akeensbussy:
akeensbussy:

It means Jesus Christ and his disciples also rob God because I never read any where in the scripture where they either collect tithe or paid.

asuustrike2009:

How can God rob himself? Did Jesus change the law in the first place?

akeensbussy

If Jesus is God and wanted Christians to paid tithe to their pastors, don't u think he would have leave by example by collecting tithe while he himself will also pay tithe in order to show how good and important tithe is?
what do u think?....

asuustrike2009:

The pastor are custodian, stewards of tithes and offering. They make use of the tithes for general administration of the church. Jesus is God,he was there from the beginning of creation that's in the book of revelation it state he's the alpha and omega. He was

asuustrike2009:

The pastor are custodian, stewards of tithes and offering. They make use of the tithes for general administration of the church. Jesus is God,he was there from the beginning of creation that's in the book of revelation it state he's the alpha and omega. He was

akeensbussy:


I believe pastors are also Christian which mean christ-Like that is people who are living Christ standard of life. Why are the pastors now doing the opposite of what Jesus Christ stand for? at least all the disciple lived the Christ-like life and they encourage us to do the same..

Why is it difficult for the pastors to emulate? they prefer to do opposite of what bible said. why?

BluntBoy:


Pastors are not custodians of tithes. Even the Levites were never chosen as custodians. The tithes belonged to them and it was to feed them not to turn them into billionaires. Pastors are not levites and you cannot use the Bible to justify their collecting of tithes. Even Levites today don't collect tithes because there is no temple. Many of them are scattered all over the world.

asuustrike2009:

If pastors are not Levite's as acclaimed and there's no temple what then is a church? How does the church fund it's expenses?. If your justification for saying there's no levite or temple to support your claim on not paying tithes then we shouldn't pay offerings, give alms to the poor and there shouldn't be a church in the first place. It would be unfair to single out tithe alone on the premise of Mosaic law and forget offering after all the Bible doesn't force us to give offerings, help the needy

BluntBoy:


What expenses is the Church funding? Was that why God instituted tithe?

And for your information, Church is different from temple. While temple was a building, the Church is an assembly of believers. How did the Church take care of itself in the New Testament. It was by loving itself. People were selling properties to make sure that no one lacked in the Church. Everyone gave to the extent that there was no needy person among them.

Your church will continue to complain of expenses until they cut down on their excesses.

asuustrike2009:

Now I see were you're coming from. You don't frown at gathering of Christians but frown at those paying tithes and some pastors misusing it. Now let me ask, are you going to serve God or man(if you're a Christian)?
That many pastors are misbehaving doesn't all are like that. The Bible is there to judge pastors for misusing the duty post to milk members. Their judgement is more terrible that they will seek for mercy but wouldn't found it when they cross over to the other side.

BluntBoy:


Bro, you are getting it all wrong. Pastors should never even collect money in the first place. When Paul collected money for the Lord's people, it was the donors that still had to approve of the man through whom the gifts would be sent down to those who needed them. When he mentioned catering for those who labored for others in the Church, he was never referring to administrative cost but to the upkeep of the elders and others who may be slaving for the equipping of the others. The Apostles collected simply for the purpose of meeting the needs of those who lacked. Not to build mighty churches buildings. It was the same reason why God instituted tithe. Tithe was a sort of food program for those who lacked or had no inheritances (Levites, widows, orphans, etc). It was not to beautify the temple or pay salaries for the temple workers. It was simply to feed them with food.

This is not a matter of pastors misbehaving. This a matter of money in the body of Christ (the Church).

BluntBoy:


What expenses is the Church funding? Was that why God instituted tithe?

And for your information, Church is different from temple. While temple was a building, the Church is an assembly of believers. How did the Church take care of itself in the New Testament. It was by loving itself. People were selling properties to make sure that no one lacked in the Church. Everyone gave to the extent that there was no needy person among them.

Your church will continue to complain of expenses until they cut down on their excesses.

asuustrike2009:

Are you ready to sell all your possession like in the days of the apostles?

akeensbussy:


The church as practice today is not the same as obtained in the bible...it is a different ball game entirely....human flesh has taken over and they are taking advantage of whole scenario.

The church is not the building according to bible but the people and they are to gather in their house braking bread together...not building cathedral and mansions....

asuustrike2009:

Pastors are doing what the Bible commands. That many are deviating doesn't mean all are bad.Even among the 12 disciples there was a traitor how much more in our presence time. The Bible is there to tell you who are God's servants or not. Same Bible did say many are called but few are chosen

akeensbussy:


I am yet to see a pastor who follow the true step of Jesus Christ and the Disciples in today Nigeria...they prefer to follow the law of Israel other than the foot step of Christ which indicate Christian.

show me the man of God who is genuinely following Christ foot steps and I will show you a lot mis-step.

akeensbussy:


The church as practice today is not the same as obtained in the bible...it is a different ball game entirely....human flesh has taken over and they are taking advantage of whole scenario.

