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Forcefully Taken Land From White Minority In South Africa Is Dangerous - Trump / America Is Finished - Babylon Is Fallen / Grace Mugabe Claims She Beat Up South Africa Model To Protect Herself (2) (3) (4)
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 10:41am On Feb 17, 2017|
I can give you some valid insight into why?
1. The geography of the place was modified by nature and therefore is naturally beautiful. Therefore the insinuation that somehow it is beautiful because you are there is conjecture.
2. Africans in general including your Bantu ancestors "run" to that place because the topography is beautiful. Do you know of any human being who doesn't like a beautiful thing. It is unfortunate or rather "fortunate" that you made it there before others.
3.The fully developed democratic systems that operate within the country are an inheritance of the administrative qualities of colonial and settler populations that persisted in the region much longer than most other African nations therefore it would be fair to say, most of the "Africans" were not "directly" involved in the maturity of democracy up until say the late 20th century. It would therefore be a presumptious statement on your part since we cannot compare apples with apples in the peculiar case of South African history as compared to more similar histories of most other African states.
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by Nobody: 11:06am On Feb 17, 2017|
morpheus24:I don't think you have to know me for you to trust me
If SA is not the best country in Africa then tell me which one is...Egypt?,Your country Nigeria?Morocco?...what so attractive about those countries if I may ask?
Don't see through the lens of a jealous average nigerian please.ACCEPT FACTS AND MOVE ON
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by Nobody: 12:28pm On Feb 17, 2017|
morpheus24:you strayed away from the real issue here
We all know SA is naturally beautiful but that isn't really why africans seek refuge here.the real issues here are economic,political hardships their respective countries find themselves in,they escape civil wars,hunger,deadly diseases(malaria,ebola,aids,cholera,etc) etc.
So I don't think SA is a "hell hole" as some people who enjoy bashing South Africa and its citizens would say
morpheus24:you are being denial but it's okay, I won't put pressure on you
My ancestors didn't risk crocodile infested rivers just to see 'natural beauty' they have always been here,that "South Africa was an empty land" story was forged by the white settlers to justify their thievery and you bought that hogwash
Do you think nigerians like beautiful things when they have destroyed all of Lagos infrastructure??
morpheus24:this is your opinion and is best if you keep it
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 2:29pm On Feb 17, 2017|
1.The fault is yours for not qualifying and contextualizing the use of the word "beautiful" in your earlier statement and since this was not done, it was open to interpretation.
2. Thank you for now clarifying the real issues you were alluding to. Please bare in mind Africans in general seek refuge in multiple countries on the continent and only choose South Africa as a first preference because of its general overall stability in terms of some of the points you enumerated above i.e. economics and political systems. The hunger and deadly disease part is a misrepresentation of sorts because there is food abundant on the continent and the "means" to purchase is the impetus for leaving their respective countries and not the suggestion that there is wide spread hunger per say in those respective countries. Like wise the reference to ebola, cholera, malaria or HIV/AIDS for that matter. HIV is more prevalent in South Africa compared to other countries and ebola never chased anyone en masse from Liberia, Guinea or Sierra leone to emigrate to South Africa, neither does Malaria for that matter.
It depends on who you claim your ancestors to be. Archeaology relics shot that Bantu peoples mostly Ngunis did not penetrate into South Africa prior to the 1600's and most of the indigenous stock were the Khoi who lived on the coasts and the san who lived in the hinter lands. The Xhosa preceded, the mfengu who preceded the mpondos who preceded the Zulu, who preceded the ndebele who preceded the shangaan and venda peoples. These groups did not arrive into what is known as the western cape, Northern cape, Free state and parts of the old transvaal areas.
The bakwena, batswana, batlapin, basotho and the likes are a much older group that moved southward into the area defined as SOuth Africa today but how long they were there prior to the arrival of the settler population is unclear because of the Mfecane. These groups can however claim a stronger indigenous claim to the area because a lot of their customs and phenotypical apperances cross over with indigenous SAN peoples so there may have settled much earlier along side the san but their language does give away a more later arrival than the san or khoi.
In summary, facts show that most of the so called indigenous groups that exist in South africa today are fairly recent arrivals as opposed to them having existed in those areas for thousands of years as is evident in other African countries.
