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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by pchukwudi: 1:44pm On Jan 24, 2017
Can you back this up with some verifiable credible stats? Or is it just what you think?

Igboid:


Criminalizing abortion does not stop abortion, it only increases criminal abortion rates, usually performed by quacks, that end up not just killing the baby, but killing the mother or predisposing her to infertility in the future.

Abortion is criminalized in Nigeria, yet the rate of criminal abortion and it's attendant complications is high in Nigeria, and it's the women, not the hypocritical men that bear the blunt of criminal abortion.
You are not saving any life by criminalizing abortion, you are only risking the life of the mother.
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by KevinDein: 1:47pm On Jan 24, 2017
Igboid:


Criminalizing abortion does not stop abortion, it only increases criminal abortion rates, usually performed by quacks, that end up not just killing the baby, but killing the mother or predisposing her to infertility in the future.

Abortion is criminalized in Nigeria, yet the rate of criminal abortion and it's attendant complications is high in Nigeria, and it's the women, not the hypocritical men that bear the blunt of criminal abortion.
You are not saving any life by criminalizing abortion, you are only risking the life of the mother.
illegalization of hard drugs hasn't stopped illegal drug peddling either but that still isn't enough reason to legalize it.

You are so bothered about the well being of the woman you don't give a fuuuckk about the innocent baby.
Someone's gotta fight for these babies too. Get used to that.

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Igboid: 1:48pm On Jan 24, 2017
pchukwudi:
Can you back this up with some verifiable credible stats? Or is it just what you think?


http://m.scidev.net/global/systems/news/abortion-rates-highest-developing-world.html

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Igboid: 1:49pm On Jan 24, 2017
KevinDein:
illegalization of hard drugs hasn't stopped illegal drug peddling either but that still isn't enough reason to legalize it.

You are so bothered about the well being of the woman you don't give a fuuuckk about the innocent baby.
Someone's gotta fight for these babies too. Get used to that.

Seriously? You are going to compare Abortion to drug abuse? cry

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by lovat(m): 1:52pm On Jan 24, 2017
prettythicksme:
angry angry Is like ur head is paining u?mumu boy.
Are you a muslim

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by KevinDein: 1:52pm On Jan 24, 2017
Igboid:


Seriously? You are going to compare Abortion to drug abuse? cry
you obviously don't see the babies in these women wombs as living beings worthy of life. I've been wasting my time all this while.

Enjoy your day, man.

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Pascal181: 1:55pm On Jan 24, 2017
Good one, next shld be Obama healthcare
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Igboid: 1:57pm On Jan 24, 2017
KevinDein:
you obviously don't see the babies in these women wombs as living beings worthy of life. I've been wasting my time all this while.

Enjoy your day, man.

You obviously don't know what these young women who are victims of criminal abortions go through,or what they have to forfeit in life to take care of an unwanted child, I do.
And I believe they deserve the option of standard medical gestation termination, the option to have their life back or to sacrifice it for the welfare of a baby.

Your interest is on the baby, mine is on the mother, she should have all the options available and open to her, after all her future and Her life is at stake.
I would not have hypocritical men take any of those options away from her, since they are not going to be the ones to bear the blunt of the final outcome of such options.

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by 2n2k(m): 2:01pm On Jan 24, 2017
Osyabj:
Most of these posters know nothing about d US. Trump CANNOT singlehandedly stop abortion in d US. Roe V Wade is carved in stone in d US law and it requires d US Supreme Court to overturn it.

All these men in Nigeria trying to tell a woman what to do with her body are stone age men.

Trump d sexist, racist bigot will never stop abortion in the US.

Dont mind the ignorant people making comments here.

First, the thing is not a law but a presidential policy referred to as Mexican city policy

Secondly, since it was introduced by Reagan in 1985, democrats presidents had always repealed it while the republican presidents had traditionally re-instate it. Thus it was repealed by Clinton in 1993, bush reinstated it in 2001, obama repealed it in 2009 and trump has now reinstated it.

US laws have always and still ban direct funding of abortion even during the time that the Mexican-city policy was repealed. The effect of the policy is that international NGOs that have abortion as part of its activities cannot access funding by USAID even for their other activities but during the tenure of democrats when the policy was suspended, such NGOs could access government funding but must only be used for non-abortion activities.

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by pchukwudi: 2:01pm On Jan 24, 2017
Sorry, that study is not credible because it was not an idependent study but a stuff sponsored by pro-right/choice affiliate group. But even if we decide to accept it as credible it still won't fly.

Here's a quote from the report:

The evidence indicates that access to good healthcare and modern contraception are the most important factors in reducing abortion rates, says Gilda Sedgh, the study’s lead author and a researcher at the Guttmacher Institute, a US organisation that aims to advance sexual and reproductive rights.

Two things at stake here.

1. Acess to better healthcare and contraceptives (NOT legalization of abortion) reduce the rate of abortion in the developed countries.

