Christian Cartoonist, Jack Chick Dies at 92

Remembering Jack Chick: the Christian cartoonist who tried to save us from hell
The unapologetically fundamentalist artist, who died on Sunday, may be ‘the most widely read theologian in human history’
Tuesday 25 October 2016 20.01 BST Last modified on Tuesday 25 October 2016 23.35 BST

Jack T Chick, the cartoonist and evangelist, died on Sunday at the age of 92. It is probably safe to say that there was no one else like him in the world.

Karen Rockney, Chick's secretary and friend of 45 years, confirmed his death by phone on Monday, saying she had last seen him the previous day. Chick, for weeks in poor health, had known he was close to the end, Rockney said.

"The last time I actually spoke to him was last Thursday,” she said. “We were there in his home. He didn’t have a lot to say; he knew he was going. There were several of us from Chick Publications who were there to share with him. He let us know he loved us all and would see us soon."

Chick rarely gave interviews; Rockney declined to provide contact information for his widow, Susie Chick, or Fred Carter, Jack's co-artist since 1972. Carter's work graced the pages of Chick-written comics during the mid-1970s boom in Christian comics publishing, alongside titles from the former Archie Comics artist Al Hartley's religious comics company, Spire. Carter also illustrated a line of comics featuring black characters – some of them his own stories, some reworked from previous Chick tracts in order to broaden the comics’ audience and better serve Chick’s all-important mission of evangelism.

To Americans who grew up in or adjacent to evangelical Christian communities in the 1970s and 80s, Chick's harsh stories about the wages of sin were both inescapable and oddly inviting in the way of very few other methods of proselytizing. Often left in places known to attract sinners – on video games, public transportation or stacks of glossier comics – the little black-and-white books are instantly recognizable: about the size of a dollar bill, each cover with stark white title text over one half, a two-colour illustration on the other half.

This format, incidentally, is also the right size for a Tijuana bible, the slang name for the cheaply-produced depression-era pornographic comics starring cartoon characters such as Blondie and Popeye, which would have been in circulation when Chick was a boy. His innovation on the format outlasted the porn version by several decades, which surely pleased him.

Chick was married to his first wife, Lola Lynn, for 50 years; when she died, he married again, to Susie Chick. His only child, a daughter named Carol, died in 1998 after complications from surgery, Rockney said. Chick was not a Christian when he first met Lynn, Rockney told the Guardian, but his future in-laws insisted they listen to Charles E Fuller’s Old Fashioned Revival Hour together, and Chick adopted a charismatic form of Christianity that recast life’s difficulties in terms of a titanic struggle between ultimate good and absolute evil. That perspective would inform his work for the rest of his life.

A lot of people hated Jack Chick. He wrote furious screeds against Dungeons & Dragons, against Catholicism and against rock music; he waged a long and ultimately unsuccessful war on Halloween. If you were Jewish or Muslim or gay, Chick wanted you to be saved from the fires of hell and wrote a comic to tell you so.

At one time or another, Chick's work was repudiated by his co-religionists, bookseller trade associations, and at least once by the government of Canada, which outlawed the distribution of a few of his comics as hate speech, according to an issue of the critic and New Yorker writer Daniel Raeburn's magazine the Imp, devoted to Chick.

If Chick was troubled, it wasn't by insincerity. Asked about Chick’s personal life, Rockney suggested a recent excerpt from the organization's newsletter, Battle Cry: "He wrote about the witches that were sent to take his family out and how the Lord protected him," Rockney recalled. "That’s recent. He just wrote that." Chick befriended at least one of the witches, Rockney said.

The organization would throw parties – "banquets", in her words – to celebrate milestones. In his last days, as he sat quietly surrounded by friends, Rockney said, they tried to ease his pain by reminding him of his hope of heaven. "I told him the next Chick Publications banquet is going to be with the Lord, and he got a big smile on his face," she said.

Many underground and alternative comic artists admired him. In an interview last year, the cartoonist Daniel Clowes said that, as far as he was concerned, Chick deserved a place in the comics pantheon. "As a comics aficionado you don't really think of those as being part of the official canon of effective comics," he said. "And one day I sort of changed my mind on that. I thought, 'These are really compelling and interesting and I'd rather read these than pretty much anything else published in 1985.'"

