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Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by stonemasonn: 8:59pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
IndianBwoy:which of the Gods is responsible for wealth and success and which is for good health? |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by IndianBwoy(m): 9:29pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
nemesis2u: That quotes originly by bishop Desmond Tutu I believe. 1 Like |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by IndianBwoy(m): 9:39pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Godgay: Ur name says so. Sacrifices: Most folk Hinduism and tribal Hinduism follow animal sacrifice as well as plant sacrifice depending on the culture. But the majority Hindu of Aryavrata follow strictly plant-based sacrifi e. Generally offered foods are symbolically distributed back to the public as blessings (prasad) of the diety. Sacrifice is generally food because it is a badic necessity of life. However other actions can also imply a sacrifice.e.g. burning of incense etc. The Sanskrit yajna (yajña, modern Hindi pronunciation: yagya) is often translated as "sacrifice" (also "offering, oblation", or more generically as "worship".It is especially used to describe the offering of ghee (clarified butter), grains, spices, and wood into a fire along with the chanting of sacred mantras. The fire represents Agni, the divine messenger who carries offerings to the Devas.The offerings can represent devotion, aspiration, and seeds of past karma. In Vedic times, yajna commonly included the sacrifice of milk, ghee, curd, grains, and the soma plant—animal offerings were less common.In modern times, yajna is often performed at weddings and funerals, and in personal worship. Sacrifice in Hinduism can also refer to personal surrender through acts of inner and outer worship. Yagyas involve strictly plant sacrifice today. |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by IndianBwoy(m): 9:40pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
deloon: Sure just follow me. My religion is an Indian Traditional Religion not Vedic Hinduism although we follow both. I recently posted a thread in the culture section but had to shut it due to lots of mockery and abuse against my faith. |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by Godstraight(m): 9:43pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
IndianBwoy:okay pls what's the major difference between this religion and Buddhism |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by Nobody: 9:44pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
@ johnydon22 "But that doesnt make it correct. . . and really i do not pay mind to it when people interpret a little part of their "holy book" to reconcile with a scientific thesis and claim his religion already knew that. nemesis is not the only person to have ever done this, Christians and muslims do it like everyday " first things first Hinduism don't have so called sanctioned holy books like Christians and Muslims and just like u i too do not pay mind to it when people interpret a little part of their "holy book" to reconcile with a scientific thesis and claim his religion already knew that because that is plain stupid isnt it one line proverbs and edicts leading to explanations of hundreds of pages of science . just plain absurd isn't it . its like u just passed your kindergarten exams but ended up with PHD but what about hundreds and thousands pages and pages of manuscripts which touch upon issues of creation time space etc Vedaism / Hinduism are not religion , this is a tag given by the western world and unfortunately accepted by the adherents in the last 100 years. Christianity has bible and testament 1000 years old Islam has koran and hadith 800-900 years old Hinduism has 1 the vedas : Rigveda, the Yajurveda, the Samaveda and the Atharvaveda dating back to approx. 2000-1600 BC maybe even older. 2.upanishads upto 200 Upanishads are known , dating back to 6th century BC 3.puranas 4.mahabharata dates back to 8th and 9th centuries BCE .The Mahabharata is the longest known epic poem and has been described as "the longest poem ever written".[7][8] Its longest version consists of over 100,000 shloka or over 200,000 individual verse lines (each shloka is a couplet), and long prose passages. About 1.8 million words in total, the Mahabharata is roughly ten times the length of the Iliad and the Odyssey combined, or about four times the length of the Ramayana 5.gita dates back to third or fourth millennium BCE 6.Vedangas 7.Shastras and sutras 8.ramayana dates back to 4th century BC etc etc would combine to give us millions of pages of very ancient human though , barely 10 % of them discuss religion , mainly concentrating on spiritual aspects and scientific thoughts (if u may orgive me for using this word ) let me give a example a section of the Vedas known as the Brahmanas contains this statement , this is the translated version “The sun never sets or rises. When people think the sun is setting, he only changes about after reaching the end of the day and makes night below and day to what is on the other side. Then, when people think he rises in the morning, he only shifts himself about after reaching the end of the day night, and makes day below and night to what is on the other side. In truth, he does not see at all.” tell me is this statement ambiguous and unscientific, or does it poetically (it is in prayer verse /mantra form ) implies rotation of the earth and its spherical shape or tell me is this unscientific "The 8.64 billion years that mark a full day-and-night cycle in Brahma’s life is about half the modern estimate for the age of the universe. The ancient Hindus believed that each Brahma day and each Brahma night lasted a kalpa, 4.32 billion years, with 72,000 kalpas equaling a Brahma century, 311,040 billion years in all. That the Hindus could conceive of the universe in terms of billions." or tell me is this unscientific translated "Seven horses draw the chariot of Surya". Rig Veda 5. 45. 