Extremists vs Moderates


Everyone can easily affiliate with any of today's religion, be it Christianity or Islam instituted by Yahshua and Mohammed respectively. But the question is are you truly following the author of your faith?

Yahshua the Messiah is the author and finisher of the Christian faith. Hebrew 12:2

Mohammad is said to be the best model for mankind to follow by the Quran 33:2

YUSUF ALI
"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."

Now, who is a Christian? A Christian is someone who follows the commandments and ways of Yahshua to the fullest, not one who worships God and Mamon.
Mathew 6:25
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Who isn't lukewarm both practices the faith as instituted by Yahshua.

Revelations 3:16

But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth!

You can fool everyone by claiming you are his follower, even fill forms stating Christianity as your religion. Guess what? You can't fool him.
He knows his sheep.

John 10:12
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"

So, if there's anything like extremism in Christianity, such will be striving to do the exact same thing Yahshua did which was sinless.

1 John 3:5
"You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin."

A true Christian...

will forgive those that spitefully use them like Yahshua forgave the thief he was crucified with.

Will forgive his neighbor even if the person offends them over 400times in a day.

Will show love to his enemies, pray for them and be a peace maker.

Will love his wife even as Yahshua loves the church.

The above are just a few of the qualities of a true Christian. Yahshua was sinless, so we should all strive to be sinless. Even the Quran says he is sinless.


Now, Muslims always claim that the Terrorist groups, suicide bombers and jihadists who scream Allahu Akbar while carrying out acts of terror aren't really Muslims. They still say this even when terror groups claim responsibility of terror acts by even citing the Quran to buttress their point. They call the jihadists Extremist while they refer to the non-jihadists as moderates.

Now, who is an extremist Muslim and who is a moderate, or better yet who is a muslim?

If the Quran calls Mohammad the best model for mankind to follow, then whoever lives his life like Mohammad can be said to be a true Muslim.

Extremist means someone who believes in something and follows it to the highest or greatest degree, while Moderate is someone who doesn't do things in excess.

Now, let's check the life of Mohammad, whom the Quran describes as the best model for mankind to follow, and see whether the extremist Muslims or the moderates are the ones living up to his standard. Who was Mohammad?

He was a prophet who married a 6yr old girl and consummated the marriage when she became 9yrs old. He slaughtered over 600 Jews in one day. He was polygamous and had sex slaves. He received the Quran from Allah. Below are a few words from the quran:

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you , and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land... "

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.

Sahih Bukhari (52:73) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords'."


Now, if you are a moderate, be sincere with yourself. Aren't the extremists the true Muslims? They have followed the sunnah or ways of the Prophet Muhammad and you still call them non-muslims or people giving Islam a bad name? If Mohammad was alive today, what do you think he would be doing? The answer lies in ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, Hezbollah, Alqaeda etc. What do you think those groups are doing? They are simply carrying out the words of the Quran which says

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

They are ensuring that Islam is the only religion left on earth, so they FIGHT to achieve that, even if it takes killing Moderates.

I pray the truth sets you free very soon.

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[b]Who is a Muslim?

A Muslim is a person who submit his will to God through the teachings of his messengers of the time. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was not the founder of Islam. The first Muslim on earth is Adam peace be upon him. Likewise Abraham, Noah and all messengers of God including Jesus peace be upon him.

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is the last and final messenger and was given the last and final revelation.

I don't understand what you call moderate Muslim, what I know is True Muslim.

You picked up some verses of the Quran to justify your claims without telling us when was the verse revealed? Why was the verse revealed? Those are specific verse with a specific ruling and can in no way be applied to general situations. The command of the verse waere only to be applied in the event of a battle. So I challenge you to provide the context of the verses and on what situation they were revealed.

Islam Does Not Teach Terrorism

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that [size=20]whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. [/size] And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. Qur'an 5:32


Say, "O disbelievers,I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. [size=20] For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." [/size] ( Chapter 109)

If Disbelievers Want Peace, Not Only Allow Them To Go Free But Escort Them To Secure Place

[size=16] "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; [/size][size=20] and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge." [/size] [size=16] [Al-Qur'an 9:6] [/size]

The Qur'an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace.

But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don't just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur'an to promote peace in the world.









