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Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by jonbellion(m): 11:36am On Oct 26, 2016 |
felixomor1:You are actually justifying murder cuz it was in Gods case. I honestly don't know what to tell you again |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by felixomor1: 11:39am On Oct 26, 2016 |
jonbellion: Ur freedom of speech ends where another person's own starts. And also where the law starts.. And that law is represented by the officer. U can see the type of reasoning u r using. No wonder. Be using google as ur Constitution there. Lol Moreover the people u even captured seem to also be groaning like angry kids who were mocking the prophet and then complaining after they were punished. Continue with ur google law and order. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by jonbellion(m): 11:45am On Oct 26, 2016 |
felixomor1:what are you saying?? I said it is legal to curse at the police but it is not advisable. Is that so hard to understand. It is way better in the United states though you can be harassed Something that is in the first amendment *facepalm* |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by jonbellion(m): 11:46am On Oct 26, 2016 |
felixomor1:. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by felixomor1: 11:49am On Oct 26, 2016 |
jonbellion: Ok something can be legal and not advisable. Yeah right. So also i would not advise anybody to mock a genuine prophet or else u would end up groaning like those angry kids on ur google page. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by hahn(m): 11:51am On Oct 26, 2016 |
felixomor1: Those are now laws and not commands? Ok. It is god's laws that you should do what is listed. How many have you done? |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by felixomor1: 11:52am On Oct 26, 2016 |
hahn: How many I (me) have done is now the issue? |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by Nobody: 11:54am On Oct 26, 2016 |
donnffd:First, you have made a vital point to be considered wholeheartedly. But there is something you pointed out which I am quite at odds with. There is nothing that is predestined, only lazy people think so. People who lack the courage to face the trials before them. People whose thinking is abysmal and vehicled by fear of things which are mundane. Morality, though personal, at times need to be instilled or inculcated so as to make one aware of things which are morally debasing or upholding. Murder is totally immoral and against life but even with that, people use it as basis for vengeance or resentment towards inflicted harm and thus, the need to forgive arises and God has just made us aware of the benefits of forgiveness and then such a precept becomes personal being aware of it as a thinking person. Moral value becomes personal when it is inculcated. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by donnffd(m): 12:23pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
jonbellion: Yea, its just fruitless engaging with some of these peeps... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by hahn(m): 12:28pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
donnffd: I dey tell you |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by donnffd(m): 12:34pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
lordnicklaus: Superb response and i agree with you wholeheartedly, but my intention was to find out the reason for being moral purely from a theistic point of view. We know inherently know that murder is bad, but many claims that this knowledge comes from God, so if it really does, then by which standard those God set his own morality?, by his own will or by what is true independant of reality? If it is by his own will, then morality isnt really objective since it will change according to the commands of God and if it is independant of reality then it means God was not responsible for morality in the first place!. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by Richirich713: 1:01pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
donnffd: I'm saying that goodness is intrinsic to God's being, his nature and character defines what is good, and his commands are a manifestation of his nature. What if God commanded me to kill my child? What if I was the father of Stalin or hitler? Killing is not the same as murder, me killing in self defense is not evil or wrong becuz my reasons for killing are adequate. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by raphieMontella: 1:38pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
oh...this is why 4everGod opened that thread...i see |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by sonmvayina(m): 3:30pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
Can somebody please relate this topic to the murder of jesus? |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by peacesamuel94(m): 3:35pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
Touchnot01: This is exactly why religion/theism is important. You think if everyone is allowed to do what makes them happy, the world will be a better place, or when morality becomes subjected to our individual intepretation of it, The world will improve? The answer is a capital NO, Mankind will self destruct, The result will be catastrophic to humanity. Think of it this way, If all the rapists thieves, paedophiles,killers,looters sadomasochist etc, on earth were allowed to do what actually makes them happy.... A world where no one stands for something will fall for anything. Thats why religion acts like some kind of restraint, it helps to keep us in check. the fight against religion is actually an indirect attempt to annihilate mankind. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by Genesis2000(m): 4:14pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
felixomor1: Oh infact, i was about to reply this op, until i saw ur response. Thank you, you have saved me from the stress of typing. Good response. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by MrMontella(m): 5:41pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
