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Why is it the when you ask a developer to do a job for you they always try to capitalize on ones ignorance.I gave a developer a job to do for me twice now and twice has changed the price after we would have agreed on a particular price. He will suddenly call to say that he can no longer do the job for that price and also messes up the job, i keep wondering if he actually know what he is doing.I have given him a job to do now for over three weeks he is yet to do it and has even messed up the job by changing the site to the obsolate one .He his giving other developers a bad name his company is webemerald and his name is yinka adekoya. Please kindly call him to other some of us try to make a living and we cannot afford others to destroy it. The worst is that he does not even pick my calls.He needs to be talked to.
THANKS

Lay your complaints here
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lagos-Nigeria/WEBconsulting-by-WEBemeraldcom/118118131778

you may get results.

hmmm,

1) what is the exact problem, as in the exact work he was tasked to do?
2) Was there any signed contract? If yes, was there a clause in there for extra charges should scope be changed?
3) Per your "i keep wondering if he actually know what he is doing" comment, did you conduct any interviews/written or verbal tests to ascertain that he actually practiced what he preached?

I would appreciate answers to these (and others I may have in the future) as it will help me frame my response(s). I am being totally neutral here and should webemarald choose to respond, I will have another set of questions just for him.

Thanks,

i dont know what happen, please kindly find out,how much my friend paid for the job .
note : if d money is equal to the service render
i have done a job in which,iwas told to design a form using php only ,and d so call boy said i should upload d job for them before collecting my money since we have tested the job on localhost using wamp .pls dont blame anybody for anything .

Thank you very much for asking.The job was for him to expand the web space of client's for me( name withheld ) and to also update it.He charged me N25,000 for the space and N10,000 for the update which i bargained to N5,000,making the total cost N30,000.
I paid him N25,000 with a promise to bal on completion of the job.He agreed only to after 4days to say he can no longer do it at that price.
I asked him to pay back the money since he said he cannot do it at that price surprisingly he refused to refund the money and refused to pick up my calls.
In answering your question further we did not have any agreement.I did not think it was necessary since we have a relationship but he has gone to far hence this action.
The response is not is not from the right person the persons name is Adeyinka Ogunkaya WEBEMERALD

Thanks for the quick response. Hmm, needless to say, next time, even if the partner is you yourself, *always* get something in writing.

What I would suggest is to visit his facebook page, per Dual's link and post the link to this thread there for him to comment. I would like for him to come here to defend himself (so far he has no case) before I make any further comments. Till he does, I will join you in saying that this kind of behavior needs to stop. It is indeed true that generally speaking, one bad apple spoils the bunch.

Webemarald, wey you dey?

@nhoj: This is a case of know your developer, lol, I am sorry just had to laugh, cause you did the name and shame thing lol.

Anyway did you find out more about his past projects and see what he has done, any testimonials from previous clients? You have to do your research well mate, especially when you have no idea about what the guy is meant to do, you don't want to be taken for a ride.

Personally I won't pay for a job until its complete and I see its done, unfortunately this guy may be taken too much on, and can't handle it, if he his ignoring your calls then he his unprofessional and I suggest you part ways with him immediately to save yourself any more loss, you may take this as a lesson learnt  and move on.

Feel sorry for you, and wish I could just help you, I don't like noobs, I am always very happy to help people that are naive and ignorant of things.

Take it easy

kolitos007:
Personally I won't pay for a job until its complete and I see its done, unfortunately this guy may be taken too much on, and can't handle it, if he his ignoring your calls then he his unprofessional and I suggest you part ways with him immediately to save yourself any more loss, you may take this as a lesson learnt  and move on.

Different strokes for different folks they say.

I don't start a project until I have at least 70% of the project cost in my account and the project will be posted on a live server for the client to see and comment on if need be based on the agreement and list of features and functionality.

I don't hand over the project (transfer to client server) until the remaining balance is in my account.

I make sure of the following

1. Every single feature requested must be agreed upon

2. Every single issue must be discussed and sorted out before agreeing on cost.

Meanwhile, happy new year.

@topic,

Funny, I remember exchanging words with the developer in question over his skill sets on this forum. Wonders shall never end!

