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How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Fekwa(f): 12:04pm On Nov 14, 2017
It really baffles me how any informed, smart thinking person can choose to remain an adherent of the abrahamic religions; Judaism, Christianity and Islam, because when you read their history, especially that of the later two, it becomes patently obvious that these religions weren't dictated by a benovelent force or diety and not only that, there were also strongly influenced by the political structures that existed at the time of their infancy.

On the issue of a deity, I am very open minded about the existence of the supernatural and the possibility of humans being able to interact with entities in other realms or dimensions or whatever term other worlds separate from ours are referred to as. I am inclined to believe that humans have for thousands of years interacted with beings from other realms and they referred to these beings as Gods and for the most part, lots of the beings have been benign going by the numerous relatively peaceful religions that have existed all through time. You can't say the same for Judaism, Islam and of course Christianity which happens to be a direct product of Judiasm.

Judaism is based on the claim that certain individuals of Jewish ancestry fellowshipped and interacted with a deity known as Yahweh and this deity mandated that they abided by his precepts and acknowledged him as the one true God. This deity was also known to instruct them to wage wars against other clans and nations. Now one thing you should be mindful of is the personality of this deity. Its personality is narcissistic, self absorbed and in all essence malevolent. Another quality of this deity is its interest in blood and burnt sacrifices. This in my opinion is the biggest red flag. There are and have been religions whose deities never demanded burnt offerings or blood sacrifices and were never interested in wars and killings of innocents in order to conquer and dominate. What you'd realize is that this quality of interest in blood sacrifices is typical of the deities of most malevolent traditional religions. Eg: the deities in your villages.

Islam is predicated on the claim that a certain man of Arab origin went into a cave to meditate and was met by a certain angel by name Gabriel who was sent by the supposed creator of the universe, by name Allah. And there in the cave he was given the word of God; the Quran. This man took the supposed word of God to his people and hence the religion of Islam was born.
What you'd realize is the incredible degree of similarity between the deity of the Israelites and the deity of the Muslims. Both of them claimed to be the one true God and both of them seemed to have a keen interest in conquering and dominating through bloody wars. But there are some slight differences which I think are noteworthy. The God of the Muslims wasn't interested in blood sacrifices, but seemed to be more interested and more dedicated than the Jewish God in establishing itself as the one true God through submission and expanding this submission throughout the world through conquest. What this suggest is that both deities aren't the same, but share a malevolent and selfconceited personality. Note that these qualities are negative qualities as far as matters of the spiritual is concerned.

Christianity is based on the claim that the God of Judaism sent his son to fulfill a prophesy written in certain portions of the Jewish books. Now, certainly Christianity happens to be the most peaceful of all the three Abrahamic religions but it's also the most controversial. In fact it's the most controversial religion in the history of religion.
The primary claim of Christianity - the claim that a man named Jesus who walked the earth some 2000 years ago was in fact the Messiah that was promised in the Jewish texts is shrouded in a lot of mystery and uncertainty. The claim had been refuted by Jews themselves who disagree on the basis that the man Jesus didn't fulfill most of the prophecies about the messiah that was promised. This claim is reinforced when you notice the reinterpretations done by Christians to reconcile their claims with the prophesies. Also, what really influenced the rise of Christianity wasn't really in it's efficacy or veracity, but as a result of the political support it had, first from Constantine who legalized it 311AD, and then Theodosius 1 who in 380AD instituted it as the official religion of the roman empire and outlawed other religions. There is also the issue of canonization and de-canonization of texts and the arbitrary picking and choosing of doctrines to incorporate into the Bible and the ones to remove by men in political and leadership circles. Then you have the Reformation in the 15th century which was another case of men creating their own doctrines and choosing what to believe and what to discard. Given all this, and given the fact that Christianity is a product of Judaism which like I have explained has a questionable deity, how then can anyone in their right minds be an adherent of Christianity?

If you are someone who is a fan of spirituality and you believe in order to be spiritual you require religion, then there are various religions to pick from. Why does it have to be any of these three? Why does it have to be religions that have been systematic in the deaths of millions of people? Why does it have to be religions that have so irreparably fragmented our societies? I really don't understand.

