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| Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:06pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
The catholic church claims that Peter was the first pope. How true is this claim? Find out in the link below: www.behindthebadge.net/apologetics/discuss129.html 1 Like |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by purem(m): 7:10pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
1st to comment |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by menxer: 7:40pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
This is one long read. Be ready for the name calling. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by orisa37: 8:42pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
Yes. St. James was also a Pope in Alexandria 1 Like |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:03pm On Jan 06, 2017 |
orisa37: Are you sure? Have you read the article in the link I provided? |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 12:40am On Jan 07, 2017 |
Peter does not describe himself as being a high and mighty Pope, with authority over the entire Church. Rather, Peter calls himself "a servant". (2 Peter 1:1) He refers to himself as a fellow "elder". (1 Peter 5:1) Rather than claiming special authority for himself, Peter says that all believers are a "royal priesthood". (1 Peter 2:9) He tells Christian leaders that they are not to lord it over other Christians and they are not to covet riches ("filthy lucre" ). (1 Peter 5:2-3) "The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:1-3) 2 Likes |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 12:47am On Jan 07, 2017 |
"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light" (1 Peter 2:9) In the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John confirms Peter's statement that all true believers are priests. (Revelation 1:5-6; 5:9-10; 20:6) (Catholic Bibles refer to the Book of Revelation as "The Apocalypse".) How does Peter, as portrayed in the Bible, compare with the Pope, who sits on a throne, and is carried on the shoulders of men, seated on a litter like an oriental king? As head of the Catholic Church, the Pope controls immense wealth, with widespread investments around the world. The wealth of the Vatican is amazing. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by orisa37: 7:48am On Jan 07, 2017 |
I'm sure. However, some twisting are developing in Christendom. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Nobody: 8:37am On Jan 07, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:The testimony of all the early Christians from Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Constantinople, Carthage etc says Peter was the first bishop of Rome. So I really don't care what the founder of the SDA made up in 19th century America. 1 Like |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Ranchhoddas: 8:40am On Jan 07, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:I can see you are unreasonably very anti-catholic. When exactly has the pope claimed to be high and mighty and what in your opinion should be done with the immense wealth the vatican possesses? |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:09am On Jan 07, 2017 |
orisa37:No, the pope in alexandria was st mark the evangelist not st james. 1 Like |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:11am On Jan 07, 2017 |
Papist:Seconded 2 Likes |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:45pm On Jan 07, 2017 |
Papist: LOL. Testimony of which early Christians? When was Peter the Bishop of Rome? When? The site article in the link I provided was written by an ex-nun. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:47pm On Jan 07, 2017 |
Ranchhoddas, follow the link below to see all the quotes which the pope has made claiming to be high and mighty: [url]remnantofgod.org/beastword.htm[/url] |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:49pm On Jan 07, 2017 |
Catholic theologians claim that Jesus built the Christian Church on the Apostle Peter. They base this on Matthew 16:18, where Jesus tells Peter, "And I say unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." A huge doctrine with immense historical consequences has been built upon one short verse. The question is, does the rock on which the church is built represent Peter or does it represent Jesus? Peter himself answers this question when he says that Jesus is a living stone. (1 Peter 2:4) (This is a Messianic prophecy which Peter quotes from Isaiah 28:16.) The Apostle Paul says that Jesus Christ is our spiritual Rock. (1 Corinthians 10:4) In Romans 9:31-33, Paul says that Jesus was a rock of offense for the Israelites who were trying to be saved by works of the law instead of by faith. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:51pm On Jan 07, 2017 |
In the New Testament there are three words for "stone". "Lithos" means a stone like a mill stone or a stumbling stone. The other two words are "petra" and "petros". "Vine's Expository Dictionary" says that "petra" means "a mass of rock". It defines "petros" as "'a detached stone or boulder,' or a stone that might be thrown or easily moved." In Matthew 16:18, the word for Peter is "petros," a detached stone that can easily be moved. The word for the rock on which the church is built is "petra," a mass of rock. Other examples of the use of "petra" show what a huge mass of rock is meant by the word. They include the man who built his house on rock, as opposed to sand (Matthew 7:24-27) and the tomb where Jesus' body was put, which was carved out of a rock (Matthew 27:60). |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Jokerman(m): 10:06pm On Jan 07, 2017 |
Peter had a wife, how was he a pope...  1 Like |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 11:12am On Jan 08, 2017 |
Jokerman: LOL. Oya ask our Roman Bishops who they say they succeeded. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:59pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
Did Peter act like he was in charge of the early Church? In the Book of Acts, Paul describes a controversy over whether or not gentile converts to Christianity should be required to be circumcised and follow the Jewish dietary laws. Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to confer with the apostles about it. (Acts 15:2-4) Peter and other people spoke. (Acts 15:7-13) Following a period of silence, James (not Peter) made the final decision in the matter. He called it a "sentence". According to "Strong's Concordance" the word means a judicial sentence, a decree, or a judgment. "And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: ... Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." (Acts 15:13, 19-20) |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Grendel(m): 10:22pm On Jan 08, 2017 |
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| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 12:08pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
