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Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by bawomolo(m): 1:38am On Nov 27, 2009 |
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates – Just a year after the global downturn derailed Dubai's explosive growth, the city is now so swamped in debt that it's asking for a six-month reprieve on paying its bills — causing a drop on world markets Thursday and raising questions about Dubai's reputation as a magnet for international investment. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091126/ap_on_bi_ge/ml_dubai_desperate_times;_ylt=AnlbgQt.GBKA.1OS4jxkMaX9xg8F;_ylu=X3oDMTNkNXFtZjJjBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTI2L21sX2R1YmFpX2Rlc3BlcmF0ZV90aW1lcwRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzQEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNkdWJhaXJlcXVlc3Q- hey lets build more dubai's |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by posakosa(m): 2:07am On Nov 27, 2009 |
In due time, it will pick up again ---- Im sure that they are not much in debt as the U.S. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by debosky(m): 2:12am On Nov 27, 2009 |
Dubai owes over $60bn - it might be in serious trouble if it defaults on it's loans. While people have wrongly implied that 'oil money' developed Dubai, we can now see that it was funded by massive borrowing. The long term prognosis for Dubai will be interesting - can it recover or will it go down as one of the most expensive bankruptcies? |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by puskin: 2:14am On Nov 27, 2009 |
So. . .what. Nigeria is in debt. S. Africa is in debt. Ghana is in debt. Egypt is in debt. Iraq is in debt. Afghanistan is in debt. Zimbabwe is in debt. America is in debt. Russia is in debt. The Asian tigers are all in debt. Most countries in Eastern Europe are in debt. Most South American countrìes, if not all are in debt. So Dubai being in debt. What's the biggie about that. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by PapaBrowne(m): 2:16am On Nov 27, 2009 |
And so is America. And so is much of Europe. And so is all the developed nations in the world. That tells you something: Debt is Good!!!! The bigger the debt, the better the society, as long as such debts are used to fuel development. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by bawomolo(m): 2:17am On Nov 27, 2009 |
posakosa: The size of the american economy is much larger and better leveraged than that of Dubai's. The US is begging for a six month grace period on it's debts. Dubai's GDP is about 45 billion dollars, it has total debts of 80 billion dollars. That is not sustainable. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by blackspade(m): 2:18am On Nov 27, 2009 |
Abu Dhabi can probably bail them out. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by Nobody: 2:19am On Nov 27, 2009 |
debosky: the season of open yansh as it has been stated, this has serious implications for charlie soludo and transforming anambra into dubai so under him - anambra could wind up like our banks - big noise, big rep and big debt |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by posakosa(m): 2:19am On Nov 27, 2009 |
I think its in debt due to all the various construction projects taking place and going on--- some of those projects have to be on hold. Dubai is also an expensive island to maintain--- Im more than certain Dubai will pick up again----- in due time. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by bawomolo(m): 2:20am On Nov 27, 2009 |
debosky: bros thanks for saving me. Dubai's GDP to debt ratio is atrocious and has to suspend some of its infrastructure project. Although Naija is stagnant or going backwards, we shouldn't move too fast by building Airports and buildings that would rack up debts for nothing. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by PapaBrowne(m): 2:20am On Nov 27, 2009 |
@bamowolo Dubai is a city. U.S is a country. Big Difference. You should think New York when you say Dubai. City, City. Comprende? |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by posakosa(m): 2:21am On Nov 27, 2009 |
bawomolo: For now. As many of the projects in Dubai are still under construction. It is sustainable---- because they are investing for the future and not for now. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by posakosa(m): 2:23am On Nov 27, 2009 |
bawomolo: Who says these development projects are for nothing ? Dubai is a fantasy Island---- some homes in the Island have gone under foreclosure but I am more than certain that things will pick up again. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by bawomolo(m): 2:26am On Nov 27, 2009 |
PapaBrowne: Do you know the meaning of a Default? the state of California is having a similar crisis. The lesson we should from a Dubai or even California is to have assets that back up our debts. debts is good until you face the risk of default. posakosa: It would pick up again but at what cost? the average dubai citizen carries a government debt load of $400,000. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by posakosa(m): 2:31am On Nov 27, 2009 |
