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Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Stlawr(m): 9:41am On Feb 13, 2017
I was move and filled with questions when my students were discussing about the possessed girl that was delivered by their imam when they went for their evening studies..
I asked them if Muslims cast devils away, they said yes
I thought is only by the name of Jesus that demons can be cast away..

Lot of things about religion that needs urgent explanation?

Who is the demon that Christians, Muslims and pagans cast away..?
I thought is only in Jesus Name that this demons can be cast out?
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by hopefulLandlord: 9:46am On Feb 13, 2017
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Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by hopefulLandlord: 9:47am On Feb 13, 2017
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Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by aminusanti(m): 12:55pm On Feb 13, 2017
Stlawr:
I was move and filled with questions when my students were discussing about the possessed girl that was delivered by their imam when they went for their evening studies..
I asked them if Muslims cast devils away, they said yes
I thought is only by the name of Jesus that demons can be cast away..

Lot of things about religion that needs urgent explanation?

Who is the demon that Christians, Muslims and pagans cast away..?
I thought is only in Jesus Name that this demons can be cast out?
did u ever wonder why dis xtians pastors n rituals r like 5&6?
Most of the christians exorcist and miracle doers are working with demons to cast out demons in people not jesus. As for the ones that are not having any contract with demons they usually inherit those demons from there 4fathers and they help them when casting out demon if their demon is stronger than the possessed person and same goes to other religious groups including some muslims practice that wrong approach but the only Exorcist that are real in this case are the islamic Raqis or someone that knows how to use quranic approach to burn the demon/jinns..
You might b wondering why/ how did I jump to dis conclusion!... I studied n analyzed dis religious exorcism extremely well and I can give you more than enough logical proofs for all my claims.. try watchin and compare some videos on you tube, u will surely spot the truth. Search for Ruqyah if u r looking for exorcism in islam..

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Nobody: 1:15pm On Feb 13, 2017
aminusanti:
did u ever wonder why dis xtians pastors n rituals r like 5&6?
Most of the christians exorcist and miracle doers are working with demons to cast out demons in people not jesus. As for the ones that are not having any contract with demons they usually inherit those demons from there 4fathers and they help them when casting out demon if their demon is stronger than the possessed person and same goes to other religious groups including some muslims practice that wrong approach but the only Exorcist that are real in this case are the islamic Raqis or someone that knows how to use quranic approach to burn the demon/jinns..
You might b wondering why/ how did I jump to dis conclusion!... I studied n analyzed dis religious exorcism extremely well and I can give you more than enough logical proofs for all my claims.. try watchin and compare some videos on you tube, u will surely spot the truth. Search for Ruqyah if u r looking for exorcism in islam..
I could say the same for Muslims.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Stlawr(m): 3:29pm On Feb 13, 2017
aminusanti:
did u ever wonder why dis xtians pastors n rituals r like 5&6?
Most of the christians exorcist and miracle doers are working with demons to cast out demons in people not jesus. As for the ones that are not having any contract with demons they usually inherit those demons from there 4fathers and they help them when casting out demon if their demon is stronger than the possessed person and same goes to other religious groups including some muslims practice that wrong approach but the only Exorcist that are real in this case are the islamic Raqis or someone that knows how to use quranic approach to burn the demon/jinns..
You might b wondering why/ how did I jump to dis conclusion!... I studied n analyzed dis religious exorcism extremely well and I can give you more than enough logical proofs for all my claims.. try watchin and compare some videos on you tube, u will surely spot the truth. Search for Ruqyah if u r looking for exorcism in islam..

Thanks for your response
I really need logical Proofs because Christians believes demons can only be cast out in the name of Jesus
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by aminusanti(m): 3:30pm On Feb 13, 2017
lordnicklaus:

I could say the same for Muslims.
Ok.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Nobody: 3:43pm On Feb 13, 2017
Stlawr:
I was move and filled with questions when my students were discussing about the possessed girl that was delivered by their imam when they went for their evening studies..
I asked them if Muslims cast devils away, they said yes
I thought is only by the name of Jesus that demons can be cast away..

Lot of things about religion that needs urgent explanation?

Who is the demon that Christians, Muslims and pagans cast away..?
I thought is only in Jesus Name that this demons can be cast out?
Demons have a hierarchy. Anyone with a higher hierarchy than a particular demon can order it. Jesus is very high in the hierarchy. If you're christian, you may have heard of a time when some religious leaders told Jesus that he was using a certain prince of demons to cast out other demons.