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Richdotcom: 12:45pm On Nov 14, 2017
I totally understand what you are trying to say.... but in my opinion if you are trying to disapprove a religion base on the fact that the “God” or supreme being they worship could go and have gone to any length in order to protect and prevent his or her people from harm or destruction.... then I think that is a biased way or reasoning.

Let me put a question straight to you, if you are a father and will you rather look away when your children are under attack of any kind or you will do anything possible to protect and preserve your children..... will you rather watch your children Perish?

I can go to any length to protect my son....



2ndly all of these religion you mention aren’t totally bad and violent, it also has good and human loving teachings and I will be glad if you also do your research and mention the good side of it...... look at the good sides and also the “bad” side.





3rd I believe you eat meat which isn’t a bad thing, so what’s wrong if these guys kill animals and offer a burnt offering to their “God” I don’t think there was a time humans were used just animals.... I will like to know how is that a bad thing sir?

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Fekwa(f): 1:17pm On Nov 14, 2017
Richdotcom:
I totally understand what you are trying to say.... but in my opinion if you are trying to disapprove a religion base on the fact that the “God” or supreme being they worship could go and have gone to any length in order to protect and prevent his or her people from harm or destruction.... then I think that is a biased way or reasoning.

No, the war history of the Jews or the Muslims wasn't a case of fighting to protect, they were a case of deliberate conquest to dominate and control. You had people living their lands to wage war against isolated nations in order to conquer on the basis of an instruction from their deity. And history is replete with various instances of this kind of atrocity, both from the camp of Islam and that of Judaism.

My reasoning isn't biased in anyway. I'm just baffled by the fact that the worst religions in terms of their history of barbarity and mayhem seem to have the most followers and no one even bats an eye.

Let me put a question straight to you, if you are a father and will you rather look away when your children are under attack of any kind or you will do anything possible to protect and preserve your children..... will you rather watch your children Perish?

I can go to any length to protect my son....

Again, like I said before, this wasn't a case of defence, it was a case of deliberate conquest. I don't see how this isn't obvious. And to answer your question, these deities claimed to be creators of the entire human race, but yet they picked sides in their revelation and their supposed protection. Allah or Yahweh based on their claims were the fathers or every human, not just a particular group, so what kind of father picks sides during wars and protects some of his children at the expense of others? What kind of father systematically divides his children into waring factions and instructs one to annihilate the other?


2ndly all of these religion you mention aren’t totally bad and violent, it also has good and human loving teachings and I will be glad if you also do your research and mention the good side of it...... look at the good sides and also the “bad” side.

Of course every religion has its good teaching, but my point is that most people tend to ignore the slew of bad and violent histories specific to these religions. And since you like thought experiments, let me present one: If you were looking for a school to enroll your kid in and you had to choose between two schools; both schools were good schools. They had good teachers and they thought moral lessons. But one of the school had a very bad history. A history that included atrocities too bad to mention. Which school would you choose? Would you be wise to choose the school with the bad history?
Would you ignore it's history upon which it was founded.


3rd I believe you eat meat which isn’t a bad thing, so what’s wrong if these guys kill animals and offer a burnt offering to their “God” I don’t think there was a time humans were used just animals.... I will like to know how is that a bad thing sir?

I eat meat because I require the nutrients which the meat provides. The Israelites weren't offering dead meat to their deity because he also needed to eat them for nutritional benefits. No. Their deity required those sacrifices for the same reasons Dibias and Babalawos require sacrifices for their own deities. I am someone who loves knowledge and I have conversed with wiccans, highly spiritual folks and people who are close to shamans about the relevance of blood sacrifices and they all say the same thing - these sacrifices are used to appease beings in other lower dimensions because these beings feast on the essence of the animal that has been sacrificed. They also say that this quality is typical of dark/evil entities.

