day. . .clear now?

yu are asserting that churches are the bane of nigeria's bad economy,do you know what the european union with uk as key players have contributed to the perpetual misery and poverty of african farmers??

*Yawn*
Same old story. . . . So the answer to exploitation and undevelopment is to set up 5 churches in every street corner, right?

You people should quit whining about past colonial events. Get up of your arses and WORK, WORK, WORK rather than starving your family in the name of fasting and throwing your last kobo to a holy con man in hope of 100 fold 'returns'.

i am sure you did not realise that the man published a double page chronological accounts of all the events between him,kicc and the charity commission as far back as 2006,ifyou ask any long term member they will tell you they got a copy, in that plain piece of paper he outllined everything that happened,where he was at fault and where the charity commission absolved him including the total funds and how everthing came to be i have a copy right here in my shoebox.
he was not indicted by the charity commission ,if he was you reckon he would have been allowed to even smell church dministration much more still heading the church? arhbishop gilbert deya is an example of a man of GOD indicted,that is why he has moved permanently to scotland.pastor ashimolowo was never indicted and what started the investigation was because the charity commission discovered a minority ethnic church with a turn over of about 12 million pounds.

Yeah I'm quite sure Gilbert Deya wrote his own book explaining all since he's ever still popular in the uk amongst the hungry black africans looking for 'breakthroughs'.

Ashimolowo was ordered to repay the embezzeld funds and no amount of twisting in specially written books can hide the truth.

Out of curiosity, did he give this so called book explaining all for free or like everything else you had to pay for it?

when comments like these are made about minority ethnic churches by  members of the minority ethnic groups in the uk in a season when black youths have been ascribed the notoriety of violence,stabbings e.t.c in the various urbane areas then it is a huge shame and no wonder black people,[/b]especially nigerians will never move past the existence and living from hand to mouth that has been the pattern of their lives in the uk,you think you are immune from any form of discrimination because you carry a british passport?you will be very suprised, wait for the new batch of legislations coming in soon including what the criminal justice system thinks of you

abegi!
What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. . . . Good is good and bad is bad [b]irrespective of racial and ethnic affiliations.

The people dont want a con man in their neighbourhood because such an organisation adds no value whatsoever to their community. Is that simple.

According to you, a nigerian or black man murders someone or perpetrates fraud we should all rally in support and commendation because like us he's black? You gotta be kidding me.

Tudór:

I quite frankly don't care about race, tribe, ethnicity e.t.c. . . I look at my fellow man as a human being and nothing else and if you look well enough you'd find out the majority do so as well.
quit being paranoid,nobody is after you in the uk or are you an illegal immigrant

my first impulse was to reel out criminological sources showing statistics from the home office,irr hansard e.t.c to support my claim but on second thoughts your stance shows an entrenched sense of delusion so i might as well leave you to wallow in it,illegal immigrant??i bet you are one of those who carry their british passport and stick it on their forehead sorri to dissappoint you but i carry a british passport as well,the difference between us is that i am a realist and know that i am not english just have it for ease of travellfrom point a to b nothing else.

Tudór:

Quit being paranoid, nobody is after you in the UK or are you an illegal immigrant?Dude, u ok? What kind of question is this?

do you have to be so insultive in every comment you make or are you suffering some sort of insecurity?this is unbecoming of a girl or female, surely you can marshall your points without resorting to verbal barbs, its not helping you at all
all i asked is a simple question,and if you have not heard this assertion before,then go back and read about the bradford riots just before 9/11 go back and read about the emerging islamophobia/xenophobia in the united kingdom i can even post the channeell 4 documentary about islamophobia where this assertions were severally raised,lastly go and google assimilation and intergration problems amongst british asians it will help educate and enlighten you

Tudór:

If they ceased to make religion the center of their lives, wouldnt it be the right thing to prevent religious extremists/fundamentalists/loons ruling the country? How many seats do the BNP have in parliament? Or maybe you should start by asking Nick Griffin how often he attends church.
What the hell are you talking about?

you get the point i am makin but you are interpreting it in a round about manner,my point is that if they have not made religion the central point in their lives,how come they are suddenly christian or "a christian nation" when it comes to muslim extremists??surely under the united nations human rights act,the muslims including the extremists have a fndamental right of association,same as the bnp nf e.t.c? lol you see the incongruity in your arguments??
maybe you didnt know that they are amassing more seats and more supporters as the days go by,i will like you to do a little google exercise,check how many candidates they had staning in the last election,compared to now,check how many in east london/barking dagenham last election compared to now.
check what mps like baroness farsi said ain support of bnp and i hope you read the new reports about bnp teachers, you need to know what is going on around you and dont bury your head in the sand lady

Tudór:

Oh I see, there was a typo in my post (i was in a hurry, i'm real busy). . . I meant in china factories that add real value are springing up while in Nigeria churches in every street corner are the order of the day. . .clear now?
*Yawn*
Same old story. . . . So the answer to exploitation and undevelopment is to set up 5 churches in every street corner, right?

i see,so will you rather live and work in china where they have minus zero human rights records even worse than nigeria then?? i bet you dont know anything about the socio political situation in china do you?all you see is the cheap products,the foreign reserves and nothing else if i were to start cataloguing china's exesses i bet your assertion will be that i m being paranoid no?
no but the churches are at least covering up the failure of sucessive governments in serving the interest of minority ethnic youths, guess how many thousands of 10-19 years old black youths will be occupied on an average sunday in k.i.c.c who would otherwise be hanging out on street corners,go and google the first reason youngsters give for getting in gangs, its borredom and familial/sense of belonging which the church is trying its best to give.how many of these youngters in hackney are you ready to foster on a permanent basis if pentecostal churches or k.i.c.c were to be divested of that responsibility?

Tudór:

You people should quit whining about past colonial events. Get up of your arses and WORK, WORK, WORK rather than starving your family in the name of fasting and throwing your last kobo to a holy con man in hope of 100 fold 'returns'.
Yeah I'm quite sure Gilbert Deya wrote his own book explaining all since he's ever still popular in the uk amongst the hungry black africans looking for 'breakthroughs'.

i am beginning to see a clear pattern of ignorance in your knowldge of politics and current affairs both in the united kingdom context,and internationally otherwise you will not be echoing a pre colonial and archaic pre conceptions about minority ethnic groups.if a white person uttered this assertions he will be vilified.so you believe black people are lazy and only spent money on pastors?if this is the way nigerians in the uk think then no wonder we are not anywhere in the scheme of things i will advice you to educate and re educate yourself

Tudór:

Ashimolowo was ordered to repay the embezzeld funds and no amount of twisting in specially written books can hide the truth.

for a start the funds were seized by the charity commission pending their investigations which lasted for several years so you have simply missed it on that note,secondly k.i.c.c paid for the investigation not the government and thirdly as at the time the paper were given out the government was yet to release the church funds in their possesion even after concluding their investigations so i dont know where you got your version from.

