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Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 5:12pm On Aug 15, 2017 |
Salam alaykum warahmatullah wabrakatuhu . . . . . . . . IT IS A MUST TO RECITE SURATUL FATHIA BEHIND IMAM, BUT SILENTLY. . . IF YOU PERFORM SALAT WITHOUT MAKING OR RECITING SURATUL FATHIA. . . THEN, YOU DO NOT HAVE SALAH . . .ITS A COMPULSORY AND OBLIGATORY ACT TO SAY SURATUL FATHIA IN EVERY RAKAH BE IT BEHIND IMAM OR ALONE, BE IT OBLIGATORY OR NAFILAHT,. . . its am0ng the obligatory act that makes salah complete . . . INSHA ALLAH, I WILL START WITH THE PROOFS FROM KITAB WA SUNNAH.5ete |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 6:55pm On Aug 15, 2017 |
BUKHARI 714 (no salat for who doesnt recite suratul fathia) |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 6:58pm On Aug 15, 2017 |
Abu Dawood (823) ....no salat for who doesnt read suratul ummu kithab.. suratul fathia . . . . .nt |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 7:10pm On Aug 15, 2017 |
READ OR RECITE UMMU KITAB, does it means to read ummu kitab loud or quietly? . . . sunna nasai ( volume 2, book 479, number 919) . . to imam recite quran, one(jammah) must remain silent.. when imam says takbir, u must say takbir too but silently, when he does the adkar of ruku and do urs too.. silently . . . . since there is an hadith on ummu kitab, that its a must to recite, one must understand that this hadith let us kn0w that the qirah of ummu kitab is to be recited silently according to this hadith . . .ummu kitab, takbir and adkar done in ruku is to said silently ... |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by AlBaqir(m): 2:49am On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: AbuUthaymeen: # All the above hadiths never add up to the title of your fake thread. Note that Sunni ulama has difference of interpretation to those hadiths. You only bring forth Ahmad Ibn Hanbali's view. # Your title reads, "Fatiha behind Imam". So, give us a single Hadith where Nabi says the Hadith above is applicable also to those who pray behind an Imam. # The implication of your dead fatwa is that Sahabah used to recite Fatiha silently behind their Imam, Nabi Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa ahli. Give us evidence of this?! # Reciting Fatiha behind Imam could only be possible: either you are slower or faster than Imam. Or " better still" you recite "alongside" Imam in a unison manner. It can only be one of the three. Give us Hadith to support which one Nabi approved and which one the Sahabah did, because Qur'an says: Surah Al-Hujraat, Verse 1: O you who believe! be not forward in the presence of Allah and His Apostle, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 4:11am On Aug 16, 2017 |
You mind him. I wanted him to finish with his nonsense before i interject. He doesn't know what he's doing. Wanna teach us salat in 2017 |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by PrinceGallant: 7:10am On Aug 16, 2017 |
May Allaah guide us. I once asked this question and I replied from what I read in some books that the recitation of imam is for the people behind him, that they do not need to recite but listen to him if the prayer is jahriyyah. However, I found the following Hadith later, since then I have changed my opinion and I agreed that the ma'moon must recite Fatiha of their own. The Hadith goes thus: Abu Dawood (823) narrated that ‘Ubaadah ibn as-Saamit (may Allah be pleased with him) said: We were behind the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) in Fajr prayer. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) recited, and he found it difficult to recite (due to interference). When he finished praying he said: “Perhaps you were reciting behind your imam?” We said: Yes, O Messenger of Allah. He said: “Do not do that, apart from the Opening of the Book (al-Faatihah), because there is no prayer for the one who does not recite it.” May Allaah increase us in knowledge. 3 Likes |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by AlBaqir(m): 10:50am On Aug 16, 2017 |
PrinceGallant: # Next time when you quote an Hadith, try to see if it is authentic or not. # The Hadith you quoted is DA'EEF (WEAK) https://muflihun.com/abudawood/2/823 www.Sunnah.com/abudawud/2
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Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 12:23pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Laughing hysterically. . . a kafir who says an hadith is daif. . . s0me0ne wh0 d0esnt belive in hadith says an hadith is daif? laughing . .this got me cracking . . BESIDES IS THAT HOW TO ANNOUNCE AND PRONOUNCE A HADITH DAIF? NO EXPLANATION ON THE ISNAD, NO NARRATOR, NO OTHER HADITH TO PROVE ITS DAIF and yet you say its daif. . your rate of kafir level is ast0nishing. . confirmed jahl.. dats what u are |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 12:33pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen:
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Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 12:39pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
[quote author=Empiree post=59528431][/quote]2ND JAHL DON SHOW FACE. . IF U DID UNDERSTAND AND BELIEVE IN HADITH, U WIL KN0W HOW TO SP0T AND PR0VE A HADITH TO BE WEAK. . REFRENCES KO BIBLOGRAPHY NI |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 2:04pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen:You always say nonesense when you are countered. Reciting sura Fatihah behind imam is not a must. You can't use solitary hadith as proof when there are countless other ahadith that contradict hadith that supports your argument. In that case, Quran evidence sits injudgement over conflicting ahadith. Q7:204 Besides, it is very uncomfortable when some ppl reciting behind imam. Reciting sura fatihah is ONLY a must when you pray alone whether obligatory salat or not or if you lead others. Simple |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 2:12pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Empiree:DO IT THE WAY YOU WANT.. U KUKU DO NOT HAVE SALAT TELE. . KEFERI NI E NA.. SUFI LIKE U N0NI WIL BELIEVE.. BESIDES, U PEOPLE DONT EVEN MAKE SALAT TELE NA.. E KIN KIRUN NA. . |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 2:35pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen:I have said it before. Anytime I refute you, you retort to name calling. The evidence is presented before you. I didn't make up the hadith. That's sunni ulama hadith. U can tag all sunni kufar over this. Your choice And I still have more evidences against solitary hadith you used as a proof. I was expecting you to come up with comprehensive dalil but you have failed to do that. |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 2:47pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Empiree:LAUGHING. .U SAID I CALL U NAMES, ARE U NOT A KAFHIR? THE EVIDENCE U PRESENTED ISNT EVIDENCE..1. bring the isnad 2. who am0ng the isnad make the hadith daif. 3. then bring correct hadith. 