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Fekwa(f): 3:39pm On Nov 14, 2017
Why isn't anyone else responding?
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by shadeyinka(m): 3:42pm On Nov 14, 2017
Fekwa:
It really baffles me how any informed, smart thinking person can choose to remain an adherent of the abrahamic religions; Judaism, Christianity and Islam, because when you read their history, especially that of the later two, it
I read your post well Ma.However, I think you have been a little unjust in your submissions. It would be nice if these two issues were part of your write up
1. What is/are the ultimate purpose of each of the three Abrahamic religions
2. What is your suggestion(s) of a better religion and their ultimate purposes

I can speak for Christianity whose ultimate purposes are
i. Preparing a beautiful afterlife for the adherents (removal of the sin nature of man)
ii. Loving your neighbour as yourself
iii. Serving God in Preaching, Healing, Deliverance etc.
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Richdotcom: 5:42pm On Nov 14, 2017
Fekwa:


No, the war history of the Jews or the Muslims wasn't a case of fighting to protect, they were a case of deliberate conquest to dominate and control. You had people living their lands to wage war against isolated nations in order to conquer on the basis of an instruction from their deity. And history is replete with various instances of this kind of atrocity, both from the camp of Islam and that of Judaism.

My reasoning isn't biased in anyway. I'm just baffled by the fact that the worst religions in terms of their history of barbarity and mayhem seem to have the most followers and no one even bats an eye.



Again, like I said before, this wasn't a case of defence, it was a case of deliberate conquest. I don't see how this isn't obvious. And to answer your question, these deities claimed to be creators of the entire human race, but yet they picked sides in their revelation and their supposed protection. Allah or Yahweh based on their claims were the fathers or every human, not just a particular group, so what kind of father picks sides during wars and protects some of his children at the expense of others? What kind of father systematically divides his children into waring factions and instructs one to annihilate the other?




Of course every religion has its good teaching, but my point is that most people tend to ignore the slew of bad and violent histories specific to these religions. And since you like thought experiments, let me present one: If you were looking for a school to enroll your kid in and you had to choose between two schools; both schools were good schools. They had good teachers and they thought moral lessons. But one of the school had a very bad history. A history that included atrocities too bad to mention. Which school would you choose? Would you be wise to choose the school with the bad history?
Would you ignore it's history upon which it was founded.




I eat meat because I require the nutrients which the meat provides. The Israelites weren't offering dead meat to their deity because he also needed to eat them for nutritional benefits. No. Their deity required those sacrifices for the same reasons Dibias and Babalawos require sacrifices for their own deities. I am someone who loves knowledge and I have conversed with wiccans, highly spiritual folks and people who are close to shamans about the relevance of blood sacrifices and they all say the same thing - these sacrifices are used to appease beings in other lower dimensions because these beings feast on the essence of the animal that has been sacrificed. They also say that this quality is typical of dark/evil entities.





I have read the Bible and I am currently reading the Quran, I will please ask you to kindly give instances where the Jews went to wars primary to subdue a set of people living peacefully on their own...... I am not arguing I am asking this for learning purposes only.( especially from the Bible)






As for your second paragraph you asked what type of father picks sides in a war.... I can’t explain the action of any diety or God but from my understanding if I have a son that has gone out and against my laws for peaceful and healthy living and he is a member of various armed robber gang... and I have another that is still a good and loyal child, do you think any father will ever want both sons to mix? I for one will definitely warn the good one against being influenced by the bad ones......... and if it comes to a thing of life and death and I can only pick one, logically I will pick the good one.... and I know you will too.......... just my thought tho




From your thought experiment the 2 schools represents 2 religion..... which religion is represented by the good school? Lol just thinking




Blood offered to lower diety? Anybody that told you that is either not well grounded in his or her practice or is obviously trying to sweet talk you..... I am deep into spirituality, and I can tell you that notion right there is false.

Let me tell you what the spiritual realm is like, what applies to the “good” most times applies to the “bad”..... this is what I mean, if the “good” eats yam the “bad” most definitely will eat yam because there are under the same realm that governs the spiritual......

Let me tell you what blood is in the spiritual..... blood is like currency in spiritual realm, it’s like a currency of exchange, in same way “Love” is a currency of exchange..... Because blood is a means of exchange that the reason those blood money guys can invoke money from the spiritual realm when blood has been offered, in same way some people offer blood for some sort of spiritual power!!!


Most ancient religions practices that...... madam don’t be deceived.




But do you believe the spiritual rules the physical?
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by chemystery: 3:18am On Nov 15, 2017
Wonderful writeup !