Tudór:

Out of curiosity, did he give this so called book explaining all for free or like everything else you had to pay for it?
abegi!

suprise suprise,it was free for every member

Tudór:

What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong. . . . Good is good and bad is bad irrespective of racial and ethnic affiliations.

true and i totally subscribe to that,however as an academic i dont just read what the newspapers and electronic media churn out daily,i read in between the lines and look at the hidden parochial interest because that is the way i was taught in your british universities.when particular issues have a racial colouring then i tend to pick up on it i dont like islam and i have not hidden my dislike for everything islam stands for,but as an academic i know that xenophobia/islamophobia has racial undertones because most of the allegations against them used in justifying stop and search,including the promulgation of anti terro laws of 2001 and the subsequent amendments is false

Tudór:

The people dont want a con man in their neighbourhood because such an organisation adds no value whatsoever to their community. Is that simple.

i will like to believe you are educated,hence calling a man a fraudster without any evidence is libelious however i guess anything goes on the internet due to its anonymity.as for thevalue added how abouit community cohesion?
how about getting potentially violent black youths off the streets and engaging them?
how about the funds it will accrue to the borough interms of charges taxes e.t.c
ask yourself why the local authority have not resisted moves prior to the residents raising an alarm?
to show you how lucrative the move will be for them,watch if they will suceed in their petition

Tudór:

According to you, a nigerian or black man murders someone or perpetrates fraud we should all rally in support and commendation because like us he's black? You gotta be kidding me.

you have again validated my earlier assertions about you by over simplifying what is ordinarily a complex issue which clearly has racial undertones.
the over generalising and crass prejudice which has been the hall mark of your coments has shown that you dont know anything at all about the sociological issues going on around you or political isuues for that matter.
start reading and aquinting yourself pyou reckon people like chakrabati,fakete gilroy e.t.c are stupid to advocate for and stand for these issues?
if you notice i have debated with you strictly on an academic//socially scientific basis so that i wont fall in the same rut of simplifying and generalising on hear say and half truths like you have been doing, keep on relying and basing your comments on newspapers and cnn, by the way how many people has pastor ashimolowo killed and how many people has he been proven to have swindled?
if you have the figures for both,then i guess the charity commission in their generousity and magnanimity let him off the hook to continue right?

God bless his children!!

I'm on a handheld device and as I tried to quote your empty jargons up there it nearly chrased my device.

You're all words and no substance and from what I can glean from your posts its obvious you are a closet racist. And this is such a pity as more and more black people mainly immigrants have this disgusting ideology.

The other day that racist lunatic called No2Atheism justifying his refusal to leave the UK despite calling the whiteman the devil was telling me of his plan to organise fellow minded black africans so they can take over the european economy. . .what a laugh!

if you notice i have debated with you strictly on an academic//socially scientific basis so that i wont fall in the same rut of . . . .

This got me laughing. . . . Academic and scientific indeed.

Where is your so-called academic and scientific basis to show the residents oppose this church in their neighbourhood has a racial undertone??

You just barged into the thread and started screaming racism! Racism!

Your evidence is what? Are there no other blacks living in that same neighbourhood?

You claim to not like islam and what it stands for. . .no biggie. But the white man displays islamophobia- BIG DEAL! You scream its racism. . . .give me a break abeg.

Could the good ol' people just be opposed to the church for the reasons they stated?

I too would protest if such a church were to appear in my neighbourhood. . . I guess according to you academic genius that automatically makes me a racist, right?

how many people has pastor ashimolowo killed and how many people has he been proven to have swindled?

if you have the figures for both,then i guess the charity commission in their generousity and magnanimity let him off the hook to continue right?

Alcapone was arrested severally and released until he was finally indicted- prior to his indictment everyone knew he was a mobster. The only thing was the law couldn't get him until one day. . . Ashimolowo's time is coming.

I'm glad to hear he gave the book out for free. It's wonderful to note that a man of God to save face and advertise himself would print books and give them out out FREE but to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ God sent him he charges a compulsory fee where everyone who wants the material must pay. . .how grande.

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[quote]do you have to be so insultive in every comment you make or are you suffering some sort of insecurity?this is unbecoming of  a girl or female, surely you can marshall your points without resorting to verbal barbs,

I find this quite ironic and funny. . . This is a fellow who just implied I was deluded but comes here crying because I asked him "Are you ok?".

BTW, with the proliferation of churches in Nigeria I guess the youths are exemplary in good behaviour due to absence of "boredom" and "familial/social" affilations, right? Hurray!!

Academic my arse!

Tudór:

I'm on a handheld device and as I tried to quote your empty jargons up there it nearly chrased my device.

typical nigerian, lol now we know you r using a b/b or iphone get over it!!

Tudór:

You're all words and no substance

im very sorry if nothing is getting into your brain i inspite of everything written on here, you ll agree with me that a pebble in the atlantic ocean for years if brought out and cracked open will still remain dry in the middle "ms hand held device"

Tudór:

and from what I can glean from your posts its obvious you are a closet racist.

and from what i have deduced from your posts,its obvious you are not only incredibly delusional,but you are amongst the demographics of black people malcolm x refers to as uncle tom,in your case the female aunty tom for want of a better word

Tudór:

And this is such a pity as more and more black people mainly immigrants have this disgusting ideology.

well guess they have actually picked up a couple of books and statistics and educated themselves then,i enjoin you to do the same it ll help develop you intelectually so you dont show yourself up as being a mental pygmy when discussing current affairs.
btw hope you realise you are an immigrant as well?

Tudór:

The other day that racist lunatic called No2Atheism justifying his refusal to leave the UK despite calling the whiteman the devil was telling me of his plan to organise fellow minded black africans so they can take over the european economy. . .what a laugh!This got me laughing. . . . Academic and scientific indeed.

well i wouldnt go as far as that,counter productive if you ask me, but calling an individual a racist lunatic for airing his views shows you are sooooo into your delusions that it is simply hilarious now even the average bnp or national front wont go that far lol lolblack people and overdoing things lol
well,if academia and science got you laughing,dont be annoyed if the only conclusions i have arrived at is that a university degree is alien to you or you simply cannot fathom the correlation between social science and contemporary british society.