peacesamuel94:if that were to be true.. christians wont outnumber atheists in prisons but reverse is the fact. And secular societis wont fare better reverse is the case the world is even more peaceful as secularism increases.. the top ten peaceful countries are the least religious... And to show for it,,the happiest countries are the least religious if secularism is catastrophic [url=jezebel.com/godless-parents-are-doing-a-better-job-1682844001]secular children wont fare better[/url] but we see them doing so.. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by donnffd(m): 7:20pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
Richirich713: This is called special pleading, so if Abraham had killed his son, it wont be regarded as murder? Then if goodness is intrinsic to Gods nature, then you shouldn't be afraid to carry out the commands of God from the old testament, should you?, he is the same yesterday, today and forever right? |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by Richirich713: 8:44pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
donnffd: its not murder cuz God the one who created and gave him Isaac is giving the command, Abraham himself does not have the right to take isaac life as he never created nor can he restore it, but God does. donnffd: No there should be not problem as long as the context is the same |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by peacesamuel94(m): 9:50pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
MrMontella: Dont mix things up, secularism and atheism may seem similar but they are not the same, that a country is secular does not necessarily mean that it is atheistic, China for example is secular, yet religions like taoism, confucianism, buddhism are practiced there, needless to say, atheists are secular people, but secular people are not necessarily atheists. In my earlier post, i quoted someone that suggested that morality should be interpreted according to our individual perception of it, which i pointed out to be disastrous. If you kill someone in any secular nation in the world today, you will surely be convicted for murder just the same way religious nations would do. which means they are not totally without believes. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by raphieMontella: 8:49am On Oct 27, 2016 |
peacesamuel94:no you said---- Morality is never from religion..thats what you wanted to imply.. Whenever there's a society---Need for morality arises.. They are two sides of a coin.. If you're the only person on earth...there would be nothing like morality/moral laws...but once a social species come together...it arises..because of a common goal----survival morality is not tied to religion.. The piraha people have no religion..yet they have moral laws... So thats why the secular nations which subjected their laws to collective perception are not regressing..rather progressing.. this is one misconception about the notion of morality too.. If they feel it makes them happy..they can do it on THEMSELVES..but when they extrapolate such behaviours to OTHER PEOPLE it no longer becomes personal..but communal.. Cant break it further... Even in nature,social species such as wolves and bees..have their own laws. Bottomline; Society--Morality=survival. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by shadeyinka(m): 8:46am On Nov 01, 2016 |
donnffd: Till date, this is the weakest post I've seen you make. Wrong Premise! Wrong Assumptions! Wrong Conclusion! I wish you could withdraw this. You'll notice for some time I've deliberately moved out of atheist-theist discussions. I do not intend to start again but a vey simple analysis shows that your bias is bringing forth bad judgement. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by donnffd(m): 8:40pm On Nov 01, 2016 |
shadeyinka: You would be amazed the number of theists whose thinking capabilities are not set straight, the post was born from a frustrated thought process that erupted after a very funny and irritating theist asked me "if God doesnt exist, why dont you go about killing and raping people". *facepalm* |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by shadeyinka(m): 8:00am On Nov 02, 2016 |
donnffd: I understand! Later, I'll find time we can chat. Stay Blessed my Friend! |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by Weah96: 9:27am On Nov 02, 2016 |
Richirich713:So the TRUE creator will send out contract killers? There's no point in looking for the true creator before you murder on his behalf, because the true creator will always end up being your own god. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by wirinet(m): 10:55am On Nov 02, 2016 |
felixomor1: What exactly are you saying? that insulting an officer of the law deserves capital punishment? In that case any one that insults TB Joshua and other self acclaimed prophets should be shot. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by felixomor1: 5:22pm On Nov 02, 2016 |
wirinet: Insjulting officers deserves punishment, yes! Why are u even thinking in that direction? |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by ValentineMary(m): 6:20pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Richirich713:So if this "true God" good or not whoever he might be? if anything he does is good, then good has no real meaning to him because it would not hold to him. Or is it good because he orders it? in that morality is subjective and depends on ur God present state. |
Re: Murder Is Not Wrong As Long As There Is A God! by ValentineMary(m): 6:28pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Richirich713:Then in that case good has no real meaning being attributed to him. If he says kill all the sons of mr ABC, then according to you it is good but according to objective morality it is bad. Can u now say that morality is purely objective? What if he tells you to kill just to please him? |
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