Olu317:
I agree with you in totality because Yoruba always believe good thing can come out of every individual if such was willing. This was the blunder of Herbert Macaulay. Even Awolowo did blundered too on such instance too when he formed alliance with an Ibo during the third Republic. And instead, the Ibos voted for Shehu Shagari . Perhaps, a bigger cross for Yorubas to carry.

Oh yes, clapperton didn't want to blow it out of proportion. And it saved us though because it was a time when European education was far ahead of us. Despite the fact that our ancestors didn't forget where they came from. The Bronze castings, Traditions, customs, Beads making etc speaks of our identity. Many Yoruba historians don't work which is the reason I see the United Nations Organisation's work on world history and culture don't take Yoruba historians serious because they don't even have accurate information but instead kept localising Yoruba people to West Africa, when in fact, Yoruba is a distinct group in the whole of Western Africa region. The uneducated will tell you in the olden days that their ancestors came from the East,instead the Yoruba scholars says otherwise. And non of these historians have have conclusively defend how our culture is similar to Hebrews. The Egyptians worship Ram. The Hebrews use Ram ,Heifer etc as sacrifice. Yoruba use Ram, Heifer etc as sacrifice . This is because they have studied all part of the world history which has given the detail information of the human history. There are books that specifically mentioned Canaanite worshipping ancestors, celebrate new farm produce season but in all of these, EL is worshipped as the Supreme God. This identical in Yoruba tradition and these alone testified to migrations of people to this Place. The Name Ooni came up in EGYPT but known as Onias. The position was acclaimed as a priest and descendant of Zaddok (Aaron) but somewhere along a son of David's kingly lineage got married to the Daughter of the Onias. All of these happened in Egypt. The name Onias is known in The land of Egypt as land owner and priest. Another striking thing is that in Yoruba land, it is not a crime to rebury the DEAD. This was done unto JOSEPH, when he was exhume from the land of Egypt. How can this pseudo historians are so blind to see this? Another feature is that ancients Hebrew Priests had TRIBAL marks. There is another factor which seem very striking. Such as
Chaldean's name “Aki"— Hero = Yoruba's “Aki"/“Akin" as Hero
Sumerian's name “SI"— life/exist = Yoruba's “Si" as life
Hebrew's name “Hannon" —mercy = Yoruba's “Anu"—mercy
Hebrew's name “iri"—see = Yoruba's “ri" —see etc

These are too close to be ignored. Anyway, some of us will get to the bottom of it.

Olu,

Thanks for this piece.


The Europeans have done vast studies on Yoruba and uncovered monumental facts and treasures to aid their understanding on the question of root and origin. The Portuguese have many many literatures and published works on our culture and civilization. So does Britain. Britain, out of self preservation for its own roots and to remove controversy prefer to keep its findings out of public glare. If they release what they know about Yoruba into public domain the doctrines of Christianity will have to be upgraded, and Yoruba spiritualism will be the donor for such upgrade. The global society of Judaism know who we are. The remnants of what our ancestors could not take with them on migration the Israelites acquired when they occupied Canaan. There is a cognitive awareness of Yoruba as an ancient Hebrew race. Due to the discoveries and archiving of materials collected by Leo Frobenius and his outburst on Ife civilization, the Germans and the Russians have also done vast studies on Yoruba culture and history. In fact Professor Dierk Lange did not release all his findings to the public either. He gave enough for comparison of cultures and identity between Yoruba, Assyria and Mesopotamia but he kept most of his works as proprietary assets and away from public. If he released everything it would cause new understanding on world order and civilizations and those previously upheld as civilized races may loose their position to Yoruba on the ranking list, an avoidable conflict and controversy; wisdom prevailed. The Arabs know who Yorubas are, their writings and oral record passed through the vines of caravan trade routes and was shared with Clapperton when he visited the Sultan of Sokoto. The first manuscript on the History of the Yorubas, originally composed by Samuel Johnson's brother was taken out of circulation when it got to England where it was dispatched to be published. A tenable version, revised for local consumption was published in its place. We, the Yorubas, know who we are through oral records and artifacts of history in tangible and non-tangible mediums by which we retell and document our past deeds and footprints.

The only people who are bereft of knowledge of Yoruba origin and roots are the few Yorubas taught by Europeans how to read and write their own history.

MetaPhysical:


My brother,

Aiye a yee si, Igba gbogbo a tu e l'ara.
Ase Edumare.

Ase waa ntireke.

@olu, more on the Elyon, I want to believe its the same as eniyon or eniyan, which the Yoruba have for humans. My reason for this is this: earlier on in the 'etymology of the word oyinbo', I noticed that the Ogu word for human being is gbeto, meaning 'father of life'.

That suppose to be the name of God.

It is the Creator that is the father of life, hence if the word is given in full, its actually 'gbeto yenor' meaning 'father of live's likeness'. The Egun sometimes resonated with Yoruba language, and I'm not surprise because of this:

Ifa karele, omo eranko siiri tii y'ode l'oko,
Omo fofo tii fo didun l'egun.

Our fathers believe that egun is a sweet kind of language, and that was ifas language. I think Yoruba needs to learn this language at least for its rich repertoires of her history that both shared. My drift is this:

Just as the egun refers to mankind as father of life, the Yoruba refers to mankind as Elyon or eniyan: the most high. The secret is this, it is not mankind that is eniyan, but mankind is 'omo-eniyan': children of the most high, so to say.
They eventually abandon the 'omo' part of it for 'eniyan'.the God part of the word. Although we know omo-eniyan is the same as eniyan. The hebrew refers to human being as 'son of man'.

The spirit of that word bear witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God.

Omo Eleniyan,

stay blessed.

One of the many absurdities of English language is its disconnect from true emotions. Though very romantic to the ear, it is somewhat distant when needed to convey emotiona and reality.

Take for instance "mankind". Do we have a animalkind, a plantkind, a sea-creaturekind? Mankind would mean someone not fully man...but just an image of man. Who then is man, a deity? It cycles back to your point on son of man and eniyan...perfect observation with the usage of Elyon.

MetaPhysical:



Olu,

Thanks for this piece.


The Europeans have done vast studies on Yoruba and uncovered monumental facts and treasures to aid their understanding on the question of root and origin. The Portuguese have many many literatures and published works on our culture and civilization. So does Britain. Britain, out of self preservation for its own roots and to remove controversy prefer to keep its findings out of public glare. If they release what they know about Yoruba into public domain the doctrines of Christianity will have to be upgraded, and Yoruba spiritualism will be the donor for such upgrade. The global society of Judaism know who we are. The remnants of what our ancestors could not take with them on migration the Israelites acquired when they occupied Canaan. There is a cognitive awareness of Yoruba as an ancient Hebrew race. Due to the discoveries and archiving of materials collected by Leo Frobenius and his outburst on Ife civilization, the Germans and the Russians have also done vast studies on Yoruba culture and history. In fact Professor Dierk Lange did not release all his findings to the public either. He gave enough for comparison of cultures and identity between Yoruba, Assyria and Mesopotamia but he kept most of his works as proprietary assets and away from public. If he released everything it would cause new understanding on world order and civilizations and those previously upheld as civilized races may loose their position to Yoruba on the ranking list, an avoidable conflict and controversy; wisdom prevailed. The Arabs know who Yorubas are, their writings and oral record passed through the vines of caravan trade routes and was shared with Clapperton when he visited the Sultan of Sokoto. The first manuscript on the History of the Yorubas, originally composed by Samuel Johnson's brother was taken out of circulation when it got to England where it was dispatched to be published. A tenable version, revised for local consumption was published in its place. We, the Yorubas, know who we are through oral records and artifacts of history in tangible and non-tangible mediums by which we retell and document our past deeds and footprints.