The revelation came after a Chick tracts bender, Clowes said: "[O]ne day I made a long trek out to a Christian bookstore in Queens where they had a rack where they sold them, and I bought every single one, which totalled I think $3. I think they were each 10 cents. And I went home and read them all in one sitting, and it was maybe the most devastating comics-reading experience I've ever had. I really felt like he’d almost won me over by the end. There’s really something to be said for that."

Clowes drew his own parody of a Chick Tract, called Devil Doll, for the first issue of his own indie comics series, Eightball; other cartoonists including Jim Woodring and the celebrated underground cartoonist Robert Crumb mimicked Chick's blunt storytelling style. At one point, a rumour circulated that Chick was in fact a pseudonym for Robert Crumb. (He wasn't.)

By financial standards, the Chick Publications enterprise is successful – it has employed its small staff for nearly five decades – but in terms of pure saturation, it is a phenomenon. Raeburn called Chick "the most widely read theologian in human history"; if that is an exaggeration, it is a slight one. Four hundred million Chick tracts, sold in packets of 25 at just above cost, had been distributed in 1998 when Raeburn wrote that.

Rockney put the number closer to 1bn. "He was that very special, special person," she said. "He sacrificed a lot to give what he gave to the world, and he's one of the greatest reformers in the world."

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/25/jack-chick-christian-comic-cartoonist-death

"Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints" (Psalm 116:15).

Satan's master


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwKVaIR_krg

Oh what a loss! This man's cartoons!!! Well, he died at a good old age, full of years and I trust has been gathered to the One Who died for Him and now lives forever.

Scholar8200:


Oh what a loss! This man's cartoons!!! Well, he died at a good old age, full of years and I trust has been gathered to the One Who died for Him and now lives forever.

Jack Chick too can say together with Paul that:

"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing" (2 Timothy 4:7-8.).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E5ObO_Cx9o

As reported on CBN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36ozecqg9c

You don't know Jack


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=totLO3sV6-Y

http://www.chick.com/information/Jack-Chick/

SHALOM!

JACK T. CHICK was one of my formative influences. His THE NEXT STEP FOR GROWING CHRISTIANS should be required reading.

OLAADEGBU:
Christian Cartoon, Jack Chick Dies at 92

I was surprised to hear online that "JACK T. CHICK'S" true identity was unknown- that only a select few knew who he was.

I was surprised to learn that not all Born Again Christians believed the same things- but if it were not for his Ministry, I would be never have found out why in time.

He was the first to publicize the life story of EX-BISHOP ALBERTO RIVERA, who defected from THE ROMAN CATHOLIC JESUIT ORDER, and bring to light their sinister nature.

He exposed the fact that WORLD WAR II was the ROMAN CATHOLIC ATTEMPT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD BY MILITARY FORCE, destroying ALL other forms of Christianity in the process.

That the ILLUMINATI, BILDERBERGERS, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, TRILATERAL COMMISSION, etc. are merely a SMOKESCREEN to hide the REAL THREAT AND PUPPST.ASTER

SHALOM!

JACK T. CHICK was one of my formative influences. His THE NEXT STEP FOR GROWING CHRISTIANS should be required reading.

OLAADEGBU:
Christian Cartoon, Jack Chick Dies at 92

I was surprised to hear online that "JACK T. CHICK'S" true identity was unknown- that only a select few knew who he was.

I was surprised to learn that not all Born Again Christians believed the same things- but if it were not for his Ministry, I would be never have found out why in time.

He was the first to publicize the life story of EX-BISHOP ALBERTO RIVERA, who defected from THE ROMAN CATHOLIC JESUIT ORDER, and bring to light their sinister nature.

He exposed the fact that WORLD WAR II was the ROMAN CATHOLIC ATTEMPT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD BY MILITARY FORCE, destroying ALL other forms of Christianity in the process.

That the ILLUMINATI, BILDERBERGERS, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, TRILATERAL COMMISSION, etc. are merely a SMOKESCREEN to hide the REAL THREAT AND PUPPETMASTERS: THE VATICAN.

92 is a good age to bow out. ADIEU SIR

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

JACK T. CHICK was one of my formative influences. His THE NEXT STEP FOR GROWING CHRISTIANS should be required reading.



I was surprised to hear online that "JACK T. CHICK'S" true identity was unknown- that only a select few knew who he was.

I was surprised to learn that not all Born Again Christians believed the same things- but if it were not for his Ministry, I would be never have found out why in time.

He was the first to publicize the life story of EX-BISHOP ALBERTO RIVERA, who defected from THE ROMAN CATHOLIC JESUIT ORDER, and bring to light their sinister nature.