You are obviously refering to the infamous lagos areas where infrastructure is pretty much run down because it cannot carry the large size of the population within it. The lack there of infrastructure or the overuse of it does not necessarily equal to the claim that people are actively engaged in the destruction of infrastructure
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by MduZA: 7:52am On Feb 19, 2017|
you and I have got same status on this forum,dont even try to destroy the good International reputation of Someone's business...unlike Your compatriots queing For asylums daily in pretoria,I'm accessing this forum from Joburg,its a matter of login and out..thats internet For you..!did nt you join the february 5th National Hunger protest led by 2Face?..i still maintain Whatever happens in SA...none of Your business,unless you are worried due to the fact that SA is Your new colonizer!
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|Re: South Africa Is Finished by Nobody: 11:32am On Feb 19, 2017|
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by darknetcom: 5:40pm On Feb 19, 2017|
guy..give yourself a break..
i made this thread to say what i noticed lately in south africa...rascm is new..thats all...
i dont give a fvck about south africa..
south aftica isnt that big sef and doesnt have that much population like nigeria....
you pissed off and want to prove something??..
your headache,not mine...
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by Nobody: 6:18pm On Feb 19, 2017|
darknetcom:you are the one with a headache here!!have you noticed??
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 9:41am On Feb 21, 2017|
You and I know my compatriots are not real asylum seekers and are "gaming" your system much the same as those "colonizer" SA companies in Nigeria. You set up shop, exploit our population size, repatriate our money via tax evasion and tax avoidance
We reciprocate, we send you our degenerate human capital,, colonize your streets, exploit your women, sell you nyaope and send the proceeds back to the village to build papa the house he has been waiting for.
A fair trade if you ask me, if you don't want it otherwise please ask all them companies to leave Naija with immediate effect and I will advocate with full force the repatriation of Nigerians from SA.
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 9:45am On Feb 21, 2017|
Ohh, he's put you under a "spell" alright. You actually think the non- sense he just posted actually makes sense.
eish! bantu education
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by Omoluabi16(m): 8:53pm On Feb 22, 2017|
MduZA:how many foreigners have you feral hiv ridden lot killed today? I won't blame you though. The rest of africa should have left you to kiss the white man's a** forever. I assure you..you'll regret it. you b*******s
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by MduZA: 3:25pm On Feb 23, 2017|
we don't even bother of what is happening in your zooo..remember we are not like you and we don't want to associate ourselves with yourselves.why are you insisting in polluting our beloved country ?if you don't want to be killed,don't come here..no regret ,never will!deal with it
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|Re: South Africa Is Finished by MduZA: 3:50pm On Feb 23, 2017|
those SAn companies in your country are scattered all over the continent....the fact that your country cannot create her own to match them ,they will dominate your market whether you like it or not..since you are bragging about selling drugs in SA , don't cry foul about xenophobia when the very people you are selling drugs on turn against you ....You will only colonize our streets in your imagination,surely you know where we place you..!
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|Re: South Africa Is Finished by Horus(m): 6:07pm On Feb 23, 2017|
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 10:15am On Feb 24, 2017|
Look at your streets today and see all the xenophobia taking place. You people are not worthy to be called Africans and should change your name to AfrIkaner "dogs" of the Pseudo African state known as South Africa.
You are a disgrace to the continent and all of Africa knows it.
If there are criminal foreign nationals in your community, fish them out, report them to police if not report them to your press, if not then report them to your government using evidence to back up your claims but you can't do that, masking your hateful and angry hearts with false accusations.
Since 2008 to 2017
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by MduZA: 11:43am On Feb 24, 2017|
on your last comment you bragged about your compatriots selling drugs in SA...what is currently taking place in Pretoria is the effects of that...if you think your people will do as they please,here you are in a wrong country...I remember how you warned last time about attacks on foreigners in SA,your people have been singled out this time around..cant wait to see your country artificial muscles!
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|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 12:22pm On Feb 24, 2017|
1. I did not brag about my compatriots illicit activity, I simply gave an opinion on the reciprocal effects of exploitation that takes place in relation to both countries so don't contextualize my statements. If you want me to clarify my statements simply ask.
2. The issues going on in Atteridgeville, Mamelodi and Pretoria west in general are not channeled at brothels or areas where illicit activity are taking place, therefore you cannot claim you are attacking criminals, they are going about rampaging and trying to penetrate mostly SOMALI neighbourhoods to burn down houses and loot. Stop peddling false narratives, unlike most of your people most African can think with their brains.