The only people who are bereft of knowledge of Yoruba origin and roots are the few Yorubas taught by Europeans how to read and write their own history.

This is breathtaking and very profound. Thers something about the Yoruba race than meet the eyes.

MetaPhysical:



Olu,

Thanks for this piece.


The Europeans have done vast studies on Yoruba and uncovered monumental facts and treasures to aid their understanding on the question of root and origin. The Portuguese have many many literatures and published works on our culture and civilization. So does Britain. Britain, out of self preservation for its own roots and to remove controversy prefer to keep its findings out of public glare. If they release what they know about Yoruba into public domain the doctrines of Christianity will have to be upgraded, and Yoruba spiritualism will be the donor for such upgrade. The global society of Judaism know who we are. The remnants of what our ancestors could not take with them on migration the Israelites acquired when they occupied Canaan. There is a cognitive awareness of Yoruba as an ancient Hebrew race. Due to the discoveries and archiving of materials collected by Leo Frobenius and his outburst on Ife civilization, the Germans and the Russians have also done vast studies on Yoruba culture and history. In fact Professor Dierk Lange did not release all his findings to the public either. He gave enough for comparison of cultures and identity between Yoruba, Assyria and Mesopotamia but he kept most of his works as proprietary assets and away from public. If he released everything it would cause new understanding on world order and civilizations and those previously upheld as civilized races may loose their position to Yoruba on the ranking list, an avoidable conflict and controversy; wisdom prevailed. The Arabs know who Yorubas are, their writings and oral record passed through the vines of caravan trade routes and was shared with Clapperton when he visited the Sultan of Sokoto. The first manuscript on the History of the Yorubas, originally composed by Samuel Johnson's brother was taken out of circulation when it got to England where it was dispatched to be published. A tenable version, revised for local consumption was published in its place. We, the Yorubas, know who we are through oral records and artifacts of history in tangible and non-tangible mediums by which we retell and document our past deeds and footprints.

The only people who are bereft of knowledge of Yoruba origin and roots are the few Yorubas taught by Europeans how to read and write their own history.

I agree with you. In fact the Yoruba tradition is so strong that the United Nations acknowledge it. The Christianity was a continuation of ancient Yoruba tradition which was Abure /Abore /Ibru/Hibru/Hebrews. The semblance of Hebrews and Yoruba tradition is close for a comfort. The British indeed know the Yoruba identity because the over 3,000,000+ Hebrews in the land of Egypt disappeared after the last destruction of their temple. The over 3,000,000+ could not be accounted for. It is so amazing. The Yoruba Beads making just crept up from nowhere in the 10 CE in West Africa. And every other became known about them. Bronze head with in which Ooni held in his hands a horn shows exactly the manner at which these people can conjure words and making become instantaneously effective like the Hebrews. The IFA knowledge of God, Who can't die but ageless is too accurate with Hebrews knowledge. One of the greatest mistake some writers made was that they forgot that ALMIGHTY GOD OF THE HEBREWS were not worship by all but the PRIESTS . This is also the same way ELEDUA was worshipped by the PRIEST. I saw in a piece that Yoruba don't worship almighty God but Yoruba do. Some of our past Priest didn't trust the white at first, which was the reason they covered some important aspect of Yoruba way of worshipping God.

WORSHIP OF ELEDUA/ELEDUMARE/OLORUN IN YORUBA in such a way for appease him for protection and honouring him Almightiness

The worshipper who is a priest will make a circle of ASHES(YORUBA ;eéru) or white chak(YORUBA;efun);within the Circle, which is a symbol of eternity, then, he pours a libation of cold water, and in the center of the circle, he place the Kolanut(Yoruba;Obi) on Cotton — Yoruba Owu étùtu). He then take the kolanut, splits and holding the valve within the circle. OFTEN A WHITE FOWL (YORUBA; ADIE FUNFUN) IS OFFERED IN THE SAME WAY.

THERE ARE TRACES OF SIMILARITY WITH THE HEBREWS.

That Oduduwa is Olofin and one of his descendants whose offspring founded Isheri was associated with that title cannot imply that Oduduwa was from a place founded after he had departed. Note that Idanre in Ondo state was founded for one of his sons who was also known as Olofin and was nicknamed Ohun and whose two elder brothers were nicknamed Ashe and Epe and who took the original Are that is Oduduwa's crown with him to Idanre.

The -won in Atewonro as to do with chain not ewo/taboo

Oduduwa is neither white nor a she. He was not Ooni as seen in the attached image below of an excerpt from page 55 of John Wyndham's 1921 book "Myths of Ife" with the sources of the information theirein being the then Ooni and his Araba. According to them, Odum'la (Adimula) was the first Ooni and his role was to be the spokesperson for the gods that had just returned to orun, and Oduduwa was the first to return.

Luwoo Gbagida was an usurper noted for an unpleasant reign and emerged as Ooni long after Oduduwa.

I'll reply to more comments tomorrow by Ifa's grace, due to the anti-spam bot.

amor4ce:
That Oduduwa is Olofin and one of his descendants whose offspring founded Isheri was associated with that title cannot imply that Oduduwa was from a place founded after he had departed. Note that Idanre in Ondo state was founded for one of his sons who was also known as Olofin and was nicknamed Ohun and whose two elder brothers were nicknamed Ashe and Epe and who took the original Are that is Oduduwa's crown with him to Idanre.

The -won in Atewonro as to do with chain not ewo/taboo

Oduduwa is neither white nor a she. He was not Ooni as seen in the attached image below of an excerpt from page 55 of John Wyndham's 1921 book "Myths of Ife" with the sources of the information theirein being the then Ooni and his Araba. According to them, Odum'la (Adimula) was the first Ooni and his role was to be the spokesperson for the gods that had just returned to orun, and Oduduwa was the first to return.

Luwoo Gbagida was an usurper noted for an unpleasant reign and emerged as Ooni long after Oduduwa.

I'll reply to more comments tomorrow by Ifa's grace, due to the anti-spam bot.

Perspectives differ.

I didn't offer any perspective but facts.
That period after the expulsion of the oyinbo that Oranmiyan took over the reins of power from Ogun, Ife his reign was engulfed in crises. So he met with his awos who told him te messag of Ifa to to "feed" his father which he bagan feeding Oduduwa. However, there was no improvement so he met with them again and Ifa told him that the perfon he had been feeding was not his father. Upon further investigation he discovered that Ogun was his actual father. Recall that when Ogun was Oduduwa's general he once brought home as part of his booty from one of his military expeditions a woman callef Lakonge who was also a divinity. Oduduwa then demanded that he surrender her to him which he did and Oduduwa "knew" her. But Ogun had already slept with her. The result was a giant (due to his peculiar parentage) who was both light and dark complexioned. This giant was the first post-flood incarnation of Oranmiyan (biblical Nimrod) who first reigned in Oko (Cush) that is now Oke Ona Egba. When he began feeding Ogun, the crises was no more and his name was changed from Oranloyan to Oranmiyan. The name of the odu where this is recorded is Ogunda Oshe; when it comes out during Ifa consultation, the client is told that the person s/he thinks is his/her father is not his/her biological father. Now, could Oranmiyan have thought of Oduduwa as his mother and also Lakonge who breastfed him and was captured by Ogun?

absoluteSuccess:


Ase waa ntireke.

@olu, more on the Elyon, I want to believe its the same as eniyon or eniyan, which the Yoruba have for humans. My reason for this is this: earlier on in the 'etymology of the word oyinbo', I noticed that the Ogu word for human being is gbeto, meaning 'father of life'.

That suppose to be the name of God.