Tudór:

Where is your so-called academic and scientific basis to show the residents oppose this church in their neighbourhood has a racial undertone??

simply because if there was an overriding concern for community safety or any other concerns,the local authority will not put their necks on the line for a minority ethnic church, we both at least agree that he didnt bribe them hence they would have been above board in granting the relevant lincences he needed to purchase the property and get the planning permissions

Tudór:

You just barged into the thread and started screaming racism! Racism!

no ma,i didnt "barge in"its not my style i simply made my comments and took you up on some naive(i dont want to use the word ignorant"comments you made

Tudór:

Your evidence is what? Are there no other blacks living in that same neighbourhood?

i beg your pardon if i dont respond to this infantille comment,apart from that it is overly simplistic

Tudór:

You claim to not like islam and what it stands for. . .no biggie. But the white man displays islamophobia- BIG DEAL! You scream its racism. . . .give me a break abeg.

that was my own personal opinion,i wont run away from every bushy bearded pakistani or black muslim,or raise intolerant xenophobic views upon them that is the major difference btween me and the racist far right parties you seem to be overtly justifying, i ll just advice you not to come out anytime they are around because they dont know the difference between a black face with a british passport or a black face who is just new off the proverbial banana boat.

Tudór:

Could the good ol' people just be opposed to the church for the reasons they stated?

could be,theres a chance however there must be a reason why the cinema closed up shop in the first place and remained so untill the church bought the place over, i dont see amc or odeon selling any of their cinemas anytime soon do you?

Tudór:

I too would protest if such a church were to appear in my neighbourhood. . . I guess according to you academic genius that automatically makes me a racist, right?

no it doesnt,as long asyou dont hold racially biased views towards the church or its leadership,and as long as you have totally objective and legitimate reasons for your opposition.i ll accept it if you came out to say you work nights and you need your rest on a sunday morning when the churches will be making their noise

Tudór:

Alcapone was arrested severally and released until he was finally indicted- prior to his indictment everyone knew he was a mobster. The only thing was the law couldn't get him until one day. . . Ashimolowo's time is coming.

wow,wow easy, you are brimming over with resentment for this man,this is not just a simple issue of the thread, is there anything you need to reveal to everyone on here?
i wouldnt compare a drunk and drug dealer with alcapone how much more a man of GOD, now im starting to see that your motives are coloured with a severe amount of personal resentment for the man

Tudór:

I'm glad to hear he gave the book out for free. It's wonderful to note that a man of God to save face and advertise himself would print books and give them out out FREE but to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ God sent him he charges a compulsory fee where everyone who wants the material must pay

so he is saving face now??lol if he took money for it he s prolly greedy right i guess the man can never win with you can he? how many places have you been to where he harged you a fee to come into the venue?

Tudór:

. . .how grande.I find this quite ironic and funny. . . This is a fellow who just implied I was deluded but comes here crying because I asked him "Are you ok?".

dont be annoyed,i asked a simple innocent question,because you have exhibited signs of being severely disillutioned by your comments,i am struggling to see the corellation between pastor ashimolowo giving books out free and you being accused of being delusional??am i missing something

Tudór:

BTW, with the proliferation of churches in Nigeria I guess the youths are exemplary in good behaviour due to absence of "boredom" and "familial/social" affilations, right? Hurray!!

well,at least majority of them are engaged in a sort of venture excluding them from indulging in stabbings and armed robbery ventures e.t.c they would have engaged in, in a country of more than 150 million with t least 30/40% being youths the fact that the country is not in flames is a credit to them,compare it to uk with a population of less than half of nigeria and london with less than a couple of local government in lagos and the number of stabbings and killingsdo you know the percentage of black british youths between the ages of 13-25 in prison ?
out of every 100,000 asian youths,black youths and white youths do you know which of the racial demographics is over represented in the criminal justice system of your country? i bet you didnt know
did you know that the bangladeshi community have more youths than the black community in fact about 50% yet,black youths are like double the number of asian community,not just bangladesh in the criminal justice system?bet you didnt know that
i ll advice you not to debate on the strenght of newspapers and bbc but actually mentally engage yourself by reading then you can objectively judge issueswithout jumping into a tantrum when people disagree with you calling them names

Tudór:

Academic my arse!

not suprised,i deduced as much from your earlier comment lol

GODSON2009:


typical nigerian, lol now we know you r using a b/b or iphone get over it!!

lol typical bushman-JJC-to-civilisation attitude, now handheld = iphone or bb. How silly, . .

Its show offs like you who take gadgets as status symbols.A £20 nokia phone with internet is also handheld or do you put up yours on your forehead?(yea uou prolly do that with a text book balanced on ur head, just to announce you as an 'academic'). . . As an aside, even nursery school teaching assistants claim to be ''academics'' these days.

.im very sorry if nothing is getting into your brain i inspite of everything written on here, you ll agree with me that a pebble in the atlantic ocean for years if brought out and cracked open will still remain dry in the middle "ms hand held device"

no offense but you've not said anything in this thread other than screaming racism without proof. . .do they also call it ''empty barrel'' in the academia?

well guess they have actually pickp a couple of books and statistics and educated themselves then,i enjoin you to do the same it ll help develop you intelectually so you dont show yourself up as being a mental pygmy when discussing current affairs.

btw hope you realise you are an immigrant as well?

I disagree, i think its coz they listen to racist lunatics who scream racism at the slightest opportunity prolly hoping sue and 'compensation pay checks'- i've seen this happen many times

but callin an individual a racist lunatic for airing his views shows you are sooooo into your delusions that it is simply hilarious now evn the average bnp or national front wont go that far lolblack people and overdoing things lol

oh 'mr academic' the bnp, and the good people of crystal palace are merely expressing thier views too right?
Yet you imply they are racists,how funny. . . I guess '' you're soooo into you delusions'' too, right?

that was my own personal opinion,i wont run away from every bushy bearded pakistani or black muslim,or raise intolerant xenophobic views upon them that is the major difference btween me and the racist far right parties you seem to be overtly justifying, i ll just advice you not to come out anytime they are around because they dont know the difference between a black face with a british passport or a black face who is just new off the proverbial banana boat[quote

Mr academic, your EVIDENCE THAT THE PEOPLE OF CRYSTAL PALACE are racists, is what?? I thought you boasted few posts ago that you debate with 'academic and scientific facts'? Why is this so hard for you?

I awit your proof that the residents of cp run away from every blackman they see, this should be a simple task for mr super academic shouldnt it?

could be,theres a chance however there must be a reason why the cinema closed up shop in the first place and remained so untill the church bought the place over, i dont see amc or odeon selling any of their cinemas anytime soon do you?

what is this? How does this prove your assertion therz a racist motive behind this resistance?

no it doesnt,as long asyou dont hold racially biased views towards the church or its leadership. . . .