Please admit a good number of your people are Xenophobes a symptom of the same disdain Whites had for you, you are projecting. Why not march to Cape town, Sea point and rest where White foreign nationals are buying up all the property there and excluding you from areas in your own country. COWARDS!
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by MduZA: 1:01pm On Feb 24, 2017|
do you admit that many of your people are into drugs and human trafficking businesses in SA?...you are bringing the issue of whites as if they are foreigners,they are south Africans,you cannot change it..foreigners have been working in south African mines since 1888,nobody accused them of taking jobs but since our boarders are opened for you Nigerians..things have changed,,you have brought in your element of crime..its unfortunate innocent law abiding foreigners are also affected by the axe not meant for them...Im glad that south Africans are now beginning to see who the criminals are..you Nigerians!
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 1:27pm On Feb 24, 2017|
1.I have never denied this fact anywhere in any commentary I have ever made.
2. You must quantify what you mean by "many". What categorizes the many you are talking about? Is it the many you see, the many you come in contact with or the many you have evidence to present.
3. There are approximately 800,000 Nigerians in South Africa, for argument purposes lets inflate this to 1 million.
Extrapolate from this number females who are less likely to commit these crimes and using a ration of 3:1 which is a modest ratio of women to men in the world the number is reduced to 300,000 potential Male criminals.
Extrapolate males aged 1 to 18 who are less likely to zero of engaging in illicit activity at a ratio od 2:1 the number of potential males reduces to 150,000 potential male criminals
Further extrapolate professional Nigerians who are engaged in legal activities such as Doctors, Teachers, Engineers, Barbers, Business owners, Exporters, Government officials at embassies etc at a ration of 3:1 you get only 50,000 potential male criminals
Now you can say 50,000 is a lot but if you compare that number to the total number of SA which is 51 million and further juxtapose that to the total population of Nigerians in South Africa 1 million and the total Nigerian population resident in Nigeria 170 milllion you will see how s.t.u.p.id your people are when you say many or most Nigerians are into illicit business.
There are whites who are foreigners who live all around the country who take jobs in highly skilled sectors, They are from allover Europe. They exploit your people, hire black foreigners at cheap and discard your services because you are lazy. No mentioned of these folks during your loud discourse or so called protests/looting. None what so ever. Is it because you are afraid of them?
You are attacking other black foreign nationals including Somalis, Malawians and the likes so this is not isolated to Nigerians. You start off with Nigerians but almost always add others you have contempt for. Tell the truth.
The black foreigners who came in the 1800's to work mostly from Zimbabwe, Malawi and the likes were not bothered becaus they represented an insignificant number because of work restrictions during colonizaion and the Apatheid area, e\ after working they returned or repatriated their wealth back to their countries. The remainder that stayed,adopted SA languages integrated and dissolved into existing communties
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by MduZA: 2:08pm On Feb 24, 2017|
We are not complaining about foreigners taking jobs...we are complaining about Nigerians selling drugs,don't you get it?...the are many foreign nationals in many sectors in Nigeria exploiting your people,surely you know that..do you know why some businesses prefer hiring your people in SA,they don't want to follow labour laws,they pay your people peanuts,your people work abnormal hours..this is the reality you will never admit...dont equate white people doing legal business with your drug dealers..Nigerians residing in Sunnyside and hilbrow are not doctors,they are drug dealers,burnt houses in rosentanville were not rented by Nigerian doctors but drug dealers...I told you some months ago that since you Nigerians don't want to admit and change your behaviour...you will always be in the receiving end!
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|Re: South Africa Is Finished by LeSudAfricaine: 2:34pm On Feb 24, 2017|
MduZA:Nigerian hav this deluded view that south Africans don't have jobs , it's only them who work, I really find it funny, I mean if they are such w orkaholics why don't they develop they country then instead running to already made countries
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 2:40pm On Feb 24, 2017|
You are either a block head or an illiterate.
Point 1. You are complaining about foreigners taking jobs, stop peddling false narratives. You are disguising your economic sufferings and failures of your governments with issues of criminality within foreign communities. You are a violent people and express yourselves violently
Violence in your parliament SONA 2017
Violence in your protests #FEES must fall
Violence in your football games #Sundowns beat Pirates
Violence in Rosentenville..... Burning down and looting goods and properties
Now Violence today on your streets..... attacking immigrant communities and not only Nigerians
MduZA:Incoherence, Fallacy and false logic.