2. Criminalization of abortion kept the rate of abortion static (DID NOT INCREASE IT) in the developing countries where there is little or no access to good healrhcare and enough education /awareness on contraception.


So can you give me a better source.

Igboid:


http://m.scidev.net/global/systems/news/abortion-rates-highest-developing-world.html

Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Igboid: 2:07pm On Jan 24, 2017
pchukwudi:
Sorry, that study is not credible because it was not an idependent study but a stuff sponsored by pro-right/choice affiliate group. But even if we decide to accept it as credible it still won't fly.

Here's a quote from the report:



Two things at stake here.

1. Acess to better healthcare and contraceptives (NOT legalization of abortion) reduce the rate of abortion in the developed countries.

2. Criminalization of abortion kept the rate of abortion static (DID NOT INCREASE IT) in the developing countries where there is little or no access to good healrh care and enough education /awareness of effective contraceptives.


So can you give me a better source.


Yet you failed to mention the part, where it was stated that Abortion rate had declined in developed countries from 35 in 1000 to 25 in 1000, ie less than those of the developing country that remained static at 37 in 1000, so obviously, legalizing abortion doesn't increase abortion rate, it only decreases maternal mortality rate, by enabling the mothers to have access to quality abortion health care.

See this quote too:
“The obvious interpretation is that criminalising abortion does not prevent it, but rather drives women to seek illegal services or methods.”

Diana Greene Foster, University of California
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by peacemara54(m): 2:09pm On Jan 24, 2017
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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Osyabj: 2:10pm On Jan 24, 2017
KevinDein:
Trump and Nigerian men are such bad people. Why will they stop the murdering of innocent babies. Bad man, Trump.

Anuofia, until a fetus is delivered as a live birth it is Not a baby. No force can reverse d woman's right to her body & her reproductive choices. And NO MAN should have a say on what any woman does with her body. If don't like it. Go back to stone age where u belong.
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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by onemmanuel(m): 2:13pm On Jan 24, 2017
Donald Trump is the president of Nigeria
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Igboid: 2:14pm On Jan 24, 2017
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by opribo(m): 2:17pm On Jan 24, 2017
If only he will remain focussed and dont allow power to get into his head as the years go by. He will be a president to remember.
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by onegig(m): 2:17pm On Jan 24, 2017
The ignorance on this thread is pretty alarming.

You ask questions before just jumping into a talk. If you don't have an idea about something. Fucking keep shut.

He is defunding planned parenthood and other alied charities that are focused on reproductive health services for men, women and children.

If you don't have an idea, that's like defunding USAID and Society for family health. Forget the abortion word. 97% of funds coming for planned parenthood are used in testing people free of charge or at a subsidised amount for STDs, counselling and helping rape victims.

Also they do offer contraceptove materials like condoms, female birth prevention pills and a whole lott more than just having a safe space for people who want abortion.

What this means in essence that millions that need these services are cut off from it. Imagine a teenager who was raped. They are much more comfortable going to planned parenthood because they are well protected and don't need to pay anything to be treated instead of the other way round where they are asked to present their parents id before they can be treated and most times the costs are prohibitive so most just keep shut and never seek help. Also most can't bare such stigma of their families knowing about their ordeals and you just closed the door of them seeking help.


If anything Trump and his minnions here are no different from religious bigots who force their own belief systems on others just because they don't understand the basics of something.

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by mikeweezy(m): 2:17pm On Jan 24, 2017
[quote author=tuoyoojo post=53085048]he said it during campaign and now he is doing it


unlike someone who is chilling in London now.. dnt mind that idiot cow brain
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by femliany(m): 2:25pm On Jan 24, 2017
Here in Nija after spending 4months in office, the next is to be thinking about the next 4years....
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Osyabj: 2:26pm On Jan 24, 2017
pchukwudi:
Trump will appoint a pro-life, anti-abortion supreme court judge. So chill. grin


Even if d US where to return to pre-Roe v Wade era of state by state abortion laws, d liberal states of Ca, NY, & scores of others, will NEVER EVER outlaw d woman's RIGHT to choose what to do with her BODY. NOT HIS BODY. So get that thru your MALE SKULL!!!
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by pchukwudi: 2:27pm On Jan 24, 2017
Bros, you know better than this back and forth.

USA: 25 in 1000 ( inspite of the easy access to MASSIVE healtcare and contraception), this usually translates to:

In the USA, where nearly half of pregnancies are unintended and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion [1] , there are over 3,000 abortions per day. Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies in the USA (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion. [2]

http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

No wonder the CDC has not released any new data on abortion rate since 2013.

Now compare that to the UNVERIFIABLE claim (due to unavailability of data), of 37 in 1000 for the developing coutries (WITHOUT good healthcare and contraception).

Fact: Criminalize abortion, enforce the law, and provide adequate healrhcare facilities and effective contraception, and you will see abortion rate crash like a pack of sand.


Igboid:


Yet you failed to mention the part, where it was stated that Abortion rate had declined in developed countries from to 25 in 1000, ie less than those of the developing country that remained static at 37 in 1000, so obviously, legalizing abortion doesn't increase abortion rate, it only decreases maternal mortality rate, by enabling the mothers to have access to quality abortion health care.