AGAIN I ASK, where is your EVIDENCE to show the residents are RACIALLY biased towards the church or its leadership?,

i wouldnt compare a drunk and drug dealer with alcapone how much more a man of GOD, now im starting to see that your motives are coloured with a severe amount of personal resentment for the man

Crime is crime and sin is sin irrespective of which specifics or did the bible ashimolowo sold you omit that?

so he is saving face now??lol if he took money for it he s prolly greedy right i guess the man can never win with you can he? how many places have you been to where he harged you a fee to come into the venue?

its wierd aint it? A 'man of god' would merchandise the word of god but distribute a self-promoting book for free. Hmmm

well,at least majority of them are engaged in a sort of venture excluding them from indulging in stabbings and armed robbery ventures e.t.c they would have engaged in, in a country of more than 150 million with t least 30/40% being youths the fact that the country is not in flames is a credit to them,compare it to uk with a population of less than half of nigeria and london with less than a couple of local government in lagos and the number of stabbings and killingsdo you know the percentage of black british youths between the ages of 13-25 in prison ?

out of every 100,000 asian youths,black youths and white youths do you know which of the racial demographics is over represented in the criminal justice system of your country? i bet you didnt know

did you know that the bangladeshi community have more youths than the black community in fact about 50% yet,black youths are like double the number of asian community,not just bangladesh in the criminal justice system?bet you didnt know that

oh really? Well since you solely give credit to the ''church'' for kepping nigeria together, I guess credit should also go to the CHURCH fOR the bangladeshi, white and black youths who aren't in jail in the Uk, right?

You are a genius! Pls when u open up that primary school of yours in naija remind me to recommend every racist bigot n their offspring to u for 'education' so they can be ''academics'' like u,

Tudór:

lol typical bushman-JJC-to-civilisation attitude, now handheld = iphone or bb. How silly, . .
Its show offs like you who take gadgets as status symbols.A £20 nokia phone with internet is also handheld or do you put up yours on your forehead?(yea uou prolly do that with a text book balanced on your head, just to announce you as an 'academic'). . . As an aside, even nursery school teaching assistants claim to be ''academics'' these days.

lol well then so we r agred that either it is either a £20 nokia phone,bb or iphone my point still remains that there was no need for advertisement.dont blame me for thinking the nigerian attitude was shiningthrough because there simply was no need or the announcement,for all i know you might be using a £10 crappy phone after all there is complete anonymity on the internet lol bushman??well if i am still a bushman after many years sojourn in your country by birth i reckon,and mine by aquired britico p then you british ppl have not done such a good job then have you

Tudór:

no offense but you've not said anything in this thread other than screaming racism without proof. . .do they also call it ''empty barrel'' in the academia?I disagree, i think its coz they listen to racist lunatics who scream racism at the slightest opportunity prolly hoping sue and 'compensation pay checks'- i've seen this happen many timesoh 'mr academic' the bnp, and the good people of crystal palace are merely expressing thier views too right?

lol i can imagine you huffing and puffing while writing your retort,cause your comments are so abrasive and dripping with vitriol my dear sister you need to really calm down so you dont burst a crucial artery in your brain,as it seems you are taking this wayyy too personal,while i love you and everyone else i come across if you are making ignorant and naive comments i will point them out to you,as for the academic you keep on mentioning dont blame me,i suffered for it so if i shout from the roof tops that i have achieved this then with all sense of humility i deserve it and my sleepless nights,migraines will bear me witness. if it is a sore point for you,then simply goback to school after all theres student loans and bursaries as a catalyst, again i will re iterate that if .you have not learnt anything from my comments then i refer back to the analogy i made about the pebble in the ocean this particular part of your comments have shown that you have absolutely no clue about what is going on around you and i simly cant help you if you r not willing to learn. as for calling me a lunatic and all sorts,well im not really suprised as i have come to the firm conclusions that most times the wording,style eloquence e.t.c of our comments online is a clear reflection of our personalities in the real world

Tudór:

Yet you imply they are racists,how funny. . . I guess '' you're soooo into you delusions'' too, right?Mr academic, your EVIDENCE THAT THE PEOPLE OF CRYSTAL PALACE are racists, is what?? I thought you boasted few posts ago that you debate with 'academic and scientific facts'? Why is this so hard for you?

i will try my best to explain again,hopefully you will get it now, first of all there is direct and indirect racism, it is in all criminological textbooks,it is not my word or creation,second there is unwitting racism or racism with intent,protests such as this comes under both its a mixture of both while there are some people who are genuinely campaigning because they will love the reopening of the cinema in their community the majority protest have racial undertones.
1.why was the place shut for probably years without a cinema,and they didnt make any effort to re open it?
2.the reasons for their rejection is not the fact that the church will cause a disturbance,but the fact that they want their community cinema back
3.i dot know crystal palace area that much because i dnt live in london,but i can assure you that there will be more than one odeon or amc e.t.c cinemas around their geographical areas
now while these reasons i have given might not be the main reasons,they are compelling reasons which have shown that "as budding academic"(yea i said it again suck it up!!lol) there is more to do with that particular protest than what they are saying i hope you also realise that racism is not in just the way it is shown or what people do,it is more about what people do not do or ignore, if a white person or brown or whatever leaves u sat at your table and serves others it might be as a result of racial prejudice but you might feel its just normal

Tudór:

I awit your proof that the residents of cp run away from every blackman they see, this should be a simple task for mr super academic shouldnt it?what is this? How does this prove your assertion therz a racist motive behind this resistance? AGAIN I ASK, where is your EVIDENCE to show the residents are RACIALLY biased towards the church or its leadership?

my dear sister,you have again over simplified the issue here,this is not the way my own mind works,if you r thinking this way then why dont you show me proof that racial segregation was wrong?? after all what the white people did was to foster unity within the black community by creating a seperate door,toilet e.t.c for them to use right?lol
why dont you show me proof that rracial profiling is racist then??after all the overwhelming number of black people that are stopped and searched are most likely to have committed a crime or about to right??
remember the police actually conduct these stop and search in inner city urbane areas, so why do you think academics,politicians e.t.c have condemned it as wrong??
after all going by your thinking there is no clear cut physical evidence

Tudór:

, Crime is crime and sin is sin irrespective of which specifics or did the bible ashimolowo sold you omit that?

true,you are right,and his bible i presume didnt omit that but i bought my bible online in praisegate ministeries

Tudór:

its wierd aint it? A 'man of god' would merchandise the word of god but distribute a self-promoting book for free.

hmmnnn, your proly right,but hey!salvation is an individual thing so i m sure on the day of judgement i or you wont be answering for whatever might be his or anyone's short comings but ours secondly if he has painstakingly researched,and written books out of his own knowledge and time then shouldnt h be rewarded for that?so if darren brown is justified to make money from his toil,should a man of GOD be excluded from that rule?