The church is not the building according to bible but the people and they are to gather in their house braking bread together...not building cathedral and mansions....

asuustrike2009:

Are pastors to follow the footsteps of Jesus or what the Bible says? Does the Bible say they must follow the footsteps of Jesus ?

BluntBoy:


What expenses is the Church funding? Was that why God instituted tithe?

And for your information, Church is different from temple. While temple was a building, the Church is an assembly of believers. How did the Church take care of itself in the New Testament. It was by loving itself. People were selling properties to make sure that no one lacked in the Church. Everyone gave to the extent that there was no needy person among them.

Your church will continue to complain of expenses until they cut down on their excesses.

Emusan:


The simple question is, are you ready to sell all your possessions like the days of Apostles?

Let me even add to the question, have you ever sold or ready to sell your possessions like the days of the apostles?

Now you started writing episode.

petra1:


1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

petra1:


1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

akeensbussy:


so pastors are only the one preaching the gospel? what about choirs, deacons, church members etc..they are not preaching the Gospel? they are to fund the gospel. keep deceiving urself

BluntBoy:


Live by the gospel not get wealthy by the gospel. There are three basic necessities:

Food, shelter and clothing. That was what the ministers should not be denied of.

The ministers of today are wealthy men. They don't need tithes and offerings anymore. They have made themselves stupendously wealthy by the gospel.

petra1:


You’re correct



Firstly is it every minister that is wealty? The one that you call wealthy have you found out the source . Church money is not Pastors money .

Bishop Oyedepo does not collect money from church . His plane was not bought offering . A pastor who give gets . A pastor who bless people get Blessed . I sent a Car gift twice to a pastor who helped me spiritually in the 90s . He’s a genuine man of God who sacrificed for me . He didn’t see it coming . He didn’t have a car . I traced his house and sent the car to him 2 times now. You heard how some members bought pastor Adeboye a jet . You heard how a member in winners built a church with billions as a gift to bishop oyedepo last week .

If a pastor make impact in lives of people . He can’t be forgotten . So if you see a pastor riding a car . Don’t think “here’s goes the offering

BluntBoy:


Then how come millions are still poor. What stops your pastors from rejecting the gifts and telling the givers to give it to the poor instead? The pastors are just greedy, selfish and materialistic. A minister should never like money or the acquisition of properties. Money should mean nothing to a true man of God. These men are businessmen. They are no different from businessmen like Dangote.

petra1:


Anyone who does the work of God on full time bases must be paid . Either it’s choir or instrumentalist , gateman , etc .

Most pastors are volunteers in denominations . But the one that is full time gets support from the ministry

akeensbussy:


So there is full time and half time in the work of God..to tell someone God loves and want you to repent of your sin is now a full time job abi.

maybe for those that are making merchandise of it.

petra1:

You’re correct

Firstly is it every minister that is wealty? The one that you call wealthy have you found out the source . Church money is not Pastors money .

Bishop Oyedepo does not collect money from church . His plane was not bought offering . A pastor who give gets . A pastor who bless people get Blessed . I sent a Car gift twice to a pastor who helped me spiritually in the 90s . He’s a genuine man of God who sacrificed for me . He didn’t see it coming . He didn’t have a car . I traced his house and sent the car to him 2 times now. You heard how some members bought pastor Adeboye a jet . You heard how a member in winners built a church with billions as a gift to bishop oyedepo last week .

If a pastor make impact in lives of people . He can’t be forgotten . So if you see a pastor riding a car . Don’t think “here’s goes the offering

akeensbussy:


lol...so what is the meaning of Christian then..

BluntBoy:


Then how come millions are still poor. What stops your pastors from rejecting the gifts and telling the givers to give it to the poor instead? The pastors are just greedy, selfish and materialistic. A minister should never like money or the acquisition of properties. Money should mean nothing to a true man of God. These men are businessmen. They are no different from businessmen like Dangote.

asuustrike2009:

The Bible made it clear in John 12:8 that there will always be poor among us. Even if bishop oyedepo sells his wealth to help the poor and needy,there will still be poverty. The poor had always being there from beginning

BluntBoy:


Read my post again. If these people are not hoarding up treasures and are giving mightily, poverty rate will reduce.

And, don't take Jesus's word out of its original context. Jesus meant that He would not always be around as He would be taken away from them but that they would still have the poor around them. It was also a call to always remember the poor.