@Afam
I get your point actually, but you dont' have to pass the code over, at least the client can see the job is done, well I host most of the people I do sites for, we have a mutual understanding, I set price they agree, i complete the job, and upload on my server, they have 14days to pay if they don't pay I take the site off, and use the code for another client or just try and sell the site, it works for me and I am patient not in a desperate rush to get money, that does not help a lot.

kolitos007:
@Afam
I get your point actually, but you dont' have to pass the code over, at least the client can see the job is done, well I host most of the people I do sites for, we have a mutual understanding, I set price they agree, i complete the job, and upload on my server, they have 14days to pay if they don't pay I take the site off, and use the code for another client or just try and sell the site, it works for me and I am patient not in a desperate rush to get money, that does not help a lot.

It is not the rush for the money, it is the insistence on doing the right thing. Any time and effort put in a project that is not paid for after development is not worth it.

As professionals all we can do is demonstrate competence and provide references when requested.

I have even turned down requests from companies to do demos as I tell them I don't do free demos as such takes time and a programmer's time is precious and must be paid for.

Happy new year.

@Afam

Well maybe for you, I live and work in the UK, and one thing for sure is that you have to show demo of what you can do for free before you have a chance of even getting a web contract. And you finish the product before you get paid, maybe its the competition we get here, when its a bidding war btw developers and the person with best price and best demo still wins the project.

I won't pay for any development work until its complete and if the developer does not accept it, there are many developers out there, sometimes when my work is too large, I outsource to other people or maybe I need to develop flash, I have to out source it, they don't get paid until job is complete.

Its simple and that's the way it should work, I live in the society when every thing is based on trust and work ethics, don't forget there is always a second time, if you mess up, it will be hard for you the next time, as people would not give you good reference.

That's all I can say mate.

kolitos007:
@Afam

Well maybe for you, I live and work in the UK, and one thing for sure is that you have to show demo of what you can do for free before you have a chance of even getting a web contract. And you finish the product before you get paid, maybe its the competition we get here, when its a bidding war btw developers and the person with best price and best demo still wins the project.

I won't pay for any development work until its complete and if the developer does not accept it, there are many developers out there, sometimes when my work is too large, I outsource to other people or maybe I need to develop flash, I have to out source it, they don't get paid until job is complete.

Its simple and that's the way it should work, I live in the society when every thing is based on trust and work ethics, don't forget there is always a second time, if you mess up, it will be hard for you the next time, as people would not give you good reference.

That's all I can say mate.

Hmm, I think it has more to do with professionalism than competition. Trust is relative because you have court cases in the UK where aggrieved people go to.

In Nigeria, the court process is not that easy and takes unnecessary time.

Now, to the real issue of demos

My take on demos is that a lot of clients usually ask for demos from so many people, pick out the advantages or good points and look for any one that can collect the smallest fee to implement. Whether the project turns out well or not is another matter entirely.

If you have all the time in the world to be doing free demos anytime you are asked to develop a project then I must admit that you have a lot of time on your hands.

The day a bank will open an account for me and allow me to run it for a few days (read as demo) or Nokia will provide me with the latest phone to try out for a few weeks (read as demo) without paying is the day I will consider spending my time on free demos.

just did a google search on yinka adekoya. and here is what i popped up with

http://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1_____enGB360GB360&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=yinka+adekoya

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. N**** i dont want to be you right now. lolllll. And i certainly dont want to be the one running things at webemerald right now. lol


This N**** has been NAMED and SHAMED . lolll

kolitos007:
@Afam

Well maybe for you, I live and work in the UK, and one thing for sure is that you have to show demo of what you can do for free before you have a chance of even getting a web contract. And you finish the product before you get paid, maybe its the competition we get here, when its a bidding war btw developers and the person with best price and best demo still wins the project.

I won't pay for any development work until its complete and if the developer does not accept it, there are many developers out there, sometimes when my work is too large, I outsource to other people or maybe I need to develop flash, I have to out source it, they don't get paid until job is complete.

