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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by AZeD1(m): 7:02pm On Sep 08, 2016
plaetton:


Lol.

This guy doesn't understand the real role of banks in an economy.

Banks leverage deposits to create money and credit , that in turn, stimulate and expand the economic activities.

The amount of deposits the banking system has is directly proportional to the amount of money and credit they create to fuel economic expansion.

Draining 4-5℅ of GDP from the banking system at once , for any reasons whatsoever, is unheard of, talkless of doing it in a monoproduct economy at a time economic contraction.
Before the implementation of TSA, did the bank lend out the money?
What was the interest rate then?

This is a lazy man's explanation.

The banks got free government funds, then borrowed to the government at 15% and above... Pure day light robbery.

We are in a recession because we have a flawed economy which was driven by free oil money.

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Lawalemi(m): 7:10pm On Sep 08, 2016
I agree. You don't keep the economy of one nation in a purse all in the name of protecting it

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by 989900: 7:16pm On Sep 08, 2016
Rubbish excuse from the loan defaulter, the TSA exposed you guys' fraud. The banks are the cesspit of corruption in this country. How many loans were given to SMEs with the non implementation? What happened to the reduced CRR, that already over compensated for the gov't/free money withdrawal.

The TSA is stipulated by the 1999 constitution, have a problem with it, seek for amendment, senator.

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by TimeManager(m): 7:20pm On Sep 08, 2016
Jahdeyemi:
all u did was just 2 write trash, why not counter his write up with facts if u have any reasonable one, indeed Nigerians deserve the kind of leaders they get
I am so sick & tired of reading trash. TSA exclusively belongs to the govt. 85% of govt.funds makes up banks' liquid assests(cash).that's crazy. banks do not stay afloat thru govt monies rather real sectors, high financial tech & diversification. we have been running on false economy.
kiss the truth!

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by TimeManager(m): 7:22pm On Sep 08, 2016
Jahdeyemi:
all u did was just 2 write trash, why not counter his write up with facts if u have any reasonable one, indeed Nigerians deserve the kind of leaders they get
I am so sick & tired of reading trash. TSA exclusively belongs to the govt. 85% of govt.funds makes up banks' liquid assests(cash).that's crazy. banks do not stay afloat thru govt monies rather real sectors, high financial tech & diversification. we have been running on false economy for so long.
The truth has spoken!
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by TimeManager(m): 7:24pm On Sep 08, 2016
Standing5:
Those guys can spin cluelessness into heroics. Lol
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by obailala(m): 7:38pm On Sep 08, 2016
IVORY2009:


lolzz why should he do dat, knowing fully well who Mr Buhari is, he does not want anyone to criticise his govt, if you do, its either AMCON file would be reopened, efcc/Dss would be sent after him or possibily some tax fraud issue levelled on his coy.
Why shouldnt he?... The man has engaged in loads of meaningless criticisms both on and off twitter which can best be classified as 'pointless wailing.' This one on TSA sounds meaningful/constructive; this is the sort of things he should be saying in the floor of the NASS before its implementation, not 1 year after.
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Amya(f): 7:39pm On Sep 08, 2016
shaddoww:
The more dis guy talks, d less intelligent he appears. So TSA reduced d price of crude oil, it stopped the release of money for capital projects for months due to budget delay, it reduced our foreign reserves too abi. And lastly, was it TSA dat borrowed money from banks in billions n refuse to pay?

You do know that our crude oil only raises about 13% of the country's revenue right? just 13%. So even if the crude oil market collapses, the economy should still survive.

Let me break it down for you. The other 87% is sourced from FIRS, Customs, and 100s of other government bodies that have charges for every conceivable thing. Now, this 87% amounts to trillions of Naria which before the enactment of the TSA were monies paid to different banks everyday. Though these monies are technically government money, they were liquid and banks used them to transact businesses give out loans and make money circulate in general. Now with the emergence of TSA, these monies are just packed somewhere and therefore does not benefit the economy business wise. And we are talking trillions here.