Now who is a true Muslim? The one who read and understand the Qur'an or the one who quote a verses out of context that is revealed in a particular situation to generalize his actions. You thinking is the same with that of the terrorist, cuz' u quote the verses out of context without it explanation. [/b]

Regarding Jesus Being Sinless

The Muslims believe the Prophets were sinless and pure. It doesn't means they were divine The Holy Quran validates the Prophets of God by denying the falsehood
of the Bible. The Old Testament degrades the Prophets of God and vilifies them. We don’t believe the Biblical stories of moral depravity; the Holy Prophets never caused any evil.

But unfortunately, the New Testament has distorted the pure image of Jesus. Christians boast that Jesus was sinless and pure, yet the Bible teaches the exact opposite.

Jesus was adopted into a cursed lineage; he was baptized to remove the sins. Christians believe the exact opposite of the New Testament.

Let us quote the passage:

John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. (Mark 1:4)

[size=20] Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. [/size] But John tried to deter him, saying, [size=20] "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." [/size] Then John consented (Matthew 3:13-15)

Bible Teaches Terrorism Not Qur'an

" Now [size=20]kill all the boys [/size] [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, [size=20] but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. [/size] (Numbers 31:17-18) "

Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals! Deuteronomy 20:16


1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.


"Do not suppose that I have come to bring [size=20]peace [/size] to the earth. [size=20] I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. [/size]


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" Now [size=20]kill all the boys [/size] [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, [size=20] but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. [/size] (Numbers 31:17-18) "

Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals! Deuteronomy 20:16


1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.


"Do not suppose that I have come to bring [size=20]peace [/size] to the earth. [size=20] I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. [/size]


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Jakallahu khairan my brother and good friend. Oya 4evergod and the rest come and defend your religion of love.

NB: no lies are allowed

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A Muslim is a person who submit his will to God through the teachings of his messengers of the time. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was not the founder of Islam. The first Muslim on earth is Adam peace be upon him. Likewise Abraham, Noah and all messengers of God including Jesus peace be upon him.

Now, ask yourself: how come all those prophets and people of old before Mohammad never called themselves Muslims? My friend, a Muslim is someone who practices Islam by praying 5 times a day facing the Kaaba and acting exactly like Mohammad the prophet of his religion, which is getting married to an under age girl and fighting in the cause of Allah. Now, you don't need to check carefully to realise that Mohammad and Islam's god is not the Yahweh of the Bible cos their modus operandi are quite different and contracting each other.

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Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is the last and final messenger and was given the last and final revelation.

He was not sent by Yahweh of the Bible.

How can Yahweh send Yahshua the Messiah to bring a good news of peace, love for one another, love for enemies, forgiveness unto our offenders etc then all of a sudden send a warrior who preached the complete opposite, killed over 600 Jews, had sex with a 9yr old, performed no miracle, raided caravans etc? If he's truly the last seal, then we all have told discard Yahshua and his teachings to practice life the way Mohammad did. Anyone that doesn't such today is tagged a terrorist.

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You picked up some verses of the Quran to justify your claims without telling us when was the verse revealed? Why was the verse revealed? Those are specific verse with a specific ruling and can in no way be applied to general situations. The command of the verse waere only to be applied in the event of a battle. So I challenge you to provide the context of the verses and on what situation they were revealed.

Have you tried to say this same thing to those imams, sheiks and Islamic scholars who use those verses to promote war on infidels right inside their mosque? Do you know more than them?

FriendChoice:


Say, "O disbelievers,I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. [size=20] For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." [/size] ( Chapter 109)

The same man acting like he can tolerate other religions is the same man who made/got the same "revelation" below.



Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

He was tolerant when he was in the minority. But the moment he attained majority status with his Islamic hoard, he unleashed terror on the pagans of mecca, Jews and Christians.

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[size=16] "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; [/size][size=20] and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge." [/size] [size=16] [Al-Qur'an 9:6] [/size]

The above verse still doesn't show tolerance cos the only reason why asylum is granted to a pagan is to lure him to Islam.
Asylum ought to be granted for the sake of it alone. Now imagine Europe only granting asylum to the Syrian refugees on thegrounds that they get preached to concerning christianity. Do you think the islam world would allowed that?

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But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don't just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur'an to promote peace in the world.

What place of security? Their own land which is about to be islamized?

FriendChoice:


Now who is a true Muslim? The one who read and understand the Qur'an or the one who quote a verses out of context that is revealed in a particular situation to generalize his actions. You think the wat the terrorist do, cuz' u quote the verses out of context without it explanation. [/b]

pls explain that to the imams, the sheik and Islamic scholars who motivate jihadists right inside of mosques worldwide.