Its simple and that's the way it should work, I live in the society when every thing is based on trust and work ethics, don't forget there is always a second time, if you mess up, it will be hard for you the next time, as people would not give you good reference.

That's all I can say mate.

Hmm, I think it has more to do with professionalism than competition. Trust is relative because you have court cases in the UK where aggrieved people go to.

In Nigeria, the court process is not that easy and takes unnecessary time.

Now, to the real issue of demos

My take on demos is that a lot of clients usually ask for demos from so many people, pick out the advantages or good points and look for any one that can collect the smallest fee to implement. Whether the project turns out well or not is another matter entirely.

If you have all the time in the world to be doing free demos anytime you are asked to develop a project then I must admit that you have a lot of time on your hands.

The day a bank will open an account for me and allow me to run it for a few days (read as demo) or Nokia will provide me with the latest phone to try out for a few weeks (read as demo) without paying is the day I will consider spending my time on free demos.

Afam:
Hmm, I think it has more to do with professionalism than competition. Trust is relative because you have court cases in the UK where aggrieved people go to.

In Nigeria, the court process is not that easy and takes unnecessary time.

Now, to the real issue of demos

My take on demos is that a lot of clients usually ask for demos from so many people, pick out the advantages or good points and look for any one that can collect the smallest fee to implement. Whether the project turns out well or not is another matter entirely.

If you have all the time in the world to be doing free demos anytime you are asked to develop a project then I must admit that you have a lot of time on your hands.

The day a bank will open an account for me and allow me to run it for a few days (read as demo) or Nokia will provide me with the latest phone to try out for a few weeks (read as demo) without paying is the day I will consider spending my time on free demos.

Well if you say that, pple don't really work like that here, like I said its all work ethics honesty as well. Mostly its all about your portfolio and references from previous contract, asking for demo, is just far fetched, and besides you can show graphical demo of your work so no excuse there.

I called a client I landed 2 weeks ago this morning to provide him feedback on the goings-on of this site. After we were done, he says, "I just want to say I am very impressed with your services. You never let me ask you a question. You keep me abreast a tall times"

Sometime last year, another client said pretty much the above but in addition, said, "What impresses me the most is that you are a Nigerian (client is Nigerian). Not many of us are the way you are".

The above comments are what I want to hear ALWAYS. Tell me why they wouldn't refer you to someone else or trust you with a million dollars with their eyes closed and go to bed knowing that what they wanted you to do will be done?

yawa-ti-de:
I called a client I landed 2 weeks ago this morning to provide him feedback on the goings-on of this site. After we were done, he says, "I just want to say I am very impressed with your services. You never let me ask you a question. You keep me abreast a tall times"

Sometime last year, another client said pretty much the above but in addition, said, "What impresses me the most is that you are a Nigerian (client is Nigerian). Not many of us are the way you are".

The above comments are what I want to hear ALWAYS. Tell me why they wouldn't refer you to someone else or trust you with a million dollars with their eyes closed and go to bed knowing that what they wanted you to do will be done?

This is the sort of thing I am talking about, all about the reference and feed back you get, that is what one should use to discover if a developer is doing well, you may be a great developer, but if you don't ever understand what your clients want then it will never work, well said yawa.

Yeah Kolitos, that is why I treat my existing customers well and prefer referrals only - before contacting you, potential clients already know who you are, how much you charge and your work ethic. In other words, less stress

I am glad that discussion is seriously going on concerning this topic but my challenge now is that just as he fails to pick up my calls he is also not responding now.
My clients are not pleased with me.
What is the way forward?

nhoj:
I am glad that discussion is seriously going on concerning this topic but my challenge now is that just as he fails to pick up my calls he is also not responding now.
My clients are not pleased with me.
What is the way forward?

Look for reliable web developers simple. Unfortunately, a lot of people make mistakes before getting things right but it is very possible for you to do things right the first time and all the time.

Yep, Afam has pretty much said it all. But, how do you find these good developers. It starts with an interview. It's not just about "can I see your works?". If need be, and this applies to all on here, introduce the person on here and I will conduct the interviews myself, free of charge. Granted it will not be as good as a face-to-face, you can rest assured that I will be able to provide at least 80% cover for you