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by hopefulLandlord: 6:31am On Nov 15, 2017
There's a darkmatter2525 video on the YouTube that gives a detailed explanation on why intelligent people can still be an adherent of the abrahamic faith


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y201QzDdzbg

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Kenerd: 7:03am On Nov 15, 2017
hopefulLandlord:
There's a darkmatter2525 video on the YouTube that gives a detailed explanation on why intelligent people can still be an adherent of the abrahamic faith


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y201QzDdzbg
I thought I was the only Nigerian that followed darkmatter2525..... whoa, for complete Bible commentary, check out Bible reloaded and their Quran reloaded channels. thank me later

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by hopefulLandlord: 8:02am On Nov 15, 2017
Kenerd:
I thought I was the only Nigerian that followed darkmatter2525..... whoa, for complete Bible commentary, check out Bible reloaded and their Quran reloaded channels. thank me later
I'll check them out, thanks
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Kenerd: 8:13am On Nov 15, 2017
hopefulLandlord:

I'll check them out, thanks
if dark matter was a striker, his adjective would be clinical. That guy is just too good.

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by hopefulLandlord: 8:16am On Nov 15, 2017
Kenerd:
if dark matter was a striker, his adjective would be clinical. That guy is just too good.

Honestly, that guy has succeeded in deconverting many religious people; it would be almost impossible for a staunch religionist to watch his videos without having his/her faith shaken to its very foundation

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by MrMystrO(m): 8:27am On Nov 15, 2017
Lovely Write-up. Everything you said up there is worth pondering upon and for the Few intelligent minds out there still trapped in the confines of religion, this will help spark some logical questions in their minds and hopefully, they will follow that search for the truth to eventual emancipation. Thanks for your write-up once again.
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by chemystery: 8:57am On Nov 15, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


Honestly, that guy has succeeded in deconverting many religious people; it would be almost impossible for a staunch religionist to watch his videos without having his/her faith shaken to its very foundation
That guy called darkmatter is a wizard. I have almost all his video downloaded in my phone. My best is "God's Top Ten Life Hack" grin
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Kenerd: 9:25am On Nov 15, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


Honestly, that guy has succeeded in deconverting many religious people; it would be almost impossible for a staunch religionist to watch his videos without having his/her faith shaken to its very foundation
One video he posted about a month or 2 ago "Abuser", I was awestruck. He is very creative, I wonder where he gets his ideas. I never thought of religion that way but it is true, you should check it, few minutes short.
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Kenerd: 9:27am On Nov 15, 2017
chemystery:
That guy called darkmatter is a wizard. I have almost all his video downloaded in my phone. My best is "God's Top Ten Life Hack" grin
lol, me too, my phone was stolen 2 weeks ago I had his videos all over. my favorite is Abuser, Then creation video comedy for atheist, That was when I knew of the fact that god created light before the sun and there was water... it wasn't made.

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Nuhvey(m): 10:31am On Nov 15, 2017
Kenerd:
lol, me too, my phone was stolen 2 weeks ago I had his videos all over. my favorite is Abuser, Then creation video comedy for atheist, That was when I knew of the fact that god created light before the sun and there was water... it wasn't made.
Hmm, hope Jeffrey is in this video(abuser). Really enjoy that character. By d way, y'all heard of cosmicskeptic..?
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Daeylar(f): 11:09am On Nov 15, 2017
Nice thread, fekwa,
Thanks for the video hopefullandlord

I don't believe in anything supernatural at all though.
But maybe these questions will help those who are still stuck under religion

Blackfyre , what do you think about this topic?

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Kenerd: 11:13am On Nov 15, 2017
Nuhvey:

Hmm, hope Jeffrey is in this video(abuser). Really enjoy that character. By d way, y'all heard of cosmicskeptic..?
comicskeptic- A YouTube channel? The video (Abuser) is not under comedy playlist, I think it's under serious videos or something, It's not comedy.
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Nobody: 11:41am On Nov 15, 2017
An excellent write-up you've put up there, Fekwa. I completely agree with your points.

But for the sake of preserving facts, given how SACRED they are, I can't help but point out the bit of incorrect statement in your write-up. Maybe Christianity is more peaceful than the rest of the Abrahamic religions in THE PRESENT DAY (although, that's due to no effort of Christianity, but due to circumstances and situations beyond its control, as I'll demonstrate shortly), it remains, not only historically the most violent, wicked, evil, and heartless of the three, but also the most violent and despicable religion in history!

