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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by Nobody: 9:26am On Apr 12, 2016
One thing is clear, NASS is a big stumbling block to progress. How can you remove a project with this amount of benefit and replace it with constituency projects such as tricycles, bore holes and town hall meetings? How can senators from the areas to reap direct benefits close their eyes simply in the name of bad belle politics? How can you load up on the same constituency projects that your over bloated salary purports to cover on a monthly basis? Until Nigerians close ranks across parties and began to derive pleasure in having a good life rather than in seeing government fail, progress will be a mirage and the current 20-35 generation will fail in the same way as the others before it.

Nigerians wake up. This is not a party issue, this is a question of wasting four and possibly 8 years of your life if NASS and the judiciary has their way. And why should they care? They have enough stashed in cupboards, soakaways and tax havens. Your freedom is a threat to them because it means you will refuse to become cannon fodder and agents of obfuscation across social media.

It's your life.

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by sleazy5(m): 9:26am On Apr 12, 2016
MabraO:


Like I said
Comprehension is ur problem
The said project was omitted from the budget nd d minister during his defense sent in a supplementary copy of the omitted project to be added. The committee chairman didn't refute the claim.
Mind like d Nass said 54billion was said to be been floating common sense didn't tell them that it was meant for Lagos-Calaba rail.
Always learn to understand wotever u reading before commenting. U don't read d headlines den conclude u understand d message/news

You've not answered my question. Since when does the law permit a minister to submit a supplementary copy of his budget to the National assembly?. Put in another way is the National assembly permitted by law to receive the budget of a ministry whether substantive or supplementary copy from the minister himself?
When you've answered my question we can trash the issue of comprehension....

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by cktheluckyman: 9:27am On Apr 12, 2016
profdarkin:

Youare short-sighted that is why you cannot think deep and type with your brain using your hands.
From reports the six geopolitical zones have two members each in the appropriation committee, ask your brothers from SS/SE what they were doing when the calabar-lagos project was removed.

you should rather ask your SW APC senators what they were doing when the budget was amended after all the rail lines would even pass through more SW states than those of the SS/SE
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by Youngzedd(m): 9:27am On Apr 12, 2016
seunmsg:
Senator Ashafa has already clarified all that needs to be clarified on this controversy. The senate calling for Amaechi's resignation is a reckless attempt at face saving. They should simply return the N60 billion Lagos-Calabar coastal railway project to the budget as originally proposed by the transport ministry. That is the only thing Nigerians want to hear.

This is not about Amaechi, party or tribal politics. It's about opening up southern Nigeria for easy movement of people and goods. It's about opening up Calabar's tourist potentials to all parts of the South. This project must not be killed just to satisfy silly political interest.

Seconded.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by felifeli: 9:29am On Apr 12, 2016
seunmsg:
Senator Ashafa has already clarified all that needs to be clarified on this controversy. The senate calling for Amaechi's resignation is a reckless attempt at face saving. They should simply return the N60 billion Lagos-Calabar coastal railway project to the budget as originally proposed by the transport ministry. That is the only thing Nigerians want to hear.

This is not about Amaechi, party or tribal politics. It's about opening up southern Nigeria for easy movement of people and goods. It's about opening up Calabar's tourist potentials to all parts of the South. This project must not be killed just to satisfy silly political interest.

[size=14pt]This is the process required for amending a budget. Only the president has the constitutional authority to ask for amendment and it's done through a letter to NASS not a presentation by a minister to a committee. Ashafa only confirmed that his committee and Amaechi padded that part of the budget .[/size]

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by shamecurls(m): 9:30am On Apr 12, 2016
Kyase:

Babe one thing is certain, The north rules grin cheesy
Call your NASs reps in order, ours are representing wellwell cool

PDP or APC, The North leads them and they will keep following till Christ comes

#FearNorth

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by mekonglobal(m): 9:31am On Apr 12, 2016
Why is dis new rail project causing an issue in Nigeria? The old rail lines we have where 're the trains that will ply on it or have we been able to maintain them? This APC- led govt is just chasing shadows....