My tribe too casts out demons traditionally - We order them to the nearby lake Victoria grin grin
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Stlawr(m): 3:57pm On Feb 13, 2017
Muafrika2:

Demons have a hierarchy. Anyone with a higher hierarchy than a particular demon can order it. Jesus is very high in the hierarchy. If you're christian, you may have heard of a time when some religious leaders told Jesus that he was using a certain prince of demons to cast out other demons.

My tribe too casts out demons traditionally - We order them to the nearby lake Victoria grin grin

Wow! Truth keep unfolding daily! So is about hierarchy not a name ?
Thanks for your contributions wink
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Nobody: 12:03pm On Feb 14, 2017
In Islam, it is known that there are good and bad ways to remove 'demons' from people they have possessed. Normally, these spirits are subject to specific laws that they are given by God. For example, God tells their leader, Satan...

<<Indeed, over My believing servants there is for you no authority. And sufficient is your Lord as Disposer of affairs.>> Quran 17:65

For this reason, they cannot possess just anyone anyhow, if he is a believing Muslim... non-Muslims are much easier. Either way, a person has to do something to enable them to possess him/her. The only endorsed method of removing such spirits from people, is by reciting relevant parts of the Quran to such disobedient spirits who have broken the rules, which results either in their immediate retraction and voluntary removal, or in their being punished while still within the possessed person. When the punishment becomes unbearable for the spirits, they are forced to leave anyway.

For those exorcisms which are non-Muslim endorsed, there are two different methods that are in use; but as pointed out, these are prohibited in Islam, since they involve the use of shirk... ie negating the Unity of God, and seeking help from spirits. Both methods are used by traditional healers as well as Christians etc. The first involves the use of accomplice spirits possessing a higher status or power; usually working with the 'healer'; to forcibly remove those of a lower status. It often involves sacrifices and other forms of appeasement to the more powerful spirits before they can work with the healer. The other form, involves engaging in actions that are pleasing to the possessing spirit. It could take the form of openly avowing disbelief in God, praise or worship of the spirit, using 'authorities' other than that of God to drive out the spirit, loud music, trance states, incantations and gibberish etc. In many cases, these acts of disbelief involved in 'driving' him out, are the only desire of the possessing spirit, and he leaves having achieved his aim. Sometimes, it is his intention to create fans (or a congregation) for the healer, and he will work in cahoots with the healer to increase the healer's reputation for being a miracle worker.

Using these methods, the spirit may pretend to leave, but merely withdraws inwards and makes everyone think he has left, until a future time, or he may actually leave, having achieved his purpose. Both these methods require appeasement, either to the more powerful spirit that drives out the smaller one, or to the possessing spirit itself, so they are both prohibited in Islam.

It should be noted that the motive for the last two (prohibited) methods are often obvious, either carried out with intention of financial benefit for the 'healer', or televised for the purpose of creating fame and testimonies. Proper exorcisms should be held in private, and the ony motive should be helping the oppressed person to permanently remove the spirit disturbing him/her.

Allah knows best.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Apostlebay(m): 1:26pm On Feb 14, 2017
So what u re implying simply is that those pastor n devoted men of God casting demons out in d name of Jesus, are depending on spirit or performing rituals before they can exort demons. watch ur mouth bro
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Stlawr(m): 6:19pm On Feb 14, 2017
Farmerforlife:
In Islam, it is known that there are good and bad ways to remove 'demons' from people they have possessed. Normally, these spirits are subject to specific laws that they are given by God. For example, God tells their leader, Satan...

<<Indeed, over My believing servants there is for you no authority. And sufficient is your Lord as Disposer of affairs.>> Quran 17:65

For this reason, they cannot possess just anyone anyhow, if he is a believing Muslim... non-Muslims are much easier. Either way, a person has to do something to enable them to possess him/her. The only endorsed method of removing such spirits from people, is by reciting relevant parts of the Quran to such disobedient spirits who have broken the rules, which results either in their immediate retraction and voluntary removal, or in their being punished while still within the possessed person. When the punishment becomes unbearable for the spirits, they are forced to leave anyway.