It is the Creator that is the father of life, hence if the word is given in full, its actually 'gbeto yenor' meaning 'father of live's likeness'. The Egun sometimes resonated with Yoruba language, and I'm not surprise because of this:

Ifa karele, omo eranko siiri tii y'ode l'oko,
Omo fofo tii fo didun l'egun.

Our fathers believe that egun is a sweet kind of language, and that was ifas language. I think Yoruba needs to learn this language at least for its rich repertoires of her history that both shared. My drift is this:

Just as the egun refers to mankind as father of life, the Yoruba refers to mankind as Elyon or eniyan: the most high. The secret is this, it is not mankind that is eniyan, but mankind is 'omo-eniyan': children of the most high, so to say.
They eventually abandon the 'omo' part of it for 'eniyan'.the God part of the word. Although we know omo-eniyan is the same as eniyan. The hebrew refers to human being as 'son of man'.

The spirit of that word bear witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God.

Omo Eleniyan,

stay blessed.

This is another perspective to it. And It could be true to some extent because “the Christian Bible's account of JESUS existence, always mention “son of man ", and I haven't been able to comprehensively understand why such reference. Although I know Adam was the first created by God, but Jesus never reference himself as son of Adam . Instead his account is always from ABOVE when he talked about himself. And he always calls himself son of MAN. Perhaps this could truly meaning of it. To be honest with you , the world researchers haven't be able to truly identify the ancient Hebrews language because there are flaws in some aspects of the translation.. It is a known fact that Egyptians territory span through the land of Israeli and nearly the total part of Euphrates river. Then at the time J – OSI – AH was killed during the war against Egypt. The name of the new king was J –E– H–O– AH –Z –AH and he was dethroned by the Egyptian Pharaoh Necho , taken to Egypt with his family and his two years older brother installed, Whose name was J–E–H– O– AKI –M/N and his name was changed by the Egyptian Pharaoh to EL–I –AKI–M/N, which meant the language they were all speaking must have been UNIFIED LANGUAGE that could be understood by both the Egyptian and HEBREW PEOPLE. Some of these names are still regular within same context with Yorubas. This is language must still be thoroughly investigated. Omo Ele niyan may therefore pass for it. Considering “El" in Yoruba language that denote all encompassing.

The Owon- in the odu Owonrin Meji and the secondary Owonrin odus has to do with scarcity, difficulty in making profit, going by the data in their stanzas in particular.
The calabash of an upper and lower half with the upper representing the sky and the lower representing the earth, as noted by AB Ellis in his 1894 book "Yoruba-Speaking People of the Slave Coast of West Africa" is not of Obatala and Oduduwa respectively but of Obatala and Ilẹ. The union of Obatala and Ile resulted in the birth of Aganju who is Ilẹ Gbigbona the god of lava (magma when underground) which is always associated with Ile. The proof is in a simple comparison of the relevant natural phenomena associated with each of them as their signatures. Forr instance, just as magma emerges from within the ground, Aganju Is borne by Ile. If Aganju is associated thus with Ile, how then can the mother of Aganju be Oduduwa? Obviously the Oduduwa as a woman story from Ado Odo is a mischievous invention to "ya" (pervert) the true account. Ado-Odo is of the Ajẹ whose home is Ọta that is of Ado-Odo. The Iyami those Ajẹ rejected by Olodumare for rebellion and 7 of them survived the flood. The "ya" in Iyami is "to pervert", akin to the gravitational lensing of light by black holes, and has nothing to do with the "ya" in Iya for mother which is even pronounced differently. Why "ya" the obvious?

amor4ce:
The Owon- in the odu Owonrin Meji and the secondary Owonrin odus has to do with scarcity, difficulty in making profit, going by the data in their stanzas in particular.
The calabash of an upper and lower half with the upper representing the sky and the lower representing the earth, as noted by AB Ellis in his 1894 book "Yoruba-Speaking People of the Slave Coast of West Africa" is not of Obatala and Oduduwa respectively but of Obatala and Ilẹ. The union of Obatala and Ile resulted in the birth of Aganju who is Ilẹ Gbigbona the god of lava (magma when underground) which is always associated with Ile. The proof is in a simple comparison of the relevant natural phenomena associated with each of them as their signatures. Forr instance, just as magma emerges from within the ground, Aganju Is borne by Ile. If Aganju is associated thus with Ile, how then can the mother of Aganju be Oduduwa? Obviously the Oduduwa as a woman story from Ado Odo is a mischievous invention to "ya" (pervert) the true account. Ado-Odo is of the Ajẹ whose home is Ọta that is of Ado-Odo. The Iyami those Ajẹ rejected by Olodumare for rebellion and 7 of them survived the flood. The "ya" in Iyami is "to pervert", akin to the gravitational lensing of light by black holes, and has nothing to do with the "ya" in Iya for mother which is even pronounced differently. Why "ya" the obvious?

Thanks,

Ado Odo and Ota are sister states.

Record has it that the Ifa tradition was transferred from Ota to the almighty Oyo: it is great when our invention is used against us.

Ride on bro.

Hello brothers.
This word Ado is very grounded in Yoruba ancestry. I think Ido, Odo, Udo, Edo and so on are the many variants of the primal Ado.

There is a tribe of Arabs referred as the "the lost Arabs" or "the perished Arabs". Of the clans formed by Yarub they were the only one unaccounted for till today, no one know where they are - the lost Arabs! Midyan in Arabia was their original territory. The other Arabs say the reason for their perish because they rebelled against God so he destroyed their land and scattered them abroad. He sent Prophet Hud ( Lot) to visit and admonish them but their atrocities were great that God himself wiped them out. It is argued that this account itself is biased since the narrative is one sided. It seemed the tribes used these people as scapegoats to carry their sins and blames since their whereabouts are unknown. They are called The People of Ad. Their story is in Bible and Quran, but of course much of whats in Quran are stories from Bible itself.

Then there is also the claim that Ogun Lakaye Oshinmole is Ishmael. Wow wetin persin no hear finish from bloggers. The lineage of Islam came from Ishmael and the ram sacrifice in honour of Ishameal is a pillar of the faith just like blood of dog is used in sacrifice to honor Oshinmole. After this story I began thinking if Oshiomhole was named after Ogun sef. . Who knows? Lara don enter one chance be that.

What do you learned people think, too much fabu out there, but no clarity on what is truthful and what is lie.

BabaRamota1980:
Hello brothers.
This word Ado is very grounded in Yoruba ancestry. I think Ido, Odo, Udo, Edo and so on are the many variants of the primal Ado.

There is a tribe of Arabs referred as the "the lost Arabs" or "the perished Arabs". Of the clans formed by Yarub they were the only one unaccounted for till today, no one know where they are - the lost Arabs! Midyan in Arabia was their original territory. The other Arabs say the reason for their perish because they rebelled against God so he destroyed their land and scattered them abroad. He sent Prophet Hud ( Lot) to visit and admonish them but their atrocities were great that God himself wiped them out. It is argued that this account itself is biased since the narrative is one sided. It seemed the tribes used these people as scapegoats to carry their sins and blames since their whereabouts are unknown. They are called The People of Ad. Their story is in Bible and Quran, but of course much of whats in Quran are stories from Bible itself.

Then there is also the claim that Ogun Lakaye Oshinmole is Ishmael. Wow wetin persin no hear finish from bloggers. The lineage of Islam came from Ishmael and the ram sacrifice in honour of Ishameal is a pillar of the faith just like blood of dog is used in sacrifice to honor Oshinmole. After this story I began thinking if Oshiomhole was named after Ogun sef. . Who knows? Lara don enter one chance be that.

