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Response To A Thread Titled -the Secret Of Christianity by honourhim: 7:29pm On Sep 13, 2016 |
This thread is a response to the cry of a frustrated atheist gambler here who operates by the user name- HardMirror. In his submissions he tried to draw a kind of relationship between gambling and christianity. I will be responding to his submissions as time permits me so that readers will view his positions from another angle so as not to be deceived. He started with this HardMirror: 1. While i agree that some churches fit into the picture you have painted, there are other churches who dont fit into it so the generalization you made by referring to christianity as a whole is an error on your part. If you say 'some churches" then its understandable. Christianity has been growing in popularity right from the time of Jesus till date. Some of the things you wrote here started around the 90s when your fellow gamblers entered the ministry and introduced all sorts of gambling techniques in the church. The core message of Christ our master was LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, REPENTANCE AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Read the bible well and you will see that the message that Christ preached was centered(mark the word CENTERED) on the above mentioned which is different from the picture you painted. If you want to judge Christianity then judge us based on what Jesus preached. Judge us based on what the early church in the bible preached and practiced, not based on what some churches are preaching or doing these days 2. You said christians are highly motivated by testimonies. Again thats an imbalanced postulation. The truth there is that humans are highly motivated with testimonies. Was it not testimonies of your friends that motivated you(an atheist) into gambling? Or were you born a gambler? Again does the testimonies of other atheist not motivate you in your journey in atheism? Testimonies play major role in human. Trying to isolate it to Christianity and gamblers alone shows hypocrisy on your part. Your C.V. is a testimony of you and companies request for the testimony so as to know if you are capable of taking up the position they require to be filled. When companies advertise their product its a form of testimony that they are giving out to the public about their organization. The messages of atheism that you are giving out here from time to time and in other forums are testimonies and you are doing it for the same purpose of winning people's interest to your believe and ideology so dont be hypocritical about this. Everybody engages in one form of testimony or the other at some points in life. Everbody is motivated by testimony. 3. While some of the testimonies you see being advertised by some churches are fake and masterminded by your fellow gamblers who are in the ministry to deceive people, others are genuine testimonies. Of course we cant get the world rid of fake products. In almost every field of life there are fake and original. In the medical field we have fake doctors. In engineering we have the fake ones. There are fake policemen, fake army officers, fake christians fake atheists etc. Its everywhere so dont isolate the picture to christianity alone. Let me stop here for now and attend to some other things. As i earlier said, I will be responding to the rest of your submissions later as time permits. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Response To A Thread Titled -the Secret Of Christianity by AnodaIT(m): 8:01pm On Sep 13, 2016 |
Churches today Still looks like betting to me. Christ gave a parable about the sower and seed falling on rocks and fertile ground which signifies the heart of man. He word he gave was the seed and the only way to bear fruit was if your heart is fertile. Fast forward to 2016, the Pastor says the only way for the word to work for you is if you sow a seed and give a resounding Amen to every declaration. And you only give what is worth. Pastors says you will see open doors and you drop N1k to claim the blessing. Take for instance the prayer works and something good happens, it means your N1k investment has paid off, if it doesn't then your faith was not strong enough What's the difference between this and betting 2 Likes |
Re: Response To A Thread Titled -the Secret Of Christianity by honourhim: 9:57pm On Sep 13, 2016 |
you wrote this HardMirror: Yea the bolded are what you hear from some people around but not what Christ taught so it cant be used as a standard for christianity. Jesus taught us about faith in God when we pray, not jumping from one church to another. Jesus also taught us that when we come to offer our prayer before God and remember that we have an issue to settle with somebody that we should go first and settle with the person before coming to God. Obviously your gambling has no comparison with Jesus standard. I tell you, a lot of Christians prefer the Jesus standard more than what you wrote up there. There are some other things that we are told in the scriptures concerning our prayers and these are the things that matters in christianity not what some persons around you say. HardMirror: Again the bolded is not the standard of christianity rather your fellow gamblers who invaded the ministry are the ones using all forms of gambling skills to make money for themselves and their families and its quite a shame. You dont coerce people into giving God. The scripture says we should give out of our own mind. The early churches in the bible made a willing offering which was collected when they meet for worship on the first day of the week. After they have made