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Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 4:27pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
akintom: The Bible says knowledge will increase in the end times, and not just knowledge about GOD. Stop constructing strawman arguments. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by jchioma: 4:27pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
Wilgrea7: [/quote] The bible is not the WORD OF GOD. And if we believe it as such, then we have made the bible into an idol. Our elevation of the bible to almost divine status has seemingly resulted in the Church believing it is to be the moral authority over the world – as though they speak for God. We have equated the language of the bible with the Words of God. This has seemingly resulted in the bible being used as a weapon of power to oppress others. Incredibly, the Church’s oppression has not been limited to the secular world, but has even been used as a weapon to oppress its own people. The bible is a book. Just like any other book it contains words, propositions, stories, ideologies, and philosophies. But it contains something that is far greater than any other book that has ever been written. It contains testimonies. But not just any testimony. It contains testimonies about God – not just about any God, but the living God. It contains a testimonies about who God is, and who man is; and who man is in light of his discovery of God. (Eric English).[/quote] This testimonies are not limited to the Bible, as there are thousands of texts, cuneiform and other evidences that point to God beyond the scope of Bible understanding. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by Wilgrea7(m): 5:20pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
jchioma: some Christians won't go with your view... what other “texts" point to God beyond the scope of bible understand... can you list a few?? |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by akintom(m): 5:26pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Are you saying increase in knowledge (according to your Bible) = ICT? |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by jchioma: 6:57pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
Wilgrea7: It's deep. The definitions and ideas about God in the Judaeo-Christian tradition were heavily influenced by classical Greek philosophy. "The Greeks were fascinated by the idea of some kind of existence that underlay all individuals. One idea proposed that all things shared some common element, a universal material providing the stuff of which all things are made. Another idea proposed a being or principle that inhabited some form of heavenly realm. Plato proposed his idea of an ultimate reality through his theory of the Forms. He suggested a supreme good that existed beyond all other ordinary beings. The Platonic idea of a highest principle which was utter perfection strongly influenced Jewish and early Christian discussions of God. Additionally, Aristotle suggested his supreme being to be an unchanging form that is also a first mover. Aristotle’s first mover is a simple, unchanging form that still causally affects other beings: in Aristotle’s case all movement in the universe was as a result of the prime mover. It was through a desire to reach the perfection of this being movement was caused; all material things were drawn toward the prime mover." |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by jchioma: 7:02pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
jchioma: The idea of a simple God developed from the idea that God exists eternally. In Judaeo-Christian philosophy the concept of God being eternal can have two senses. Firstly, eternal can refer to God existing outside of time and is referred to as God being timeless. Secondly eternal can also refer to God having no beginning and no end, but time does pass for God or that God is everlasting. The Christian belief that God is eternal (timeless) was strongly influenced by the philosophy of Boethius. Boethius argued that God is changeless and does not exist in time. Boethius argued that God’s life is limitless and that God possesses the whole of his/her life eternally without end. For God there is no past, present and future. Instead, God exists eternally and all of time is present to God ‘simultaneously’. Boethius argues that God sees everything in ‘one glance’. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by Wilgrea7(m): 7:24pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
jchioma: its deep indeed... its funny how people with views such as yours are never known on nairaland... so to my first question.... what book/testimonies talk about God outside the bible |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by Wilgrea7(m): 7:40pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
jchioma: this is interesting the two positions seem to be relative... because if God exists outside time, then he can't have a beginning... because a beginning signifies time... and God is simply beyond it 1 Like |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by MrMontella(m): 10:53pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
Niflheim:exactly. best reply 1 Like |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 12:06am On Mar 18, 2017 |
MrMontella: You can actually try to disprove my argument. Prove the Bible false. Don't produce red herrings. But I know that you hate anything that puts the burden of proof upon you. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by dungas30(m): 4:46am On Mar 18, 2017 |
Pastafarian:WHO IS UR MENTOR, A PROFESSOR OR THE WORD ITSELF, DO NOT LAY UR TRUST IN MERE HUMAN THOUGHT. COZ THAT WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF UR JOURNEY TO DOOM |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by dungas30(m): 4:48am On Mar 18, 2017 |
jchioma:WRITE UPS WITH REASONS TO SUPPORT UR ARGUMENT |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by Pastafarian: 9:28am On Mar 18, 2017 |
dungas30: I'm an atheist |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by MrMontella(m): 12:46pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:I cannot redo what you know I've done a thousand times bro |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 1:07pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