What do you learned people think, too much fabu out there, but no clarity on what is truthful and what is lie.

Wow babaramo! You no go kee person.

On a serious note, you made a good point worthy of investigation. Ado is the term that rhymes with the ancient Yoruba version.

Can we have these as encyclopedia of a sort please.
I think the Samuel Johnson version of Yoruba history had alot of wrong descriptions of Yoruba tribes forming the very existence of all groups from the perspective of Oyo Empire which was the youngest of the generations if Yoruba kingdoms,much you get than Ugbo and Ife
Samuel Johnson made derogatory remarks for instance on Ijesa and Ijebu while also not being able to make any tangible description of Ekiti and the Ife throne.

My question is, how do we describe the distinct tribes of the Yoruba and their places in the Yoruba history?

This is an amazing eye opener. I need more info on Setilu, Orunmila and Ela

mandarin:
Can we have these as encyclopedia of a sort please.
I think the Samuel Johnson version of Yoruba history had alot of wrong descriptions of Yoruba tribes forming the very existence of all groups from the perspective of Oyo Empire which was the youngest of the generations if Yoruba kingdoms,much you get than Ugbo and Ife
Samuel Johnson made derogatory remarks for instance on Ijesa and Ijebu while also not being able to make any tangible description of Ekiti and the Ife throne.

My question is, how do we describe the distinct tribes of the Yoruba and their places in the Yoruba history?

Both Samuel Ajayi Crowther and Samuel Johnson did blundered on part of Yoruba history because, they were biased towards ILE IFE and others in their historical perspective. Oyo ILE was the most mingled amongst the clans of Yoruba descendants because of the historical setting of the foundation of the Ajaka and Ajaokuta. There is no iota of doubt that around 17th century, Oyo became a well organised and mighty Kingdom. And hence it took over the military expansionism of Yoruba toward different groups once Yorubas were attacked. And no one has ever questioned such right but these gentlemen writers did great havoc by pronouncing pseudo information as it regard ILE IFE and others. In fact, virtually the information credited to ILE IFE WERE TOTALLY FALSE as it regard the true tradition of Yorubas. ILE IFE's OONI is the Supreme king and from him, all princes collect princely swords to anywhere they decide to go , once leaving ILE IFE. The BINI has Caste of figurine of OONI around 14th century, how could Alaafin become head king of Yoruba land when in fact Alaafin after Oranmiyan left were initiated into IFA by Ado ? It is so pathetic reading the wickedness of such script that's tried to ruin Yoruba history. Ekiti became a generic because of the features of the place, which were due to the mountains around the environment. Ekiti spread across to Kwara state. And each community identifies with Ekiti and her founder's name once they arrived at the location. This was how each group identify with her neighbours. Then during inter clan or intra clan unrest. Another factor is that people or Traditional priests can migrate willingly or according to IFA dictate to another environment. This is the reason, Panegyric can easily be used to trace one's ancestors lineage in Yoruba land irrespective where one claims as place of origin.

BabaRamota1980:
Hello brothers.
This word Ado is very grounded in Yoruba ancestry. I think Ido, Odo, Udo, Edo and so on are the many variants of the primal Ado.

There is a tribe of Arabs referred as the "the lost Arabs" or "the perished Arabs". Of the clans formed by Yarub they were the only one unaccounted for till today, no one know where they are - the lost Arabs! Midyan in Arabia was their original territory. The other Arabs say the reason for their perish because they rebelled against God so he destroyed their land and scattered them abroad. He sent Prophet Hud ( Lot) to visit and admonish them but their atrocities were great that God himself wiped them out. It is argued that this account itself is biased since the narrative is one sided. It seemed the tribes used these people as scapegoats to carry their sins and blames since their whereabouts are unknown. They are called The People of Ad. Their story is in Bible and Quran, but of course much of whats in Quran are stories from Bible itself.

Then there is also the claim that Ogun Lakaye Oshinmole is Ishmael. Wow wetin persin no hear finish from bloggers. The lineage of Islam came from Ishmael and the ram sacrifice in honour of Ishameal is a pillar of the faith just like blood of dog is used in sacrifice to honor Oshinmole. After this story I began thinking if Oshiomhole was named after Ogun sef. . Who knows? Lara don enter one chance be that.

What do you learned people think, too much fabu out there, but no clarity on what is truthful and what is lie.

Ishmael and Isaac history, has proven the Bible right as it regard the descendants of Abraham's servant maid of Egypt origin who gave birth to Ishmael because the Bible specifically mentioned that Descendants of Ishmael ( Arabs) will be a wild ass in the world but will be very blessed too. The Ram was associated with Isaac and not Ishmael. And this has been proven again because Islam existed between four –five hundred (400–500) years after Jesus had left ( A. D) . And the Hebrews were practicing the tradition before Islam came to existence and to be accepted by the Arabs. Ogun oshinmole cannot be Ismael. I hope it is a joke oooo. Imole was a cult of ancient Odu'a group. Yoruba language many times can be misleading if one look at method in use to translate it. However, I want to adhere to one major ancient meaning of Ado as a temporary habitual environment from their original abode.

Olu317:
Ishmael and Isaac history, has proven the Bible right as it regard the descendants of Abraham's servant maid of Egypt origin who gave birth to Ishmael because the Bible specifically mentioned that Descendants of Ishmael ( Arabs) will be a wild ass in the world but will be very blessed too. The Ram was associated with Isaac and not Ishmael. And this has been proven again because Islam existed between four –five hundred (400–500) years after Jesus had left ( A. D) . And the Hebrews were practicing the tradition before Islam came to existence and to be accepted by the Arabs. Ogun oshinmole cannot be Ismael. I hope it is a joke oooo. Imole was a cult of ancient Odu'a group. Yoruba language many times can be misleading if one look at method in use to translate it. However, I want to adhere to one major ancient meaning of Ado as a temporary habitual environment from their original abode.

Thanks bro. When it comes to all these spiritual talks im a layman but i try to follow along. Sometimes i get it, most times i dont. Have you read a online blogger called janice on genesis? This person has written things that confuse me more than they guide me. I see someone mentioned dierk lange. I agree that professor is hiding a lot of what he knows but the ones he shares are like speaking tongues in my ears. . Then i also read tony smith and his scientific approach to explain Ifa and i folllow along but its all complex and it becomes boring. Its a lot out there. The ones that have unlocked Yoruba history myths and roots are so stingy with what they know that the little they share have also been carefully packaged to cause more confusion and reveal less. Wicked! . Everybody eslse is spinning fantasy. But you see the fantasy sound sweet for consumption. Hahahahahaha...

BabaRamota1980:


Thanks bro. When it comes to all these spiritual talks im a layman but i try to follow along. Sometimes i get it, most times i dont. Have you read a online blogger called janice on genesis? This person has written things that confuse me more than they guide me. I see someone mentioned dierk lange. I agree that professor is hiding a lot of what he knows but the ones he shares are like speaking tongues in my ears. . Then i also read tony smith and his scientific approach to explain Ifa and i folllow along but its all complex and it becomes boring. Its a lot out there. The ones that have unlocked Yoruba history myths and roots are so stingy with what they know that the little they share have also been carefully packaged to cause more confusion and reveal less. Wicked! . Everybody eslse is spinning fantasy. But you see the fantasy sound sweet for consumption. Hahahahahaha...

LOL

All that this says is that you have to become a pundit yourself.