For those exorcisms which are non-Muslim endorsed, there are two different methods that are in use; but as pointed out, these are prohibited in Islam, since they involve the use of shirk... ie negating the Unity of God, and seeking help from spirits. Both methods are used by traditional healers as well as Christians etc. The first involves the use of accomplice spirits possessing a higher status or power; usually working with the 'healer'; to forcibly remove those of a lower status. It often involves sacrifices and other forms of appeasement to the more powerful spirits before they can work with the healer. The other form, involves engaging in actions that are pleasing to the possessing spirit. It could take the form of openly avowing disbelief in God, praise or worship of the spirit, using 'authorities' other than that of God to drive out the spirit, loud music, trance states, incantations and gibberish etc. In many cases, these acts of disbelief involved in 'driving' him out, are the only desire of the possessing spirit, and he leaves having achieved his aim. Sometimes, it is his intention to create fans (or a congregation) for the healer, and he will work in cahoots with the healer to increase the healer's reputation for being a miracle worker.

Using these methods, the spirit may pretend to leave, but merely withdraws inwards and makes everyone think he has left, until a future time, or he may actually leave, having achieved his purpose. Both these methods require appeasement, either to the more powerful spirit that drives out the smaller one, or to the possessing spirit itself, so they are both prohibited in Islam.

It should be noted that the motive for the last two (prohibited) methods are often obvious, either carried out with intention of financial benefit for the 'healer', or televised for the purpose of creating fame and testimonies. Proper exorcisms should be held in private, and the ony motive should be helping the oppressed person to permanently remove the spirit disturbing him/her.

Allah knows best.

Am amazed! We really need to be open to other religions..!

Thanks for your contribution Brother
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Stlawr(m): 6:24pm On Feb 14, 2017
Apostlebay:
So what u re implying simply is that those pastor n devoted men of God casting demons out in d name of Jesus, are depending on spirit or performing rituals before they can exort demons. watch ur mouth bro

Everyone has reason or reasons for His Beliefs! What do you believe? I need Sincere response on this issue
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Nobody: 6:32pm On Feb 14, 2017
Stlawr:


Everyone has reason or reasons for His Beliefs! What do you believe? I need Sincere response on this issue
There are places where demons (especially for riches) can be bought and sold. These are stories from reliable sources.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Nobody: 11:57am On Feb 16, 2017
Apostlebay:
So what u re implying simply is that those pastor n devoted men of God casting demons out in d name of Jesus, are depending on spirit or performing rituals before they can exort demons. watch ur mouth bro

Yes. All these news you read of animals or humans being buried under altars or in the foundations of major churches (names always withheld of course) have obvious implications, and I am convinced that all successful charismatic churches engage in such covert rituals, but most remain undiscovered. The demons will not ever help their accomplice unless they derive some form of benefit, the contract of which is signed using rituals that incorporate some form of major sin against God's laws, like murder, homosexuality, blasphemy etc. Compare some of the rituals of the pentecostal churches today with those of historical pagan rites, you will see great similarities, trance states, mass hysteria, glossolalia, screaming and shouting, hysterical dancing and rolling on the floor, talking and shouting to oneself... does any of this sound familiar?

Stlawr:


Am amazed! We really need to be open to other religions..!

Thanks for your contribution Brother

Welcome.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Image123(m): 1:19pm On Feb 23, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
Analice107, Goodmuyis, Omudia, Image123, truthislight

Ever heard of fake currency? It usually looks like the original. The devil can act to deceive. His aim is that you miss the original.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by analice107: 3:41pm On Feb 23, 2017
aminusanti:
did u ever wonder why dis xtians pastors n rituals r like 5&6?
Most of the christians exorcist and miracle doers are working with demons to cast out demons in people not jesus. As for the ones that are not having any contract with demons they usually inherit those demons from there 4fathers and they help them when casting out demon if their demon is stronger than the possessed person and same goes to other religious groups including some muslims practice that wrong approach but the only Exorcist that are real in this case are the islamic Raqis or someone that knows how to use quranic approach to burn the demon/jinns..
You might b wondering why/ how did I jump to dis conclusion!... I studied n analyzed dis religious exorcism extremely well and I can give you more than enough logical proofs for all my claims.. try watchin and compare some videos on you tube, u will surely spot the truth. Search for Ruqyah if u r looking for exorcism in islam..
You left the reason for which you were mentioned to spew trash. Imams don't cast out demons, they appease the demons to lie low, and the motive is to deceive you.
Islam is the religion of satan.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by analice107: 3:45pm On Feb 23, 2017
Image123:


Ever heard of fake currency? It usually looks like the original. The devil can act to deceive. His aim is that you miss the original.
I commend you my brother for taking time to respond to this one. He is lost nothing you say will make any difference.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by GoodMuyis(m): 7:48am On Feb 24, 2017
Stlawr:


Wow! Truth keep unfolding daily! So is about hierarchy not a name ?
Thanks for your contributions wink

Don't get it wrongly, Jesus in hierarchy is greater than them all, so when they heard the name, they give respect, and give way.