MrMontella:When and where did you prove the Bible false? |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 11:18am On Mar 20, 2017 |
Have the atheists no proof of their claim that the Bible is not always true? |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by benzics(m): 1:10pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Premise 1: The bible is always true. FALSE! Joshua 10: 12-13 One would expect that God being all knowing would at least know the sun is always still, and that it's the earth that revolves , unless God is also a flat earther .. The stupid is strong “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS) Why is it that Christians ask for things and they don't get it? Oh, "they don't have enough faith" (what amount of faith would be required to be just like a mustard seed ) and "God knows best".. Yeah right, sounds like bullshit to me 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by obinna58(m): 3:19pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: What made u think bible wasn't human made |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 3:56pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
benzics, below is an exposition by Dr. Claude Mariottini. In Hebrew, the word translated “stand still” literally means “be silent.” In this context, Joshua was commanding the sun “to be silent,” that is, to keep from shining. Since the sun was rising in the east, his command to the sun was that it refrains from shining. When Joshua came to fight against the Amorites, he came at night and caught them by surprise. Joshua was aided by the darkness caused by a huge storm that produced hail so big that it killed many people. In fact, the biblical text says that more people died from the hailstones than the people of Israel killed with the sword. Since the hailstorm did not affect the army of Israel, Joshua needed the storm to last so that the hail could continue decimating the army of the Amorites. Consequently, Joshua’s prayer was for more darkness (the continuation of the storm) and not for more light. The reason Joshua’s army did not kill many soldiers was because the storm prevailed most of that day. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 3:58pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
The view that Joshua prayed for more darkness is in agreement with the biblical text because the sun stood still (was silent, did not shine) for a whole day. This view also allows for a better understanding of the text without forcing upon it an interpretation that would require the reversal of the laws of physics. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 4:01pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 4:05pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
benzics: "Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." James 4:3 |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 4:15pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
obinna58: The Bible is yet to be equaled by any human work. The glorious light of its divine Wisdom continues to confound even men of understanding. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by benzics(m): 4:49pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:So asking for your loving mother to be cured of cancer is satisfying your lust? You never stop surprising us.. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by benzics(m): 4:52pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Damn! Another remodification of the biblical context by some Apologist. Do you know what will happen if the sun should stop shining? What baffles me most is you believe that shit happened! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 5:13pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
benzics: GOD answers prayers only when the conditions are met by the one praying. And then, He answers only as He dims fit. He might decide to let cancer take His child out of this wicked, sin-cursed world for the best reasons best known to Him, knowing that such a person would rise in his/her immortal body on that glorious resurrection morning to suffer diseases no more. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(m): 5:23pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
benzics: What will happen? I believe you can read and I believe you have a functional brain. Reread that exposition; this time slowly. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by Pastafarian: 5:33pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
benzics: Hehehehehehehehe |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by randomperson: 6:48pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Don't have too much time on my hands so will just drop this contradiction from the bible... GE 10:5, 20, 31 There were many languages before the Tower of Babel. GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel. GE 15:13, ACT 7:6 The sojourn in Egypt lasted 400 years EX 12:40 430 years 2SA 24:1 The Lord inspired David to take the census. 1CH 21:1 Satan inspired the census. |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by Pastafarian: 6:52pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
randomperson: you need the holy spirit 1 Like |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by Nobody: 7:39pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Pastafarian:Lolllllll |
Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by benzics(m): 8:21pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:You are basically saying God doesn't exist, since you seem to know how he behaves. I might as well create a God who provides rain, and then I tell people to pray for rain, if they eventually see rain, "all glory be to the God of rain", if they don't, "the God of rain answers when he deems fit"... And there you go, I've completely deceived people to believe in the imaginary God I created! Jesus didn't say "ask, and if I like it, I'll give", he rather said "ask and you will receive"... Stop modifying your" infallible" book |
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