So yes, the TSA can and did lead the country to recession.

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by realBen1m(m): 7:39pm On Sep 08, 2016
just passing through
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by obailala(m): 7:40pm On Sep 08, 2016
todayboy:


The Fulani in the chamber will shut him up Its better he communicates to Nigeria on Twitter

Remember common sense is not common
Why should he allow fulani to shout him down?... even if they shout him down, why couldnt he use twitter to harp in it?... at least the last time I checked, everything he says on twitter still gets to the public.
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Nobody: 7:41pm On Sep 08, 2016
blueto:
the implementation of the TSA was being done in phases or gradually by the previous govt.

the reason was that the previous govt understood the fact that the Nigerian banking industry & by extension the economy was primarily driven by government spending & while there were concrete plans to make it more private sector driven, it knew that pulling out government funds from the banks in one fell swoop would negatively impact the economy, might lead to a recession, create instability in most banks, restrict the ability of banks to loan money to investors, threaten existing loans and other negative consequences.

hence the gradual implementation, with banks adjusting gradually to the changing times.

But unfortunately for the Nigerian economy, the certificateless cattle rearer who was devoid of economic knowledge and proficiency was voted in and without even considering the repercussions of the swift implementation of TSA, quickly implemented it in full scale and blamed Jonathan for failing to implement it in full scale, of which ultimately submerged the economy into recession.

No wonder Obasanjo had to admit that Buhari is not economically sound despite their current fraternization.


He would later reverse it as he did the agric policy of GEJ

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by chicagoPD(m): 7:41pm On Sep 08, 2016
Senator Ben Bruce of Twitter senatorial District grin grin
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Decibel: 7:43pm On Sep 08, 2016
Agimor:
Don't mind that twitter senator of a guy .He is good at ascribing blames and will never proffer solutions.
Nowhere in the world opposition proffers solution to the government at the CENTRE
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by highbeekeys(m): 7:43pm On Sep 08, 2016
Khd95:
Senator representing twitter constituency alias mr common sense.


U seems to be very active online,no traces of u when it comes to nation issues,i mean how come u havent iniated or sponsor a bill to at least drive home ur common sense pointssad


Same man that called public attention to the undoings of the previous adminstration.
I find it difficult to c d relevance of his seeming gimmicks and opinions.
No action...Just talks of sentiments.
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Ghost01(m): 7:46pm On Sep 08, 2016
Nonsense upon nonsense. People like Bruce are the same ones who do advocate that the government has no business in business o. Now that the government has taken its money away from DMBs they are singing a different tune. I bet there is nothing altruistic about these comments of his; he is only concerned about obtaining credit from his usual DMB partners. Onígbèsè òsì!

The government needs to spend its way out of the recession the country's economy is in at present, but spending alone is not going to cut it - institutions must also be built and strengthened. Then and only then can a thriving and sustainable private sector emerge. Private concerns like banks can't keep waiting to be spoon-fed by the government. Doing so will only help entrench rent-seeking the more and situations where banks sponsor the elections of politicians, as obtained in Fayose's case, will keep recurring.

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Ghost01(m): 7:53pm On Sep 08, 2016
AZeD1:

Before the implementation of TSA, did the bank lend out the money?
What was the interest rate then?

This is a lazy man's explanation.

The banks got free government funds, then borrowed to the government at 15% and above... Pure day light robbery.

We are in a recession because we have a flawed economy which was driven by free oil money.
Thank you for this. They were sitting on government funds and lending out funds to the same government at exorbitant rates. I wonder how people who are defending the banks think. It beats me!

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by plendil: 7:54pm On Sep 08, 2016
AZeD1:

Before the implementation of TSA, did the bank lend out the money?
What was the interest rate then?

This is a lazy man's explanation.

The banks got free government funds, then borrowed to the government at 15% and above... Pure day light robbery.