Islam has never, at any point in its history, come close to Christian evil, devilry and madness. The church in medieval times was a lunatic asylum and the home of human demons. There's nothing Islam has done throughout its history, or in the current day, that is close or has surpassed half of the havoc wrecked by Christianity and the atrocities this religion of the "devil" has made men commit.

The reason why you have a peaceful Christianity today is because of the Black Death, the Italian Renaisance, the Protestant Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, and the subsequent Rise of Napoleon, all of which weakened Christian authority and destroyed its power in the continent of Europe. THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY CHRISTIANITY BECAME SANE.

Islam, on the other hand, has never, at any point of its history, experienced any such enlightenment, hence why it remains more savage and backward (although, it was once close to breaking free from retardation during the so-called "Islamic Golden Age" - when Caliphs came into contact with the Byzantine Empire, and learned how to think straight from the writings of the ancient Greeks. But that progress was shortlived).

However, Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity, so we should give it some credit. In five centuries time (it might not even take that long), Islam would be nominally dead in the Muslim world (like Christianity now is in modern Europe---it's just a Zombie).

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Fekwa(f): 11:53am On Nov 15, 2017
ZandhaZaraZ:
An excellent write-up you've put up there, Fekwa. I completely agree with your points.

But for the sake of preserving facts, given how SACRED they are, I can't help but point out the bit of incorrect statement in your write-up. Maybe Christianity is more peaceful than the rest of the Abrahamic religions in THE PRESENT DAY (although, that's due to no effort of Christianity, but due to circumstances and situations beyond its control, as I'll demonstrate shortly). it remains, not only historically the most violent, wicked, evil, and heartless of the three, but also the most violent and despicable religion in history!

Islam has never, at any point in its history, come close to Christian evil, devilry and madness. The church in medieval times was a lunatic asylum and the home of human demons. There's nothing Islam has done throughout its history, or in the current day, that is close or has surpassed half of the havoc wrecked by Christianity and the atrocities this religion of the "devil" has made men commit.

The reason why you have a peaceful Christianity today is because of the Black Death, the Italian Renaisance, the Protestant Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, and the subsequent Rise of Napoleon, all of which weakened Christian authority and destroyed its power in the continent of Europe. THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY CHRISTIANITY BECAME SANE.

Islam, on the other hand, has never, at any point of its history, experienced any such enlightenment, hence why it remains more savage and backward (although, it was once close to breaking free from retardation during the so-called "Islamic Golden Age" - when Caliphs came into contact with the Byzantine Empire, and learned how to think straight from the writings of the ancient Greeks. But that progress was shortlived).

However, Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity, so we should give it some credit. In five centuries time (it might not even take that long), Islam would be nominally dead in the Muslim world (like Christianity now is in modern Europe---it's just a Zombie).

Do you mind throwing more light on the bolded, and cite historical facts as well, because I think you might be exaggerating a bit.
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Nobody: 11:54am On Nov 15, 2017
Daeylar:
Nice thread, fekwa,
Thanks for the video hopefullandlord

I don't believe in anything supernatural at all though.
But maybe these questions will help those who are still stuck under religion

Blackfyre , what do you think about this topic?

If am.not mistaken her grudge is that the Christian takes delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices of blood.

For the burnt offering, God doesn't really care for it and frankly speaking it's useless to him. The idea behind burnt offerings is the heart at which you give to him and the choosing of whatever you want to sacrifice.

Look at Cain and Abel, Abel's sacrifice was accepted because he chose the best fruit to offer to God and Cain chose what he could comfortably do away it. The idea is the heart at which you give to him, which is still applicable even till today. A man who drops a million grudgingly or with a dirty hand is not going to be accepted by God compared to a man who drops 100 naria with all the cheerfulness in his heart and his hands are clean. Sadly most churches of these days have bastardized everything.

To the blood part, there is power in the blood. Blood itself is life. To the ones that were slain, they first slew the first sons which was what led to Moses escaping and the other time they did it at Jesus birth. As God says, he is the God of vengeance so no one should take laws into their own hands that was how he came to repay the Egyptians at the final plague where he let the isrealites go.

By the new testament, burnt offerings and sacrifices of such were canceled by the coming of Jesus so that by his blood our sins are forgiven and that we now live by grace and not by law as the old times. If were to live by law hardly will anyone have anything to sacrifice at the end of the day and a lot of people will perish.