1.How do you relate this to your protests and mob actions on foreign migrants.?
2. What foreign nationals are you refering to and what sector do they work in.?
3. Most Nigerians in SA are professionals who work as doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers who are paid on par with their South African counter parts. They are also taxed the same so that point is nonsensical and outright lieing.
4. Many Nigerians are business owners who run various businesses. The rest are jobless who engage in illicit activities who refuse to work as house boys, cleaners, waiters and the likes. Those jobs are filled with other SADC countries citizens. Another lie.
If the majority of Nigerians who traffic drugs and so are in Sunnyside, why is the mob action taking place in Mamelodi and Atteridgeville. Why is the TV footage not focusing on these areas. Stop exposing your S.t.u.pidity here. We can follow whats going on live.
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by LeSudAfricaine: 2:41pm On Feb 24, 2017|
morpheus24:fortunately it's not up to you to dictate who should be African who should be not.need I remain you its you Nigerians who have spoiled the image of Africans worldwide with your criminal antics, if anyone should be called a disgrace its you! The Malaysians know it, the Indian know it, the world knows it
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|Re: South Africa Is Finished by MduZA: 2:46pm On Feb 24, 2017|
selling drugs and using teenage girls as prostitutes ,that's what they call jobs..whether we are lazy or xenophobic,we don't care...this is our country..if they don't want to behave like humans...let them go back to their zooooo..or else
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|Re: South Africa Is Finished by LeSudAfricaine: 2:48pm On Feb 24, 2017|
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|Re: South Africa Is Finished by MduZA: 2:49pm On Feb 24, 2017|
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 2:50pm On Feb 24, 2017|
1. A majority of black South Africans are underskilled, unskilled and semi illiterate. FACT!
2. Unemployment rate at 34% when you take youth employment and those who have given up on looking for jobs.
3. Nigerians are enterprising within and outside of the country. You have to be a workaholic and have a strong work ethic to achieve this goals. FACT!
4. Illogical conclusion. You have drawn a fallacious conclusion by correlating development with an aptitude for working hard and achieving personal wealth. South Africans especially the ones of black persuasion did not work hard to "develop" their country. The colonial and settler populations judiciously translated exploited resources to develop the infrastructure and economic system which you inherited pre 1994. You inherited these institutions.
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by LeSudAfricaine: 2:52pm On Feb 24, 2017|
MduZA:everyone complains about Nigerians, t only becomes a problem when its South Africa. Do you know he treatment meted on them by the indians in india?Belgium has many immigrants from the Congo and other francophone countries but you would never hear negative stories about such people.
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 2:56pm On Feb 24, 2017|
Its not a dictate its an indictment my dear.
False logic. Nigerians have spoilt the image of Nigerians. If you travel to Malaysia and mention you are South African, no one will associate you with drug peddling. Neither will a Kenyan or a Malawian.
2. Internal African affairs regarding a Pan African mindset would support my claim of labeling you Un- African, in your conduct irregardless of the status of Nigerians illicit behaviour on the continent. irrefutable fact.
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 2:59pm On Feb 24, 2017|
You are diverting from the evidence I have presented. Again if there are criminal elements in your society who are engaged in these activities, produce evidence by surveillance, facts, proof, video footage, interviews with ex prostitutes, ex drug dealers etc to support your claim.
Are you that slow that seeing is believing. If you do this and present it then the whole world will support you when you drive us all out.
Do I have to teach you how to produce evidence or do you just like to complain about everything.
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 3:03pm On Feb 24, 2017|
Countries complain about illicit activities perpertrated my a minority number of Nigerians
South Africans complain about ALL FOREIGNERS including Nigerians who engage in illicit activity in their country. Difference.
False narrative. Belgians is one of the European countries that are protesting against immigrants in general including Africans.
|Re: South Africa Is Finished by morpheus24: 3:07pm On Feb 24, 2017|
The term has not lost its relevance. The term is very relevant because it embodies the total grievance of SA against Foreigners and black ones in particular.
1. An influx of immigrants into the country induced the "fear" of foreign nationals also know as Xenophobia
2. The Zimbabweans and Mozambicans you lived with in peace was post 1994 and post collapse of economies in the countries you mentioned
3. You should give a rats ass for being labelled as such and come out to repudiate the stereotype as we repudiate our stereotypes
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