Tudór:

Hmmmoh really? Well since you solely give credit to the ''church'' for kepping nigeria together

i'm not sure i did that all i said was that the church in nigeria have played a major role concerning social responsibilty,they have taken it upon themselves where the government have failed even though it is a government responsibility.tb joshua is a private pastor or prophet with a private ministry but he is doing more for the community,widows,armed robbers e.t.c than the local government is doing surely he deserves credit for that same as others,imagine if the christians had retaliated without listening to men and women of GOD in the last os massacre will there be peace in that region ttoday?i dont think so please reasn objectively my dear sister

Tudór:

I guess credit should also go to the CHURCH fOR the bangladeshi, white and black youths who aren't in jail in the Uk, right?

no credit should be given to the islamic community as well did you know that an average asian is more likely to make bail than an average black youth?simply because the crminal justice system recognises that they have a stable familial,community life than the average black person all the police need to do most times is to go to the local mosque and the head imams will take charge of the whole situation,they see the imam both old and young as the rallying point so you are actually not far off the mark

Tudór:

You are a genius! Pls when u open up that primary school of yours in naija remind me to recommend every racist bigot n their offspring to u for 'education' so they can be ''academics'' like u,

no i am not a genius but i know i am pretty brilliant though lol came out with a first okie i will do thanks a lot,i am trying to put my little money where my mouth is hence the initiative ,again like i have re iterated in my past comments strive to read on these issues,broaden your mind and learn that things are not just the way they seem with a cursory look and you will be the better for itxxshalom
how was church today,hope you were blessed? shalom

GODSON2009:


lol well then so we r agred that either it is either a £20 nokia phone,bb or iphone my point still remains that there was no need for advertisement.dont blame me for thinking the nigerian attitude was shiningthrough because there simply was no need or the announcement,for all i know you might be using a £10 crappy phone after all there is complete anonymity on the internet lol bushman??

i merely stated the truth which was attempts to quote ur your lenghty post was freezing my device which was all the more worsened by the fact that your post contained no substance but empty ramblings.

If i had said it was freezing my computer that in your skwewed world wouldnt count as 'announcement' right?

you,as for the academic you keep on mentioning dont blame me,i suffered for it so if i shout from the roof tops that i have achieved this then with all sense of humility i deserve it and my sleepless nights,migraines will bear me witness. if it is a sore point for you,then simply goback to school after all theres student loans and bursaries as a catalyst,

Noisemaker!!

One admits your senseless post freezes his/her device you scream 'announcement' 'nigerian factor' yet here you are ranting about 'acheivements'. Are you a confused man?



Even Einstein who discovered E=mc2 didnt make as much noise instead a small boy with a degree in 'criminology' where they teach how to babysit convicts is now claiming 'genius'. I tire o.

You have done nothing here to show you even worked for your primary 6 certificate. Every educated infant knows you don't go around accusing others of bigotry without proof.

again i will re iterate that if .you have not learnt anything from my comments then i refer back to the analogy i made about the pebble in the ocean this particular part of your comments have shown that you have absolutely no clue about what is going on around you and i simly cant help you if you r not willing to learn.

oh i've learnt something. I've learnt how to type absolute crap in so many words. . .might come in handy if i ever have a dead brain.

first of all there is direct and indirect racism, it is in all criminological textbooks,it is not my word or creation,second there is unwitting racism or racism with intent,protests such as this comes under both its a mixture of both while there are some people who are genuinely campaigning because they will love the reopening of the cinema in their community the majority protest have racial undertones.

Omg! I keep asking you, WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THIS BOLD STATEMENT?

can you not read? I ask for evidence of a racial motive behind this protest and you keep making baseless assertions
.

If this case where to be in a courtroom is this how you gonna prove your case or did they not teach you in criminology classes?

1.why was the place shut for probably years without a cinema,and they didnt make any effort to re open it?

2.the reasons for their rejection is not the fact that the church will cause a disturbance,but the fact that they want their community cinema back

3.i dot know crystal palace area that much because i dnt live in london,but i can assure you that there will be more than one odeon or amc e.t.c cinemas around their geographical areas

now while these reasons i have given might not be the main reasons,they are compelling reasons which have shown that "as budding academic"(yea i said it again suck it up!!lol) there is more to do with that particular protest than what they are saying i hope you also realise that racism is not in just the way it is shown or what people do,it is more about what people do not do or ignore, if a white person or brown or whatever leaves u sat at your table and serves others it might be as a result of racial prejudice but you might feel its just normal

4 days mr academic, 4 Days! and this is all you could bring to show the people of c.palace are racists.

Its clearly stated in the article that
1. There is limited parking space in the area.
2. A congregation of 1400+ would cause congestion.
3. Such congestion would discourage people from shopping in the area, this leads to loss of economy.
4. A church adds no economic viability to the area.
5. The protesters would like the premises to maintain its official status as a 'public and leisure' building.
6. A cinema also entered the bidding process to get the building but was outbid by KICC.
7. The residents mainly prefer the cinima company to be given the building as it'll both preserve the original use of the property as well as adding economic viability to the community.

Now, HOW DOES THIS MAKE THEM RACISTS??

whats the difference between this and a group of individuals who protest that a disco hall had won and been awarded a property instead of a grocery store company - which woulda created alot of jobs and commerce - who came second in the bid? I guess according to ur almighty wisdom they're racists too?

my dear sister,you have again over simplified the issue here,this is not the way my own mind works,if you r thinking this way then why dont you show me proof that racial segregation was wrong??

This is silly, are we talking about right and wrong here?

I simply asked you to show there's a racist motive behind this protest and you're bleating off topic.

why dont you show me proof that r

why dont you show me proof that rracial profiling is racist then??after all the overwhelming number of black people that are stopped and searched are most likely to have committed a crime or about to right??

if a policeman targets black people based on their skin colour isn't that racist?
If you cannot prove this and you go shooting-off your mouth and calling him a racist, isnt that libellous?

Listen my friend, i dont deal with misplaced sentiments. Allegations such as bigotry have to backed up with evidence else you're just soiling the reputation of a good man.

I will never stand for any ignoramus out there who accuses others of bigotry without proof.

;Dhmmnnn, your proly right,but hey!salvation is an individual thing so i m sure on the day of judgement i or you wont be answering for whatever might be his or anyone's short comings but ours secondly if he has painstakingly researched,and written books out of his own knowledge [/b]and time then shouldnt h be rewarded for that?so if darren brown is justified to make money from his toil,should a man of GOD be excluded from that rule?

