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Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Konquest: 11:03pm On Nov 26, 2017 |
greatjoey:^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ Absolutely profound post! I got to know about Eri and Igalas for the first time in a 1991 magazine called ROOTS. You can read my post directly above on what I read in the magazine. So were the Ibos the original owners of Idah? What year did this conquest by Abutu-eje occur? Thanks again @Greatjoey for your fantastic response! 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Konquest: 11:21pm On Nov 26, 2017 |
Olu317:^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ @Olu317 Thanks for the insightful response you posted here. You made very profound submissions which indicate that there are more ties that bind us together. I've also always wondered about how some ethnicities wear their caps or Gobi like the Yoruba's who are more clearly identified or defined with it. Ebiras, Igalas, Jukuns, Idomas, Gwaris, Tivs, Eggons, etc, all bend their caps like the Yoruba men do to their "gobi." Finally, is there any specific community you can site that has Igala assimilation in Yorubaland? Could this be in Kogi/Kwara/Ondo axis? Thanks again. |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Konquest: 11:34pm On Nov 26, 2017 |
greatjoey:^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ Absolutely Brilliant! |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by macof(m): 12:03am On Nov 27, 2017 |
IgalaSchool: see yoruba-ish oozing off of these words more research should be done on the early History of Igala(before the Jukun connection), Yoruba and Igala were definitely a single Ethnicity some time ago. 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by macof(m): 12:13am On Nov 27, 2017 |
excanny:Itsekiri is a dialect of Yoruba sef, a dialect similar to Ijebu and Ilaje. 2 Likes |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by musicwriter(m): 12:37am On Nov 27, 2017 |
IgalaSchool: Keep it up bro!. Its very important you write with the right Igala characters, not English characters. We developed this Igbo keyboard and its still in the works. See whether it could help https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.techre.custom.igbokey&hl=en |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by mrdipye(m): 1:20am On Nov 27, 2017 |
@Igalaschool ojo ki denyo we todu eju ebi kidei. |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by bettyLad(f): 1:33am On Nov 27, 2017 |
happy to see this post .I never knew we have lots of igalas as narialander ..I'm proudly igala from ogugu |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by bettyLad(f): 1:38am On Nov 27, 2017 |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by 9jakool: 5:25am On Nov 27, 2017 |
greatjoey:I've heard of the connection with Jukun. If you don't mind me asking, why is Yoruba the closest language to Igala? 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by greatjoey: 7:42am On Nov 27, 2017 |
9jakool:Yea, note that the relationship with the Jukum was not that they share the same ancestry but they cohabited. The close relationship in yoruba and Igala language was borne out of business interaction between them. You know, Igala had a stone market across the river Niger, called 'Ajaokuta' where many tribes marchant would come from far and near to buy. Besides, the major occupation of the Igala in the time past was blacksmithing. Igala made arrow heads, spear, iron trap etc. This made therm famous then and the Yorubas who were the closest customers would come and buy. You know, then transportation was by foot. The Yoruba would come and spend days, weeks or even months for the transaction. This brought about close interaction between them and others hence the languages closeness. 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by greatjoey: 7:53am On Nov 27, 2017 |
Konquest:Yes, Ibos are the original owners of Ida in that context. But by extension, both Igala and the Ibos are one and the same people. If not for the present change in language due to time, they spoke one language which I cannot mention now. I am sure it was neither Igbo nor Igala but the language spoken by Eri, their father who migrated from the middle east. The arrival of Abutu-eje to Ida was around the 7th century. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by 9jakool: 8:24am On Nov 27, 2017 |
greatjoey:I don't quite understand. Are you suggesting that Igala and Yoruba shared a common linguistic ancestor or that the two languages similarity a result of trade or a combination of both? |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by greatjoey: 8:42am On Nov 27, 2017 |
9jakool:The similitude of the two language was brought about by trade interaction that existed between the two independent languages. U know, language is dynamic and evolutional. |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by greatjoey: 8:53am On Nov 27, 2017 |
9jakool:If one must talk about ancestry of two or more languages, yo don't consider the language solely. The major consideration is the culture and tradition. The Yorubas shares no cultural affinity with the igalas. Tribe like Idomas has 99.9% cultural practice with the Igala, The Igbo of Nsuka an its environs has over 75% cultural affinity with us too. From this you can make an inference that these are but one people. 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by DatYORUBAdBoi(m): 10:26am On Nov 27, 2017 |
I asked my mum nd she said 'Ebie' means something dats nt good while something dats good is 'Bie'....some may say m'ebie ofe e da mor...so automatically, wat comes frm yur 'ofe' isn't good Hope i helped? |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by DatYORUBAdBoi(m): 10:30am On Nov 27, 2017 |
Queenlovely: I asked my mum nd she said 'Ebie' means something dats nt good while something dats good is 'Bie'....some may say m'ebie ofe e da mor...so automatically, wat comes frm yur 'ofe' isn't good Hope i helped? |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Godsbaby95(f): 3:26pm On Nov 27, 2017 |