Allah is not the Yahweh of the Bible.

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" Now [size=20]kill all the boys [/size] [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, [size=20] but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. [/size] (Numbers 31:17-18) "

Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals! Deuteronomy 20:16


1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

Can you now see how cunning you are? Your posts claim that Yahweh who supported the above killings is the same as Allah, yet you are fast to pull these verses to denigrate Him.

Mind you, those actions were prescribed for the NATION of Israel and NOT for Christians. The incidence that preceded those acts are well documented in the Bible and they show the transgression of those nations against Israel. It's the same way Nigeria will go to war with any nation that goes against it.

But you Quran doesn't document events preceding the killing of others.

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"Do not suppose that I have come to bring [size=20]peace [/size] to the earth. [size=20] I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. [/size]

the above verse was spoken by Yahshua. If you read further, you will realise that he was talking of division and not a literal sword cos he said he had come to divide father from son, daughter from mother etc. How is that possible? Imagine a man's son decides to live by Yahshua's teachings of being honest and his family mistakenly or intentionally killed their maid. Let's say the family wants to cover it up but the son sees it as wrong and decides that he will report to the police, a thing that can send the family to jail. Do you think the rest of the family will be happy with him (that's if they are not true Christians)?

imagine you discover a fraud in your company involving a too executive and you report it to the head in charge cos you are an honest person. Do you think that top executive will like you henceforth

Now that is the division Yahshua was talking about, not a literal sword.

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The Muslims believe the Prophets were sinless and pure. It doesn't means they were divine The Holy Quran validates the Prophets of God by denying the falsehood
of the Bible. The Old Testament degrades the Prophets of God and vilifies them. We don’t believe the Biblical stories of moral depravity; the Holy Prophets never caused any evil.

But unfortunately, the New Testament has distorted the pure image of Jesus. Christians boast that Jesus was sinless and pure, yet the Bible teaches the exact opposite.

Jesus was adopted into a cursed lineage; he was baptized to remove the sins. Christians believe the exact opposite of the New Testament.

Let us quote the passage:

John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. (Mark 1:4)

[size=20] Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. [/size] But John tried to deter him, saying, [size=20] "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." [/size] Then John consented (Matthew 3:13-15)

Stop swallowing the lies your imams tell you.

You said Christ wasn't sinless but your Quran also affirms his sinless nature and existence.


as for John the Baptist. If Christ was a sinner, how come John the Baptist said-

"I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?"

Why would he want a sinner to baptise him?

Christ allowed John to baptise him cos Yahshua is the author and finisher of our faith Christianity. He wanted his followers to see that the path towards salvation is by doing the things he did.

I don't have the time to be replying you. Choose to believe or choose to be deaf and dumb.

All What you said has been answered in the previous post, but you ignored it. I said point out when and on which situation the verses you claim teaches violence are revealed.

I found it only interesting to reply your first statement.

You don't know the meaning of Muslim and you don't want to find out.

A Muslim is a person who submit his will to God through the teachings of his prophet of the time.



Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, [size=20] a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. [/size] And he was not of the polytheists.


I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because [size=20] I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me[/size]

He seek the will of Almighty God that sent him, confirming to you He was, is and ever a Muslim.


Going a little farther, [size=20] he threw himself down with his face to the ground and prayed, [/size] "My Father, if possible, let this cup pass from me! Yet [size=20]not what I will, [/size] [size=20] but what you will." [/size] Mathew 25:39

This confirms he prayed and also submit his will to God Almighty being a Muslim



"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face , and were sore afraid." - New Testament
(Matthew 17:6)

"And Abram fell on his face : and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3)


"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. " - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34:


And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. [size=20] And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: [/size] and [size=30] they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground [/size] . - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6)


At last I found it insulting that you lied to Me without any shame when its there up what I wrote that All prophet including Jesus are Ma'asum but new testament says Jesus is otherwise. He was baptized.



All other things you write have been answered. I found it needles to engage in base less argument.


You're still a kid in Christianity. Go back and learn Bible And stop denying what is in the Bible just because you don't know it exist. A typical brainwashed Christian caged to what pastor says not what Bible says


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Jakallahu khairan my brother and good friend. Oya 4evergod and the rest come and defend your religion of love.

NB: no lies are allowed

Ameen. I wish You same. Jazakallahu Khairan.