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by shamecurls(m): 9:33am On Apr 12, 2016
cktheluckyman:


you should rather ask your SW APC senators what they were doing when the budget was amended after all the rail lines would even pass through more SW states than those of the SS/SE

Sigh....


Smh...

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by Nobody: 9:33am On Apr 12, 2016
cktheluckyman:


you should rather ask your SW APC senators what they were doing when the budget was amended after all the rail lines would even pass through more SW states than those of the SS/SE
Sen. Gbenga Ashafa is from where?
We southerners are the enemies of the south, we allow the north to take us for a ride because we are divided against ourselves.
#factsaresacred#

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by VivianUdeogu(f): 9:36am On Apr 12, 2016
cktheluckyman:


you should rather ask your SW APC senators what they were doing when the budget was amended after all the rail lines would even pass through more SW states than those of the SS/SE
You guys are so pathetic. The Lagos- Calabar Rail will pass through the SW; The Lagos- Kano Rail will also pass through the SW. The SW has got nothing to lose if one of the rail project is substituted for another, since both covers routes that goes through the SW. The Lagos-Calabar rail which would benefit us in the SE/SS should be what our own senators ought to fight for instead of politicising the whole issue

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by donstevoz(m): 9:38am On Apr 12, 2016
sleazy5:


In as much ad I commend the Lagos -Calabar coastal rail, I agree with the senators that the project was not contained in the two budget proposals sent to it. Senator Ashafa's statement is just a confirmation of the obvious fact. How do you submit a supplementary budget when the original budget has not been passed In as much as the national assembly has its share if the blame the executive should man up to theirs.... This whole mess was orchestrated by them.
did you read in the write-up that Lagos-Kano rail project wasn't provided for too? So why did they not remove it? In any case, where did they allocate the money meant for that project to? Apparently for their fraudulent constituency projects

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by modath(f): 9:38am On Apr 12, 2016
Kyase:

Babe one thing is certain, The north rules grin cheesy
Call your NASs reps in order, ours are representing wellwell cool

Go Joor, you think I'm complementing una? Not at all, enslaving others is not a positive attitude & don't forget that of 16yrs, the South held on for 14+ yrs!!

Just reiterating the sad state of affairs down south! sad
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:38am On Apr 12, 2016
Speaking with THISDAY in Abuja on Monday, the presidency source, who pleaded anonymity, said when the error committed by the Budget Office was discovered, Ameachi quickly forwarded a memo to the Budget Office, drawing its attention to the error and it was quickly corrected.

The source added: “Minister Ameachi did not stop there, he followed it up with several meetings with Senator Gbenga Ashafa and during the defence of the budget, Amaechi informed the committee of the omission of the Lagos-Calabar rail modernisation project and indeed sent a supplementary copy of the ministry’s budget to the committee, which contained the said project.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/04/12/calabar-lagos-rail-project-that-was-never-listed-triggers-a-spat/
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by Nobody: 9:38am On Apr 12, 2016
sleazy5:


In as much ad I commend the Lagos -Calabar coastal rail, I agree with the senators that the project was not contained in the two budget proposals sent to it. Senator Ashafa's statement is just a confirmation of the obvious fact. How do you submit a supplementary budget when the original budget has not been passed In as much as the national assembly has its share if the blame the executive should man up to theirs.... This whole mess was orchestrated by them.

It isn't the omission from the second budget alone that is at issue, it is where the money formerly allocated to the Calabar rail project went.

This is the smoking gun

It went to senators constituency projects; tricycles, bore holes and town hall meetings. Basically, the senators padded their own pockets because provision is already made in their bloated salaries for these so called constituency projects. Nigerian politics since OBJ has been based on "pay me to do your bidding or else be sure of my opposition" This is nothing to do with the executive, if anything the senators should be fighting tooth and nail to get major projects sited in their areas. This is what happens everywhere. I dont blame them because Nigerians are very easy to please; keke napep, sewing machines and a coating of tar on an unsurfaced road is enough to make any politician a hero.