To those who choose to manipulate Christianity for their own agenda, that is inevitable. It is left for those who want to follow Christ to read the scriptures and with their own discerning mind and faith do what is required of them. I believe it's in the bible that the day of judgment shall begin from the church itself, which is to foretell that there wil be corruption of God's word and commands even from the church itself. At one point Jesus said, many will call on his name, even cast demons using his name but on that day he will not recognize them as his own. Why? Because the believe in God rests in the heart not in what the world see you fo or say. He also warned that those who think they are standing firmly in Christ should beware lest they fall. Point being, no one can claim to be perfect but till the kingdom of God comes we should continually seek to improve ourselves in God.

Lastly to the comparison between Christianity and traditional worshippers. The latter is know to take human sacrifices, do evil biddings which Christianity doesn't stand. Today, is all about your belief and acceptance of Christ.
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by CAPSLOCKED: 11:58am On Nov 15, 2017

IF YOU DESTROY ALL THE FORMS OF RELIGION & SCIENCE IN THE WORLD TODAY, COME 1,000 YEARS LATER, THERE WILL BE NEW RELIGIONS, DIFFERENT FROM THE ONES CURRENTLY EXISTING.

IT'S IN MAN'S NATURE TO WANT TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING, AND RELIGION IS HERE, MAKING SURE THE HOLLOW IS KEPT FILLED.

YOU CAN NEVER TAKE THAT AWAY.

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Daeylar(f): 12:06pm On Nov 15, 2017
Blackfyre:


If am.not mistaken her grudge is that the Christian takes delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices of blood.

For the burnt offering, God doesn't really care for it and frankly speaking it's useless to him. The idea behind burnt offerings is the heart at which you give to him and the choosing of whatever you want to sacrifice.

Look at Cain and Abel, Abel's sacrifice was accepted because he chose the best fruit to offer to God and Cain chose what he could comfortably do away it. The idea is the heart at which you give to him, which is still applicable even till today. A man who drops a million grudgingly or with a dirty hand is not going to be accepted by God compared to a man who drops 100 naria with all the cheerfulness in his heart and his hands are clean. Sadly most churches of these days have bastardized everything.

To the blood part, there is power in the blood. Blood itself is life. To the ones that were slain, they first slew the first sons which was what led to Moses escaping and the other time they did it at Jesus birth. As God says, he is the God of vengeance so no one should take laws into their own hands that was how he came to repay the Egyptians at the final plague where he let the isrealites go.

By the new testament, burnt offerings and sacrifices of such were canceled by the coming of Jesus so that by his blood our sins are forgiven and that we now live by grace and not by law as the old times. If were to live by law hardly will anyone have anything to sacrifice at the end of the day and a lot of people will perish.


To those who choose to manipulate Christianity for their own agenda, that is inevitable. It is left for those who want to follow Christ to read the scriptures and with their own discerning mind and faith do what is required of them. I believe it's in the bible that the day of judgment shall begin from the church itself, which is to foretell that there wil be corruption of God's word and commands even from the church itself. At one point Jesus said, many will call on his name, even cast demons using his name but on that day he will not recognize them as his own. Why? Because the believe in God rests in the heart not in what the world see you fo or say. He also warned that those who think they are standing firmly in Christ should beware lest they fall. Point being, no one can claim to be perfect but till the kingdom of God comes we should continually seek to improve ourselves in God.

Lastly to the comparison between Christianity and traditional worshippers. The latter is know to take human sacrifices, do evil biddings which Christianity doesn't stand. Today, is all about your belief and acceptance of Christ.



Cc fekwa
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Nobody: 1:07pm On Nov 15, 2017
Fekwa:


Do you mind throwing more light on the bolded, and cite historical facts as well, because I think you might be exaggerating a bit.
Lol. Seriously? Are you kidding me? There are too many instances to prove this that I don't even know where to start. grin

Okei.

Is it the manner in which these sadists in the uniform of Christ terrorised and brutalized a continent and then exported that terror to the four corners of the globe that I should talk about? Is it the torture heretics were made to suffer, the torment and terror? The garrotting? The choking? The burnings? The strangulations? The mutilation? Laceration? Incarceration? Slow and agonizing deaths?

The burning, mutilation, and extermination of Jewish populations?

Thousands of heretics were horribly burned at the stake.