4. then bring scholars u announce the weakness of the hadith.. #lobatan# . . i don give u assignment. . run along.. dont be long |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 2:51pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Empiree:SINCE THE DAY I KNOW YOU, YOU HAVE NEVER REFUTEDANYTHING I SAY. . . o de tun pa iro.. well, keferi ni e.. u d0nt and cant see or have proof for anything and everything u wil say.. if u do not tell lies, how will you cope? laughing . . odo shia ni e ti mu iro pipa. . taqiyaa ..mura si |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 2:53pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen:the attachment I posted above (Daif) is in reference to albaqir's post. Check it well. Olodo |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 2:59pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Empiree:THIS IS AMONG THE REASONS YOU ARE AND AL BAQIR ARE KUFAR."TAKLEED" BLIND FOLLOWING OF SCHOLARS. . so because daif is written there, that is why its daif? laughing. . . the reasons its daif must be stated.. o ya, what are the reasons |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 3:14pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen:and the hadith that supports your argument, who made it sahih?. Is it not albani?. That's why you refused to quote it. Instead you posted reference number only. Matter of fact, I see Sheikh albani daif the same hadith That's what albaqir posted up there. You are dull
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Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 3:17pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Empiree:LAUGING. . I TIRE FOR YOUR MATTER O..OK. .ALBAANIY DAIF THE HADITH...WHAT IS THE PROOF ALBANNY SAID TO HAVE MAKE THE HADITH DAIF. . E. B . WELL, ITS YOUR PRAOBLJEM. . FACE IT. . |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 3:20pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen:your nonesense defeated |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 3:27pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Empiree:ANI ON WHAT PROOF DID AL BAANY DAIF THE HADITH O O O. . MU ERI WA OR SHUT UP |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 3:32pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen:Goan ask him I did not quote bcus of albany. I quoted bcus it is simply not valid considering other ahadith it is in conflic with. Besides, albany is your scholar now. Why are u running away from him |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 3:35pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
PrinceGallant:You are lazy. Advice given to you was correct. You quoted one hadith and then concluded that you find the'truth'? |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 3:36pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Empiree:Even people reading or will read this in future will clearly kn0w and see ur dolal. . keferi oshi |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 3:40pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen:it is painful when you have no counterclaim |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 3:56pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Empiree:Laughing |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 4:00pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen:I didn't even use my own argument or dalil . I used your own evidence you provided against you. What if I used other evidences - you would have jumped over the moon. Sir, your path is dolal |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Nobody: 4:10pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Empiree:this is serious. . abeg no quote me again |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 4:25pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
^ You are officially shut up. YOu have wrong manhaj, wrong ideology, zero hikma, zero insight, zero ijtihad, zero qiyas. Thats why your nonsense can not survive |
Re: Reading Suratul Fathia Behind Imam by Empiree: 4:36pm On Aug 16, 2017 |
Now, let me finish up your thread and dump it in garbage bin. Here is my line of argument with evidences I say it is not a must nor is it condition for validating salat in congregation to recite sura Fatiha behind Imam. Qur'an states: When the Qur’an is being recited then “LISTEN ATTENTIVELY AND REMAIN SILENT” so that mercy will be showered upon you".(7:204) Tafsir Ibn Kathir R.A: Imam Ibn Kathir (rah) narrates from Abu Musa al-Ash’ari (ra), Abu Huraira (ra) and Ibn Masud (ra) that this ayah was revealed regarding “REMAINING SILENT WHEN IMAM RECITES”… Then Imam Ibn Kathir says: وقال أبو حنيفة وأحمد بن حنبل: لا يجب على المأموم قراءة أصلاً في السرية ولا الجهرية بما ورد في الحديث «من كان له إمام فقراءته قراءة له» وهذا الحديث رواه الإمام أحمد في مسنده عن جابر مرفوعاً، وهو في موطأ مالك عن وهب بن كيسان عن جابر موقوفاً، وهذا أصح Translation: Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) and Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal (rah) say that Qirat is not binding upon Muqtadi “WHETHER IN SILENT OR LOUD PRAYER” because it has come in hadith that whosoever has an Imam then his recitation is your recitation, this hadith is narrated by Imam Ahmed in his Musnad from Jabir (ra) in the “MARFU FORM” and in Muwatta Imam Malik via the route of Wahb bin Kaysan who narrated from Jabir (ra) in Mawquf form. (Ibn Kathir said) “THIS IS THE MORE CORRECT VIEWPOINT” [Tafsir Ibn Kathir, (1/281) under 7:204] This is really sunni view and this is what i was taught. I begin to see you fake salafi as non-sunnis. You hijacked the salaf. 1 Like |
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