Thanks for verifying that your pastor writes materials from his [b]OWN KNOWLEDGE[/b ].

Silly me. And here was I assuming it was [b]God's Word inspired from heaven given to his children through his messenger. Thanks for clearing that up.

I still await this elusive 'scientific' scientific proof mr genius, since you boasted you debate only with 'scientific proof'. I wonder why its so hard for you.
I'll prolly give you another 4 days to come up with more crap.

Tudór:

i merely stated the truth which was attempts to quote your your lenghty post was freezing my device which was all the more worsened by the fact that your post contained no substance but empty ramblings.

lol i see maybe you simply should have used a pc or laptop,instead of the unsolicited announcement,it takes two to ramble. maybe all i was doing was simply responding to your retorts.again i will re -iterate for the umpteenth time that if a lunatic uses a bundle of £50 notes to clean his arse,doesnt mean the money is worthless does it??just means he doesnt appreciate or cant see the value in it, go figure!!
it takes an appreciation for art to know a van gogh is expensive,if you offer it to a market woman in ajegunle,she wont pay 1,000 naira for it

Tudór:

If i had said it was freezing my computer that in your skwewed world wouldnt count as 'announcement' right?Noisemaker!!

i still would have wondered what the corellation was between a random debate with a total nobody on an online portal and my "hand held device" computer,satellite or whatever

Tudór:

One admits your senseless post freezes his/her device you scream 'announcement' 'nigerian factor' yet here you are ranting about 'acheivements'. Are you a confused man?

no i am not a confused man,while you had no need to show us that you have a hand held device,i was simpy stating a pertinent fact that was connected to the discourse,you dont see me mentioning the car i drive or my wrist watch,family pedigree e.t.c because the have absolutely nothing to do with the debate

Tudór:

Even Einstein who discovered E=mc2 didnt make as much noise instead a small boy with a degree in 'criminology' where they teach how to babysit convicts is now claiming 'genius'. I tire o.

lol sorry o aunty tudor,were you there when einstein was alive,so how did you know he didnt? loool at the risk of pissing you off again i dont have only a degree in criminology i have much more than a degree,and the discipline is important for the sake of people like you who are either naive or ignorant about what goes on around them, people like you will probably thank the white man for rescuing you from the dark ages in africa to a new world. if not for criminology and researches by social scientists the average white man would have inculcated racist theories like that of the biological positivists,lombroso,engel classical theorists into mainstream academia,then i would have liked to see how you will re act if anyone showed you a text book pointing out your physical features as a black lady and how this translates to being a criminal biologically e.t.c

Tudór:

You have done nothing here to show you even worked for your primary 6 certificate. Every educated infant knows you don't go around accusing others of bigotry without proof. oh i've learnt something. I've learnt how to type absolute crap in so many words. . .might come in handy if i ever have a dead brain. Omg! I keep asking you, WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THIS BOLD STATEMENT?

so are we agreed that i have a primary 6 certificate then? educated infant??lool didnt know education started from the womb these days lool, lol you are sooo entertaining,if you r like this in real life i bet you will have loads of friends cause i can read your funny comments all day long,i will allow readers to judge which of us has asingle celled brain going by the contents of the replies,the insults, verbal barbs,crass naivety and ignorance,ignorant assumptions, and simplistic explanations , me and my brother are lol here reading all your drivel

Tudór:

can you not read? I ask for evidence of a racial motive behind this protest and you keep making baseless assertions
.

because i have tried to reply you with textbook standard criminological explanations so that it wont seem as if i am just making empty assertions,but in your biased naivety you have refused to learn,the only thing i can do is to show you a real life instance this time involving muslims.
check this link out, http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100403/tuk-violence-at-anti-mosque-protest-6323e80.html

Tudór:

If this case where to be in a courtroom is this how you gonna prove your case or did they not teach you in criminology classes?4 days mr academic, 4 Days! and this is all you could bring to show the people of c.palace are racists.

if this case was to be in a court room,i am sorry but someone of your ilk solely basd on the contents of your replies wouldnt be allowed in anyway which im sure you will agree,secondly with my limited knowledge of law,it is argued by presedence and what the books says,including theories and common sense which if applied to this paticular issue on the whole will show the complete picture and not the corner of the picture you keep focusing on and stubbornly staring at without stepping back to behold the complete canvass

Tudór:

Its clearly stated in the article that
1. There is limited parking space in the area.

aunty tudor,did you read this before posting?? if it is turned back into a cinema,where would the cinema goers be parking their cars as well?besides if 1400 worshippers are allowed in the church,then the same number will be allowed into a cinema no? so tell me in your superior knowledge how this impacts upon who is allowed to operate the premises bearing in mind that the same demographics use both places.
it is worse with cinemas because the mass of people will be oing in and out till at least 1 am on a typical weekend,compared with a church

Tudór:

2. A congregation of 1400+ would cause congestion.

refer to your first question's answer

Tudór:

3. Such congestion would discourage people from shopping in the area, this leads to loss of economy.

i see,could you explain this please,cause it is not making any iota of sense to me??or are we inferring that the members of k.i.c.c dont have purchasing power,bearing in mind that crystal palace area like many parts of london is home to a population of minority ethnic groups who are represented in the church.maybe you should go to waterden road where k.i.c.c was using before and find out how many of their members purchased houses and still leave and shop in east london,stratford and surrounding areas.

Tudór:

4. A church adds no economic viability to the area.

yes it does, the property prices in that area will be positively affected because a number of church members will naturally desire to live nearby,having a church in that area will drive business up for shops both corner shop,supermarkets,higher revenue for the borough from the church than a cinema, this is just me living in manchester how much more a proper research done on its perceived economic influence

Tudór:

5. The protesters would like the premises to maintain its official status as a 'public and leisure' building.

maybe they should have thought of that before leaving the premises dis used or run down for k.i.c.c to approach the councill,pay for the building or in the process of paying for it e.t.c i dont see k.i.c.c offering odeon cinema money to sell their cinemas do you?

Tudór:

6. A cinema also entered the bidding process to get the building but was outbid by KICC.

so we are both agreed that kicc won the bid fair and square?
and also that the community or the protesters were well aware of the parties involved in the bidding process,but never raised any objection untill kcc won right?

