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A qusetion for" Bible beleiving" christians.

I will like to know when a piece of writing qualifies to be scripture ,also when did the Bible say the writring of scriptures will end.

Good and thoughtful question. . .

I asked this question because the book of isaiah didn't exist during the time of Moses and the book of maatew didn't exist at the time of Isaiah, this means that scripture writing took many years .how are we sure it has ended?

chukwudi44:
A qusetion for" Bible beleiving" christians.

I will like to know when a piece of writing qualifies to be scripture ,also when did the Bible say the writring of scriptures will end.

This is the key. The Bible says "All scripture is given by inspiration of God . . . " -- 2 Timothy 3:16

The Jews could recognise the inspired Word of God and they set them aside in and by the ark of the covenant and was compiled. The Old Testament scripture (canon) closed with the book of Malachi, and you confirm this with the Jewish Scripture which is the same as the Christian's Old Testament of the Bible. Jesus also confirmed that the Old Testament Canon closed when He mentioned it in Luke 24:44 when He said "These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms concerning me." The Jewish apocrypha was not considered scripture by the OT prophets, Jesus Christs or the Apostles as it was written during the period of the 400 silent years when God did not speak through any prophet or directly.

We know that the NT are scriptures as Jesus gave His Apostles the authority and commission and promised that the Holy Spirit will be sent to open their understanding as He did (i.e. as in verses 45). The Apostle John wrote by inspiration that the book of Revelation was to be the last book to close the NT Canon when he said in Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book"

Charles Wesley helps us understand the true origin of the Scriptures when he said:

"The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying 'Thus saith the Lord;' it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin, and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration" (Charles Wesley, McDowell, Evidence That Demands a Verdict, 1990:178).

@Olaadegbu Ogbeni oja, when Timothy called people infidel(s), thats inspiration from God? When Jesus called people dogs, thats inspiration, too? When Jesus said he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, that was inspiration. No? Now when all of a sudden he is said to be the one to have been sent to the whole world, tat is inspiration, too. No? Now which is the true inspiration between being sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and all of a sudden by his after leaving the earth followers to all mankind? Or was one a temporary inspiration or what? I think your answer will surprise everyone; Temporary, one inspiration is fighting another on the same subject? I wanna read this for the ages.


And I ignored the three gods turning to one God, or the prophet turning to god, or the former comforter who is a human being promising another comforter, who miraculously became a voiceless, formless, unable to teach, instruct, remind, and elevate correctly the image of Jesus and his mother without over doing it like the Christians; catholic calls Marry mother of god and venerates her (~Lady~, sorry), and almost all christians take Jesus as god or son of god or both, but always deep themselves in his blood ($Osisi, sorry), as if the blood should not be stale or dried up by now.

@Olaadegbu: Whats the exegesis on this verse, other than derogative statement about other people, calling us INFIDELS?

1 Timothy 5 Verse 8:

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
If anyone doesn't take care of his own relatives, especially his immediate family, he has denied the Christian faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

King James Bible
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

American King James Version
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

American Standard Version
But if any provideth not for his own, and specially his own household, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.

Good and thoughtful question.

@olabowale and co.,

Jesus said more than what you just quoted.  Guess what He said:

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. -- Matthew 7:6

And that was very much the inspired word spoken by the living Word of God.

chukwudi44:
A qusetion for" Bible beleiving" christians.

I will like to know when a piece of writing qualifies to be scripture ,also when did the Bible say the writring of scriptures will end.

when it gains a following. 

Who says the mormon bible is wrong?

@ topic


http://books.google.ca/books?id=QVYOagUrvcgC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=faith+seeking+understanding+the+authority+of+scripture&source=bl&ots=HyuTZhRl3D&sig=3FZAua2SqTMZ4X-QMIuJZjjVtbE&hl=en&ei=BTF-Ss-4FpWBtwf1ivjmAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Religion started out as simple community disciplines given to you from these benevolent beings, the Eloheem. This group of beings, as found in ancient Sumer doctrine called Anunnaqi, Biblically known as the Eloheem, who have claimed you as their children; and they expected you to form colonies to breed amongst yourselves. However, the malevolent beings, called Reptilians stepped into organized religion from their original bases of Hinduism; to control and poison the masses. The Reptilians' telepathic communications are responsible for the scriptures and for what is generally referred to as divine inspiration, and are responsible for Paul's additions and fabrications. These Malevolent (disagreeable) beings want you to forget where you came from, where your descendants are from. They want you to forget the name of The Most High, ANU who is Elyuwn elyuwn El (Genesis 14:18).

@Oladeegbu

I already know that scriptures were inspired by God,all am asking is the criteria for determining inspired writings.

Also when did the scriptures tell us scripture writing will end.

when the stupid RCC sits down in their senseless councils and approves thems to be scriptures. psssh, slowpoke

It's an interesting question,actually. No need to insult him for that.

Can religious writings written after 100 AD be regarded as scripture?

I asked this question because so many good christian writings exist which were written after 100 AD.