The Book of Acts is the history of the early Church up until a few years before Peter's death. It says nothing about Peter being in authority over the whole Church. It shows no connection between Peter and Rome. Acts 28:14-15 tells how Paul met with the "brethren" in Rome, but it makes no mention of Peter. As we shall see, when Paul met with Peter in Jerusalem, Peter was identified by name. Acts 2:14 and Acts 8:14 say that Peter was in Jerusalem. Acts 9:36-43 says that Peter went to Joppa, which is near Jerusalem. In chapter 10 of the Book of Acts, Peter is still in Joppa. Acts 11:2 says that Peter returned to Jerusalem. Joppa is about thirty miles from Jerusalem. If the Book of Acts records this much detail about Peter's visit to a nearby town, wouldn't it tell us if Peter went all the way to Rome? Particularly since it does tell us that Paul went to Rome. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 12:11pm On Jan 09, 2017 |
Acts 15:1-20 tells how Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to meet with Peter, James, and the other apostles. Galatians 1:18-19 says that Paul went to Jerusalem to visit Peter and James. The Book of Romans was written by the Apostle Paul "to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints". (Romans 1:7) In Romans 16:1-15, Paul greets 26 people by name. He never mentions Peter. If Peter was the leader of the Church in Rome, then why didn't Paul mention him? Paul wrote five letters from a Roman prison (Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, and Philemon). He never mentions Peter. The man who stuck with Paul to help him and encourage him in Rome was Luke -- not Peter. (Colossians 4:14; 2 Timothy 4:11) |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 12:27am On Jan 10, 2017 |
Paul only mentions Peter in one of his epistles. In Galatians 1:18-19 he says that he went to Jerusalem to see Peter and James. In Galatians 2:8 Paul says that he preached to the gentiles and Peter preached to the Jews (the "circumcision" ). In Galatians 2:11-21, Paul recounts how he publicly corrected and rebuked Peter because Peter became so intimidated by the Judaizers that he "walked not uprightly". Evidently Paul's public rebuke of Peter did not cause a problem between them. Peter loved and respected Paul as a brother, and exhorted the Church to heed Paul's wisdom. "Account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you" (2 Peter 3:15) 1 Like |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 5:41pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
LEGENDS AND TRADITIONS When I was in school, I was taught that, as a boy, George Washington chopped down a cherry tree and confessed his transgression to his father saying, "I cannot tell a lie". Parson Weems' biography of George Washington is the source of that story. According to modern historians, the cherry tree event never happened.I was quite surprised to hear that because I had never questioned the story. Articles on the Internet say that Parson Weems deliberately created the cherry tree legend some time between 1800 and 1809. But perhaps Parson Weems wasn't deliberately deceiving people. Perhaps he was simply passing on a story that he believed to be true. Either way, modern biographers of George Washington say that the cherry tree episode never really happened. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 10:16pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
When it is understood that the Roman Catholic church is the church headed by the Bishop of Rome(the Pope), it will not be hard to see why the catholic church continues to propagate the lie that Peter was the first Pope(Bishop of Rome). As a matter of fact, the church at Rome was simply one of the churches at the time of the apostles. No church had primacy over another then. The church as a whole, then, was simply guided by the apostles, with Jesus Christ as the Head. That was until the church began to fall from its position of purity, and the church at Rome committed whoredoms with pagan Roman empire. Eventually, a pagan Roman emperor declared the church of Rome the head of all the churches, and thus the Bishop of Rome, the only head of the church(imagine that). Due to the fact that they cannot answer the question "Who put the church of Rome in a position of primacy over the other churches?", the cooked up the myth that their Bishops succeeded Peter as the Bishop of Rome. LOL. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 10:20pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Now ask them when Peter was Bishop of Rome, they start stuttering or they'll produce some dubious "writings of the early fathers." That is in spite of the fact that the Acts of the Apostles covers the life of Peter up until a few years before his death, and mentions nothing of him going to Rome. Now, even if we assume that Peter was Bishop at Rome, Peter was simply an elder and not the head of the church(1 Pet. 5:1), and so why should succeeding Bishops of Rome claim to be the head of the church? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 4:56pm On Jan 27, 2017 |
Nope, Peter was never a Pope. Peter surely knew better than to transgress GOD's commandment by assuming the title of a spiritual father over GOD's flock. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Splinz(m): 7:29pm On Jan 27, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: They love lies and deceits more than God's revealed word. All of these is as a result of placing traditions above Scriptures, thereby making the word of God of no effect. Yes, the title of “Peter” or “Pater” or “Patre” was a title of religious primacy that Simon Magus (the sorcerer and founder of the Catholic church) donned. Thus, he carried the title Simon “Peter.” The word “Pater” is of the same derivation as the word “Papa” or “Father” or “Pope.” So when they talk of 'a' Peter as their pope, simply know that they are talking of Simon Magus. 1 Like |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:30am On Jan 28, 2017 |
Jokerman:So u no know say catholic church had and have married and widowed priests plus the usual celibate priest. it seem u are a bit ignorant in the issue. |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:32am On Jan 28, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Did u miss the fact that the story of peter ended in act 11? |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by DoctorAlien(m): 11:01am On Jan 31, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: That does not mean that the book of Acts did not cover the history of the early church up until a few years before Peter's death. When was Peter the head of the whole church? When was Peter the Bishop of Rome? Who gave the church of Rome primacy over all the churches? 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Was Peter A Pope? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:47am On Feb 02, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:you would have known this if u had studied any historical sources. Peter was all around palestine in acts of d apostles, but paul tell us he also saw him in antioch in transit. And acts of the apostle tells us peter usually make d rounds in the churches. Guess the bible never tried to tell us everywhere peter went |
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