Tudór:

7. The residents mainly prefer the cinima company to be given the building as it'll both preserve the original use of the property as well as adding economic viability to the community.

from the little i know of bidding and stuffs, every party bidding for a particular building are known to the public so that an organised crime group e.t.c will not end up winning the bid,secondly particular demographics,companies or types of business are excluded if they have reasons to do so an example that readily comes to mind was the time 2/3 years ago when a nigerian consortium were trying to buy manchester city,even though they could afford it,they were not allowed to pay the asking price the manchester city board wanted,same goes for shinawatra who was advised to sell because of the coruption case he was involved in,hence if they saw nothing wrong with k.i.c.c being one of the bidders,how come they are now suddenly seen as undesirables?
lastly an important issue we seemto be forgetting is that the protesters,are not the majority in crystal palace,hence the fact that a number of residents cant be bothered either due to famlial/work e.t.c committments does not mean that they do not want the church.i am sure we are also both agreed that there are well over 10,000 people at least in the whole of crystalpalace hence less than 4000 is hardly a majority

Tudór:

Now, HOW DOES THIS MAKE THEM RACISTS??

by the few reasons i have given in reply to your bullet points,and secondly by a parallel instance which i have posted the link you could check on yahoo news as well and see the similarities with this paticular case theirs is even worse because the councill were opposed unlike k.i.c.c but they won fair and square in a law court

Tudór:

whats the difference between this and a group of individuals who protest that a disco hall had won and been awarded a property instead of a grocery store company - which woulda created alot of jobs and commerce - who came second in the bid? I guess according to your almighty wisdom they're racists too?
This is silly, are we talking about right and wrong here?

well the instance you have given is hardly similar is it?a club or disco hall or any business of that sort will definitely destabilise a family serene community, apart from the incessant noise it will attract undesirables,crime to the area.
k.i.c.c being a church will mop up the undesirables and mnace in that community,and i am yet to see a instance where k.i.c.c or any bible believing church has attracted crime to an area

Tudór:

I simply asked you to show there's a racist motive behind this protest and you're bleating off topic.

well,i really cant do much "shopwing" or explanations if you have closed your mind off to learning what you obviously are ignorant about can i?

Tudór:

if a policeman targets black people based on their skin colour isn't that racist?

well you cant prove it though can you?? especially if the policeman didnt make any racially biased comments,and if he has a seemenly good reason for targetting them?so how will you prove racism then going by your wonky assertions?

Tudór:

If you cannot prove this and you go shooting-off your mouth and calling him a racist, isnt that libellous?

lool now we are getting somewhere,if social scientists were to follow this line of reasoning do you realise that we will be like at least 100 years behind in critical race theories and criminological explanations??i bet you didnt know lol

Tudór:

Listen my friend, i dont deal with misplaced sentiments. Allegations such as bigotry have to backed up with evidence else you're just soiling the reputation of a good man.

mmn i see, i really dont blame you having read your first couple of lines in this particular set of retorts, let me ask you how did lord macpherson come to the conclusion that there was institutional racism in the metropolitan police force without such clear cut black and white evidence you are seeking for after inquiries into the stephen lawrence murder case?? i can avail you of the complete report if you will like to read it and many more lol
a quick point concerning the report and the whole debacle is that every single police personell accused have consistently denied,and there has been no conclusive proof going by your assertions in your infinte knowledge i guess they are not guilty then

Tudór:

I will never stand for any ignoramus out there who accuses others of bigotry without proof.Thanks for verifying that your pastor writes materials from his [b]OWN KNOWLEDGE[/b ].

first pastor ashimolowo is not my pastor,i attend redeemed church not k.i.c c i just happen to respect and appreciate the calling of GOD upon his life,he writes from "his own knowledge" of the impartationof the word,in other words his own explanations and interpretations of the word of GOD, and like marxism espounds is simply getting paid for his property i.e knowledge,his brain his hands eyes e.t.c.secondly i have given you real life instances and have asked you to point out how you would have come to a conclusion of racial prejudice or institutional racism if you were in the position of authority seeing as you have been rambling on about proof, i will be waiting for your helpful input concerning the macpherson enquiry on stephen lawrence,since it seems you have a repository of knowledge which people like macpherson,the home office,criminological theorists,social scientists,academicians e.t.c dont have

Tudór:

Silly me. And here was I assuming it was God's Word inspired from heaven given to his children through his messenger. Thanks for clearing that up.

lastly a

dont you dare beat yourself up over this!! you r not silly you are simply being naive and ignorant(in a good way of course )
talk about stating the obvious,s there any other way of the impartation?
btw,some of his books are not strictly religious lie the best seller"what is wrong with being black" is more of a chronology of black history using research and facts about the history and originns of blacks and africans he has done, you really should read about stuffs before making comments

Tudór:

I still await this elusive 'scientific' scientific proof mr genius, since you boasted you debate only with 'scientific proof'. I wonder why its so hard for you.
I'll prolly give you another 4 days to come up with more crap.

thanks for giving me time to marshall my thoughs,just got back from the cinema have you seen clash of the titans in 3d?you should its really nice now enuff of the friendly chatter you wont recognise scientific explanations or theories if it landed on your head or dropped on your laps,so why should i bother poring over books and journals when you have not made the slightest attempt to learn?
in order for you to learn go and goggle and read the journal article shame rage and racist violence,
go and read du bois and his critical race theories
fakete liz new race and xenophobia,khoury(2009) policing of riots(filtering urbane space theory). sivanandra(ccheck international institute of race relationsonline and his article on intergration)kundani 2001, if you are rreally interested in knowing what these theorists have said about racial prejudice and answers to your question about evidence e.t.c let me know and i will provide you helpful journals holdaways journal about the new "suspect community" will explain in proper detailed context,british journal of criminology will give youproperly researched and documented statistics on racial prejudice,you could google state sanctioned racism and racial profiling as well and see what this means
google for the name paul gilroy and his theories on this same issue,he is still alive and if you want to just saunter over to university of london,he is the head of department and a known authority worldwide

if you are willig to learn,then i will make the effort to henceforth reply your comments simply by posting relevant journals and articles to answer your questions.

lastly,a patronising comment lol "reading broadens your mind and empowers you,so read and be knowledgeable about going ons around you, even the bible says we should seek knowledge to show ourselves approved make sure you are in church tmorrow shalom and have a noce one

wat is goin on here?? ehn

at the end pastor matthew will drive up to his reserved space in his hummer

whilst 1300 people continue lamenting!!

o see the glory of God!

ayettymama:

wat is goin on here?? ehn

at the end pastor matthew will drive up to his reserved space in his hummer

whilst 1300 people continue lamenting!!

o see the glory of God!

I wonder!!!! Even our so-called "educated" people are easily fooled or sometimes even brain-washed. Otherwise, how difficult is it to see through the chicanery of Ashimolowo and his ilk? Especially, since he teamed up with the American Word of Faith heretics in the 90s- early 00s for his "International Gathering of Champions", the guy has so patently and shamefully been twisting scriptures to fleece misguided folk. He is at his worst, possibly, when trying to raise money on television for the so-called "God Channel". Bunch of wolves in sheep's clothing!