See this quote too:
“The obvious interpretation is that criminalising abortion does not prevent it, but rather drives women to seek illegal services or methods.”

Diana Greene Foster, University of California
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Igboid: 2:37pm On Jan 24, 2017
pchukwudi:
Bros, you know better than this back and forth.

USA: 25 in 1000 ( inspite of the easy access to MASSIVE healtcare and contraception), this usually translates to:



http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

No wonder the CDC has not released any new data on abortion rate since 2013.

Now compare that to the UNVERIFIABLE claim (due to unavailability of data), of 37 in 1000 for the developing coutries (WITHOUT good healthcare and contraception).

Fact: Criminalize abortion, enforce the law, and provide adequate healrhcare facilities and effective contraception, and you will see abortion rate crash like a pack of sand.

References and useful links:



Abortion data in Africa is under reported due to the criminal nature and poor data keeping of the whole thing.

This is what we know:

“We now have a global picture of induced abortion in the world, covering both countries where it is legal and countries where laws are very restrictive,” Dr. Paul Van Look, director of the W.H.O. Department of Reproductive Health and Research, said in a telephone interview. “What we see is that the law does not influence a woman’s decision to have an abortion. If there’s an unplanned pregnancy, it does not matter if the law is restrictive or liberal.”

With legalized abortion, this is what we get:

"Some countries, like South Africa, have undergone substantial transitions in abortion laws in that time. The procedure was made legal in South Africa in 1996, leading to a 90 percent decrease in mortality among women who had abortions, some studies have found.

Abortion is illegal in most of Africa, though. It is the second-leading cause of death among women admitted to hospitals in Ethiopia, its Health Ministry has said. It is the cause of 13 percent of maternal deaths at hospitals in Nigeria, recent studies have found".

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by TheVictorious(m): 2:45pm On Jan 24, 2017
Osyabj:
Most of these posters know nothing about d US. Trump CANNOT singlehandedly stop abortion in d US. Roe V Wade is carved in stone in d US law and it requires d US Supreme Court to overturn it.

All these men in Nigeria trying to tell a woman what to do with her body are stone age men.

Trump d sexist, racist bigot will never stop abortion in the US.

Shut up, the law does not recognize the unborn child as your body. It is an individual entity that has the right to life!
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by chiraqDemon(m): 3:03pm On Jan 24, 2017
Its around October that i recognised that trump is the best man for the US
Fvck all that talk about racism and sexism
That guy just says things as they are nd does not care whose toes he steps on in the process and i think also he will do things that he sees are right
Afterall u cannot please everybody
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But on the othwr hand, e good e nor good i never chop since morning, how will trump in US help me

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by freshcvvs: 3:04pm On Jan 24, 2017
thepeople2020:
Within just 2 days he's already fulfilling his campaign promises while the idiot took 6 months to just elect worthless ministers,two years gone till now no single campaign promise fulfilled.

Yet prays to grow old.
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by freshcvvs: 3:04pm On Jan 24, 2017
Youngdream1:
This is a man that knows what he is doing. No bo that mumu president called Buhari.

I guess you address grown ups in your home this way too?
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Lilimax(f): 3:10pm On Jan 24, 2017
Trump my man, ride on sir! grin
Haters can go to blazes embarassed

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Preciousseed(m): 3:15pm On Jan 24, 2017
It is rather better to be proactive than to reactive. what do I mean? If you must have a willing less when you do not want a baby, what stops you from using contraceptives? On the other hand of rape victims, instead of aborting the baby due to the negative feelings that may come with it, that is where attitude makes a great deal. There is always a greener side in every leaf, so the attitude matter. I really don't see any reason what soever why abortion should be legalized in any form, irrespective of the cause of the pregnancy. Even if you were raped and you don't want to keep the baby, there are motherless babies home and other such bodies.
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Radiohead6(f): 3:15pm On Jan 24, 2017
DuBLINGreenb:
Prayer that overturned the prophecy
I don't think prayers are involved here. they should have full right to kill their babies if they want to, that's what the whole land of the free stands for
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Missy89(f): 3:16pm On Jan 24, 2017
There is nothing special here. Every republican president usually do this. The bill won't allow American NGOs that take money from the treasury to use it to fund abortion abroad. Thats about it. He did not revoke US pro abortion law!


Too much ignorance going on here. Smh

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Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Nobody: 3:19pm On Jan 24, 2017
lilmax:
the real president, he should make America sane again cool.....hillary should take notes, you can't win being all nice and fake grin

Fake never wins, man grin
Re: Donald Trump Revokes U.S Pro-Abortion Law by Nobody: 3:22pm On Jan 24, 2017
Silentscreamer:
i hope he doesn't turn out to be a dictator

Calm down, sweetie. It's impossible for one to become a dictator in a confederation. Trump is just a hard-nosed conservative with zero chill for political correctness.

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