This doesn't happen in Demons alone, witches also had hierarchical and group. I heard of a little girl that usurp authority over an aged witch, stopping her from night duty.

Coming Back to Jesus, If you truly have confidence in Him will work, My Grandma a Muslim, once told me how she use the name of Jesus to discomfit some crying bird that usually gather every night at her backyard she perceives to be witch bird, and since that day they stop coming.

So the Effectiveness in casting out demons is by what is under your control, which should be greater than what you are casting out. Just as you cannot summon The President in the name of a Governor or a mere commissioner smiley

BUT there is difference between CASTING OUT and APPEASED. Which means imam don't cast out they appeased, how to do I know? the victim will later to possessed. It happens a lot in the North.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Stlawr(m): 11:20am On Feb 27, 2017
Image123:


Ever heard of fake currency? It usually looks like the original. The devil can act to deceive. His aim is that you miss the original.

Thanks for your time but you have not actually said anything.. How do we know the Original? Because I see fruit everywhere
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Stlawr(m): 11:25am On Feb 27, 2017
GoodMuyis:


Don't get it wrongly, Jesus in hierarchy is greater than them all, so when they heard the name, they give respect, and give way.

This doesn't happen in Demons alone, witches also had hierarchical and group. I heard of a little girl that usurp authority over an aged witch, stopping her from night duty.

Coming Back to Jesus, If you truly have confidence in Him will work, My Grandma a Muslim, once told me how she use the name of Jesus to discomfit some crying bird that usually gather every night at her backyard she perceives to be witch bird, and since that day they stop coming.

So the Effectiveness in casting out demons is by what is under your control, which should be greater than what you are casting out. Just as you cannot summon The President in the name of a Governor or a mere commissioner smiley

BUT there is difference between CASTING OUT and APPEASED. Which means imam don't cast out they appeased, how to do I know? the victim will later to possessed. It happens a lot in the North.

Thanks Bro. I want to be sincere here.. Some people are delivered every year in churches. Does it mean some churches are appeasing the demons?
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by DanXplore(m): 2:23pm On Feb 27, 2017
Stlawr:
I was move and filled with questions when my students were discussing about the possessed girl that was delivered by their imam when they went for their evening studies..
I asked them if Muslims cast devils away, they said yes
I thought is only by the name of Jesus that demons can be cast away..

Lot of things about religion that needs urgent explanation?

Who is the demon that Christians, Muslims and pagans cast away..?
I thought is only in Jesus Name that this demons can be cast out?

Yes, muslims cast out demons. i know this for a fact! Not just muslims, but Jews, sikhs, hindus etc. If you are familiar with the story of the exodus of Israel fron Egypt, the magicians replicated the first few signs Moses did...but however, that of Moses superceded theirs. Infact, the Egyptians could not reproduce subsequent signs and wonders that the Lord of Hosts wrought through Moses' mantle. There are powers and there are greater powers. The name Jesus is that power that supercedes other powers. Other religions could cast a few demons or appease them, do a few signs and wonders, tricks etc but there is aways a threshold they cannot exceed. When Jesus comes into the scene, what ever He shuts, no one can open, and whatever He opens no one can shut.

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Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by jdaymonday55(m): 4:24pm On Feb 27, 2017
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Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Princewell2012(m): 7:17pm On Feb 27, 2017
Stlawr:


Am amazed! We really need to be open to other religions..!

Thanks for your contribution Brother


Yes he actually made a point.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Image123(m): 12:55am On Feb 28, 2017
Stlawr:


Thanks for your time but you have not actually said anything.. How do we know the Original? Because I see fruit everywhere

You seem like the one that "thought is only by the name of Jesus that demons can be cast away". The explanation for the different upcoming artistes are what i have given, fakes copy the original.
Re: Muslims, Christians, Pagans Cast Away Devils? Who Is This Devil? by Stlawr(m): 8:08am On Jul 06, 2017
I now see that every religion has its own devil

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