Millions died in nine catastrophic crusades of Christians against the Turks.

The massacres of the Lutherans and Papists.

The massacres in Ireland, England, and Scotland.

The massacre of millions of the inhabitants of the new world.

The massacres in France, lasting many years.

The numerous cataclysmic upheavals sparked by the innumerable schisms between Christians---popes against popes, bishops against bishops, sects against sects.

The slave trade by White Anglo Saxon PROTESTANTS.

The list might as well be endless.

I repeat: Islam hasn't surpassed the crimes committed, or committed half as much atrocities committed, by Christian Europe.

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Fekwa(f): 1:24pm On Nov 15, 2017
ZandhaZaraZ:
Lol. Seriously? Are you kidding me? There are too much instances to prove this that I don't even know where to start. grin

Okei.

Is it the manner in which these sadists in the uniform of Christ terrorised and brutalized a continent and then exported that terror to the four corners of the globe that I should talk about? Is it the torture heretics were made to suffer, the torment and terror? The garrotting? The choking? The burnings? The strangulations? The mutilation? Laceration? Incarceration? Slow and agonizing deaths?

The burning, mutilation, and extermination of Jewish populations?

Thousands of heretics were horribly burned at the stake.

Millions died in nine catastrophic crusades of Christians against the Turks.

The massacres of the Lutherans and Papists.

The massacres in Ireland, England, and Scotland.

The massacre of millions of the inhabitants of the new world.

The massacres in France, lasting many years.

The numerous cataclysmic upheaveals sparked by the innumerable schisms between Christians---popes against popes, bishops against bishops, sects against sects.

The slave trade by White Anglo Saxon Protestants.

The list might as well be endless.

I repeat: Islam hasn't surpassed the crimes committed, or committed half as much atrocities committed, by Christian Europe.

Thank you for elaborating. This just reinforces my primary argument. wink
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Nobody: 1:32pm On Nov 15, 2017
Fekwa:


Thank you for elaborating. This just reinforces my primary argument. wink
You're welcome. smiley

Of course, I agree with your write-up. I was pointing out that Christianity being peaceful today wasn't of its own doing, but because of circumstances that weakened its authority in European States and destroyed its power forever (the Black Death, the Italian Renaisance, the Protestant Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, the Napeolonic Spread of the values of the Revolution throughout most of Europe). Christianity in the modern age is effectively dead, and has exhausted its energy (well, except in the shitholes of Africa). It wasn't always peaceful. Most people are now hippies and liberals, and Christians in all but name.

Are you Nigerian?

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Nobody: 1:41pm On Nov 15, 2017
ZandhaZaraZ:
You're welcome. smiley

Of course, I agree with your write-up. I was pointing out that Christianity being peaceful today wasn't of its own doing, but because of circumstances that weakened its authority in European States and destroyed its power forever (the Black Death, the Italian Renaisance, the Protestant Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, the Napeolonic Spread of the values of the Revolution throughout most of Europe). Christianity in the modern age is effectively dead, and has exhausted its energy (well, except in the shitholes of Africa). It wasn't always peaceful. Most people are now hippies and liberals, and Christians in all but name.

Are you Nigerian?


Haba, you try well well..


@ but because of circumstances that weakened its authority in European States and destroyed its power forever

You have chronic hatred you need to deal with i swear
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by Nobody: 1:54pm On Nov 15, 2017
Jupxter:



Haba, you try well well..


@ but because of circumstances that weakened its authority in European States and destroyed its power forever

You have chronic hatred you need to deal with i swear
Hatred? Where did you see that? shocked

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Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by dalaman: 2:05pm On Nov 15, 2017
HopefulLandlord pls I need your help.
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by hopefulLandlord: 2:09pm On Nov 15, 2017
dalaman:
HopefulLandlord pls I need your help.

tell me
Re: How Can Any Intelligent Person Be An Adherent Of Any Of The Abrahamic Religions? by dalaman: 2:13pm On Nov 15, 2017
hopefulLandlord:


tell me

Ok, I have this young atheist friend that I always send youtube videos to, but he always says he can't watch them cos he's a student and doesn't always have data.

I remember seeing you explain to someone how to go about watching downloaded youtube videos sometime back. I didn't pay much attention to it then cos he didn't complain to me then. Pls can you help me with now?

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