We are in a recession because we have a flawed economy which was driven by free oil money.

Ten GBOsa for you!!

@Bolded, I posed the question to plateon on the other thread, but he couldn't provide an answer.

If one was not an Otedola, Ifenyi Uba or Dangote, you had almost ZERO chance of getting benefiting from bank credit services. How on earth would a SME owner cope ridiculous interest rates of 20% and above??

So with all due respect to the tweeting senator, he lost it on this one.

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Ghost01(m): 7:54pm On Sep 08, 2016
Lawalemi:
I agree. You don't keep the economy of one nation in a purse all in the name of protecting it
The banks are not complaining that they have no money to run their businesses. There is no scarcity of naira, only scarcity of dollars.
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by plendil: 8:03pm On Sep 08, 2016
Amya:


You do know that our crude oil only raises about 13% of the country's revenue right? just 13%. So even if the crude oil market collapses, the economy should still survive.


shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by gabe: 8:05pm On Sep 08, 2016
goldman777:
He is very right on dis one even though i detest dis guy and his pdp thugs(tan) guy he understands keynesian economics which is what nigeria needs to do.spend out of recession and scrap tsa cry
funny, cos PMB is practicing kenyesian economics. Problem is he's looking for cash to spend, hence TSA. Banks need to be weaned off govt money to grow the REAL economy. What they just do is warehouse govt cash and give sweetheart loans for oil imports. Time to grow up.

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Ghost01(m): 8:06pm On Sep 08, 2016
plendil:


Ten GBOsa for you!!

@Bolded, I posed the question to plateon on the other thread, but he couldn't provide an answer.

If one was not an Otedola, Ifenyi Uba or Dangote, you had almost ZERO chance of getting benefiting from bank credit services. How on earth would a SME owner cope ridiculous interest rates of 20% and above??

So with all due respect to the tweeting senator, he lost it on this one.
Met a guy who recently passed out of NYSC two months ago, he approached some banks for loan for a start-up and provided all the necessary requirements - guarantors, collateral, and all that, yet they didn't give him the loan. People like Bruce, who are perpetual loan defaulters are the ones the banks do kowtow to because they are supposed Nigerian "big men". For the vast majority of us, most, if not all, Nigerian banks are not entities we can bank on. You operate a savings account, yet at the end of every month, the alert you receive is that of deductions, not addition. The banks should learn to live with TSA. Whichever ones cannot should pack-up. Shikena!

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by chigoizie7(m): 8:08pm On Sep 08, 2016
U know?



I been talk this thing b4 oh.



This administration is all about trial and error.



As a student, and as an exco then, when the previous administration handed over to us, we never started accusing them of mismanagement, we never haunted them. Why? because we were new to the system, and we might need their help on one or two things @ the beginning, so, we maintained that cordial relationship until we got all we wanted from them.



But this APC govt? NO!!!!!!!, they want to be saints and every other person a devil.

They saw the positive side of TSA (saving more and blocking leakages). But they never saw the negative side ( cash run on banks). Why? because, they never asked people who invented it how to use it.


Well, that is what happens when u are a novice, but when u bought ur TV, u refused to read the user manual. Na when u finally spoil the TV u come realise say manual dey inside the carton.

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Nobody: 8:09pm On Sep 08, 2016
The government is the highest spender, when the government doesn't spend, the citizen suffers. .

Apc where blaming GEJ for not implementing the TSA but praises Buhari for implementing it, now we have seen the cause.

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by gabe: 8:13pm On Sep 08, 2016
Amya:


You do know that our crude oil only raises about 13% of the country's revenue right? just 13%. So even if the crude oil market collapses, the economy should still survive.

Let me break it down for you. The other 87% is sourced from FIRS, Customs, and 100s of other government bodies that have charges for every conceivable thing. Now, this 87% amounts to trillions of Naria which before the enactment of the TSA were monies paid to different banks everyday. Though these monies are technically government money, they were liquid and banks used them to transact businesses give out loans and make money circulate in general. Now with the emergence of TSA, these monies are just packed somewhere and therefore does not benefit the economy business wise. And we are talking trillions here.