Some of the authors of these writings actually met with the Apostles and learnt from them.Why can,t their writings be regarded as scriptures

Regarded as scripture by whom exactly?
Of what good Christian writings do you speak? There are many excellent Christian authors, antiquated and contemporary. I love C.S Lewis, but that doesn't mean his views should become part of Christian canon. Their authors met with the apostles of Christ and learnt from them? Who are they? What did write about? Did they have something to add that the apostles did not, you know, cover? Why do you feel they should be included in scripture? 'Good' in what way?

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=307156.msg4334701#msg4334701 date=1250004042]Regarded as scripture by whom exactly?
Of what good Christian writings do you speak? There are many excellent Christian authors, antiquated and contemporary. I love C.S Lewis, but that doesn't mean his views should become part of Christian canon. Their authors met with the apostles of Christ and learnt from them? Who are they? What did write about? Did they have something to add that the apostles did not, you know, cover? Why do you feel they should be included in scripture? 'Good' in what way?[/quote]That was why I asked the question when did scripture writing end ?

Remember that Isaiah did not meet moses,Abraham,e.t.c yet he wrote works of scripture.
St paul lived hundreds of years after Jeremiah and Danmiel yet his writings are regarded as scripture likewise those of Daniel and Jermiah.

Did scripture writing end with the Apostles.

Back to your other questions,important christian leaders like Clement of Rome,Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of smyrna left writings that ought to be considered scripture.

Why are their writings not regarded as scripture ?

Still waiting for an answer

Also what was the criteria for selecting or droping books to be part of the scripture. For example the catholic bibble has more chapters than other version.

Also mattew mark luke and john werent the only writers others such barnabas were left out ,why?

still waiting for answers

chukwudi44: Still waiting for an answer

since wen?

chukwudi44: still waiting for answers

I wonder why the religious/believers pundits on this forum always avoid thread like this? Anyways God bless u Oladeegbu.

@Post, Chukwudi44
The question to ask should have been 'when did a piece of writing qualify to be scriptures' and not 'when does........'
This is because the Canon is closed, no more can be added to it again after the death of John circa AD 90, when he wrote The book of Revelation.

Eph 2: 20 says we are being built upon the foundation of the Apostles and prophets........ Since physically witnessed Christs resurrection, they handled Him, they were eye witness
Of His majesty, therefore only them can make known to us , and Peter says their message is 'more sure'....... (2Pet 1:19), he was aware he was writing scripture.

God the Holy Spirit so supernaturally directed the human writers of scriptures, that without waving their human intelligence, vocabulary, individuality, literally style, personality, personal feelings, or any other human factor, His complete and coherent message to mankind was recorded with perfect accuracy in the original languages of scripture, the ver words bearing the authority of divine authorship. (2nd Pet 1: 20 - 21)

Only the Apostles who saw and witnessed Christs resurrection could write scriptures, all other close associates of the apostles or those who learned under the apostles may have their own writings, but such cannot be called scriptures as those inspired through the apostles

The canon of scripture is closed, no more addition.

A qusetion for" Bible beleiving" christians. I will like to know when a piece of writing qualifies to be scripture ,also when did the Bible say the writring of scriptures will end.

Generally, I like to believe that for a writing to qualify as Scripture, it must contain at least a message directly revealed by the God of Isreal through one of His own — a prophet. Jesus Christ was the Last prophet sent from God of Israel.

I asked this question because the book of isaiah didn't exist during the time of Moses and the book of maatew didn't exist at the time of Isaiah, this means that scripture writing took many years .how are we sure it has ended?

We know it has ended because according to Jesus Christ, the last prophet sent by the God of Israel, the same God who sent Moses, and Isaiah, and eventually Jesus Christ.

olabowale:
■ Ogbeni oja, when Timothy called people infidel(s), thats inspiration from God?
■ When Jesus called people dogs, thats inspiration, too? When Jesus said he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, that was inspiration. No? Now when all of a sudden he is said to be the one to have been sent to the whole world, tat is inspiration, too. No? Now which is the true inspiration between being sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and all of a sudden by his after leaving the earth followers to all mankind? Or was one a temporary inspiration or what? I think your answer will surprise everyone; Temporary, one inspiration is fighting another on the same subject? I wanna read this for the ages.
■ And I ignored the three gods turning to one God, or the prophet turning to god, or the former comforter who is a human being promising another comforter, who miraculously became a voiceless, formless, unable to teach, instruct, remind, and elevate correctly the image of Jesus ■ and his mother without over doing it like the Christians; catholic calls Marry mother of god and venerates her (~Lady~, sorry), and almost all christians take Jesus as god or son of god or both, but always deep themselves in his blood ($Osisi, sorry), as if the blood should not be stale or dried up by now.

1. The letters of Paul do not constitute Scripture in my opinion given that Paul was not sent by the God of Israel, and also commanded them to write, by the way.

2. Actually, the answer to all that is instead Yes! Every word that Jesus Christ spoke were the words out of God's own mouth.

3. Catholicism is religion, not Jesus Christ who instead disavowed religious leaders along with their doctrines and traditions.