Wow this is a very welcome idea but how do we know the pronunciations? I'm proud to be IGALA but I know very little about my language and culture. Keep it up please don't stop. I'm from Dekina LGA, Egume village. UnekuOjo Ataboh |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by scholes0(m): 3:51pm On Nov 27, 2017 |
9jakool: I don't understand too How can simple trade interraction bring about a conplete change/overhaul in the entire language of a whole group of people? lol A Yoruba man wil say ‘wa’ for come and ‘lo’ for go and an Igala man will do the same, and both will speak with similar intonations because of just ... “Trade” at one tiny market in Ajaokuta? Igalas have been intereacting with Igbos for centuries now as well, why haven’t their language changed into Igbo? No one will buy that. The truth is that Yorubas and Igalas are the same ancestral stock. I don’t want to go as far as saying they migrated from very early Yorubaland, so I’ll jusy leave it at that. This earlier oneness was far back enough that it was before the formation of the current Igala world view. I would even poatulate that Igalas and Yorubas were contiguous until Ebiras migrated from Kwararafa and settled in befween them. They, being the actual people who came from Jukuns and NOT the Igalas who only had one or two things to do with jukuns mostly interractional and not by descent. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Otapipia: 4:27pm On Nov 27, 2017 |
IgalaSchool:40 is Ogbo Meji 100 is Ogbo Melu |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Olu317(m): 6:58pm On Nov 27, 2017 |
Konquest:IGALA are also known as IDOKO or AGATU by Yoruba groups, depending on the location within Yoruba land. These people had existed in some areas before the Yoruba people came into contact with them. And they are peaceful people within Yoruba enclave, which was the reason it was easy to assimilate and intermarried to some Yoruba stock. On your question, it is difficult to identify those of them who had married into Yoruba groups but can be identified if deep and thorough research is done. Although ,in the olden days time, Yoruba people were very industrious and well to do. The ones that aren't married into Yoruba groups can still be found in the areas you mentioned. The 60% + Yoruboid classification was as a result of these interaction which has lasted over 400 years contact with Yoruba group. ADO Ekiti's account , ONDO Town's account (ÉKIMOGUN) etc showed that they had contact with IGALA group. All the groups even more like Kanuri, Fulani etc you highlighted had contact with Yoruba. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by klebson(m): 8:24pm On Nov 27, 2017 |
IgalaSchool: Agba oo! Ojo ki buwa ne |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Houstency(m): 10:40pm On Nov 27, 2017 |
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Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Konquest: 5:12am On Nov 28, 2017 |
Olu317:^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ Beautiful... Brilliant! @Olu317 I'd like to know if you are a Professional Historian in the mould of Prof. Jide Osuntokun for you to have gotten access to these timeless Info that you won't find easily in the history books? I read on another international forum in 2009 that a National Archive exists in Ibadan where rare documents can be found. You are well-read and widely travelled. All the best. |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Olu317(m): 5:48am On Nov 28, 2017 |
Konquest:Hostorian?Yes but not in the like of Prof. Osuntokun because what they look differs from what I researched and still researching . Most of the times, historians of Yoruba extraction don't believe Yorubas are migrants and the ones who believed were not too bold to look at certain tradition which seem not found within the radius of Yoruba neighbourhood to affirm their migration history and they don't do interviews with most people of Yorubas, especially Oooni descendants wherever they are located to hear their own account of their ancestors history but restrict certain information seeking to ILE IFE .This is because people moved into ILE IFE and some still move out through same migration to new places. Perhaps funding could be a problem. Hidden information about Yoruba are been let out gradually despite interactions with each group Yoruba had contact with.... However, I appreciate all these historians because without their effort some more research wouldn't have been done. Take for instance, Samuel Ajayi Crowther's account that blundered and narrated OONI as OWOONI (A supposedly adopted child of Odu'a who takes care of Odu'a shrine) Who does not exist because OBADIO lineage are the ones that are the keeper of Ooni Admlia or Adimunia shrine . Even the so called OGBONI wasn't of Odu'a formation. There are hidden information that would have created more problems about Yoruba society until it was rebranded to be accepted by all. This is the reason OGBONI is under any OBA in his domain and the OBA remain as the head. In Yoruba land,there are different people that became woven into one but the main stock of these people are of Odu'a group. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Konquest: 7:19am On Nov 28, 2017 |
Olu317:^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ @Olu317 Oh thanks for emphasising this fact about immigration and emigration from Ile-Ife. The Yoruba for instance are an amalgamation of different peoples who merged with autochtonous communities. Prof. Jide Osuntokun's write ups emphasized the fact that Odua dynasty was a foreign one that merged with the autochtonous people. It was the rise of a new dynasty.He said there were people in multiple locations in Akure/Ife axis in Yorubaland before the arrival of Oduduwa. It is worth finding out more. There were even several Obas who ruled in Ife before Oduduwa Dynasty came - based on what I have studied going back to several years now. The British monarchy led by Queen Elizabeth too is a of a foreign origin from Germany. King George 1 how is Queen Elizabeth's direct ancestor could not even speak good English when he arrived from his country to assume the kingship of England. My gut