I weep for the 20-35 generation. They have been co-opted into their own demise.

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by slim147(m): 9:40am On Apr 12, 2016
APC = A Party Confused = Buhari
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by henrysam(m): 9:40am On Apr 12, 2016
The salient point is, was the lagos/calabar rail discussed in the floor of the house? To me it wasn't because it was not in the real budget presented by the president
Why on earth should ameachi go behind doors to present it to committee on lands and transport
It was not later presented before the summary was written
This only display share incompetence on people ruling this country
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by MabraO: 9:41am On Apr 12, 2016
sleazy5:


You've not answered my question. Since when does the law permit a minister to submit a supplementary copy of his budget to the National assembly?. Put in another way is the National assembly permitted by law to receive the budget of a ministry whether substantive or supplementary copy from the minister himself?
When you've answered my question we can trash the issue of comprehension....

Why is comprehension ur problem
The chairman for committee of land transport accepted it. It is in constitution if a mistake was made or there was an omission somewhere u can include or correct such mistake. It is allowed.
I know u can't really differentiate between budget nd copy that is y u keep asking the Same irrelevant question. We in this life to learn.

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:42am On Apr 12, 2016
BeardedMeat:
The cheap blackmail against SE/SS senators who have nothing to do with the incompetence of this administration has been defeated already so look for someone else to blame. Why not blame Jonathan as usual? Mtcheeew.
Why are the South South Senators still quiet?

I do not understand. Are the for the project or are they against it?
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:45am On Apr 12, 2016
MabraO:


Why is comprehension ur problem
The chairman for committee of land transport accepted it. It is in constitution if a mistake was made or there was an omission somewhere u can include or correct such mistake. It is allowed.
I know u can't really differentiate between budget nd copy that is y u keep asking the Same irrelevant question. We in this life to learn.


“I can tell you that it was the House of Representatives that removed it for obvious reasons. The ministry was harassed by the House members during the defence of the budget, demanding for one thing or the other. If Hon. Abdulmumim said the Lagos-Calabar Rail project was not in the original budget, let him also show you where N92 billion was provided for the Lagos-Kano rail project in the original budget that he is making reference to?

“On the rehabilitation of some airports, the Ministry of Transportation did make provision for them in the budget we submitted, and the National Assembly on its own appropriated N4 billion to this. They are just lying. And we challenged them to produce the report the Senate Committee on Land Transport sent to the Ministry of Transportation.”... Senator Gbenga Ashafa.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by Bgorgeous: 9:46am On Apr 12, 2016
BeardedMeat:
The cheap blackmail against SE/SS senators who have nothing to do with the incompetence of this administration has been defeated already so look for someone else to blame. Why not blame Jonathan as usual? Mtcheeew.
pple like you should be living in the zoo , why didn't those senators cut down on their salaries and allowance s and of removing a capital project because they don't like who is charge? Nonsense

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by drnoel: 9:46am On Apr 12, 2016
modath:
Two things I'd love someone to shine light on are;

1. Why did the constitution give budget presentation rights to the executive & still reposed the powers to re-assign, cut, add, remove in short rewrite to suit the NASS whims & caprices at the same time.?

2. Whose function is more germane i.e who has more authority over a particular budget item defense/inclusion/exclusion (not on funding grounds, just on viability or priority grounds), Is it the Oversight committee of that particular MDA or the appropriation committee of the whole house...

Matured & rancour free engagement would be very nice. Thank you.

Mynd44, Lasticlala ... Good morning...

To answer both question senate and appropriation committee.