He exposed the fact that WORLD WAR II was the ROMAN CATHOLIC ATTEMPT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD BY MILITARY FORCE, destroying ALL other forms of Christianity in the process.

That the ILLUMINATI, BILDERBERGERS, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, TRILATERAL COMMISSION, etc. are merely a SMOKESCREEN to hide the REAL THREAT AND PUPPETMASTERS: THE VATICAN.

How many of the Alberto comic series have you read?

OLAADEGBU:


Jack Chick too can say together with Paul that:

"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing" (2 Timothy 4:7-8.).

May he find forgiveness before judgement. i hope he obtains mercy.
i really wish he repented from his misinformations, distortion, lies and conspiracy theories b4 he died.

Eternal rest grant unto him o Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. may he rest in peace.

Ubenedictus:


May he find forgiveness before judgement. i hope he obtains mercy.
i really wish he repented from his misinformations, distortion, lies and conspiracy theories b4 he died.

Eternal rest grant unto him o Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. may he rest in peace.

I think you need that prayer more than him because you don't know Jack!

OLAADEGBU:


I think you need that prayer more than him because you don't know Jack!

Everyone needs prayer but Jack Jick was indeed a purveyor of many falsehoods. The most notorious falsehood being the one involving the criminal Alberto Rivera. May God forgive him.

Papist:


Everyone needs prayer but Jack Jick was indeed a purveyor of many falsehoods. The most notorious falsehood being the one involving the criminal Alberto Rivera. May God forgive him.

Would it be fair to say that both of you are heading for different destinations?

Pidggin:


92 is a good age to bow out. ADIEU SIR

You will live long. Remain rapturable.

OLAADEGBU:


Would it be fair to say that both of you are heading for different destinations?

I dont know where I'm headed but I know Jack Chick peddled many lies. Like his allegation that the Vatican created Islam, the Vatican has a super computer with names of all Protestants and lots of other ridiculous things. May I suggest you do a really non biased study of this man that you idolise so much.

OLAADEGBU:


I think you need that prayer more than him because you don't know Jack!

i never claim i knew jack, and i guess u dont know him personally either. what i know is the lies, falsehood and conspiracy theories he spread. I wish he repented from them and found mercy before GOD.

Papist:

I dont know where I'm headed but I know Jack Chick peddled many lies. Like his allegation that the Vatican created Islam, the Vatican has a super computer with names of all Protestants and lots of other ridiculous things. May I suggest you do a really non biased study of this man that you idolise so much.

Look around you and tell me you can't see the romance going on between Isam and Catholicsm.

I'm of the opinion that the topic should be changed from "Cartoon" to "Cartoonist"

Anas09:

Look around you and tell me you can't see the romance going on between Isam and Catholicsm.

What Romance? Just the modern heresy of religious indifferentism that has infected most Catholic bishops including the Pope. By the way, they act with this religious indifferentism towards Protestants as well. The Pope was recently in Sweden to commemorate Martin Luther! Here is what Catholic saints said(these are people whose teachings we must value as Catholics):

“Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian
faith is lost, like your false prophet Muhammad.”
-St. Peter Mavimenus (d. 8th century), martyr from
Gaza. Response reported in the Martyriologum
Romanum when he was asked to convert to Islam by a group of Muslims.


“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites
which to this day prevails and keeps people in
error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. From
that time to the present a false prophet named
Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man,
after having chanced upon the Old and New
Testaments and likewise, it seems, having
conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own
heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the
good graces of the people by a show of seeming
piety, he gave out that a certain book had been
sent down to him from heaven. He had set down
some ridiculous compositions in this book of his
and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.”
-St. John Damascene (d. 749), Syrian Arab Catholic
monk and scholar. Quoted from his book On Heresies
under the section On the Heresy of the Ishmaelites (in
The Fathers of the Church. Vol. 37. Translated by the
Catholic University of America. CUA Press. 1958.
Pages 153-160.)

“We profess Christ to be truly God and your
prophet to be a precursor of the Antichrist and
other profane doctrine.”
-Sts. Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian,
Walabonsus, and Wistremundus (d. 851), martyrs of
Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum
in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-
Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on
pain of death.
“Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does
not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity,
refutes baptism, defames Christians, and
derogates the priesthood, we consider to be
damned.”
-Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d.
852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the
Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad
Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert
to Islam on pain of death.

“The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for
beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the
believer has to expect there.”
St. Alfonsus Liguori (d. 1787). Quoted from his book,
The History of Heresies and their Refutation.