their contributions at the feet of the apostles, the contributions will now be shared according to every man's need. The scripture said that no man lacked anything among them. This is how christianity should be and that is the basis you should use to judge christianity. Quite unfortunate that the gamblers in the ministry whose god is money are stockpiling today's church offerings in their personal accounts, riding expensive cars, buying expensive houses and private jets while the congregation are suffering. They build schools with the contribution of church members then turn around to take the school beyond the reach of these members. Its quite a shame and runs contrary to what christianity should be as recorded in the scripture so you shouldnt use it to judge christianity. Yet the truth remains that there are churches in our time that are not crazy about money, they dont practice the greed that we see in some other churches. in such churches, their leaders live a modest life and have no free access to church fund. Jesus taught us to give to th poor. At one point, a rich man came to him and Jesus told him to go and sell all that he has and give to the poor. The christianity Jesus brought for us says we should give to the poor. Give to people. He showed example by feeding thousands of people that came to listen to him. He didnt collect the one they had. Church offerings are to be used like the early churches, to minister to the need of brethren. This is christianity and has no comparison with your gambling. IF greed was part of christianity Jesus wouldnt have commended the widow who made the least offering(refereed to as widow's mite today), he would ve commended the money bags who gave large sum of money. Dont use the greed of today's church as christianity standard. 1 Like |
Re: Response To A Thread Titled -the Secret Of Christianity by honourhim: 10:54pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
In continuation of my response to your posts. You wrote this HardMirror: Again you lied in the bolded. People seek to be born again when they hear the word of God and are convinced by it. And of course something motivates you to do anything you are doing. Its normal about we human so you dont need to engage in the wayo you tried to play here with your statement In one of your thread here you said you were a secret atheist until you read Seun's post then you started being open. Here you tried to isolate what you said in the bolded to christianity alone whereas it is a general human characteristics which you are also guily of. Seun's post motivated you to become an athest, are you not guilty of what you accused christians of doing? You made it appear like a christian thing whereas Its happening everywhere. Any hair style that a celebrity makes starts reigning across the society, no matter how awkward or crazy it may look. Their fashion style are copied whereas a nobody has worn that style of cloth before without anybody noticing it. When a celebrity wears that style people embrace it. People like to talk like celebrities, act like them and copy them in so many things. Human beings have things that motivate them to do one thing or the other so trying to isolate it to christianity alone when it even reigns much more in the secular world is hypocritical of you. 1 Like |
Re: Response To A Thread Titled -the Secret Of Christianity by EyeHateGod: 12:47am On Sep 15, 2016 |
it doesn't matter they all Fit 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Response To A Thread Titled -the Secret Of Christianity by adjoviomole(m): 6:31am On Sep 15, 2016 |
We are all in this together. You atheist also have put your faith in one blief system which is their is no God. So you are not different from other religion. The end will justify. Let's wait till we die and we will know who is telling the truth. |
Re: Response To A Thread Titled -the Secret Of Christianity by honourhim: 6:50am On Sep 15, 2016 |
EyeHateGod: A real gambler wouldnt stick to one religion out of the many like christians do so your meme is not right. Maybe you need to go through HardMirror's thread again to understand gambling skills. You answered like someone who didnt read all of it. As for your "it doesnt matter" response, you are just being hypocritical. When you take something that is general to human and present it as if it is peculiar to christians alone thats hypocrisy so it matters in this case. Stop being insincere. 1 Like |
Re: Response To A Thread Titled -the Secret Of Christianity by honourhim: 7:09am On Sep 15, 2016 |
HardMirror: In the bible we are told about faith. We are also told about trials and temptation, about persecutions and tribulations that will come our way.Any of these factors could be the reason for prayers being unanswered. Paul had a particular health issue worrying him, he prayed severally about it but God refused to heal him and told him that his grace was sufficient for him. Christianity as presented in the scriptures is not all bed of roses so your encounter with those who kept asking you to increase your faith remains your business with them and does not reflect the principles of christianity. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Response To A Thread Titled -the Secret Of Christianity by honourhim: 10:11pm On Sep 15, 2016 |
HardMirror: You are partly right and partly wrong here. There are some fabricated testimonies and there are genuine ones. I have already said it earlier that the issue of fake and genuine products/people are everywhere, not only in christianity. There are people who get this miracles you mentioned genuinely the way you said it. |
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