FriendChoice:
I don't have the time to be replying you. Choose to believe or choose to be deaf and dumb.

All What you said has been answered in the previous post, but you ignored it. I said point out when and on which situation the verses you claim teaches violence are revealed.

I found it only interesting to reply your first statement.

You don't know the meaning of Muslim and you don't want to find out.

A Muslim is a person who submit his will to God through the teachings of his prophet of the time.



Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, [size=20] a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. [/size] And he was not of the polytheists.


I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because [size=20] I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me[/size]

He seek the will of Almighty God that sent him, confirming to you He was, is and ever a Muslim.


Going a little farther, [size=20] he threw himself down with his face to the ground and prayed, [/size] "My Father, if possible, let this cup pass from me! Yet [size=20]not what I will, [/size] [size=20] but what you will." [/size] Mathew 25:39

This confirms he prayed and also submit his will to God Almighty being a Muslim



"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face , and were sore afraid." - New Testament
(Matthew 17:6)

"And Abram fell on his face : and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3)


"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. " - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34:


And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. [size=20] And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: [/size] and [size=30] they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground [/size] . - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6)

Pls, answer these questions

1. is Yahweh of the Bible the same as Allah of the quran?

1b. if yes, Why did Yahweh change His Holy name to Allah?

2. if submitting to God means you are a Muslim, then was it an Islamic religion the people of old before Mohammad practiced?

3. If yes, how come nobody called himself a Muslim among the people of old until Mohammad came with Islam?

kindly answer those questions and don't shy away

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At last I found it insulting that you lied to Me without any shame when its there up what I wrote that All prophet including Jesus are Ma'asum but new testament says Jesus is otherwise. He was baptized.

I don't understand you? What is ma'asum? I don't know what you are talking about, but what I do know is that Yahshua was sinless. The Bible records that, likewise the plagiarist Quran. OK, what sin did he commit? Mind you, we all know Mohammad's atrocities.

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All other things you write have been answered. I found it needles to engage in base less argument.

What answer? The type that rubbishes the Bible but still looks for ways to approve of Islam in it?

Ask yoyrself:why aren't Christians killing in the name of Yahshua?

Mohammad is acclaimed as the best of mankind worthy of emulation by those seeking to enter paradise. Therefore, his killing attributes should be emulated by Muslims who are to see him as a role model.

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You're still a kid in Christianity. Go back and learn Bible And stop denying what is in the Bible just because you don't know it exist. A typical brainwashed Christian caged to what pastor says not what Bible says


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am a kid in Christianity and will always be cos i learn everyday.

FriendChoice:
I don't have the time to be replying you. Choose to believe or choose to be deaf and dumb.

All What you said has been answered in the previous post, but you ignored it. I said point out when and on which situation the verses you claim teaches violence are revealed.

I found it only interesting to reply your first statement.

You don't know the meaning of Muslim and you don't want to find out.

A Muslim is a person who submit his will to God through the teachings of his prophet of the time.



Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, [size=20] a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. [/size] And he was not of the polytheists.


I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because [size=20] I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me[/size]

He seek the will of Almighty God that sent him, confirming to you He was, is and ever a Muslim.


Going a little farther, [size=20] he threw himself down with his face to the ground and prayed, [/size] "My Father, if possible, let this cup pass from me! Yet [size=20]not what I will, [/size] [size=20] but what you will." [/size] Mathew 25:39

This confirms he prayed and also submit his will to God Almighty being a Muslim



"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face , and were sore afraid." - New Testament
(Matthew 17:6)

"And Abram fell on his face : and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3)


"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. " - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34:


And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. [size=20] And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: [/size] and [size=30] they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground [/size] . - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6)


At last I found it insulting that you lied to Me without any shame when its there up what I wrote that All prophet including Jesus are Ma'asum but new testament says Jesus is otherwise. He was baptized.



All other things you write have been answered. I found it needles to engage in base less argument.


You're still a kid in Christianity. Go back and learn Bible And stop denying what is in the Bible just because you don't know it exist. A typical brainwashed Christian caged to what pastor says not what Bible says


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Very True bro.. I can see how untruthful this person is trying to be, by deliberately ignoring facts.

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Pls, answer these questions

1. is Yahweh of the Bible the same as Allah of the quran?

yes but excluding the contradicting Yahweh by paul n other bible authors.. if u truly studied the quran you will surely see how the quran highlighted most of the alteration, n corruption in d bible nd it correct the bible lies.