bawomolo: Well--- it will be costly but it will certainly pick up. Dubai is a fantasy Island built for tourists. Im not certain if there are "average citizens" per se. Most workers there, travel from pakistan/neighbouring cities and countries--- most people who live there are mostly foreigners---- it will be fine. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by bawomolo(m): 2:36am On Nov 27, 2009 |
posakosa: ha if only world markets were this optimistic. We would see what happens in the upcoming months. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by PapaBrowne(m): 2:43am On Nov 27, 2009 |
bawomolo: You can never have assets enough to back up massive develomental projects running into gazillions. All the infrastructural development in the U.S was built on massive debts- NO COLLATERAL! A default is not so much of a bad thing as long as there is a rescheduling. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by AloyEmeka6: 2:44am On Nov 27, 2009 |
We need basic amenities in Nigeria even if it's at the expense of the Paris club. Who cares, after all, all the G8 nations are owing them. This idea of rushing to pay off our debts beats me. Obj would have used the $36Bn to provide these things and fund the interests from the oil dividends. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by posakosa(m): 2:45am On Nov 27, 2009 |
bawomolo: what happens to the markets is very cyclical--- you know. Up and down, and up and down---- I think currently, more of the problem now I think will be building trust again amongst the various investors needed to invest in the various projects---- I don't think that the market will be as strong in the upcoming months---maybe mid way of next year. Everyone is focused on building the green market economy--- esp. when it comes to construction projects--- which may be applicable to Dubai--- but im not even sure how strong or reliable the green market economy is or will be. But more importantly, Im sure things will pick up. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by puskin: 2:50am On Nov 27, 2009 |
Believe it or not. For a city like Dubai, the debt is a good one. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by bawomolo(m): 2:52am On Nov 27, 2009 |
PapaBrowne: and what if the Banks are unable to reschedule, what happens? continuous rescheduling of debt is indeed a bad thing. We all saw how well that philosophy worked for GM and co. Dubai World, and delay repayment on some of the company's $59bn (£36bn) of liabilities, sent ripples through financial markets, denting equities and riskier currencies. Sterling was one of those to suffer. It hit its weakest point in a month against the euro and a basket of currencies on worries about British banks' potential exposure to debt problems in Dubai. "There are concerns regarding the extent of the exposure of the UK banks to Dubai, hence sterling is coming under pressure," said Ian Stannard, currency strategist at BNP Paribas. Aloy~Emeka: FYI - Naija didn't pay $36bn, some of the debts were canceled using a debt relief program (Nigeria had to pay a portion and it was free). The Oil dividends are what's responsible for increased allocation and the recent CBN bank bailout. Debt cancellation has little to do with how inefficient the Nigerian government is. puskin: na wa o. sanusi needs to read some posts on nairaland. risking default is now a good thing |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by puskin: 3:10am On Nov 27, 2009 |
Risking default on a very good nd viable investment plan/process is alwayz a good thing. So, it is known in the Macro-economics world. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by posakosa(m): 3:12am On Nov 27, 2009 |
puskin: Defaulting on a loan is NOT a good thing oooh. |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by naijatoday: 3:31am On Nov 27, 2009 |
posakosa: I agree defaulting on a loan is not a good idea at all. It will increase the cost of insuring your debt. The action of Dubai of already affecting oil rich Abu Dhabi, Qatar and Saudi Arabia becasue the cost of insuring their debt has increased. Defaulting is only a good idea if you have the approval of debt holders who are willing to roll over the debt. In Dubai's case they do not [b]yet [/b]have an agreement |
Re: Hey Guys, The Dubai We Love So Much Is Deep In Debt by back2back(f): 9:28am On Nov 27, 2009 |
We need basic amenities in Nigeria even if it's at the expense of the Paris club. Who cares, after all, all the G8 nations are owing them. This idea of rushing to pay off our debts beats me. Obj would have used the $36Bn to provide these things and fund the interests from the oil dividends. Gbam! Gbosa!! Looking back, OBJ did that because he wanted 3rd time, same reason he signed-away the Bakasi penisula. Debt is not the problem, but what you do with the money you borrowed. If you incur debt to invest in value-adding activity, this will clean up your debt. Nigerians are blind to see how world-bank send us a Nigeria, all she did was 'enrich' same institutions that sent her as Minister to Nigeria! |
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