BabaRamota1980:


Thanks bro. When it comes to all these spiritual talks im a layman but i try to follow along. Sometimes i get it, most times i dont. Have you read a online blogger called janice on genesis? This person has written things that confuse me more than they guide me. I see someone mentioned dierk lange. I agree that professor is hiding a lot of what he knows but the ones he shares are like speaking tongues in my ears. . Then i also read tony smith and his scientific approach to explain Ifa and i folllow along but its all complex and it becomes boring. Its a lot out there. The ones that have unlocked Yoruba history myths and roots are so stingy with what they know that the little they share have also been carefully packaged to cause more confusion and reveal less. Wicked! . Everybody eslse is spinning fantasy. But you see the fantasy sound sweet for consumption. Hahahahahaha...

Of course, it is possible for some people to try as much out of love and conviction to agree to the fact that Yoruba are exceptional people in West Africa. Honestly, there is nothing as beautiful knowing fully well one's identity and being proud of it. This is not about unnecessary attachment to Israel but the semblance are too much. As far back as 13th century upward, people have had to wonder the reason the Yoruba have distinct identity. Verifying account of some Muslim scholars will still expose, the reality about appreciating the Yoruba people as a whole. Although there are some fabled story as you had rightly mentioned but not as denying the semblance in Yoruba with Hebrews. Take for instance again , the Yoruba have the highest twin birth in the world and the ancient Hebrews were the ones with twins birth ? Why do Yoruba women give birth without much complication like the ancient Hebrew women in the ancient times ? Why do Yoruba Use Heifer's Horn likened (while animal blood is pour on it to make potent) to the ancient Hebrews does to conjure words into becoming a reality? Despite the use of the horn, Yoruba don't worship horn or Ram or heifer etc , The whole world are looking for the lost ten tribes of Israel because they were the largest group driven into excel by God. And Yoruba history support many of these accounts of Far East migration. Below is 14th century king of ILE IFE,whose caste status was found at Bini palace. Critically look at the Caste and observe if it is comparable to any king in West Africa. The sculpture is none like West Africa's king.

mandarin:
Can we have these as encyclopedia of a sort please.
I think the Samuel Johnson version of Yoruba history had alot of wrong descriptions of Yoruba tribes forming the very existence of all groups from the perspective of Oyo Empire which was the youngest of the generations if Yoruba kingdoms,much you get than Ugbo and Ife
Samuel Johnson made derogatory remarks for instance on Ijesa and Ijebu while also not being able to make any tangible description of Ekiti and the Ife throne.

My question is, how do we describe the distinct tribes of the Yoruba and their places in the Yoruba history?

Every Yoruba tribe is connected one unto another. Yoruba history serve the tribes as religious scroll from which each and every tribe pick her name. More like christians pick the word from the bible and register this for corporate identity.

Also, the Yoruba ancestors were the orisa, more like the saints of their religion or their history. History is intertwined with Yoruba religion because makers of Yoruba history raises altar anywhere they camp, this alter often outlive the founders.

The history of the community and the cultural believe thus revolve around the ancestral landmark altar. I believe the Yoruba ancestor were coalition of migrants from various walks of life with fledging culture before resettling in Yorubaland.

Those trying to connect the Igbo people with Obatala should instead be objective by considering also those mentioned in Ifa stanzas as having been excommunicated into the Igbo (bush, forest, wilderness). An example is Edun beleje the progenitor of gorillas who was initially serving under Obatala and was responsible for deformities in humans but falsely accused his master before Olodumare of getting drunk on palm wine and thus being the culprit. When his lie was exposed he was expelled and cursed with madness. Ifa has it that viable ape-human hybrids exist. For instance, the highly regarded red savannah Patas Guenon monkey called Ijimere (aka Amu'ludun "one who brings sweetness to the kingdom" is the result of a gorilla raping a woman known as Iya Mọsẹ who was the wife of a king. Could this gorilla have sired others that way who turned out looking like humans yet exhibiting gorilla behavioural traits? How did this gorilla have the consciousness to rape a woman and what for?

BabaRamota1980:


Thanks bro. When it comes to all these spiritual talks im a layman but i try to follow along. Sometimes i get it, most times i dont. Have you read a online blogger called janice on genesis? This person has written things that confuse me more than they guide me. I see someone mentioned dierk lange. I agree that professor is hiding a lot of what he knows but the ones he shares are like speaking tongues in my ears. . Then i also read tony smith and his scientific approach to explain Ifa and i folllow along but its all complex and it becomes boring. Its a lot out there. The ones that have unlocked Yoruba history myths and roots are so stingy with what they know that the little they share have also been carefully packaged to cause more confusion and reveal less. Wicked! . Everybody eslse is spinning fantasy. But you see the fantasy sound sweet for consumption. Hahahahahaha...

Yeah, I understand your point bro. But you see, there are some of us that are positioned to open the eyes of some of our contemporaries that seems to be emotionally attached to Afrocentrism. Although, there isn't any crime being proud about the role God has positioned Africa continent among the continent of the world, which has about 90% of the world resources deposited in her. And this things are divine for some of us who attach divinity to everything to nearly all our daily activities. While the doggedly scientists will claim it is all the work of NATURE. However, Spiritualism is always ahead of physicalism,which is the school of thought I belong. As far as some people misinterpret the IFA corpulent and think it is all about things that had to do with the past. And not been able to understand that IFA speaks in proverbs, provide leeway to appease one's Eleda, direct one's path to greatness as well as advice against dangers etc . There are so many things that our forefathers left as a link to show us where we came from, even if there were no concrete written evidence. The sculpture , beads production, clothing design pattern, the way orisa shrine are built within its closeness to one's house, the way our huts houses were built in the olden days which was exactly how it was built in part of North Africa, the type of arrow we used,which were similar to North Africans, etc Show who our ancestors were and the direction they came through . Evidences keeps coming out to proof that we are the children of Abraham even if Yoruba didn't claim it openly like Ibos do . It is only in the Bible that it was told to Abraham by God that his DESCENDANTS will occupy every corner of the world .And the Yoruba oral history specifically mentioned in her oral historical account that all the world descended her. It was laughable in the past because it looked ridiculous but today DNA again has provided evidences that there are many people in the world having Yoruba DNA link. If Yoruba oral history is being condemned, what about the proof of the DNA? All of these point to the direction of Yoruba people as children of Abraham.

BabaRamota1980:
Hello brothers.
This word Ado is very grounded in Yoruba ancestry. I think Ido, Odo, Udo, Edo and so on are the many variants of the primal Ado.

There is a tribe of Arabs referred as the "the lost Arabs" or "the perished Arabs". Of the clans formed by Yarub they were the only one unaccounted for till today, no one know where they are - the lost Arabs! Midyan in Arabia was their original territory. The other Arabs say the reason for their perish because they rebelled against God so he destroyed their land and scattered them abroad. He sent Prophet Hud ( Lot) to visit and admonish them but their atrocities were great that God himself wiped them out. It is argued that this account itself is biased since the narrative is one sided. It seemed the tribes used these people as scapegoats to carry their sins and blames since their whereabouts are unknown. They are called The People of Ad. Their story is in Bible and Quran, but of course much of whats in Quran are stories from Bible itself.

Then there is also the claim that Ogun Lakaye Oshinmole is Ishmael. Wow wetin persin no hear finish from bloggers. The lineage of Islam came from Ishmael and the ram sacrifice in honour of Ishameal is a pillar of the faith just like blood of dog is used in sacrifice to honor Oshinmole. After this story I began thinking if Oshiomhole was named after Ogun sef. . Who knows? Lara don enter one chance be that.

What do you learned people think, too much fabu out there, but no clarity on what is truthful and what is lie.