9 Surya = sun and why seven horse not 2 , 4, 6, 8 horses since horses r always in pairs to pull chariots. unless these seven horses are the seven colors comprising light. or is this unscientific quote from Mahabharata translated "An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as ten thousand Suns Rose in all its splendor......it was an unknown weapon, An iron thunderbolt, A gigantic messenger of death, Which reduced to ashes. The Entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas....the corpses were so burned As to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white. After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected......To escape from this fire. The soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment..." hairs and nails fell ? birds turned white? After a few hours all foodstuffs were infected? what to make of this lines, unscientific lol or is this unscientific in Upanishad, there’s a line: “Poornasya poornam aadaya poornameva visish-yate”. To mathematically explain this, we have to assume that the first poornam represents infinity and the second, zero. In Sanskrit, poornam means both full and zero. it tells how to distinguish between these two notions which are mutually contradictory and which are the inverse of each other. and that division by zero gave them infinity. The symbol for infinity is called the leminiscate. English mathematician John Wallis introduced this symbol for the first time in 1655. Hindu mythological iconography contains a similar symbol representing the same idea. The symbol is that of Ananta, the great Adisesha of infinity and eternity, which is always represented, coiled up in a horizontal figure of 8 just like the leminiscate. regarding infinity The Taittiriya Upanishad says: yatho vacho nivartante, apraapya manasa saha — where mind and speech return (being) unable to comprehend. or is this unscientific Mahapurana claims the something as modern as the following: (translation from [5]) "Some foolish men declare that a Creator made the world. The doctrine that the world was created is ill-advised, and should be rejected. If God created the world, where was he before creation?... How could God have made the world without any raw material? If you say He made this first, and then the world, you are faced with an endless regression... Know that the world is uncreated, as time itself is, without beginning and end. And it is based on principles." Puranas define the paramanu, which is on the order of a few hundred thousandths of a second what is the need for such small scale , they have no religious purpose maybe scientific what say u what is unscientific about this The Aitareya Upanishad says: “Creatures, plants, horses, cows, men, elephants, whatsoever breathes, whether moving or flying and, in addition, whatsoever is immovable – all this is led by mind and is supported on mind. Mind is the final reality.” i have not even touched .0000001 % of what was achieved @godgay Unless we recognize the fact that the Vedic hymns and the Puranic story of Vedic origin are deliberate camouflage and allegory - we cannot interpret them or understand their true meaning. To do otherwise would lead us to the same kind of ridiculous conclusion reached by British astronomer, Patrick Moore, who wrote, "The Vedic priest in India believed that the world to be supported upon twelve massive pillars, during the hours of darkness, the Sun passed underneath, somehow managing to thread its way between the pillars without hitting them. According to the Hindus, Earth stood on the back of four elephants, the elephants in turn rested upon the back of a huge tortoise, while the tortoise itself was supported by a serpent floating in a limitless ocean. One cannot help feeling sorry for the serpent.!" In fact, after the chaff is removed, the Puranas have a kernel and exhibits what may be termed a reverse symbolism. The twelve pillars that support the world are evidently the twelve months of the year, and they are specifically mentioned in the Vedic hymns. The four elephants on which Earth rests are the Dikarin, the sentinels of the four directions. These in turn rest, in turn, on a tortoise and a serpent. The tortoise is Vishnu's Kurma or tortoise avatar and symbolizes the fact that the Earth is supported in space in its annual orbit around the Sun. Finally, the coiled serpent represents Earth's rotation. Vishnu, or the Sun, himself rests upon a coiled snake - the Ananta, or Adisesha, which represents the rotation of the Sun on its own axis. Ages ago, the vast subcontinent of India birthed explorers and innovators who focused on the inner realm. Those geniuses - spiritual sages or scientists of consciousness, depending on your perspective - gave us, through a series of modern translators and adapters, insights that have profoundly influenced religion, healthcare, psychology, the arts and other areas of life. The way we understand ourselves and the universe has been shaped by ancient India more than we can readily appreciate or understand Heisenberg stated, "Quantum theory will not look ridiculous to people who have read Vedanta." Vedanta is the conclusion of Vedic thought. Henry David Thoreau said: "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita... in comparison with which... our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial." Julius Robert Oppenheimer, the principle developer of the atomic bomb, stated that "The Vedas are the greatest privilege of this century." rest what u decide or think is upto u all |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by IndianBwoy(m): 9:51pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
stonemasonn: Depends on the idol you choose. In our culture , its generally Lord Ganesha. (Thus the bug elephant head). Goddess Saraswati also though she is more towards the music arts and the creative aspects and designa of nature. Health.. could be any God I guess. Im not sure. It is mostly karmic consequences. Ashvins, twin doctors of the Gods in mythology and Gods of Ayurvedic medicine Lord Dhanvantari, physician of the Gods and God of Ayurvedic medicine. Considered an incarnation of Lord Vishnu, the preserver. Lord Dhatri, solar God of health and domestic tranquility Goddess Mariamman, goddess of disease and rain Shitala Devi, goddess of smallpox and disease |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by IndianBwoy(m): 10:13pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Godgay: Buddhism is manmade. Hinduism is natural. |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by Nobody: 10:48pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
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Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by Godstraight(m): 10:59pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
IndianBwoy:okay that's cool,about the incarnation, how about when you come to life again is it based on what you did in past life |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by IndianBwoy(m): 11:46pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
nemesis2u: Exactly. |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by IndianBwoy(m): 11:47pm On Apr 10, 2016 |
Godgay: Reincarnation. We know the soul doesnt die. Thats all. Yeah karmic consequences can be heavy. |
Re: GOD - Hinduism/paganism Vs Abrahamism by Godstraight(m): 12:44am On Apr 11, 2016 |
IndianBwoy:okay cool stuff |
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