The senate can move this silly budget into law if they unanimously agree that the budget is okay the way it is once the number of days required for the presidents signature has elapsed.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:53am On Apr 12, 2016
felifeli:


This is the process required for amending a budget. Only the president has the constitutional authority to ask for amendment and it's done through a letter to NASS not a presentation by a minister to a committee. Ashafa only confirmed that his committee and Amaechi padded that part of the budget .


“I can tell you that it was the House of Representatives that removed it for obvious reasons. The ministry was harassed by the House members during the defence of the budget, demanding for one thing or the other. If Hon. Abdulmumim said the Lagos-Calabar Rail project was not in the original budget, let him also show you where N92 billion was provided for the Lagos-Kano rail project in the original budget that he is making reference to?

“On the rehabilitation of some airports, the Ministry of Transportation did make provision for them in the budget we submitted, and the National Assembly on its own appropriated N4 billion to this. They are just lying. And we challenged them to produce the report the Senate Committee on Land Transport sent to the Ministry of Transportation.”... Senator Gbenga Ashafa.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by TheGoodJoe(m): 9:57am On Apr 12, 2016
Our Southern Senators should keep quiet. Do not talk. Amaechi is out there alone fighting for us and you guys are waiting for Constituency allocations.

Do not talk. That is what your people sent you guys there for. To Tweet and keep quiet.

I Win You Win, My Vote Your Vote, My Mandate Your Mandate.


Bloody LIARS.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by Gap2020(m): 10:05am On Apr 12, 2016
sleazy5:


In as much ad I commend the Lagos -Calabar coastal rail, I agree with the senators that the project was not contained in the two budget proposals sent to it. Senator Ashafa's statement is just a confirmation of the obvious fact. How do you submit a supplementary budget when the original budget has not been passed In as much as the national assembly has its share if the blame the executive should man up to theirs.... This whole mess was orchestrated by them.
Pls, perfuse it one more time. If they can accept the kano- lagos rail and included the airports renovation , which are omitted from the real presentation. I doubt your take, if you're not part of the ppl whose sees ameachi not development of our great country. Read and understand.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by farem: 10:14am On Apr 12, 2016
VivianUdeogu:
You guys are so pathetic. The Lagos- Calabar Rail will pass through the SW; The Lagos- Kano Rail will also pass through the SW. The SW has got nothing to lose if one of the rail project is substituted for another, since both covers routes that goes through the SW. The Lagos-Calabar rail which would benefit us in the SE/SS should be what our own senators ought to fight for instead of politicising the whole issue
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by sleazy5(m): 10:15am On Apr 12, 2016
Gap2020:
Pls, perfuse it one more time. If they can accept the kano- lagos rail and included the airports renovation , which are omitted from the real presentation. I doubt your take, if you're not part of the ppl whose sees ameachi not development of our great country. Read and understand.

Like I said, I'm not against the project. But mistakes have been made. The solution is not to blame anybody continually. Section 81(4) of the constitution provides a way out....lets leave this blame game. Nigeria must move forward.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by Reference(m): 10:16am On Apr 12, 2016
greenpasture:
One thing is clear, NASS is a big stumbling block to progress. How can you remove a project with this amount of benefit and replace it with constituency projects such as tricycles, bore holes and town hall meetings? How can senators from the areas to reap direct benefits close their eyes simply in the name of bad belle politics? How can you load up on the same constituency projects that your over bloated salary purports to cover on a monthly basis? Until Nigerians close ranks across parties and began to derive pleasure in having a good life rather than in seeing government fail, progress will be a mirage and the current 20-35 generation will fail in the same way as the others before it.

Nigerians wake up. This is not a party issue, this is a question of wasting four and possibly 8 years of your life if NASS and the judiciary has their way. And why should they care? They have enough stashed in cupboards, soakaways and tax havens. Your freedom is a threat to them because it means you will refuse to become cannon fodder and agents of obfuscation across social media.

It's your life.