I think you may be upto something here. This assertion on Ad being Ado should not be dismissed. Without going into elaborate length here, below, are a few similar name pairs or cognates that are not accidental or coincidences but factual link.

mandarin:
Can we have these as encyclopedia of a sort please.
I think the Samuel Johnson version of Yoruba history had alot of wrong descriptions of Yoruba tribes forming the very existence of all groups from the perspective of Oyo Empire which was the youngest of the generations if Yoruba kingdoms,much you get than Ugbo and Ife
Samuel Johnson made derogatory remarks for instance on Ijesa and Ijebu while also not being able to make any tangible description of Ekiti and the Ife throne.

My question is, how do we describe the distinct tribes of the Yoruba and their places in the Yoruba history?

Sometimes I wonder if the chroniclers of the Bible and those who translated the heiroglyphics and cuneiforms records of ancient Assyrian, Mesopotamian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Canaan, Accadian civilizations, got the pronounciation wrong; and if indeed the Yoruba spelling and pronounciation is the true original for the named places, regions and individuals as well as their titles recorded into Biblical accounts and history.

For instance, in the treaty of Lagos of 1864, Ashogbon, the head of the Idejo Chiefs, was recorded as Acheampong. Before invasion into Lagos the British sailors had sojourned in Slave Coast (Ghana) and were familiar with a Chief of the Akan named Acheampong. They approximated Ashogbon's name to what was pre-existing in their lexicon of African names. Unlike Acheampong which is a name, Ashogbon is a title. Dosunmu was written as Docemo. Ijebu was written as Jeboo and Oyo as Eyeo.

We need an assignment, to appoint taskmasters to comb through the Bible and find similars for Yoruba sounding words and list those. Then we need anthropologists, Yoruba language experts, historians, linguists and polyglots that will inspect the name list and decode them and use the criterias of (a) intelligibility; (b) comprehensibility and (c) interpretability, to find positive match or exclude .

Here are some:
Arkite - Ekiti
Amorite - Awori
Idumea - Idu
Nineveh - Ile Ife
Moses - Moshe
Jesus - Esu
Orisen - Orisa
Aaron - Aare
Magog, Gog and Og - Magongo and Ogori
Edomite - Edo
Sargon - Sango
Ark - Aroko
Ephod - Ifa Odu
Hudud/Hadad - Oduduwa
Nimrod - Lamurudu
Aramean - Oramiyan
Ad - Ado
Lot - Ota
Elijah - Ejilu
Malachi - Malaki
Adam - Adimula
Eber - Egba
Eleazer - Lisha
Keturah - Ketu
Tyre - Itire
Jebusite - Ijebu
Girgashite - Ajashe



The following is copied from another contributor here....
https://www.nairaland.com/529907/resurgence-life-yoruba-footprint-history/2#7068269


In addition, there are thousands of cross-matched terms in both Old Hebrew and Yoruba languages.

Elohiym - (Heb - god) = Oluaye (Yob - god/goddess)

Elyown - (Heb - Supreme Being) = Olorun (Yob - Supreme Being)

Elowah/Eloahh - (Heb-GOD/deity) = Oluwa (Yob- GOD)

Eldaah - (Heb- God of knowledge/origin) = Eleda (Yob- God of creation)

Kabbiyr - (Heb- mighty of power) = Kabiyesi (Yob - mighty lord or mighty king)

Esher - (Heb - blessings/happiness) = Eshe (Yob - thanks/gratitude)

Bara - (Heb - create/begin) = Bere (Yob- start/begin)

Ba'al - (Heb - Chancellor/Mayor) = Baale (Yob - Mayor of a town or city)

Baal - (Heb- Husband) = Bale ile - (Yob- Husband/Male head of household)

Owrah - (Heb - Luminous/prosperity) = Ora (Yob - Fat/Blubber)

Owr - (Heb - Light/luminary) = Orun (Yob - Sun)

Addereth - (Heb- Garment or robe of beauty) = Adire (Yob- Indigo garment)

Ayin - (Heb - Eye) = Eyin oju (Yob - Eye) . . . . .This is also the 16th character in the semitic alpha and in ancient mystic order corresponds secret or that which should be in the custody of high priests. This is why the 'eye" is often found in mystic symbols, it denotes the 16th power. This may explain the 16 Odus of Ifa corpus.

Eyphah - (Heb - Mysterious cover or secret code) = Ifa (Yob - Oracle of divination)

Atsah/Atseh - (Heb - To close/fasten or make firm) = Ashe (Yob - Closing to prayer/command)

Am - (Heb- Tribe/flock) = Omo (Yob - Child or belonging to)

Re elayah - (Heb - Punishment/Fear) = Eleya (Yob- Disgrace/punishment)

Dowdow - (Heb - Love/loving) = Ododo (Yob - Rose petal)

Duwd - (Heb - Pot for cooking/Cauldron/Kettle) = Dudu (Yob - Black/Dark)

Amar - (Heb - Talk/tell) = Oro (Yob - Speak/talk)

Imrah (Heb - Inner utterance/wisdom) = Imoran (Yob - Intuition/wisdom)

Ga'ah - (Heb - Height/rise) = Ga (Yob - Height/tall)

Geber/Gabar - (Heb - Valiant/strong) = Agbara (Yob - Strength)

Hader/Heder - (Heb - Adorn/honor/esteem) = Idera (Yob - Honor/success/victory)

Ilm - (Heb - Knowledge) = Imo (Knowledge/understanding)


Then there are root words (tri-literal and quadri-literal) like the three following:

MRM - (semitic - Maryam) = MRM (yoruba - Moremi)

BLQS SHB - (semitic - Bilqis of Sheba) = BLKS SGB (yoruba - Bilikisu Sugbo)

MLK - (semitic - Malik - King or Ruler) = MLK (yoruba - Miliki - Opulence, enjoyment or prosperity)

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Olu317:
This is another perspective to it. And It could be true to some extent because “the Christian Bible's account of JESUS existence, always mention “son of man ", and I haven't been able to comprehensively understand why such reference. Although I know Adam was the first created by God, but Jesus never reference himself as son of Adam . Instead his account is always from ABOVE when he talked about himself. And he always calls himself son of MAN. Perhaps this could truly meaning of it. To be honest with you , the world researchers haven't be able to truly identify the ancient Hebrews language because there are flaws in some aspects of the translation.. It is a known fact that Egyptians territory span through the land of Israeli and nearly the total part of Euphrates river. Then at the time J – OSI – AH was killed during the war against Egypt. The name of the new king was J –E– H–O– AH –Z –AH and he was dethroned by the Egyptian Pharaoh Necho , taken to Egypt with his family and his two years older brother installed, Whose name was J–E–H– O– AKI –M/N and his name was changed by the Egyptian Pharaoh to EL–I –AKI–M/N, which meant the language they were all speaking must have been UNIFIED LANGUAGE that could be understood by both the Egyptian and HEBREW PEOPLE. Some of these names are still regular within same context with Yorubas. This is language must still be thoroughly investigated. Omo Ele niyan may therefore pass for it. Considering “El" in Yoruba language that denote all encompassing.

You and I know the Yoruba has no book in their antiquity that has survive till our time: but then our fathers often refer to a book of fate in their lamentation. 'Akosile omo eda ti duro', the script written about the son of man has been ordained'.

First, this line was echoed by Christ in the gospel, it is like saying 'the prophecy about the messiah is ordained' or 'the word of God concerning mankind has been written'. Then the ancient Yoruba are either quoting Christ/Christians or their ancestors.

Did ancient Yoruba have history of a book? They do: Odi, is akin to scribe. Odi ara Resa, omoba du, elekoro' koro is the art of writing with ancient Yoruba. Then, ancient Yorubas could read and write: akoka is an ability to read and write, that word ascribe to literacy amond the ancient: ako is also the word for pride.