1b. if yes, Why did Yahweh change His Holy name to Allah?

Allah= in Arabic
Yahweh= in
Elohim= in Aramaic
God= English

"Yahweh" wasn't even the first thing GOD Almighty was addressed with in the Bible!
The meaning of name remain the same, (Almighty).

If you are relying on Exodus 3:15 to prove this then  I can go ahead and break it down for u that "Yahweh" in Exodus 3:15 was only a title and not a name, and it means "The LORD", "The GOD" and the "The Eternal"

Elohim: The first place a name of God is revealed is in the first chapter of Genesis.
Did you know that Elohim is Allah? .  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician. 

2. if submitting to God means you are a Muslim, then was it an Islamic religion the people of old before Mohammad practiced?

Yes absolutely.

3. If yes, how come nobody called himself a Muslim among the people of old until Mohammad came with Islam?

You are still asking the same question.
Muslim is a just title fr a person that submit to the creator.

Muslim=noun
Islam= verb

All prophets from Adam to Muhammad were sent with the same message: man's total submission to Allah. In Arabic, this submission is called "Islam," which also means peace, peace between the Creator and His creatures. Unlike the names Judaism and Christianity, the name Islam was given by Allah Himself, as mentioned in Qur’an

5:3: This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed My favor on you, and have chosen for you Islam as your way of life.

Neither "Judaism" nor "Christianity" is found in the Bible or in a Bible dictionary. No Israelite prophet said the word "Judaism." Jesus never claimed to establish Christianity and never called himself a Christian. The word "Christian" is mentioned only three times in the New Testament and first by pagans and Jews in Antioch about 43 A.D., long after Jesus had left this earth which is even like a mockery to christians.

The first Muslim on earth was not Muhammad but Abraham, who submitted totally to Allah. But Islam as a faith had been revealed to other prophets prior to Abraham, such as Adam and Noah. Then Islam follows as the faith for all humanity.

* Now help us answer dis
> what's d meaning of christianity?
> did jesus ever mention about christianity?
> pls show us where christianity was mentioned in the bible
> the people b4 jesus were they also called christians?

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Pls, answer these questions

1. is Yahweh of the Bible the same as Allah of the quran?

1b. if yes, Why did Yahweh change His Holy name to Allah?


kindly answer those questions and don't shy away

Now you asked a question.



Fist you need to understand Jesus peace be upon him is a Muslim and Allah reveal the Ingeel (Bible) in true form before its distorted.

Or do they envy mankind for what Allah hath given them of his bounty? but We had already given the people of Abraham the Book and Wisdom, and
conferred upon them a great kingdom. (Quran 4:54)

….and to David We gave the Psalms (Quran 4:163)

And in their footsteps [size=20]We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: [/size] therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. (Quran 5:46)

can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… [size=20] Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- [/size] Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (Quran 2:75,79)


And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; [size=20] but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some
miserable gain! [/size] And vile was the bargain they made! (Quran 3:187)

This shows you Allah was the original author of Bible, but todays Bible comprises the word of Historians, Prophets word and some part of God words. Also it has concocted, fabricated, and interpolated words.






Coming to your question, the Hebrew name of God is "Eloi" Why did Jesus sacrifice Hebrew and spoke the Aramaic "Eloi" despite the fact that the people around him were Jewish and spoke Hebrew? Because Jesus peace be upon him knew that GOD Almighty's Holy Name is Allah, and Eloi (my GOD) is derived from it. But this is by the way, it's not the argument of the time.

[b] What is the meaning of Allah? It's an Arabic word which means God. Go and ask Arab Christians what is God in Arabic. The Quran is revealed in Arabic. Must you see Yehwa a Hebrew language in Arabic?


The Eternal, Yahweh or Jehovah, means "Al-Samad" in Arabic. Allah Almighty called Himself "Al-Samad" in the Noble Quran (Noble Verse 112:2)


It is important to know that "Yahweh" is not an Arabic word. Just like "The LORD" is also not Arabic either. The proper translation for "Yahweh" in the Arabic Bible should've been "Al-Samad" for "The Eternal", or "Al- Rab" for "The LORD", depending on which word they wish to choose, since Yahweh means both.

So them inserting the word "Yahweh" in the Arabic Bible is stupid and self-contradicting, because if you choose to call GOD Almighty "Yahweh" in Arabic and force the Hebrew word into Arabic, then you can't call Him "Allah" at the same time! Calling GOD Almighty "Al-Samad" or "Al-Rab" for Yahweh would've been a different thing and contradiction-free.