You are highly mistaken if you think that constituency projects do not matter. These are grass-roots people thinking micro you are talking about and will not see neither will they care about 'Federal (macro) Projects'. A farmer who needs a rice mill, an oil press or a solar borehole to create his own wealth will rather side with his representatives on this matter than on a rail line which are for 'town' people and foreigners.

Much as the proposed rail line is critical in opening up the eastern flank of Nigeria to competitive trade, I see reason in those who ask why the the seaports and second Niger bridge are not prioritised. It appears we have a traditional people versus government confrontation at play here where the people want one thing and the government wants another.

One thing we are yet to grasp and understand. Democracy is all about the people. In advanced democracies the people are engaged to partner with government. Look at the way the HS2 has been hotly debated in the UK for several years now before it has finally taken off. How many debates have we had on the best way of developing the eastern flank of Nigeria by this government and others. If people are saying roads and seaports and airports and you are saying rail then your aim may be ultimately defeated if your will prevails. This democracy thing is new in Nigeria but we have to start getting the fundamentals right.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by santori: 10:17am On Apr 12, 2016
no matter how much anybody tries to defend the southern senators, those guys are not representing us well at all. nobody can tell me there's no single law maker from the south in the appropriation committe to fight for the interest of the south.

now tell me who be mumu between southerners and northerners? The northerners understand the game of politics than their southern counterparts. those know when to separate politics from development and they are so good at playing it.

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Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by pchukwudi: 10:19am On Apr 12, 2016
PassingShot:
It's very clear that the NASS is a common enemy.

So,it's a crime if an element was left out in error?
And it's not acceptable that when such error was discovered it was later included through a supplementary budget proposal?

Na wa for how some of una dey reason.

So in your ALL SMARTY PANT reasoning faculty it's now the minister's job to present a supplementary budget to NASS, right?

You guys should at least have a litte sense of decency in zombiesm na.

If it was truly an error from day one, what then stops the president from sending in a supplementary budget proposal OFFICIALLY? Why are you guys always thinking and doing things from the rear like monkies all the time?
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by monex(m): 10:22am On Apr 12, 2016
seunmsg:


SS, SE and SW law makers should be blamed collectively.

exactly. dont make it a tribal (or PDP) thing. both the executive and legislature (APC has numerical majority) are controlled by APC. for someone who wanted GEJ out, i still refused to vote in APC due to propaganda. I really wished PMB was in another party.

APC as a party and a lot of their supporters i meet are so full of propaganda just like the old PDP. every thing takes a tribal undertone. every criticism of the government is termed to be from Ipobs and igbos. If Saraki had not gone against Tinubu, a lot of people will be celebrating Saraki now.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by Reference(m): 10:23am On Apr 12, 2016
TheGoodJoe:
Our Southern Senators should keep quiet. Do not talk. Amaechi is out there alone fighting for us and you guys are waiting for Constituency allocations.

Do not talk. That is what your people sent you guys there for. To Tweet and keep quiet.

I Win You Win, My Vote Your Vote, My Mandate Your Mandate.


Bloody LIARS.

Amaechi does not represent the south, he represents the government. He is not elected, the legislators are, so it is up to the people they represent to judge or appraise their performance. I think you should understand democracy. The rail line will not affect everyone in the south. It may not pass through all the southern/eastern states but the constituency projects are grass-roots targeted and if done well will popularise and return the legislators affected whether you like it or not. That is a fact.
Re: Still On The Lagos-Calabar Rail Line Controversy - Excerpt From Thisdaylive by omobaekiti: 10:30am On Apr 12, 2016
Pennsylvania:


Did you even read the article? What has SS/SE senators got to do with this? Isn't the supposed project suppose to go through 3 SWstern states? Why aren't you pointing out your own Senators incompetence?
Rubbish!
did you even read his comment? isn't it obvious that the whole issue is to paint Rotimi Amaechi in a bad light, who else are the fingers pointing to...your guess us as good as mine.

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