I think we have record of ancient writers and their alphabets: I found two ancient Yoruba alphabet in the initials of Ogun that folksong preserved: Ogun koro b, t. The man Ogun has the name that started with B and another, T. That possibly are his initials.

We can study the morphology of the two letters to know more and find out how this data might be of help.

From Ado, we alludes to Onitako: that is, onita ko, meaning 'the sales recorder' or selling author. Elsewhere the same word becomes okota: selling author, ikota, bookseller, itako, best seller, record maker, sales scribe, etc.

Onitako is the title of the first ruler of Ado. The fact about an ancient Yoruba book that did not get to us is celebrated in odun idi at ile ife, it is also linked with Ela, omola rere. So the ancient could read and write as we do.

I think you guys ought to be invited to share and record some of your inputs. You guys talk like reincarnates.

So, absolutesuccess, could the HOORE mentioned by Olu have anything to do with the ending O in Yoruba word conversation?

E k'aro O
Se lafia ni O
Mo k'ago O
E n'le O
E ma wo'le O
A ti de O


Babaramota tun gbe titun de O!


What is the phenomenal or spiritual value of this O at end of sentence?


Also, on a different note regarding AWO, and this might be something for metaphysical to explain, .....is LAW (english) not a derivative of AWO (Yoruba)?


Law is a code of living within the tenets of DOs and DONTs. Same thing that AWO is, a matrix of disciplined living by observing the middle path between two extremes.

Law is material, Awo is ethereal. Kind of the dichotomy that exist between theory and application, they are interwoven.

If this explanation is valid, then the Ogboni cult and its sacred order existed as part of the etymological origin that gave us LAW and the practices of LAW, wherever or whoever the people that coined and introduced it as a chamber of study in academic scholarship.


On a last note, Yoruba Oriki, like Alabi, Alake, Abebi, Ashake, Akanke, Adio, Adele, Akanni, Alamu, Adisa...and so on, take their first two letters from prefixes used in ancient Yoruba to designate attributes and a bridge between the metaphysical and physical realms, or the unknown and the known. In essence thats what birth symbolizes....the arrival or manifestation of a link between past and present, unknown and known. We find that the exact same principle is used amongst the ancient semitic tribes when they attribute cause to God with beautiful prefixes such as Al, As, Aq, Ad, Ab, At, A'a, Ag, Ay, and so on....



To all the mods reading this thread and not making action to move to front page....

Two days ago my wordpress app somehow "scattered" my Odun Ifa Agbaye blog post. It has now been fixed, with one major edit abt the AP. Kindly bear with me.

I'll soon return to the topic of discussion and show that one of the two that make up Edan is the first and original Ooni.

absoluteSuccess:


You and I know the Yoruba has no book in their antiquity that has survive till our time: but then our fathers often refer to a book of fate in their lamentation. 'Akosile omo eda ti duro', the script written about the son of man has been ordained'.

First, this line was echoed by Christ in the gospel, it is like saying 'the prophecy about the messiah is ordained' or 'the word of God concerning mankind has been written'. Then the ancient Yoruba are either quoting Christ/Christians or their ancestors.

Did ancient Yoruba have history of a book? They do: Odi, is akin to scribe. Odi ara Resa, omoba du, elekoro' koro is the art of writing with ancient Yoruba. Then, ancient Yorubas could read and write: akoka is an ability to read and write, that word ascribe to literacy amond the ancient: ako is also the word for pride.

I think we have record of ancient writers and their alphabets: I found two ancient Yoruba alphabet in the initials of Ogun that folksong preserved: Ogun koro b, t. The man Ogun has the name that started with B and another, T. That possibly are his initials.

We can study the morphology of the two letters to know more and find out how this data might be of help.

From Ado, we alludes to Onitako: that is, onita ko, meaning 'the sales recorder' or selling author. Elsewhere the same word becomes okota: selling author, ikota, bookseller, itako, best seller, record maker, sales scribe, etc.

Onitako is the title of the first ruler of Ado. The fact about an ancient Yoruba book that did not get to us is celebrated in odun idi at ile ife, it is also linked with Ela, omola rere. So the ancient could read and write as we do.

It's amazing to see many people think that ancient Yorubas developed technological ideology within the groove of Yoruba land. There are excavation at ILE IFE, exactly around Olokun axis, in this place there are throve over 10,000 colourful glass beads as well as evidence of glass making tools are found. Even evidence of mass cloth dyeing are found as far back as 16th–17th century, where there were signs of European, Yorubas, Arabs etc came into this area to transact . And the beads production came into being because these people have deep understanding of science and technology. Even it is among the 25 mysteriously archaeological findings on earth .Livescience.com acknowledge it. There is no iota of doubt that the Yoruba are foreigners in this environment for over a thousand years. They had knowledge of the science and technology to a large extent. And to understands the codes in ODU IFA as well as its connection to revolution of science and technology. So interesting, seeing new discoveries about Yorubas.Thank God that some Yoruba archaeologists are taking the bold steps to understand the complexity and archeological studies been carried out at this so wonderful land called ILE IFE, the first resting place of Yoruba Race. A place from which development begun and spread to other part

amor4ce:
I didn't offer any perspective but facts.
That period after the expulsion of the oyinbo that Oranmiyan took over the reins of power from Ogun, Ife his reign was engulfed in crises. So he met with his awos who told him te messag of Ifa to to "feed" his father which he bagan feeding Oduduwa. However, there was no improvement so he met with them again and Ifa told him that the perfon he had been feeding was not his father. Upon further investigation he discovered that Ogun was his actual father. Recall that when Ogun was Oduduwa's general he once brought home as part of his booty from one of his military expeditions a woman callef Lakonge who was also a divinity. Oduduwa then demanded that he surrender her to him which he did and Oduduwa "knew" her. But Ogun had already slept with her. The result was a giant (due to his peculiar parentage) who was both light and dark complexioned. This giant was the first post-flood incarnation of Oranmiyan (biblical Nimrod) who first reigned in Oko (Cush) that is now Oke Ona Egba. When he began feeding Ogun, the crises was no more and his name was changed from Oranloyan to Oranmiyan. The name of the odu where this is recorded is Ogunda Oshe; when it comes out during Ifa consultation, the client is told that the person s/he thinks is his/her father is not his/her biological father. Now, could Oranmiyan have thought of Oduduwa as his mother and also Lakonge who breastfed him and was captured by Ogun?

It is disheartening reading this piece of yours because it showed you have no deep knowledge of Adimula at all. It seems the books you read or the part of Odu IFA panegyric you know are literally interpreted by you. You are absolutely wrong about Adimula, Ogun and Oranmiyan. Ogun was not a general under his father but a warrior prince as it was a tradition and their way of life. This is because every child born must first of all be enquired about through IFA to see how his future will look like(Akosejaye) of such son. Until the period of civil war in Yoruba land,where it became an insult on other Yorubas when Modakeke attacked ILE IFE through the help of Ibadan,which was a taboo in Yoruba history. The war were fought and ILE IFE retain her glory and rest is history .The way of life of great princes revolves around war prosecutions and this was a way of life for male descendants of Adimula (Olofin). So, stop all these complicated information you have no knowledge of except you have do research on it to get your fact. The patrilineal descendants of Adimula knows much of their ancestors than you can imagine. And I laugh again at your ignorance because you equated Oranmiyan that lived around 11th century to a period when the world was evolving. Radiocarbon confirm that Opa Oranmiyan isn't as old as people fantasied about. And I guess you have to inform me how the hieroglyph on the Opa Oranmiyan isn't older than 11th century. Kindly explain how Opa Oranmiyan isn't even as old as the existence of Nok or Igbo ukwu archeology findings if you refer to his existence as during the flood period. Yes, there is reincarnation in Yoruba beliefs and I am even one of the assumed reincarnated being. I expect you to understand such assertion. But not what you postulate. Let me inform you that “UR" (Orun) are synonyms with Egypt and Israel. The three destruction that were referred to in IFA panegyric coded account in happened in Egypt. Go and verify when the panegyric interpretation of Odu IFA when it always says(Ni gba Orunmila n bo la ju lè Orun). Lakonge was a daughter Oore clan . Oore's leader was like a son to Adimula. History is there to justify the relationship between Oore and Adimula(Olofin). So, Ogun taking Lakonge and showing to his father was because she was beautiful and that's how it is in Yoruba land. You can't have a father and have wife without showing her to your father. Odu'a was not a Black man. I postulate this because the Ooni bronzes sculpture doesn't have an absolute black man's facial features. Ogun being dark was a result of his own mother . And Lakonge was fair, which explains the reason of the extremely light skin complexion of Oranmiyan and not looking as dark as Ogun. Science has also proven that, there are hormones that makes people attracted to a particular set of complexion. And being attracted to light skin is synonyms with Yorubas to a large extent. So get your facts right.....

