hi to ol muslems!
i wnt to ask wish surrah was first brought to prophet mohammaed (s.wa.)

the surah of beheading and voilence koran 12 vs 5 its goes as follows

thou shall behead all the infidels and steal all their properties,
thou shall fight vigorously for the Allah's sake and drive away all the infidels and take over their towns and cities
thou shall hate and kill all the infidels, kill them all till the turn from their evil ways and accept isalm as the only true religion, which is the religion of Allah.
kill, kill, kill, kill them all bastard infidels

mazaje:

the surah of beheading and voilence koran 12 vs 5 its goes as follows

thou shall behead all the infidels and steal all their properties,
thou shall fight vigorously for the Allah's sake and drive away all the infidels and take over their towns and cities
thou shall hate and kill all the infidels, kill them all till the turn from their evil ways and accept isalm as the only true religion, which is the religion of Allah.
kill, kill, kill, kill them all bastard infidels

A$$alamu Allaikum indeed!

Hmmm--why do I have a bit of difficulty believing that any faith would preach and, thus, encourage the hatred of others?

FCmome:

hi to ol muslems!
i wnt to ask wish surrah was first brought to prophet mohammaed (s.wa.)

Hi FCmome,

I'm not a Muslim (used to be), but will share with you what we were told:

The first 5 verses of Sura 96 was believed by many to be the first of the ayat to be revealed to Muhammad. The Sura has 16 verses; but then some sources incline to Aisha's narative that the following words were the first to be revealed to the prophet:

Narrated Aishah: The first Surah of the Holy Qur`an to be revealed was ‘Read in the name of your Lord.’ [Hakim in his Al-Mustadrik and Bahaqi in Al-Dalail, a narration declared as a Sahih tradition].

However, Sura 96 is commonly held by the majority as the first of the Sura to be revealed to Muhammad.

Sallam.

@ Shahan

Somebody told me once that if u arrange the suras of the koran chronologically, you will notice a difference between the person speaking at the beginning and the one at the end. And that all the violence, hatred and sexual perversion only came in at later parts. How true?

@lafile,

Certainly, the chronological arrangement of the Sura of the Qur'an shows that there are several speakers of varying degrees. The Islamic mindset will deny this in order to protect the religion from anything that questions its authenticity as truly of God. Islamic scholars, however, are not all agreed as to the order the chronology should assume; and this concern is one of the reasons for the various denominations in Islam.

As for the violence, hatred and sexual perversions, you will not find any muslim claiming any such idea as imbeded or remotely suggested in the Qur'an. If you do, that would be a very queer "Muslim" indeed. However, Muhammad's rejection of the paganistic worship of the Arabs, and consequently their opposition to his claims of prophethood, are the two most important factors that gave rise to violence, hatred and sexual perversion.

This is not so conspicuous when reading the Qur'an in its present arrangement of Sura. However, it becomes obvious when one consults the Hadith (aḥādīth) and examines the career of Muhammad as a 'prophet'. And that is why you probably have heard the cliche: 'one muslim doesn't fit all' - pointing to the fact that most muslims do not trust the Hadith as a reliable source for understanding the message of the Qur'an.

Bottomline: indeed, as stated in your enquiry, the case is just to the point.

shahan:

@lafile,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,As for the violence, hatred and sexual perversions, you will not find any muslim claiming any such idea as imbeded or remotely suggested in the Qur'an. If you do, that would be a very queer "Muslim" indeed. However, Muhammad's rejection of the paganistic worship of the Arabs, and consequently their opposition to his claims of prophethood, are the two most important factors that gave rise to violence, hatred and sexual perversion.

@Shahan,
thanks for your usually insightful posts; while it is true historically that muhammed's failure in "converting" people (Arabs pagans, Jews, Christians) to his "new" brand of "monotheism" and his rejection as a prophet were the strongest factors responsible for his "spread it by violence" or "triumphantism"; but did muhammed actually reject the paganistic worship of the Arab pagans or he just refined the paganism into islam?

At some point in Muhammad’s life, he was convinced probably by the early Arab Christians that Polytheism was wrong and sought to reject the 360 pagan gods he had grown up with. Muhammad was converted to the concept of monotheism through the influence and teachings of Christians. However, being a proud "nationalistic cultural Arab", bent to preserve his traditions, Muhammad, decided to "reform" his native pagan religion, rather than adopt a completely different religion like Christianity or Judaism. So Muhammad took the top pagan god of the Kabah in Mecca (called Hubal and/or Allah) and chose it to be his new monotheistic god. This god was already considered the top god among other gods at the Kabah. Muhammad’s strategy was simple. Rather than converting all the Arab people to the monotheism of Christianity, Muhammad merely banished the other 359 pagan gods and chose the one remaining to be the one and only god, what Muslims refer to today as "Allah". Thus Islam was born.