“On the other hand, those who founded sects
committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a
way that is opposite to this, the point is clear in
the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by
promises of carnal pleasure to which the
concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching
also contained precepts that were in conformity
with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal
pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was
obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of
his doctrine, he brought forward only such as
could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone
with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that
he taught he mingled with many fables and with
doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring
forth any signs produced in a supernatural way,
which alone fittingly gives witness to divine
inspiration; for a visible action that can be only
divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth.
On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent
in the power of his arms—which are signs not
lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”
-St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274), Theologian and Doctor
of the Church. Quoted from his De Rationibus Fidei
Contra Saracenos, Graecos, et Armenos and translated
from Fr. Damian Fehlner’sAquinas on Reasons for the
Faith: Against the Muslims, Greeks, and Armenians
(Franciscans of the Immaculate. 2002.).

Papist:


I dont know where I'm headed but I know Jack Chick peddled many lies. Like his allegation that the Vatican created Islam, the Vatican has a super computer with names of all Protestants and lots of other ridiculous things. May I suggest you do a really non biased study of this man that you idolise so much.

Jack knew where he was heading to but you don't know where you are heading to. Does that not tell you that you are groping in the dark?

Papist:

What Romance? Just the modern heresy of religious indifferentism that has infected most Catholic bishops including the Pope. By the way, they act with this religious indifferentism towards Protestants as well. The Pope was recently in Sweden to commemorate Martin Luther! Here is what Catholic saints said(these are people whose teachings we must value as Catholics):

“Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian
faith is lost, like your false prophet Muhammad.”
-St. Peter Mavimenus (d. 8th century), martyr from
Gaza. Response reported in the Martyriologum
Romanum when he was asked to convert to Islam by a group of Muslims.


“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites
which to this day prevails and keeps people in
error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. From
that time to the present a false prophet named
Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man,
after having chanced upon the Old and New
Testaments and likewise, it seems, having
conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own
heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the
good graces of the people by a show of seeming
piety, he gave out that a certain book had been
sent down to him from heaven. He had set down
some ridiculous compositions in this book of his
and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.”
-St. John Damascene (d. 749), Syrian Arab Catholic
monk and scholar. Quoted from his book On Heresies
under the section On the Heresy of the Ishmaelites (in
The Fathers of the Church. Vol. 37. Translated by the
Catholic University of America. CUA Press. 1958.
Pages 153-160.)

“We profess Christ to be truly God and your
prophet to be a precursor of the Antichrist and
other profane doctrine.”
-Sts. Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian,
Walabonsus, and Wistremundus (d. 851), martyrs of
Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum
in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-
Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on
pain of death.
“Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does
not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity,
refutes baptism, defames Christians, and
derogates the priesthood, we consider to be
damned.”
-Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d.
852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the
Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad
Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert
to Islam on pain of death.

“The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for
beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the
believer has to expect there.”
St. Alfonsus Liguori (d. 1787). Quoted from his book,
The History of Heresies and their Refutation.

“On the other hand, those who founded sects
committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a
way that is opposite to this, the point is clear in
the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by
promises of carnal pleasure to which the
concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching
also contained precepts that were in conformity
with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal
pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was
obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of
his doctrine, he brought forward only such as
could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone
with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that
he taught he mingled with many fables and with
doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring
forth any signs produced in a supernatural way,
which alone fittingly gives witness to divine
inspiration; for a visible action that can be only
divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth.
On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent
in the power of his arms—which are signs not
lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”
-St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274), Theologian and Doctor
of the Church. Quoted from his De Rationibus Fidei
Contra Saracenos, Graecos, et Armenos and translated
from Fr. Damian Fehlner’sAquinas on Reasons for the
Faith: Against the Muslims, Greeks, and Armenians
(Franciscans of the Immaculate. 2002.).

All this epistle?

Ubenedictus:


i never claim i knew jack, and i guess u dont know him personally either. what i know is the lies, falsehood and conspiracy theories he spread. I wish he repented from them and found mercy before GOD.

That still does not dispute the fact that you don't know Jack.

hopefulLandlord:


I'm of the opinion that the topic should be changed from "Cartoon" to "Cartoonist"

Topic edited. Thanks for the correction.