MetaPhysical:


I think you may be upto something here. This assertion on Ad being Ado should not be dismissed. Without going into elaborate length here, below, are a few similar name pairs or cognates that are not accidental or coincidences but factual link.





Sometimes I wonder if the chroniclers of the Bible and those who translated the heiroglyphics and cuneiforms records of ancient Assyrian, Mesopotamian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Canaan, Accadian civilizations, got the pronounciation wrong; and if indeed the Yoruba spelling and pronounciation is the true original for the named places, regions and individuals as well as their titles recorded into Biblical accounts and history.

For instance, in the treaty of Lagos of 1864, Ashogbon, the head of the Idejo Chiefs, was recorded as Acheampong. Before invasion into Lagos the British sailors had sojourned in Slave Coast (Ghana) and were familiar with a Chief of the Akan named Acheampong. They approximated Ashogbon's name to what was pre-existing in their lexicon of African names. Unlike Acheampong which is a name, Ashogbon is a title. Dosunmu was written as Docemo. Ijebu was written as Jeboo and Oyo as Eyeo.

We need an assignment, to appoint taskmasters to comb through the Bible and find similars for Yoruba sounding words and list those. Then we need anthropologists, Yoruba language experts, historians, linguists and polyglots that will inspect the name list and decode them and use the criterias of (a) intelligibility; (b) comprehensibility and (c) interpretability, to find positive match or exclude .

Here are some:
Arkite - Ekiti
Amorite - Awori
Idumea - Idu
Nineveh - Ile Ife
Moses - Moshe
Jesus - Esu
Orisen - Orisa
Aaron - Aare
Magog, Gog and Og - Magongo and Ogori
Edomite - Edo
Sargon - Sango
Ark - Aroko
Ephod - Ifa Odu
Hudud/Hadad - Oduduwa
Nimrod - Lamurudu
Aramean - Oramiyan
Ad - Ado
Lot - Ota
Elijah - Ejilu
Malachi - Malaki
Adam - Adimula
Eber - Egba
Eleazer - Lisha
Keturah - Ketu
Tyre - Itire
Jebusite - Ijebu
Girgashite - Ajashe



The following is copied from another contributor here....
https://www.nairaland.com/529907/resurgence-life-yoruba-footprint-history/2#7068269


In addition, there are thousands of cross-matched terms in both Old Hebrew and Yoruba languages.

Elohiym - (Heb - god) = Oluaye (Yob - god/goddess)

Elyown - (Heb - Supreme Being) = Olorun (Yob - Supreme Being)

Elowah/Eloahh - (Heb-GOD/deity) = Oluwa (Yob- GOD)

Eldaah - (Heb- God of knowledge/origin) = Eleda (Yob- God of creation)

Kabbiyr - (Heb- mighty of power) = Kabiyesi (Yob - mighty lord or mighty king)

Esher - (Heb - blessings/happiness) = Eshe (Yob - thanks/gratitude)

Bara - (Heb - create/begin) = Bere (Yob- start/begin)

Ba'al - (Heb - Chancellor/Mayor) = Baale (Yob - Mayor of a town or city)

Baal - (Heb- Husband) = Bale ile - (Yob- Husband/Male head of household)

Owrah - (Heb - Luminous/prosperity) = Ora (Yob - Fat/Blubber)

Owr - (Heb - Light/luminary) = Orun (Yob - Sun)

Addereth - (Heb- Garment or robe of beauty) = Adire (Yob- Indigo garment)

Ayin - (Heb - Eye) = Eyin oju (Yob - Eye) . . . . .This is also the 16th character in the semitic alpha and in ancient mystic order corresponds secret or that which should be in the custody of high priests. This is why the 'eye" is often found in mystic symbols, it denotes the 16th power. This may explain the 16 Odus of Ifa corpus.

Eyphah - (Heb - Mysterious cover or secret code) = Ifa (Yob - Oracle of divination)

Atsah/Atseh - (Heb - To close/fasten or make firm) = Ashe (Yob - Closing to prayer/command)

Am - (Heb- Tribe/flock) = Omo (Yob - Child or belonging to)

Re elayah - (Heb - Punishment/Fear) = Eleya (Yob- Disgrace/punishment)

Dowdow - (Heb - Love/loving) = Ododo (Yob - Rose petal)

Duwd - (Heb - Pot for cooking/Cauldron/Kettle) = Dudu (Yob - Black/Dark)

Amar - (Heb - Talk/tell) = Oro (Yob - Speak/talk)

Imrah (Heb - Inner utterance/wisdom) = Imoran (Yob - Intuition/wisdom)

Ga'ah - (Heb - Height/rise) = Ga (Yob - Height/tall)

Geber/Gabar - (Heb - Valiant/strong) = Agbara (Yob - Strength)

Hader/Heder - (Heb - Adorn/honor/esteem) = Idera (Yob - Honor/success/victory)

Ilm - (Heb - Knowledge) = Imo (Knowledge/understanding)


Then there are root words (tri-literal and quadri-literal) like the three following:

MRM - (semitic - Maryam) = MRM (yoruba - Moremi)

BLQS SHB - (semitic - Bilqis of Sheba) = BLKS SGB (yoruba - Bilikisu Sugbo)

MLK - (semitic - Malik - King or Ruler) = MLK (yoruba - Miliki - Opulence, enjoyment or prosperity)

I have gone through this piece and indeed,it is an eye opener to see the similarity between these words. However, I want to mention here that there is an account of the Yeb to have existed in Egypt and it was a station of warriors of Hebrews during the reign of Hezekiah's military pack with Pharaoh around 4th/5th Century. Perhaps,this is the reason, sometimes, the few descendants, who are not the lineage of Judua (Udua /Odua ) don't believe the Ijebus(Yeb) are younger to the descendants of Odua because they believe they are an older clan among ISERI(Israel) in Amon (part of Egypt) . They have argued that they lived in Amon before the lineage of Odu'a(J–Udua) arrived in Amon (Omu) and they sometimes hold onto this belief . Omu Aran is a description of the identity of Aran descendants in Omu (Amon). Aran(Hebrew's Aaron) descendants are the priestly lineage of the Hebrews. Yeb in Egypt is a region which is located around the creek and accessible to water. Jebusites were a conquered people. Unlike the Ijebu Yorubas who were warriors and having similarities with other Yorubas . The jebusites are not Jeb(Yeb) . Going through the tradition of Yoruba shows that Yoruba are all related and are conscious of each other. A conquered people can't be as courageous as Jeb that have same features with other Yorubas. They are with the same aspirations to become great and excel in their chosen field.