When muslims chant "allah u akbar" the true english translation is "allah is the greatest" (i.e allah is greatest among the other idols); this supports the fact that islam is actually a repackaged polytheism; "a polytheism with monotheistic veil". There are many elements of pagan worship that Muhammad grafted directly into Islam virtually unchanged. The symbols, the temples and the rituals of modern Islam were practiced by polytheists before Muhammad was born

References:
- Muhammad at Mecca, W. Montgomery Watt, 1953, p 23-29
- Islam and the Arabs, Rom Landau, 1958 p 11-21
- The Life and Times of Muhammad, John Bagot Glubb, 1970
- Muhammad's Mecca, W. Montgomery Watt, Chapter 3
- Religion In Pre-Islamic Arabia, p26-45
- Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p xi-xiv

@Havila,

Many thanks for bringing this point into fine perspective. By stating "Muhammad's rejection of the paganistic worship of the Arabs", I didn't elaborate on that as much as you did:

Havila:

At some point in Muhammad’s life, he was convinced probably by the early Arab Christians that Polytheism was wrong and sought to reject the 360 pagan gods he had grown up with.

However, a small concern in your post:

Havila:

. . .Rather than converting all the Arab people to the monotheism of Christianity, Muhammad merely banished the other 359 pagan gods and chose the one remaining to be the one and only god, what Muslims refer to today as "Allah". Thus Islam was born.

While I recognise that there are varying persuasions on the underlying factors for Muhammad's choice of the chief idol *allah, I would say that the Quraish prophet reserved 3 other paganistic idols in his newly founded religion. These are the daughter idols of the chief *allah, and who are represented by the 3 initials in the second chapter of the Qur'an.

The initials are A.L.F. - and erudite muslim scholars will admit that no one knows the meaning of this "mystery"; and any attempt to investigate what they are, will meet with stiff resistance and threat to allude them to the daughter idols. Shakir attempts to supply a rendition for these initials as "Alif Lam Mim", and that is only duplicity. When you read the chapter 2 itself, you can't miss the fact that these daughter idols referred to the chief idol *allah in the second place singular (thy Lord, He, Him, your Guardian-Lord), while they continually make statements referring to themselves in the first person plural (WE, OUR, and US).

@Shahan,
Thanks once again; you are correct about the three duaghter gods (al-Lat, al-Uzzah and Manat are their names). While it is true historically that Muhammed initially chose only Hubal (or the moon god) as the only al-illah/allah ('the god'); later he included 3 other idols as the daughter goddesses of 'hubal or allah'. I posted the passage below in another topic but let me post it here again; it is from the Quran in which muhammed asked for his followers to worship the daughter gods as their intercessors but he later retracted it and blamed it on the devil:

"Near it is the Garden of Abode. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong! For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest! Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat? These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries) Whose intercession is to be hoped for."
[The word in bold are the acclaimed "Words of Satan" Deleted in modern day Quran] (Ref: an-Najm 53:19-22)

It is an "undeniable fact of history" that before Muhammed was born, the moon god "al-Ilah" (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah's shrine was located i.e the so-called Kaabah.
As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he deceptively decided to add the above verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah's three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat as stated above in the first paragraph. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, (probably because he had secured some considerable followership among the Arabs who then were more favourably disposed to polytheism) Muhammad claimed he was tricked by the devil in adding the passage in question, and that he got another revelation from "God" that the passage commanding the worship pf daughter gods should be removed. However the duaghter gods are still included in the Quran.
Such fake "corrective revelations" as demostrated by Muhammed are very common with false prophets and their cults who choose to receive a suitable "revelation" for a particular dire need. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormons also claimed he too received a "corrective revelation" from "God" (maybe allah) and then retracted his previous "divine command" allowing polygamy.
Therefore, we know and declare it again that (a)ISLAM IS IDOLATORY; (b) ISLAM IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE TRUE LIVING GOD; (c) ISLAM IS A REBELLION AGAINST THE TRUE LIVING GOD. It is a polytheism in false monotheistic veil; let him/her that has an ear let him hear and flee.

References:
- Muhammad at Mecca, W. Montgomery Watt, 1953, p 23-29
- Islam and the Arabs, Rom Landau, 1958 p 11-21
- The Life and Times of Muhammad, John Bagot Glubb, 1970
- Muhammad's Mecca, W. Montgomery Watt, Chapter 3
- Religion In Pre-Islamic Arabia, p26-45
- Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p xi-xiv

Thanks for bringing out the salient points on the present subject, and thereby adding to my understanding.

Cheers.

@ Havila,
What great perspicuity of words.

Well stated Havila.
May God continually continue to bless you!