Papist:

What Romance? Just the modern heresy of religious indifferentism that has infected most Catholic bishops including the Pope. By the way, they act with this religious indifferentism towards Protestants as well. The Pope was recently in Sweden to commemorate Martin Luther! Here is what Catholic saints said(these are people whose teachings we must value as Catholics):

“Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian
faith is lost, like your false prophet Muhammad.”
-St. Peter Mavimenus (d. 8th century), martyr from
Gaza. Response reported in the Martyriologum
Romanum when he was asked to convert to Islam by a group of Muslims.


“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites
which to this day prevails and keeps people in
error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. From
that time to the present a false prophet named
Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man,
after having chanced upon the Old and New
Testaments and likewise, it seems, having
conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own
heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the
good graces of the people by a show of seeming
piety, he gave out that a certain book had been
sent down to him from heaven. He had set down
some ridiculous compositions in this book of his
and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.”
-St. John Damascene (d. 749), Syrian Arab Catholic
monk and scholar. Quoted from his book On Heresies
under the section On the Heresy of the Ishmaelites (in
The Fathers of the Church. Vol. 37. Translated by the
Catholic University of America. CUA Press. 1958.
Pages 153-160.)

“We profess Christ to be truly God and your
prophet to be a precursor of the Antichrist and
other profane doctrine.”
-Sts. Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian,
Walabonsus, and Wistremundus (d. 851), martyrs of
Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum
in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-
Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on
pain of death.
“Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does
not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity,
refutes baptism, defames Christians, and
derogates the priesthood, we consider to be
damned.”
-Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d.
852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the
Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad
Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert
to Islam on pain of death.

“The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for
beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the
believer has to expect there.”
St. Alfonsus Liguori (d. 1787). Quoted from his book,
The History of Heresies and their Refutation.

“On the other hand, those who founded sects
committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a
way that is opposite to this, the point is clear in
the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by
promises of carnal pleasure to which the
concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching
also contained precepts that were in conformity
with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal
pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was
obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of
his doctrine, he brought forward only such as
could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone
with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that
he taught he mingled with many fables and with
doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring
forth any signs produced in a supernatural way,
which alone fittingly gives witness to divine
inspiration; for a visible action that can be only
divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth.
On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent
in the power of his arms—which are signs not
lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”
-St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274), Theologian and Doctor
of the Church. Quoted from his De Rationibus Fidei
Contra Saracenos, Graecos, et Armenos and translated
from Fr. Damian Fehlner’sAquinas on Reasons for the
Faith: Against the Muslims, Greeks, and Armenians
(Franciscans of the Immaculate. 2002.).

But, what about this stated in your catechism(be nice to correct me if this was doctored whence it was copied):

According to paragraph 841 of the Catholic Profession of Faith:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

This sure contradicts all those men you quoted. Were they really catholics?

Anas09:

All this epistle?

You stated that current Catholic romance with Islam is proof that Catholicism created Islam and I showed you that Catholis saints from as far back as the 8th century have been uncompromisingly critical of Islam and that this modern approval of Islam is a modernist heresy. And all you have to say is *all this epistle.*

Scholar8200:
But, what about this stated in your catechism(be nice to correct me if this was doctored whence it was copied):

According to paragraph 841 of the Catholic Profession of Faith:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

This sure contradicts most of those men you quoted.

Yes that quote from the Catholic catechism contradicts centuries of Church teaching from Popes, Church doctors and saints. Personally I agree with the saints and disagree with the modernist catechism on this. Besides, the catechism is not an infallible document. Neither is Nostra Aetate. Did you say the Catholic Profession of faith? The Catholic profession of faith is the Credo in Unum Deum, not the Catechism.

Papist:

Yes that quote from the Catholic catechism contradicts centuries of Church teaching from Popes, Church doctors and saints. Personally I agree with the saints and disagree with the modernist catechism on this. Besides, the catechism is not an infallible document. Neither is Nostra Aetate. Did you say the Catholic Profession of faith? The Catholic profession of faith is the Credo in Unum Deum, not the Catechism.

Alright.

Papist:

You stated that current Catholic romance with Islam is proof that Catholicism created Islam and I showed you that Catholis saints from as far back as the 8th century have been uncompromisingly critical of Islam and that this modern approval of Islam is a modernist heresy. And all you have to say is *all this epistle.*

I still maintain my position, i just don't feel up to it this evening, we would have gone into details.

Enjoy your evening.

Anas09:

I still maintain my position, i just don't feel up to it this evening, we would have gone into details.

Enjoy your evening.

Well thank you for the good wishes. Have a good evening too. If you ever get up to it I would be willing to hear why you maintain your position.