feeling tells me you are vast in first-hand issues that have to do with the esoteric mysteries of Ile-Ife... If you go to page 1 of this thread, you will see where I indicated that I read a magazine titled: ROOTS in 1991 which emphasized that some places and personalities in Ife have names of IGALA origin. The article gave the impression that Oduduwa was from Igala land as well. Oloja[Onoja] and some other names were published which I can't recall right now but I will share them with you when I check my archival materials. Even the controversy involving whether Odudu duwa came from the Bini area can be solved via DNA tests such as AfricanAncestry.com or DNALand.com which are very accurate in identifying ethnic origins of African-Americans. Several people traced their origins to Yorubaland, Ashanti, Quincy Jones for instance has a paternal ancestry to the Tikar ethnic group in the Bamenda Region of Cameroon. Thank you and wish you a great day ahead! 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Konquest: 7:32am On Nov 28, 2017 |
greatjoey:^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ @Greatjoey Great submission! But then in the interview that the Attah of Igala granted to Saturday Punch of 26th August 2017, he said the significant migrants from Wukari [Jukun] merged in IDAH with a significant group of Yorubas and Bini, and the a small group of IBO to form what is NOW IGALA people and language. It gives food for thought! 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by greatjoey: 8:32am On Nov 28, 2017 |
Konquest:I understand you my brother. But you must also note that the Atah being a human is not infallible. You will agree with me that there was no how two independent languages that would live together in a small and single community In the pas but spoke different languages. It would either be Igbo or Yoruba. You would also realise that the Yorubas had never lived anywhere close to Igala geographically. Talking about other smaller group if people who migrated from Wukari alongside, you mention the Idoma (Agatu), the the Ebira, the Aho in Nasarawa, the Etilo in Benue, the Ankwai in Shendan local government area in plateau state, Parts of Nupe etc. Ata Igala was the king who ruled all these tribes until the coming of the British. The British and the Hausas saw that the Atah was so powerful and had to politically made these other tribes realise the need of self determination. They made them see that they could stay on their own. The Hausas having heard the fame and strength of the Ata Igala, waged a war against the Igala kingdom. The war was led by Queen Amina who was a powerful warrior. Having conquered and subjugated the entire core north. But she was killed and buried at Igala kingdom. The grave is there till date. Concerning the Bini (Benin), Atah Ayegba invaded them and conquered. What you see round the neck of Atah Igala till date was seized from the Oba of Bini when he was captured and beheaded. As a sign of conquest, the warriors brought it to Atah and since then, it becomes his. We call it 'Eju b'eju ailo'. So, the Binis were actually Igala neighbour. Until, early 60s, all the tribes I mentioned had to receive and have their chiefs crowned by Ata Igala as Ata was the only king In the region. The various chiefs would have to pay homage to him. This extended down to Asaba, Onitcha and Nsuka too. Thanks. 1 Like |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Alhkerimu(m): 12:13pm On Nov 28, 2017 |
Houstency:òmi chi dekina |
Re: I Want To Learn Igala Language, Get In Here. by Olu317(m): 8:28pm On Nov 28, 2017 |
Konquest:The people Yoruba met were the Idoko people, the Ika people, Tapa or Nupe etc that Yoruba had to war against some at one time or the other. And yeah, Odu'a and his group migrated but not in the form some people might think he stumbled upon a people. There were migrations of people seeking access to water and all that. But his story was different because he came as an emissary. The first hand story in the ancient version was that he was an emissary from the East. And no one can come as an emissary except there were a higher authority that sent him. And being an emissary, he identified himself as a prince. Either true or lie,there are certain aspects of the man's tradition that support him as not being linked to any group in Africa. Now, which of the East did he come from? The Eastern part of the present day Nigeria? No, because there is no tradition of Eastern Nigeria people using ram as sacrifice. Was he from the so called Eastern part Yoruba people known as IDU?No, because Ogiso ancestors didn't use Ram as sacrifice. Was he from Eastern part of Africa? No, because no tradition was linked to any group in East Africa using Ram as sacrifice. Admilia From IDOKO cum Present day IGALA? No, because none of their tradition showed any link of using Ram as sacrifice. Was Odu'a from Egypt? No, because Egyptian Ra was identified with Ram and was worshiped .Ram in ancient Egypt was equated to god. From the proper Middle East, who were the ones associated with the use of Ram as a sacrifice? Two groups. The Arabs that were turned to Islamic members over 1500+ years ago and Abraham descendants of Hebrews uses Ram. Was Odu'a an Arab man? No, because patterned usage of Ram as sacrifice was different from the ones used by Islam. In Islam, the ritual of sacrificing Ram is done annually. Unlike Odu'a descendant, that such sacrifice is done on behalf of a male child so that the ram is used as a sacrifice for an exchange of life between the two. I know this tradition very well. If anyone has information on such tradition ,come showcase your findings. In the account of IFE kings, according to Akinjogbin, in which there were identified 46 kings list from the Ikedu oral list. These kings are not traceable in present day ILE IFE.So therefore, the story is deeper than what people think or emotional about. The truth is that Yoruba history didn't start in Nigeria. Like I said, let anyone who has studied other tradition in Nigeria or any part of Africa that find such tradition that Link using of Ram as sacrifice. |
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