ANSWER: The God that creates Adam and all prophets after him peace be upon them is the same God that revealed all the Scriptures given to his messengers including the Book given to Jesus Pbum in true form Not the corrupted book of today. (But some part of it might still be correct] [/b]

2. if submitting to God means you are a Muslim, then was it an Islamic religion the people of old before Mohammad practiced?

There religion is Islam based on the teachings of that prophet. But letter after those prophet depart, their people distorted the teachings, some started idol worshiping and like Christians started worshiping Jesus Pbum.


[size=20] Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ [/size] except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.


So if they argue with you, say, "I have submitted myself to Allah [in Islam], and [so have] those who follow me." And say to those who were given the Scripture and [to] the unlearned, "Have you submitted yourselves?" And if they submit [in Islam], they are rightly guided; but if they turn away - then upon you is only the [duty of] notification. And Allah is Seeing of [His] servants.[Quran 3: 19-20]

3. If yes, how come nobody called himself a Muslim among the people of old until Mohammad came with Islam?

I indicated to you that A Muslim is a person who submit his will to God. Abraham and all prophets and their true followers submit their wills to God including Jesus Pbum the son of Mary.

Muslim is an Arabic word. DO THEY SPEAK ARABIC OR ARE THEIR SCRIPTURES REVEALED IN ARABIC.

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, [size=20] a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. [/size] And he was not of the polytheists.


I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because [size=20] I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me[/size]

I don't understand you? What is ma'asum? I don't know what you are talking about, but what I do know is that Yahshua was sinless. The Bible records that, likewise the plagiarist Quran. OK, what sin did he commit? Mind you, we all know Mohammad's atrocities.

Ma'asum means sinless. All prophets of God are Ma'asum not only Jesus. it's the corrupted Bible says he has sins and hence baptised. Mary was also sinless.

God making you ma'asum doesn't make you God


And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life.

And Jesus said to him, [size=20] Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. [/size]

What answer? The type that rubbishes the Bible but still looks for ways to approve of Islam in it?

If you want I will only use Quran for you and it will be easier and straight forward. I am only quoting Bible for you cux that what you believe.

If the Quran was plagiarized, then show me prophet saluhu in the Bible? There are scientific errors in the Bible and prove to be correct in Quran. Mark you when Quran was revealed 1400+ years ago, those scientific research are yet to be present. That means when Muslims are plagiarizing Bible they correct those scientific errors that are yet to come. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was not a scientist how come he predict the science to come. Prophet Muhammadu (SaW) cannot read neither write. So what are you saying. Mark you the Quran wasn't the Book of science but book of signs.

Ask yoyrself:why aren't Christians killing in the name of Yahshua?

Mohammad is acclaimed as the best of mankind worthy of emulation by those seeking to enter paradise. Therefore, his killing attributes should be emulated by Muslims who are to see him as a role model.

Needless to repeat this. I have challenge you to show me when was that verses revealed and on which situation? You could not. I sighted to you what the Quran says: If you kill one innocent person is as if you kill all mankind. Go back and read the full post again. I Cannot write it again.

am a kid in Christianity and will always be cos i learn everyday.

I wish if you learn the truth, you will accept it.

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"Do not suppose that I have come to bring [size=20]peace [/size] to the earth. [size=20] I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. [/size]


[s] the above verse was spoken by Yahshua. If you read further, you will realise that he was talking of division and not a literal sword cos he said he had come to divide father from son, daughter from mother etc. How is that possible? Imagine a man's son decides to live by Yahshua's teachings of being honest and his family mistakenly or intentionally killed their maid. Let's say the family wants to cover it up but the son sees it as wrong and decides that he will report to the police, a thing that can send the family to jail. Do you think the rest of the family will be happy with him (that's if they are not true Christians)?

imagine you discover a fraud in your company involving a too executive and you report it to the head in charge cos you are an honest person. Do you think that top executive will like you henceforth

Now that is the division Yahshua was talking about, not a literal sword. [/s]

Deceive yourself with story than what really the verses is addressing.

[size=20] "Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35) [/size]


The Bible said not only Jesus will bring sword but also cause internal fight within a family and even extended to mother in law. Instead of him to unite and unified people, he will bring division.



[size=20] “I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27) [/size]