So yes, the TSA can and did lead the country to recession.
oil supplies over 70% of govt revenue. U probably mean overall contribution to GDP
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by IVORY2009(m): 8:16pm On Sep 08, 2016
obailala:
Why shouldnt he?... The man has engaged in loads of meaningless criticisms both on and off twitter which can best be classified as 'pointless wailing.' This one on TSA sounds meaningful/constructive; this is the sort of things he should be saying in the floor of the NASS before its implementation, not 1 year after.


Same direction we are still heading, "Once bitten, twice shy"
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Obamaofusa: 8:24pm On Sep 08, 2016
Spend out of recession...YES

Scrap TSA....NO
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by discusant: 8:31pm On Sep 08, 2016
Khd95:
Senator representing twitter constituency alias mr common sense.


U seems to be very active online,no traces of u when it comes to nation issues,i mean how come u havent iniated or sponsor a bill to at least drive home ur common sense pointssad



Bruce has turned to another apologist for Fulani tight grip on Nigeria. He is one of those politicians from the south who believe Arewa shall one day 'appoint' them president of Nigeria, hence they wouldn't ever go to say anything that cannot go well with Arewa.

Issue is that Arewa refuses political restructuring of Nigeria, hence day after day, the polity gets more messy and the economy with it.

The Bruces of the south must have been elected to ask for political reforms, but unfortunately., Bruce seems to be going for personal aggrandizement.
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by IamThrive(m): 8:34pm On Sep 08, 2016
Baba, kagi kwo?
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Nobody: 8:40pm On Sep 08, 2016
Amya:


You do know that our crude oil only raises about 13% of the country's revenue right? just 13%. So even if the crude oil market collapses, the economy should still survive.

Let me break it down for you. The other 87% is sourced from FIRS, Customs, and 100s of other government bodies that have charges for every conceivable thing. Now, this 87% amounts to trillions of Naria which before the enactment of the TSA were monies paid to different banks everyday. Though these monies are technically government money, they were liquid and banks used them to transact businesses give out loans and make money circulate in general. Now with the emergence of TSA, these monies are just packed somewhere and therefore does not benefit the economy business wise. And we are talking trillions here.

So yes, the TSA can and did lead the country to recession.
and your explantion is a reason why we have been slow when it comes to development. Nigerian banks need to look else where now.
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Newmanluckyman(m): 8:49pm On Sep 08, 2016
... Of course the untimely passage of TSA and UNPREPAREDNESS to lead the nation is the bane of our economic woes.
Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by Amya(f): 8:49pm On Sep 08, 2016
majekdom2:
and your explantion is a reason why we have been slow when it comes to development. Nigerian banks need to look else where now.


Where is there to look? trillions that would revive the economy is held under lock and key. Money is liquid and should be allowed to flow freely for the economy to be strong.

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Re: Nigeria In Recession Because Of Hurried Implementation Of TSA – Ben Murray Bruce by webhostbiz: 8:54pm On Sep 08, 2016
are you guys saying countries like Venezuela, Kuwait and other oil producing countries in recession also introduced tsa? so govt should allowed banks and other govt official to steal money? the problem we are facing now as a country has been there for awhile but we failed to face the reality by living fake life. for the banks, instead of the to give loans to SMEs that drives the economy just like China, India, they prefer to give loans to oil companies. now that oil is not relevant with low price, those oil companies are finding it difficult to survive now. they can't even pay the loans back and the banks does not have access to govt money like before. so why blame the govt that is trying to put things in the right order. With the current economic problems, Nigerians can think very fast and be productive and also reduce importation and increase export. Any country that depends importation of ordinary rice and other goods she can produce locally will surely face serious economy challenges.

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