Enigma:

I wonder!!!! Even our so-called "educated" people are easily fooled or sometimes even brain-washed. Otherwise, how difficult is it to see through the chicanery of Ashimolowo and his ilk? Especially, since he teamed up with the American Word of Faith heretics in the 90s for his "international Gathering of Champions", the guy has so patently and shamefully been twisting scriptures to fleece misguided folk. He is at his worst, possibly, when trying to raise money on television for the so-called "God Channel". Bunch of wolves in sheep's clothing!

everything u have written here is hogwash

when u post pls back it up

gimme examples

He has taken the scriptures to places even the diciples didnt reach

wat do unno about his work since the 90's- pls

once the man of God gets money- hes becomes a rogue

im done i wont debate with you

im very aware of the good that comes out of it

you dont know the number of youths that are saved

people that see God for the first time

the followers from even islamic countries

the money donated to poverty stricken areas

pls what u dont no dont judge

people like you crucified Jesus

^^^^  If it suits you to keep contributing 10% of your monthly income ("tithes") and more so that Matthew can "drive up to his reserved space in his hummer", I cannot stop you. However, I have known Matthew's church even before it moved to Waterden Road and have seen him in action and have made my own assessment. You don't have to agree with my assessment and as I said it is your choice to keep giving 10% (and more) of your monthly income to maintain Ashimolowo in the style to which he has become accustomed.

yes then when u speak quote;
according to my personal assesments and observations
im very well aware u dont no jack!
but like i said i wont argue with u!

Hey stop fighting. And tudor is not a woman/female. It offends ME when you call him 'my dear sister'.

For the first time i will agree partially with Tudor and Manmusteat about some these pastor's flanbouyant life style it's way beyond the church mission it's self even though the have to have a very good standard of living. Also i'm not particularly for churches being set up on every corner of the street, no' it doesn't signifies the true parctise of christianity either. BUT I'M FOR Churches to have their way in acquiring sites or abandoned buildings but with modesty and for the true purpose of God's work not underlying business expansion.

Overall i agree with KICC in acuiring the old acade bingo House looking at it from moral angle.  Planting another cinema will spring up the crime rate and anti-social behaviour in that very neighbourhood as it is everywhere.

so in your own opinion is it fair to pass judgement on an issue soely based upon the astor's personal life?irrespective of pastor ashimoloo's personal life or the car he drives,the issue in this case should be judged based upon its merits and demerits and for anyone to tell me that it has no racial undertones is a fallacy of the highest order, most people on here seems to be making comments based on the fact of pastor ashimolowo as an individual, what if he was a nigerian businessman and employer of labour,ould that make any difference??

b.t.w i am not one of those who call pastors daddy,idolise or deify any man or woman of GOD i fact i dont relate with any pastor personally after church matters my own parish pastor inclusive,and i will certainly point out and highlight any excesses i see in any man or woman of GOD because the bible has given me the authority to do so

this will sound terrible
but i will say it anyway
the church isnt for losers
it will help losers to come out winning
but if ur all for bein an average person with an average mind and average lifestyle
the church isnt for u
people need to stop complaining
if ur church is catered to the average- ur pastor should and will be average
KICC is not!- the church is meant to raise leaders- not losers
and the lifestyle of the pastor must reflect that- otherwise i will say he's lying!
soo continue wetting yourself because the man is succesful
spread the word! appreciate it!
thousands will still flock in every sunday
and pastor matthews pockets (and mine ) will continue to grow!

skyone:

For the first time i will agree partially with Tudor and Manmusteat about some these pastor's flanbouyant life style it's way beyond the church mission it's self even though the have to have a very good standard of living. Also i'm not particularly for churches being set up on every corner of the street, no' it doesn't signifies the true parctise of christianity either. BUT I'M FOR Churches to have their way in acquiring sites or abandoned buildings but with modesty and for the true purpose of God's work not underlying business expansion.

Overall i agree with KICC in acuiring the old acade bingo House looking at it from moral angle.  Planting another cinema will spring up the crime rate and anti-social behaviour in that very neighbourhood as it is everywhere.

You can suit yourself agreeing with the devil ahn; It doesnt matter whether ur position on an issue is right or wrong, u can still state ur position without agreeing with d devil!!

You shudnt even deceive yourself agreeing with d church acquiring d prop, because u already agreed with people dat are openly opposed to d spread of d gospel of Jesus Christ on this forum

I'm New to this site, however after reading some of your comments on here, there seems to be some kind of Grieviance towards KICC & its members especially towards the founder himself Matthew.
Firstly, I must say with all RESPECT that there is absolutely No HARM in having a Church within that Neighbourhood OR any of its Surroundings Areas for that Matter.
Secondly, Matthew's so called LAVISH lifestyle has got absolutely nothing to do with any other person but with GOD ALMIGTHY. As long as the Church itself is Not harbouring FUGITIVES OR conducting ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES OR CITING HATREDNESS like ABDUL HAMZAH was, it shouldn't become an ISSUE.
In my Opinion, i'll rather see a Church within the Neighbourhood, where God's Presence will Reign, rather than a Cinema where DRUGS & GUN CRIME will continue to Prevail.
Let's continue to PREACH the word of God in our COMMUNITY! PEACE be Unto U All!

Christ said we shud not force those that reject d gospel. Let him get his money and leave them, if God have anytin 4 dem dere He wil stil breakthrough

KICC has decided not to appeal the denial of planning permission

http://www.crystalpalacelocal.co.uk/local-issues-a-groups/campaigns/384-kicc-church-will-not-appeal-the-council-decision

Although it seems they might use the venue for 'concerts' instead of using it strictly as a place worship as they originally intended.

http://www.crystalpalacelocal.co.uk/local-issues-a-groups/campaigns/420-cinema-for-crystal-palace-picture-palace-campaign-august-newsletter

Hi has KICC got a hospital or school for the poor, just want to know about their charitable works b4 i make a comment on this issue.

thanks

Hi has KICC got a hospital or school for the poor, just want to know about their charitable works b4 i make a comment on this issue.

thanks

I understand there are proposals to build a university and hospital in the Senior Pastor's home state(Osun State)

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I understand there are proposals to build a university and hospital in the Senior Pastor's home state(Osun State)

o right so they don't actually use the money collected to help the less fortunate in society?

smh

the summary of the whole matter is this

Once a Pastor is popular He is definitely a rogue

Once a Pastor is buoyant enough to live large, then he must be a rogue

If a Pastor can't be "poor" for the sake of your deluded mind, then he is a rogue

Whatever the case is, every pastor is a rogue.

WHAT THE Zap IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!!!